to the following is an interview with the president of russia. vladimir putin shot february 6th, 2024, and about 7 pm in the building behind us, which is of course, the kremlin. the interview. as you will see, if you watch it is primarily about the war and progress, the war and ukraine, how it started, what's happening, and most presently, how it might. yeah. one note, before you watch at the beginning of the interview, we asked the most obvious question, which is, why did you do this? did you feel a threat and imminent physical threat? and that's your justification. and the answer we got shocked us. putting one on for a very long time, probably half an hour about the history of russia going back to the 8th century. and honestly, we thought this was a filibustering technique and found it annoying, interrupted him several times and he responded. he was annoyed by the interruption, but we concluded in the end for what it's worth that it was not a filibustering technique. there was no time limit on the interview. we ended it after more than 2 hours. instead, what you're about to see seemed to us sincere,

would you agree with it or not? vladimir putting believes that russia has a historic claim to parts of western ukraine. so our opinion would be to view it in that light as a sincere expression of what he thinks and with that. here it is. miss president. thank you. on february 22nd 2022, you addressed your country and a nationwide address when the conflict in ukraine started. and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the united states through nato might initiate a quote, surprise attack on our country into american years. that sounds paranoid. tell us why you believe the united states might break russia out into blue. how did you conclude that to do and you've talked to me because if it's not, that's america i'm to united states was going to launch of surprises, franklin, russia. i didn't say that even though, are we having a talk show or

a serious conversation? here's the quote. thank you. it's a formidable degree. that's kind of what it should just let him know. no, that's cool. cool. was bus as well, but because your basic education isn't history as far as i understand. yes. yes, very possible. it's a bit. so if you don't mind to, i will take only 30 seconds or one minutes to give you a short to reference to history for giving you a little historical background, please. of some of the agent shortly. let's look where our relationship with ukraine started from. where did ukraine come from? a he's good. this is that's the story directions. state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood with them know something that a he's considered and it is considered to be the year of the stablish event of the russian state of the in $862.00. and i see it was just telling me that when the sales people of know girls invited a wrong in prince rick from scandinavia to reign by young wisdom. so just as

difficult, especially with himself in 1862 russia celebrated in 1000 anniversary of its statehood. so it was the last name is steven over and the number of there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000 ever survey of the country in washington, 70882 rig successor brings old legs who was actually playing the role of regent. and that's for weeks young son, best suited to from the digging because really had died by that time came to key and got them with him. issue of keith. and that's thing a lot to list you do, but i think he else the 2 brothers who apparently had seen the new ones, been members of rubik squad in yeah, lots in scheme. so russia begun to develop with 2 centers of power. you have enough girl. the shooting was much room and that there was to the next very significant date, and the history of russia was 988. what do you mean?

this was the baptism of russia when rinse lot of miracle, the great grandson of real rig baptized the russia and adopted orthodoxy for eastern christianity some 30 years ago. and that i, she's getting this from this time, the centralized, the russian state begun to strengthen the latest. why? because of the single territory integrate that economic size, do music one and the same language. and after the baptism of russia, the same faith and rule of the prince, the centralized, the russian state begin to take shape. but i see this with us back in the middle ages. prince ers loved the wise introduce the quarter of succession, to a trone and virginia, but still in the city. but after he passed away, it became complicated for various reasons. if you could afford, you push the corner for luxury central and was fast, not directly from father to eldest son, but from the prince section,

who had passed away to his brother who should exempt to his sons in different lines from some the yeah, but i mean you should the peer look at all this, let the fragmentation and the end of bruce as a single state people because little business, there was nothing special about it and the same was happening then in europe, not that was appropriate in the scandal. so that starts to locate the g, the but the fragmented russian stays became an easy prey to the inspire created earlier banking is hon. com, but the safety knows as his successors, namely, but the con came to roost, plunder than roy. nearly all the cities. southern parts including key if, by the way and some other cities are simply lost independence. well northern cities preserved some of their sovereignty. what are the majestic when you get this? i think they have to pay tribute to the hoard, but they manage to preserve some parts of their sovereignty quality and that a,

he's getting some and then a unified russian state and begun to take shape with his center in moscow. i don't much was the, the southern part, the russian lands, including key. if the simple cut, the school began to gradually gravitate towards another magnus to the center that was emerging in europe. it wasn't from the little scope. this was the grand duchy of lithuania. so there isn't that you didn't like it was even called dillard wait in russian. dutchy, because the russians were a significant part of this population. they spoke the old russian language and where for to box, you mean when you do you notice the results? but then there was a unification. the union of the grand duchy over to a near and the kingdom of poland was the home we see a few years later, another union was signed and which in use less, but this time already in the religious fear. you remember what that gives you some of the orthodox priest games of origin as to the pope. thus, these lands became part of the day before which looked waning states upon the at

you and you have to choose to. the easiest thing is that it's just during decades, the polls were engaged in the whole and is ation of this part of the population. usually they introduced a language there. try to in terms of the idea that there's lots relation was not exactly russians not today because they lived on the fringe. they were ukrainians and you might. so originally the word ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state along the fringes. or was engaged in the border patrol service. it didn't mean any particular ethnic group. i think it's interesting. so the polls were trying to the cities in every possible way to apologize this part of the russian lands and actually treated it rather personally, not to say fluently. all that led to the fact that this part of the russian lands begun to struggle for the rights beside the people they wrote letters to or solve

demanding that their rights to be observed. and people be commissioned here including took the big pardon. can you tell us what period i'm losing track and where in history we are the publish impression of utilizing the book. it wasn't the 13th century. i just didn't know what i did not send it it's. it's a book to not see much it, you know, i will tell you what happens later. machine is not testable. you're looking and give the dates so that there is no confusion of the future. so to, and then 1654, even a bit earlier to, to ensure that, you know, uh, as soon as it goes to continue, it will, it will let people who were in control of the doors the home or that part of the russian lance, the base letting him know address for so i repeat this demanding that they sent them to rulers of a russian origin and orthodox space. but in warsaw did not answer them. and in

fact, rejected their demands. they turned to moscow so that moscow took them away still, but yeah, when you do me extension to put them on them so that you don't think that i'm inventing things i'll give you these documents as well. i, i, it doesn't sound like you're inventing it, but i'm not sure why it's relevant to what have you. you know, if she'll take it, let's do the commit these that a few weeks on documents from the archives copies. just be some, nobody down here, the letters from bogged down from the landscape and tell your west with a good man who then controlled them are in this part of the russian lance. what show you that is now called ukraine, up was he wrote to warsaw demanding that they rides be upheld, probably be good enough to being refused. he begun to write letters to moscow masking to take them under the strong hand of the moscow sar. there are copies of these documents. i will leave them for you. a good memory. there is

a translation into a russian. this electrical translated into english later, almost russia would not agree to admit them straight away. assuming that the war with bolen was started, never the less, in 1654, the fun russian assembly of the top clergy and landowners headed by the sar. just giving you to see if you knew me well, which was the representative body of the power of the old russian states decided to include the parts of the old russian lands and to moscow kingdom nibbles. as expected. the word with poland began bidding. it lasted 13 years and then in 1654 from or drop a truce was concluded. splish, yes, name is good. and 32 years later, i think a peace treaty with poland, which they called internal peace was assigned at the for crossing. and these lands, the whole left bank of neighbor, including key of went to russia,

is that you will remember and the whole right bank of nape or remain and to see stage 2 under the rule of kathrina, the great russia reclaims all of its historical lands, including in the south and west the, with this old last the dental, the revolution was before world war one. use that c o street in general, a south relied on the id is sophia crania, is ation and started actively promoting the ideas of your brain and that ukraine is ation. but ideally, middle wiley, i guess now we'll assume that you know, select which button. so they're both the most obvious ballistic just before world war one, once a week and the potential enemy and secure themselves and favorable conditions in the border area. so the idea which had emerged in poland, the people residing in that territory were allegedly not really russians, but brought that belong to a special ethnic group. ukrainians who they started being propagated by the austrian general staff. what are the, what do you think you're pregnant?

as far back as the 19th century, no fear is calling for ukrainian independence appeared. ok. screen vision. all those however claimed that ukraine should have a very good relationship with russia mustang. but what they insisted on that was the day when the technician used for 2 months, the after the 1917 revolution, that obviously was late. this is the status of those guys. the bolsheviks sought the restore the state and the civil war began including the hostilities with bowling plush efficient use of the what's good, i'm good. at the book, i told him is up and they can 1921 piece with bowlin was proclaimed. and under that 3 p, the right bank of neighbor river once again was given back to poland sufficient to get them in 1939 after poland cooperated with hitler. tr. let's keep them something this collaborates with him. you know, hitler offers bowling geese and a treaty of friendship like your little girl,

a switch and alliance go demanding and returned the bowling to give back to germany . the so called the advancing car doors of the which connected the bulk of germany with east russia and canning spur. that's known issues. getting mine use a so can you compare them the the, the source solution? i appreciate the where one best territory it was transferred to poland and instead of bouncing a city of dunst emerged mister ben took up the user. hitler asked them to give it amicably, but they reduced that of course, the next bill they collaborated with hitler and engaged together if you could even use do. does that mean is in the partitioning of czechoslovakia, but may asking, you're making the case that the ukraine, certainly parts of the pregnancy and crane is in effect. russia has been for hundreds of years. why wouldn't you just take it when you became president?

24 years ago. you have nuclear weapons. they don't interest actual your land. why did you wait so long? sure. i'm not sure. i'll tell you. i'm coming to that stage this. this briefing is coming to annette. and it might be boring, but it does something more than anything. so i just don't know how it's relevant. no, i think we should take them to good goodness you and i'm so ratified that you appreciate . that was the thank you. it's the know, so before world war 2, poland collaborated hibler. and although it did not yield to hitler's demands, it's still participated in the partition and go czechoslovakia together with hitler who as the polls had not given good. bounce a car door to germany, metrics and went so far pushing hitler to start the world war 2. by attacking them, even though what name is, why was it poland against whom the worst started on 1st september 1939, the evil blowing of poland turned out to be uncompromising against hitler. had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with bowling b. as soon as get safe,

by the way, that you as a star, i have read some archive documents behaved very honestly waste. and the publisher flow. it asked bolan's permission to transit its troops through the poll, which territory to help czechoslovakia, who's got headspace doesn't have these. but the then polish for administer said that if the soviet plans flew over poland, they would be down. however, the territory of poland. find them in july, but that doesn't matter. what matters is that there weren't a gun, and boland felt great to the policies it hits or sued against chickens. lucky, you know, it's under the well known mullets of ribbons. you know, back in security, sweetie. i think some parts of the territory, including western ukraine, it was to be given to russia. but another way to say this is russia, which was then named this us sr. regain this historical lance by the after the victory in the great the patriarch war. as we called world war 2 country. but it's

all those territories were ultimately enshrined as belonging to russia. portia, today, us a sorry, but i think convinced i see that now the only thing that's for poland is that you'd received apparently in compensation. the lands which had originally being german is up under a solution which is the eastern parts of germany. and these are now western lanes of poland. so we use this to the, that you don't know this, of course colon regain access to the multics c. and it sounds like you've done some product based on the, which was once again, given its own which name. what they can put on the flush. so this was how the situation developing better when you say the school site was the end of edition you took in 1922. when the ussr was being established easy, i'm not sure who familiar with this as opposed to like started building. they use a sorry and establish the soviet ukraine, which had never existed before for one right. that's one of the simple watching. so should use which as well, but instead of say,

darling insisted that those republics be included in the us as our as quite difficult. yeah, i've done them a couple of tournaments, entities. that's my why did school because that's the new state for some inexplicable reason. land and the founder of the soviet state insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the us. it's, are they give you a bit of who and again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established soviet population of ukraine. some of the lands together with the people living there, even though those lens had never been called ukraine. and yet they were made part of that. so we had the republic of your brain on those lines included the blacks, the region which was received under after reading of the grades, which had no historical connection with ukraine whatsoever. institution slipped, even if we go as far back as 1654. when these lands returned the russian empire, the 3rd 3 was the size of $3.00 to $4.00 regions of modern ukraine. with no blacks,

a region that was completely out of the question, 1654 is exactly that. you know what, i'm just, i mean, you obviously encyclopedic knowledge of this region. but why didn't you make this case for the 1st 22 years as president that ukraine wasn't a real country? the you talk about it that i'm not sure if i was googling the boat to the soviet union was given a great deal of territory that had never belonged to including the black sea region . i think of them i see. the blue shield is the 2nd at some point when russia received them as an outcome of the russo turkish wars. they were called new russia or never received the stomach. but that does not matter what matters is that the land and the founder of this. so we had stayed with the ship, establish ukraine, that way it gives us that is as a fit for decades that ukrainian so if you're the republic to develop a sparks of the us sr and finance company to remotely and for unknown reasons.

again, the bolsheviks were engaged in ukrainian as ation. it was not merely because the soviet leadership was come close to a great extent of those originating product. okay. right. and the rather it was explained by the general policy of in the generalization versus by the soviet union and things now, same things were done in other soviet republics. this involves promoting national languages and national cultures, which is not about in principle. that is how the soviet ukraine was created after the world war 2 ukraine received in addition to the lands that had belonged to poland before the war. spots of the lands that had previously belonged to hungary and the remaining. so romania and hungry had some of their lands taken away and given to the soviet ukraine and they still remain part of your brain. and so in this sense, we have every reason to affirm that ukraine is an artificial stable that will shape that stallings which you believe hungry has a right to take its land back from ukraine. and the other nations have

a right to go back to their 1654 borders or no use? no, it's got good news and i'm not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 border sufficient touch to but given style in stine, so cold stallings regime, which as many claim so numerous violations of human rights and violations of the rights of other states with them, some of these can use the phone, you must know who you're going to email the problem. 1 may say that they could claim back those lines of theirs while having no right to do this is like a waste understandable. have you told victor or bottom that he can have part of your grade? because then you go, you never he, i've never told them not a single time when i seem designated she wasn't able to go to the site. we have not even had been a conversation on that, but i actually know for sure that hum,

gary ends who lived there and you can just take a few minutes. and so i just wanted to get back to their historical land. it's nice to i think the course. moreover, i would like to share a very interesting story with you just to get the much. i digress. it's a personal one is a, somewhere in the early eighties. i went on the road trip in a car from then lending right across the soviet union to kids. we who made the stop and key of and then went to western ukraine and i went to the town of bid a good boy. he, in all the names of the towns and villages, there were in russian and in the language i did not understand in hon, gary and in russian and in hon. gary and was nothing ukrainian in russian. and in hon gear in story, i was driving through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses and they were wearing black, 3 be suits and black cylinder hats. i asked,

are they some kind of entertainers, you know, i was still know they were nothing just saying there's, they are hung bearings. i said, what are they doing here? what do you mean? this is they land they live here, really? this was during the soviet time in the 1980s they preserved, they hung gary and language and gary names and all their national costumes. they are hung gary ends and they feel themselves to be hung gear is. and of course, when now there is an infringement issue. why that that is. and there's a lot of that. so i think many nations are upset about transylvania as well as you obviously know. but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the worst of the 20th century and was going back a 1000 years the one to pick you mentioned. but the fact is that you didn't make this case in public control 2 years ago, february, and in the case that you made, which i read today, jessica, you, you explain a great length that you felt a physical threat from the west in nato, including potentially nuclear threat,

and that's what got you to move. is that a fair characterization of what you said as yep. yep. yep. and you might have to make the lead. yeah. well, you don't get, i need, if i understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. that is why i asked you at the beginning there, are we going to have a serious stock or a show? you say it was said a serious stock. so they are with leslie has screwed up kind of to come. we're coming to the point where the soviet ukraine was established. then in 1991, the soviet union collapsed to everything that russia had generously bestowed on ukraine was dragged away by the latter. i'm just i'm coming to a very important point of today's agenda if nothing else at all. so let's go so thank you. after all, it is the collapse of the soviet union was effectively initiated by the russian

leadership, and i can go to co sourcing of cost. what i know, i do not understand what the russian leadership was guided with by the time. but i suspect there were several reasons to think everything would be fine. yeah, we're not like, you know, i don't move to a level goes to what i see useful if i use the worst perform the mean. personally, i think that then russian leadership believe that the fundamentals of the relationship between russia and ukraine, where in fact, a common language, more than 90 percent of the population there spoke russian. because what do you think i could talk to you through the rest of the family size? every 3rd person there had some kind of family or friendship size, common culture and the thing is so common history. find the least common faith, the co existence with a single state for centuries and deeply interconnected economies, movement question scene was a must have, you know, all of these were so fundamental, these views, all these elements together make are good,

the relationship that way. and then it simple, if i used to, but we're committed custody of years then you're still. the 2nd point is a very important one, but is now what i see schools. i want you as an american citizen and your viewers to hear about this as well. going, bush and you've got, you need the former russian leadership assume that the soviet union had ceased to exist. and therefore, there were no longer any ideological dividing lines that gave them a bunch of other than that of all serious goals. russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the soviet union is the way of them. and believe that this would be understood, by the way, so called civilized what say you isn't as an invitation for cooperation and associated with the bill that i see it. yes, that is what the russian was expecting. you both from the united states and the so called collect a was a whole function need to get to mind it going by. there were smart people, including in germany, you gone bar, a major political sion, of the social democratic parties, no queen system,

in his personal conversations with the soviet leadership on the brink of the collapse of the soviet union and that they knew security system should be established in your phone, whichever you have to get in mind, you know, help should be given to unified germany was quite you seeking with a new system should be also established to include the united states, canada, russia, and other central european countries. nothing was done. yes. but nate, the me just not so it was the ban. let me ask a few more towards that. somebody said what the code? no, i can look up if nato expands, everything would be just the same as during the cold war, you won't have to only closer to russia's borders. that's all i wish the one that to seduce because he was a wise old man, but no one listen to this event. when in fact he got angry once pursued, you'll send the favorites go codes. if he said, you don't listen to me, i'm never setting my foot in moscow once again. i'm not giving you meaning everything happened just as he headset. you will, of course it did come true and i, and you've mentioned this many times. i think it's a fair point in many in america,

thought that relations between in russia and united states would be fine with the collapse of the so being in the end of the cold war that the opposite happened. but you've never explained why you think that happened, except to say that the west fears are strong, russia, but we have a strong china of the west does not seem very afraid of. what about russia? do you think i to convince policy makers they had to take it down, zepplin plates this you know, get a boy. she can seem to know what i see. the west is a freight of strong china, more than a few years. a strong russia. you said, because of russia has 150000000 people in china, has 1500000000 population, and this economy is growing by leaps and bounds or 5 percent a year. it used to be even more, but that's enough for china. so as bismark once put a glove within, show us the most important jane is potential is enormous. it is the biggest economy in the world today, in terms of purchasing power and parents days,

and the size of the economy. it has already overtaking the united states quite a long time ago, and it is growing at a rapid click. let's not talk about it, who is afraid of whom, and what's the reason in such stern use for though it, let's get think through the fact that after and 1991 when russia expected that they would be welcome thing. so they rather we family of civilized nations. nothing like this happened to the trick this, i don't mean you personally when i say you, of course i'm talking about the united states. that promise was that nato would not expend east for it, but it happened 5 times. there were finally waves of expansion which tolerated on that. we were trying to persuade them. we were saying, please don't we are as bourgeois now as you are. we are a market economy and there is no communist party power. let's negotiate. moreover, i have also said this publicly before and a boom. i mean, it's going to that there was a moment when she had a course company,

digital data search and ripped, started roving between me to us before that yeltsin came to the united states. remember, he spoken congress and said the good words, god bless america. even though everything he said were signals, so let us and remember the developments and you're just loved. and before that yeltsin was lavished with brace. as soon as the developments and you're just loved, you started, he raised his voice in support of sir ups and we couldn't but raise our voices, were serbs in their defense for you mind i understand that there were complex processes and the way that i do my blood rush, it could not help raising his voice in support of serbs because serves are also a special and close to us nation and with orthodox culture and so on. new, it's a nation that has suffered so much for generations. well, regardless, what is important is that the else in expressed his support. what did the united states do in violation of international law and the un charter, it started bumping. the great it was the united states that lead the genie out of

the bottom really more over the russian protest and then expressed as resentment and stuff. what was said, the when charter an international law have become obsolete now. everyone invokes international law. but at that time, they started saying that everything was outdated, everything had to be changed over indeed, some things need to be changed as the balance of power has changed and which is true butting up in this manner, hilton was immediately director of the month accused of alcohol isn't of understanding nothing of knowing that you know what actual he understood everything . i assure you. well, let me see. i became president in 2000. i thought okay, so you just log issue is over, but we should try to restore relations. i told her what i hear. let's reopen the door that russia had tried to go through washington and it's more over. i said publicly, i can read generate, couldn't get white issue. i could list the billing at a meeting here in the kremlin with the outgoing president. bill clinton right here

in the next room. i said to him, a couple of i asked him easily, but he's still a little stupidly new bill. do you think of russia asked to join nato? do you think it would happen with google? doesn't actually interior. suddenly he said, you know, it's interesting, i think so you to this it was, it was in the evening when we met for dinner. it was just like he said, you know, come on. i've talked to him, i'd say no, no, it's not possible. now most especially if you may have the windows, you can ask him, i think he will watch our interview. he'll come for him into. but don't know, i wouldn't have said anything like that if it hadn't happened. okay, were you since here possible? now would you have join nato? best look. yeah, i asked the question, is it possible or not? and the answer i got was no. if i was insincere in my desire to find out what the leadership position was, what if you had said yes would you have joining nato?

yes, it was if he had so yes, the process of reproach meant would have commenced. and eventually it might have happened if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners. but it doesn't happen. well, you know means no. okay, let me see if we can find why do you think that is just to get to a motive? i know you're clearly better about it. i understand. but why do you think the west rebuffed you then? why, the hostility, why did the end of the cold war not fix the relationship? what motivates this from your point of view was really still you said it was good or about the answer? no, it's not bitterness. it's just the statement. the fact we're not the bride and groom bitterness, resentment on that, it's sort of build those kinds of matters and such circumstances. mean we just realized we were in welcome there. that's all issue. okay, fine. but let's build relations in another manner. let's talk a common ground with elsewhere of why we receive such

a negative response. you should ask your leaders so i can only guess why. i'm so big a country by this own opinion and so on compassion and the united states. i have seen how issues are being resolved in nato. no, yes. are you sure i will give you another example. now concerning your train into the spring, i was just saying, she said the us leadership exerts pressure and all nato members a beat and leave out to people. so that's the, even even if they do not like some things scheduled with this, the so, but i know i'll tell you what happened in disregard with ukraine in 2008, although is being discussed. i'm not going to open a secret. so you say anything michael has no wish to reach if not, she never. the less often that we try to build the relations in different ways. so we can for example, the events in the middle east in iraq. and we were building relations with the united states and a very soft, prudent cautious manner. and i repeatedly raised the issue that the united states

should not support separatism or terrorism in the north august and i see it on the golf course. most of the day, they continue to do it anyway, but it keeps getting political support. information supports financial supports. the military supports came from the united states and it satellites, for there is groups and the congress is the fundamental one you know, wants to raise this issue with my colleagues. also the president of the united states. he says, it's impossible to have proof. i said, yes, i was prepared for this conversation and i gave him the proof of some of you. he looked at it and you know what? he said, i apologize, but that's what happened to our quotes. he says, well, i'm going to kick their ass. we waited and waited for some response. there was no reply. yeah, go to get it through. i set the depth as be director, right to the ca. what is the result of the conversation with president is he wrote

once or twice, and then we got a reply. we have the answer in the archive before the c, i replied on both ends. we have been working with the opposition and russia. i think we believe that this is the right thing to do, and we will keep on doing it and some reason that just ridiculous slide number when well, okay. and we realized that there was out of the question, forces in opposition to you, do your thing and see a strong over to your government and your some emails if you do the balance load of course they meant in that particular case, the separate the length of it there is who fought with us and the caucasus was the one. that's the one. that's who they called the opposition. i thought the federal we minute. this is the 2nd one glass, and the 3rd moment is a very important one is the moment when the us missile defense system was created, i met you at the beginning and what they'll do. but what it, what if we persuaded for a long time, not to do it in united states,

unless you do for more over gets loose abortion out. there was invited by bush juniors, father bush, senior, to visit his place on the ocean dumpster sales. he said it was maybe he had a very serious conversation with president bush, an agency to but i propose that the united states and russia and europe jointly create the miss of a fence system that we believe we should have created unilaterally, threatens our security despite the fact that the united states officially said that it was being created against missile threats from i ran. that was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system. i suggested working together, russia, the united states and europe. they said it was very interesting. they asked me, are you serious? i'm seeing if i said we have to have. so literally may i ask, what year was this? i know you and your bonus, but i don't remember when somebody comes there,

but it is easy to find out on the internet when i was in the us say at the invitation of a bunch of senior it is even easier to learn from someone. i'm going to tell you about this because that, that what you need to do, i was told it was very interesting. i said, i'm just imagine if we could set goals such a global strategic security challenge together, new, the world will change for them. it will probably have disputes, probably economic and even political ones, but we could drastically change the situation in the world. a says yes and you and asks, are you serious? i said, of course, we need to think about it on. so what would that could be? and i said, go ahead please. then secretary of defense gates form and director of c i a and secretary of state rice came in here in this cabinet right here at this table. they sat on the stable, me the for administer the russian defense minister on that side and he's got

a bottle and they said to me and you, yes, we have thought about it. we agree? i said, i think got great. no, but with some exceptions. so twice you've described us presidents making decisions and then being under cut by their agency heads. so it sounds like you're describing a system that's not run by the people who are elected in your talent. even if the, let's try it. can you just make it for, for the, for the simple the and then the dates are still just a good last. yeah, i'm not going to tell you the details because i think it's incorrect. after all, it was confidential, the conversation to pull up with our proposal was declined. that's like that. even though it was right then when i said look, but then we will be forced to take counselor measures. so then we, we will create such strikes systems that will certainly overcome missile defense system. we answer it was, we're not doing this against you and you do what you want me for,

assuming that there is nothing against us, nothing against the united states. but as i said, okay, very well, i'm just thinking that's the way it went and we created hypersonic systems within sort continental range. and we continue to develop that. we're now head of everyone, the united states and the other countries in terms of the development of hypersonic strikes systems. and we are improving them every day. but it wasn't us like if we proposed to go the other way and we were pushed to a couple of the shooting. and now what else nato is expansion to the north. well, we were promised. no nato to beast. nothing interested the east as we were told. and then what's the good know, they said well it's nothing trained on paper. so we'll expense the at the machine. so there were 5 waves of expansions of the baltic states, the whole of eastern europe, and so on. you want to know it come to the main thing. they have come to the ukraine, ultimately, the issue in 2008 at the summit in bucharest,

they declared that the doors for ukraine in georgia to join nato were open. you know about how decisions are made there. germany, france seems to be against it as well as some other european countries. but then as it turned out later, we president bush and he's such a tough guy on pick softball vision. as i was told later, he exert the pressure on us and we had to agree metro. when it's ridiculous, it's like kindergarten. what's, where are the guarantees what the kindergarten guess is? what kind of people are these who are day 20. thank you. you see, they were press, they agree about too many good. and then they say ukraine won't be in the nato. you know? i say, i don't know. i know you agreed in 2008. why once you agree in the future and stuff, well, they pressed us, then i say, why, when they press you tomorrow, and you'll agree again, it's kim. well,

it's nonsensical. who's there to talk to. i just don't understand that and we're ready to talk. but it, with whom i should mention this way, which way are, are the guarantees non nimble with them? so they started to develop the territory of ukraine. i think it, whatever it is there. i have told you the background. somehow this same story developed was due to what kind of relations they were with russia. every 2nd or 3rd person there has always had sometimes with the rush and during the elections in already independent sovereign ukraine. would you gain this independence as a result of the declaration of independence? and by the way, it says that ukraine is a neutral state and in 2008 southern lead doors are gates to nato. we're open, so it come on. what this is not how we agreed, you know, now all the presidents that have come to power in ukraine, then at least they relied on the electorate with the goods at the, to the russia in one way or the other. you go us to a,

this is the southeast of ukraine. this is a large number of people you get to pick that up. and it was a very difficult at this way to select sort which had the positive attitude towards russia. if it's the cost of visual victoria nicole, each came to power and how, what are some of the new the 1st time he went up to president, which month they organized the 3rd round, which is not provided for in the constitution of ukraine city level. this is a cruise to talk to just imagine someone in the united states wouldn't like the outcome in 2014. and yet, before that, and you know, this was before that it's the opposite president coach. not victoria nicole, which one the election of what sort of whole river. his opponents did not recognize the victory or the us supporting the opposition. and the 3rd round was scheduled for that, but get it done. what is this? this is due to the u. s. support of it and the winter of the 3rd round came to about this one that i still need to imagine if in the us something was not to

someone's liking. and the 3rd round of election, which the us constitution does not provide for, it was organize how to get the less it was done in ukraine. you put this in with. okay, victoria, you shouldn't go who was considered a pro western politician came to power page and i thought he should also comes up with a fine. we have built relations with him as well. he came to moscow with the visits we visited, the kids, i visit the to the chair to see if we met in an informal setting, the peace pro western. so be it. it's fine. what people do their job through this case, the supply situation should have develop inside the independent ukraine itself. as a result of quote from us leadership things got worse and victory on the quote which came to power after all, to choose. maybe he wasn't the best president and politician. i don't know. i don't want to give assessment. so however, the issue of the association with the you came up no stone surface. you want to say

here as we have always been leading into this suit yourself. but when we read through the 3 p of association, it turned out to be a problem for us. and since we had the free trade zone and open customs borders with ukraine, which under this association had to open its borders where you are going, would you put the lead to flooding of a remark? you're going to use it, you e book, i'm still not sure. and we said, no, this is not going to work for the spring, which will close our borders with ukraine than the customs board the central ship. you know, we just started to calculate how much you grand was going to gain how much to lose and set through his european partners. i need more time to think before signing. at the moment he said that the opposition begins to take. this struck the steps which were supported by the west. they all came down to my dun and a cool in ukraine. so he did more trade with russia than with the you. the ukraine to when you look on you can use, of course, is the center even the matter of

a trade in volume. although for the most part it is, it is the matter of cooperation size, which the entire ukrainian economy was based on. the cooperation size between the enterprises were very close since the times of the soviet union to one enterprise. there used to produce components to be assembled, both in russia and ukraine, and vice versa. they used to be very close. it is now is a signal accrued the tell them is committed, although i shall not delve into details now, as i find doing it inappropriately the us sold, as you come in a cottage down and we will come the opposition of let the situation unfolds. in this scenario of a political settlement we, we said all right, agreed. so what's the best way to do it? as the americans requested the coverage that use neither the armed forces, northern police, yet the army opposition committed a crew in key level. what is that supposed to mean?

who do you think you are still thinking i wanted to as that then us leadership seeking with the backing of home put it by just get see when you were the backing of see a of course of it in the organization. you wanted to join back in the day as i understand, i think we should think got, they've been to let you in. although it is a serious organization. i understand my former visit be in the sense that i served in the 1st main director it so with unions intelligent service. they have always been our opponents and job as a job. know you just you and if you're doing it brand new, technically they did everything right. they achieve their goal of changing the government. however, from political standpoint, it was a colossal mistake. surely it was political leaderships, miscalculation government. they should have seen what it was evolving, so it took

a good the so in 2008, the doors of it ain't over open for you. grange to them in 2014. there was a cool. it's not even persecuting those who did not accept the crew. and it was in the, the cool. they created little spread, the great media, which we had to take under our protection. much as a launch the words on boss in 2014, when they use an aircraft, then they're tillery against civilians. who said, this is when it all started. there's a video aircraft in the 2nd, don't it from above that, but then they launched a large scale military operations, but then another one i was when they failed, they started to repair the next call issue. oh, this, against the background, the military development of this territory center opening of and it goes doris. i unit e a creek g. how could we not express concerned or what was happening, but it would, it can be spoken from our side. this would have been the comfortable negligence

company. that's what it would have been much like the book, but the good customer is just that the us political leadership, a little more stressed to the line. we could not cross the move because doing so could have ruined russia itself. it doesn't show us what i see. you put them when you model you bullshit, measure united. besides, we could not leave our brothers and face. in fact, that's part of russian people in the face of this war machine to buy a new much, what was that? so that was 8 years before the current conflict started. so what was the trigger for you? what was the moment where you decided you had to do this to know some substance, but what sort of will complete is my change initially, it was the cool when they were trained to improve over the conflict by the way, like then the representatives of 3 european countries, germany, poland, and france were running around, but they were the guarantors of assigned agreement between the government and the on of coverage in the on position. but,

but basically they signed that as guarantors this month. it only applies you despite that the opposition committed the cool in all these countries pretend that they didn't remember that they were guarantors of a peaceful settlement. miller, they just threw it into so right away, and nobody recalls that at the to the government. i don't know if the us know anything about the agreement between the opposition and the story to be secure, and it's 3 guarantors who instead of bringing this whole situation back in the political field, this is important to cool nimble. although it was meaningless. believe me in quite a 2nd, some less because presidents in a coverage agreed to all conditions simple. he was ready to hold an early election, which he has no chance of windows. natalie speaking is that, you know, everyone knew that. then why is it cool? why the victims? why threatening crania, that's why launching in operation and gun boss. and by this i do not understand what's that is exactly what the miscalculation is. is that ca,

that is job to complete the cool. i mean, this is, i'm of course, i think one of the deputy secretaries of state said that because the large sum of money, almost 5000000 is extreme and the political mistake wasn't the loss. so that sounds good. why would they have to do that? all this could have been done legally without the victim using the military action without the losing crimea. but to me, we would have never considered to even lift a finger if it hadn't been for the bloody developments on my done my stuff with simplicity, this seems because we agree with the fact that after the collapse of the soviet union, our borders should be along the borders of former unions. republics. we agree to that really. so shame most we never agreed. so nato is expansion and more over we never agreed that the ukraine virtually being made to box them out the to be secure because the world's name, we did not the greeks or data bases, they are without any late gushing with us. for decades, we kept asking,

we don't do this, we don't do that uh frustrating. you know what to do and what triggered the latest events. so close to finding. firstly, the current to framing and leadership declared that they would not implement the minsk agreements which had been signed as you know, after the events of 2014 and mence. i'm or the plan of peaceful settlement in don't boss was set forth. you can go was to know the current to create in leadership for administer all other officials. and then president himself said that they don't like you. and to think about the men's agreements and things like that. and in other words, they were not going to implement it, but it was really stupid be solely was a year or a year and a half ago. but the former leaders of germany and france said, opened them into the whole world. it's a selection union that they indeed assigned to minsk agreements, but they never intended to implement them. they simply let us by the nose, was there anyone for you to talk to? did you call us president secretary state and say if you keep notarizing ukraine

with nato forces, this is going to get this is going to be a, we're going to act like will stay on that, but i'm going a stay on the good been going. but i should know, so we talked about this all the time. you see that we addressed the united states and european countries. leadership to some of these developments immediately. so implement the main screen, ramon's, frankly speaking. i didn't know how we were going to do this, but i was ready to implement those. these agreements were complicated for ukraine. they included lots of elements, so it goes done, boss, territories, independence. that's true. however, i was absolutely confident and i'm saying this to you now, i honestly believe that if we manage to convince the residents of done us so going to we had to work hard to convince them to return to the ukranian statehood. and then gradually,

the ones would start to feel being around and when this part of the territory really integrated itself into common social environmental e. when the attention, as a social benefits were paid again, or all the pieces would gradually fall into place within their bus, will it be super sleepy and that no, nobody wanted that everybody wants it to resolve the issue by military force only for michelle for that week, would not let that happen and the situation got to the point when the ukrainians size announced that they know we will not do anything. and they also started preparing for me. it was a reaction. wayne, who measured it. i knew it was they who started the war in 2014. our goal is to stop this war. and we did not started this war in 2022. this is an attempt to stop it. do you think you've stopped it now? mean if you would cim dreams, you know,

we haven't achieved our aims yet because somebody, one of them is the notification. i mean, this means that brought addition of all kinds of neo nancy moments. this is one of the properties that we've discussed during the negotiation process. which ended in assembly earlier this year, a couple of his initial system. boy, you know, my 1st i'm going to make sure you know, and it was not our initiative because we were told by the europeans in particular that it wasn't necessary to create conditions for the final signing of the documents. and my counterparts in france and germany said, for now you don't mind, you're going to look up the shipper. so let's go, can you move? how can you imagine them signing gets repeat when they've gone to their house? i'm going because the trip should be pulled back from key if i said, alright, we would through the troops, some key to it using you to up to a to you. as soon as we pull you back or 2 of the strong key, if all were ukrainian negotiators immediately through all our agreements, ribs,

and it's the boat into that. then let's do this. even though they stumbled and got prepared for a long standing armed confrontation with the help of the united states and its satellites in europe. what that is, how the situation has developed it. and that is how it looks now. now, what does the party make or what is the notification? what would that mean with that? that? what do, what do you have are gonna start yourself with them because of the, what's your question about those? then it's difficult because that is what i want to talk about right now. it is a very important issue, and the notification is good to go to you after gaining independence, ukraine begin to search. as some western analysts say that it's identity law if they did not, and it came up with nothing better than to build this identity upon some false heroes who collaborated with hitler authorities at the bottom cheese gets here.

he'll have a good idea of store. i have already said that in the early 19th century, when that theories of independence, insolvency of ukraine appeared on, you said they assume that they be an independent ukraine. you should have very good relations with russia. not a few studies cool. what else do you do to the historical development? those territories were part of the phone with surely dwayne and commonwealth, poland, greens, of wherever ukrainians were persecuted and 3 fits quite brutally as well as were subject accrual behavior and even patients. now you really simple changes to get the show scholars for pregnancy. there were also attempts to destroy their identity in uh, categories, list i'm at, and that i'm you know, way right now, just the oldest remained in the memory of the people. now, when world war 2 broke out, part of this extremely nation, always delete, collaborated with hitler. believing that he would bring them freedom. now i'm not

sure if that's of interest get to them. but i grasped the german troops, even the s s. troops may hitler's collaborators and do the dirtiest work of exterminating the ocean. jewish population get in the hands, this brutal massacre of the polish and jewish population as well as the russian population to some companies get to themselves the uh what the to go with the, to just the equation. yeah, this was led by the persons who are well known, but there, well the suitcase which it was those people who were made national or heroes. that is the problem. and we are constantly told that nationalism and the on now system exist in other countries as well. yes, they are seedlings, but we approved that. i'm seeing that in other countries fight against as somebody's in. but ukraine is not the case that these people have been made into a national heroes and ukraine monuments. so those people have been erected,

they are displayed on flags. their names are shouted by crowds with walked with torches as it was in nazi germany. was the one on your left leg. and you know, you can look at each of these were people who exterminated both jews and russians at the new understands ready by lack of you, leave it almost another another. it is necessary to stop this practice and prevent the dissemination of this consulate. nonsense. i say that you create the answer part of the one function people here. they say, no, we are a separate team. oh, okay. they find that the sure days that if they consider themselves a separate people, send a message, they have the right to do so nothing you know, but not on the basis of analysis and from the nazi that'd be all it you would you be satisfied with the territory that you have now a new just you the question which are the prosper and you will not, isn't it beneficial? got see, i will finish answering the question ok,

you just asked the question about the meal notes and the notification. i'm out to wait. some of them look, the president of ukraine visited canada. i mean, the story is well known, but leading silence. then the western countries speak your part of them in the canadian parliament introduce the man who as the speaker of the parliament settling a startling, fought against the russians during the world war 2 well, 2 forth against the russians during the world war 2. recently, hitler and his accomplices. when it turns out that this men served in the s s, troops personally killed the russian goals in judas. by using windows, us troops consisted of ukrainian nationalist who, that is dirty work, how the president 0 crane stood up with the entire parliament of canada and applauded this miracle piece color. how can this be imagined? the president of ukraine himself, by the way, is a jew by nationality. even when really my question is, what do you do about it?

i mean hitler's been dead for 80 years, not seen germany, no longer exists. and so true. and so i think what you're saying is you want to extinguish or at least control ukrainian nationalism. but how, how do you do that? but looks like you mean you watch a lot, but it was what you want to listen to me. your question is very subtle. and i can tell you what i think do not take offense of course, because the only thing particularly in the top of this question appears to be settled. it is quite investigate. so unless you use a hitler hesitating that for so many years, you've got to 80 years when each test, but his example lives on people who exterminate the jews. russians, i suppose our lives, you wouldn't even know great. and the president, even currently the president of today's ukraine laws family in the canadian

parliament, gave us a standing ovation. typical lucas, can we say that we have completely approved any this ideology? what if what we see happening today? that is what the notification is in our understanding. uh we have to get rid of those people who maintain this concept and support this practice and try to preserve that. that is what we do not certification is or what that is, what we mean, right? my question is one more specific, it was of course not a defense of nazis, new or otherwise. it was a practical question. you don't control the entire country, you don't control give, you don't seem like you want to. so how, how do you will eliminate a culture or an ideology or feelings or a view of history in a country that you don't control? what do you do about that? i wasn't i to, oh gosh, describe them for you to go to the stumble. yeah. you know, as strange as it may seem to you during the negotiations that they stumble,

we did agree that we have it all in writing. neil now susan would not be cultivated in ukraine, including that it would be prohibited at the legislative level. explain. mr. carson, we agreed on that if this it turns out can be done during the negotiation process. yes, there is nothing humiliating for ukraine as a modern civilized state. is any state allowed to promote not citizens and that's the part of it is not, is it? that is it making it will there be talks and why haven't there been talks about resolving the conflict in ukraine? peace talks, are you really and you bring it and you actually notion was focused on just a goal. so when you're by eating floors, they have been they reached a very high stage of coordination of positions in

a complex process. but still they were almost finalized. but after we withdrew of troops from key of, as i had already said, the other side threw away all these agreements and obeyed the instructions of western countries, european countries, and the united states to fight russia to the bidder. and moreover, the presidency of a grain has legislated the ban on negotiating with russia. he signed a decree for bidding every once in negotiating with russia. but how are we going to negotiate if he for baby himself and every one to do this? now, we know that he is putting for, with some ideas about the settlement. but in order to agree on something, we need to have a dialogue. is that not right? well, but you wouldn't be speaking to your credit and present. you'd be speaking to the american president. when was the last time you spoke to joe, but i cannot remember when i talked to him because i do not remember we can look it

up. he's going to remember, no, why do i have to remember everything? i have my own things to do. we have domestic political affairs while he's funding the war that you're fighting. so i would think that would be memorable. no, don't want to nice. well, yes, he funds, but i talked to him before the special military operation, of course, and i said to him, then by the way, i will not go into details. i never do, but i said to him, then i believe that you are making a huge mistake of historic proportions by supporting everything that is happening there in ukraine by pushing russia way. i told him i told him repeatedly by the way this so i think that would be correct. if i stop here. what did he say? when you ask him please, it is easier for you. you are a citizen of the united states. go and ask him. it is not appropriate for me to

comment on our conversation, but you haven't spoken to him since before february of 2022. no, no, no, no. we haven't spoken. expect a good. certain contexts are being made saying though, speaking of which might as well as you can do you remember what i told you about my proposal to work together on a missile defense system? yes, no, no. more than those back. you can see if i need, you can ask all of them that will. all of them are safe and sound. thank god bless you. the former president come the leaves a safe and sound, and i think mister gates and the current director of the intelligence agency, mister burns, the then invested there to russia, in my opinion, are very successful invested there. they were all witnesses to these conversations . some ask them about the same here if you are interested in what mr. president biden responded to me, ask him at any rate, i talk to him about it. i'm, i'm,

i'm definitely interested. but from the outside, it seems like this could devolve or evolve into something that brings the entire world into conflict and could initiate some nuclear launch. and so why don't you just call bible and say, let's work this out. it lets you what is it that uh, searching of what's there to work out? it's very simple. i repeat just this concept of putting it on one of these. we have contacts through various agencies on schedule, something regarding this. i will tell you what we are saying on this matter and what we're conveying to the us leadership. we, if you really want to stop fighting, you need to stop supplying weapons. it will be over within a few weeks. that's it. and then we can agree on some terms before you do that, to stop what's easier. why would they call in the, what's your date?

talk to him about where it beg came for what and what mess with the fact that with that stuck with the i was you know, you're going to deliver such and such weapons to your grain. oh, i'm afraid i'm afraid, please don't. what is there to talk about? do you think nato is worried about this becoming a little bit more or a nuclear conflict? at least that's what they're talking about. and they are trying to intimidate their own population within the imaginary russian threats. this is an obvious fact and thinking people will not tell us steins but thinking people analyst, those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people understand perfectly well that this is faith doing it. so they're trying to fuel the russian threats. the threat. i think you're referring to is a russian invasion of poland. lafayette expansionist behavior. is. can you imagine

a scenario where you sent russian troops cold which is a certain system only in one case if poland attacks russia. why? because we have no interest in poland, latvia, or anywhere else. why would we do that? we simply don't have any interest into this, but it's just the trip mongering. well the argument, i know you notice is that well he invaded ukraine. she has territorial aims across the continent and you're saying unequivocally, you don't send, you know, it's upsetting. you scripts, you know, it is absolutely out of the question. you can, i mean, you just don't have to be any kind of analyst. it goes against common sense to get involved in some kind of a global war and a lot brand new wayne state, and i'm good i and a global warbles bring all humanity to the brink of destruction. it's obvious what

the just can use to see they are certainly means of the turns in they have been staring every one with us all along. tomorrow. russia will use tactical nuclear weapons tomorrow. russia will use that no the day after tomorrow. so once we meet, you know, we will put these in order to extort the additional money from us taxpayers and european tax payers in the confrontation with russia in the ukranian theater award . the goal is to weaken russia as much as possible. well, one of our senior united states senators from the state of new york, chuck schumer said yesterday, i believe that we have to continue to fund the ukrainian efforts for us soldiers. citizens could wind up finding their how do you assess that?

that's a, that's a pro godsa. this is a publication and a cheaper vacation at that. i mean, the way i do not understand why american soldiers should fight in ukraine. they are mercenaries from the united states. there. the bigger number of mercenaries comes from poland, with nurse and aries from the united states, and 2nd place, and mercenaries from georgia in 3rd place. because as long as well, if somebody has the desire to send regular troops, that would certainly bring humanity to the brink of a very serious global complex. this is obvious to the united states need this. this is what for duty today with newsrooms and thousands of miles away from your national territory. they're going to need to phone problems. don't you have anything better to do? so if you have issues on the border issues with migration issues, with the national debt, more than $33.00 trillion dollars,

you have nothing better to do so you should fight in your brain when you might want to a couple of us good. wouldn't it be better to negotiate with the russian? make an agreement already understanding the situation that is developing today. realizing that russia will fight for its interest to the end, they're almost mostly and realizing this actually return to common sense and start respecting our country and its interest and look for certain solutions. because yeah, it seems to me that this is much smarter and more rational. who blow up north stream you for sure. i was busy that made it and you have to have uh, i did not pull up your last name. uh, it's good to know what's the coolest leech and what, what you said. it wasn't each. you personally may have an alibi, but the c a has no. so tell him i did you have evidence that nato and ca didn't

mention? you know, i won't get into the details, but people always say in such cases, to look for someone who is interested. but in this case, we should not only look for someone who is interested, but also for someone who has capabilities. because they may be many people interested, but not all of them are capable of thinking to the bottom of the baltic sea and carrying out this explosion. these 2 components should be connected into this who's interested in who he's capable of doing. but i'm confused. i mean, that's the biggest active industrial terrorism ever. and it's the largest emission of c o 2 in, in history. okay. so if you had evidence and presumably given your security services, rental services, you would, that nato, the u. s. c, i a, the west did this. why wouldn't you present it? and when a propaganda victory,

when you put up a gun that was just looking in the order of propaganda, it is very difficult to defeat the united states. because the united states controls all the world's media and many european media, the ultimate beneficiary of the biggest european media, our american financial institutions. don't you know that? so it is possible to get involved in this work. but it is cost prohibitive, so to speak more than we can simply showing the spotlights on our sources of information. and we will not the cheat results. it is clear to the whole world what happened then? even american analysts talk about it directly. it's true. yes, i but here's the question. you able to answer it. you worked in germany. famously. the germans clearly know that there natal partner did this, but they ended in damage their economy greatly. it may never recover. why are they being silent about it? that's very confusing to me. why wouldn't the germans say something about it?

and hit so those who knew that this also confuses me to that to this. but the days german leadership is guided by the interest of the collect, the west rather than its national interest. otherwise, it is difficult to explain the logic of their action or inaction. after all, it does not only about nor to stream one, which was blown up in the north street, too was damaged. but 15, this safe and sound the gas can be supplied to europe through the germany does not open it. we are ready, please. i'm getting one doesn't have to wait till there's another router. truth. poland called the amal europe, which also allows for large flo nolan has closed it, but poland pecks from the german hand. it receives money from the pen european funds, and germany is the main donor to the spend your pin funds. germany feeds poland to the certain extent. and they close their route to germany. why?

i don't understand ukraine to which the germans supply weapons and give money to germany is the 2nd sponsor of the united states in terms of financial aid to ukraine. they are 2 gas routes through ukraine. they simply closed one route to do training session. opened the 2nd route, then please get gas from russia, greens. they do not open it. could you spell that much? why don't the german say? ok, look guys, we give you money and weapons. open up the volume. please let the gas from bruship pass true for us. we're buying liquefied gas it exorbitant prices in europe, the, the images and in the us which brings the level of our competitiveness and economy in general down to 0. so do you want us to give you money? you simply let us have the decent existence they can make money for our economy because this isn't worth the money we give you comes from which you they refuse to

do. so why? to ask one of these, these, that is what is like in their head. so those are highly incompetent. people who, well, maybe the world is breaking into 2 hemispheres. one of the chief energy, the other without. and i want to ask you that if you for now multi polar world, obviously we are, can you describe the blocks of alliances who, who, who is in each side. do you think that goes to, let's go, they need to get a sense of listen, you have said that the world is breaking into 2 hemispheres. a human brain is divided into 2 hemispheres. we'll see what would you consider to be able to create one is responsible for one type of activities. the other one is more about creativity and so on would be the. but it is still one and the same head. she, there will should be a single ho, security should be shared the rather than the meant for the golden 1000000000 suite . you, you put it. that is the only scenario where the world could be stable,

sustainable, and predictable, until then. well, they had to split into barts. it is an illness, a serious adverse condition because it is a period of severe disease that the world is going through now. but i think the thing so honest journalism this work is i came to work at the doctors. this could somehow be remedied. what, let's just give one example the, the us dollar, which has kind of united the world in a lot of ways, maybe not to your advantage, but certainly ours is that going away as the reserve currency to become the universal accepted currency? how have sanctions do you think changed the dollars place in the world? i think it's, it's a good be a nice good reviews just, you know, just so use the dollar is a tool of foreign policy. struggle is one of the biggest strategic mistakes made by the u. s. political leadership rules. it's

a small us move mine who she's still so shy to the dollar is the cornerstone of the united states and power. i think everyone understands very well that no matter how many dollars are printed there quickly dispersed all over the world. i'm the process of putting a teach date as to what the uh, the, you mean with this issue? absolutely. inflation in the united states is minimal. it's about 3 or 3.4 percent, which is, i think, totally acceptable for the us. but they won't stop printing it the what does the death of $33.00 trillion dollars tell us about it is about the mission capital. good. go to go with stipulation is because we're doing of quite you just put me on the never the less it is the main weapon used by the united states to preserve its power across the world. as soon as the political leadership decided to use the us

dollar as a tool of political struggle, a blow was built to this american power. i would like to use any strong language, but it is a stupid thing to do in a grave mistake. just more than just a price quote. right? sure. all right, so you've got to look at what is going on in the world. even the united states allies are now downsizing, their dollar research. seeing this, everyone starts looking for ways to protect themselves. but the fact that the united states applies restrictive measures to certain countries, such as placing restrictions on transactions, freezing assets, etc, causes great concern and sends a signal to the whole world. not what i see. what then we have here until 2022, about 80 percent of russian foreign trade transactions were made in us dollars and euro's a legit to use dollars accounted for approximately 50 percent of our

transactions with 3rd countries. well, currently it is down to 13 percent. it wasn't knows who the band, the use of the us dollar for ship being an issue. how could i get, you know, what, i shut the door. we had no such intention. it was decision of the united states to restrict our transactions and us dollars. i think it is complete formation is from the point of view of the interest of the united states itself and its taxpayers. as it damages the u. s. economy undermines the power of the united states across the world to by the way, out in sections. and you are accounted for about 3 percent just peach duty, but it's in today. 34 percent of our transactions are mated roubles, and a belt as much a little over 34 percent and you on is that you, i'm singular stuff they. so why did the united states do this?

my only guess is self can see they've probably thought that but really to full collapse but nothing collapse more over. other countries including oil producers, are thinking of and already accepting payments for oil in us. so you even realize what is going on or not. what does anyone in the united states realizing is interesting, understand what are you doing? you're cutting yourself off. i mean, oh, experts say there's like some doors to ask any intelligent and thinking person in the united states, what the dollar means for the us when you're killing it with your own hands. the way i think that's a fact that i think there's a fair assessment. the question is, what comes next page? and maybe you trade one colonial power for another much less sentimental and forgiving colonial power mean, or is the, the, the bricks for example, in danger of being completely dominated by the chinese,

the chinese economy. you know way this not good for their sovereignty to worry about that. it it just especially and then we have heard those boogie men stories before it was, it is a big game and story where neighbors with china because you cannot choose neighbors just as you can to choose close relatives. we share a border of 1000 kilometers with thing. this is number one. second, we have a centuries long history of co existence where use. 3rd, china's foreign policy philosophy is not aggressive. its idea is to always look for a compromise and we can see that the most of the next point is as follows. where always is still the same boogie men story. and here it goes again through in youth and mystic form, but it is still the same booby human story. the cooperation with china keeps

increasing. the face of which china cooperation with europe is growing, is higher and greater than that of the growth of chinese russian cooperation. ask europeans on the freight. they might be, i don't know yet, but they are still trying to access china as market at all costs, especially now that they are facing economic problems. he gets a chinese businesses are also exploring the european market. the chinese businesses of small presence in the united states. yes, the political decisions are such that they are trying to limit their blah peroration with china. it's it is through your own detriment, mister tucker, that you are limiting cooperation with china. you will, you are hurting yourself. it is a delicate matter, and there are no silver bullet solutions, just as it is with the dollars here. you. so before introducing any illegitimate

sanctions, illegitimate in terms of the charter of the united nations. one should think very carefully for decision makers, this appears to be a problem. so you said a moment ago that the world would be a lot better if it weren't broken into competing alliances if there was cooperation globally. well, one of the reasons you don't have that is because the current american administration is dead set against you. do you think if there were a new administration after joe biden, that you would be able to reestablish communication with the us government? or does it not matter who the president is a shift schedule. nope. does that question a no show, but i will tell you. but let me finish the previous thought. we together with my colleague and friend, president g thing being set the goal to reach $200000000000.00 of mutual trade with china. this year. we have exceeded this level of this according to our fingers,

our bilateral trade with china. so tools already $213000000000.00, and the chinese statistics says it is $240000000000.00, which is one more important thing. our trade is well balanced, mutually complimentary and hide sec, energy, scientific research and development. it is very balanced, which as for bricks wherever russia took over the presidency this year, the brooks countries are by and large, developing very rapidly. a look if memory serves me right back in 1992, the share of the g 7 countries in the world economy amounted to 47 percent. whereas in 2022 it was down to i think, a little over 30 percent. you gotta work on the yellow. the bricks countries

accounted for only 16 percent in 1992. but now their share is greater than that of the g 7. it has nothing to do with the events in ukraine. this is due to the trends of global development and world economy, as i mentioned just now. and this is inevitable. this will keep happening. it is like the rise of the sun. you cannot prevent the sun from rising. you have to adapt to it. you said we can, how do the united states with them? with the help of force, sanctions, pressure, bomb bangs, and use of armed forces. this is about self conceits. your political establishment does not understand that the world is changing under objective circumstances. and in order to preserve your level, even if someone aspires pardon me to the level of dominance, you have to make the right decisions in the competence and timely manner. such

brutal actions, including with regard to russia and say, other countries are counter productive. this is an obvious fact, it has already become evidence that i need. so what do you think? you just asked me if another leader comes and changes something. it is not about the leader. it is not about the personality of a particular person. it's like i had a very good relationship with the say, bush, i know that in the united states, if he was for tre, there's some kind of a country boy who does not understand what you should know, but i assure you that this is not the case. i think he made a lot of mistakes with regard to russia to what i told you about 2008 and a decision in bucharest to open the nato's doors to for ukraine and so on. that happened during his presidency. he actually exercised pressure on the europeans, but in general, on the personal human level, i had

a very good relationship with him. he was no worse than any other american or russian or european politician. i assure you he understood what he was doing as well as others. you might have such a personal relationship with trump as well, but it is not about the personality of the leader. it is about the leads mine. since you you must stay in you. if the idea of domination at any cost based also on forceful actions dominates the american society, nothing will change. it will only get worse than usual. but if in the end one comes to the awareness that the world has been changing to the objective circumstances and the other one should be able to adapt to them in time is using the advantages that the us still has today. and perhaps something may change,

a lot of money to join us economy has become the 1st economy in the world and purchasing power parity in terms of volume. it's over to the us a long time ago. the usa comes 2nd then in the one and a half 1000000000 people. and then japan with russia in the 5th place. it was still a rush. it was the 1st account to me in europe last year despite all the sanctions and restrictions, or is it normal from your point of view, sanctions restrictions g, impossibility of payments in dollars being cut off from swift services, sanctions against our ships carrying oil company sanctions against airplanes, things somebody, sanctions in everything, everywhere that we make sure that goes to something unique. that sort of thing is that the largest number of sanctions in the world which are applied are applied against russia. and we have become europe's 1st economy during this time. no, no, there's a bundle with the tools that us uses don't work with. well,

one has to think about what to do. if this realization comes to the ruling leads, then yes, then the 1st person of the state will act in anticipation of what the voters and the people who make decisions and various levels expect from this person. then maybe something will change you're describing to different systems. you say that the leader acts in the interest of the voters, but you also say these decisions are not made by the leader. they're made by the ruling classes. you've run this country for so long, you know, and always american presence. what are those power centers in, in the united states? do you think? like, who actually makes the decisions? you're just not, it's, i mean, you can source and instead of month, okay, which and some of these don't consider why do you, i don't know america is a complex country. i'm a rubber conservative on one hand, rapidly changing on the other. and i think it's so easy for us to sort it all out

woman who makes decisions in the elections. is it possible to understand this when each state has its own legit solution? each state regulates itself. some one can be excluded from elections of the state level. it is a 2 stage electoral system. yes, it is very difficult for us to understand that part of you. certainly, there are 2 parties that are dominant. the republicans and the democrats. and within this party system, the centers that make decisions that prepare decisions for them. some of the to then look to why in my opinion, after the collapse of the soviet union such and their own is proved, completely unjustified policy of pressure was pursued against russia that we, after all, this is a policy of pressure. nato expansion support for the separatist and congress's, the creation of a missile defense system. these are all elements of pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, and then dragging ukraine into nato is all about the pressure pressure

pressure, which people why mean? which means, i think among other things, because excessive production capacity is recreate that during the confrontation with the soviet union, there were many sensors created and specialists on the soviet union who could not do anything else that convinced the political leadership that it is necessary to continue chiseling russia to try to break it up to create on this territory several clauses. i state entities and to subdue them in a divided for him to use their combined potential for the future struggle with china. this is a mistake, including the excessive potential of those who worked for the confrontation with the soviet union. and it is necessary to get rid of this. there should be new, fresh forces, people who will look into the future and understand what is happening in the world

. what would that look at? how indonesia is developing must be switched over 600000000 people work and we get away from nowhere. we just have to assume that the indonesia will answer. it is already in the club of the world's leading economies, no matter who likes it or dislike. so coming to the queue. yes, we understand and are aware that in the united states, despite all they can amik problems, the situation is still normal with the economy growing decently. the g d b is growing by 2.5 percent if i'm not mistaken. but if we want to insure the future, then we need to change your approach to what is changing. as i already said, the world was never the less change, regardless of how the developments in ukraine and the world is changing. in the united states themselves, experts are writing that the united states are none the less gradually changing their position in the world. it is,

you are experts who write that i just read them. the only question is how this would happen painfully and quickly or gently and gradually been seen. and this is written by people who are not anti american. they simply follow global development trends. that's it. and in order to assess them and change policies, we need people who think look forward can analyze and recommend certain decisions at the level of political leaders. i just have to ask, you've said clearly that nato expansion, where it is a violation of the promise you were made in the 19 it's, it's a threat to your country. right before you send troops in to ukraine. the vice president nighted states with munich security conference and encouraged the president of ukraine to join nato. do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military actions? my goal is to ensure the semester when the got cut off and them the got cut up. and

luckily i repeat, once again, we have repeatedly repeatedly propose to seek a solution to the problems that arose and ukraine up to 2014 with the tongue to a peaceful means. but no one listened so, so and more over the ukrainian leaders who were under the complete us control southern lead declared that they would not comply with the men's could agreements. they disliked everything there and continued military activity in the territory, sla floor. that's why union city police and that was community and so forth. but the, the, i usually a nation extent and in peril the territory was being exploited by nate. so military structures under the guise of various personal training and retraining centers. they essentially begun to create basis there. that's all the ukraine announced that the russians were a non pitch alert. nationality. well massing the laws that limit the rights of non

official or nationalities in ukraine. and what did you see you were ukraine having received all the south eastern territories as a gift from the russian, people suddenly announced that the russians were a non pitcher, learned nationality in that territory. is that normal, visible? the shooting? you know, it, could i teach like all this put together let to the decision. so in the war that neo nazi started in ukraine in 2014 do you do you think so once he has the freedom to negotiate a settlement to this conflict? i don't know the details so of course it's difficult for me to judge but i believe he has in any case he used to have his father fought against the fascist nazis during world war 2 to i once talked to him about this. i said, lord, you,

what are you doing? why are you supporting neo nazis and ukraine today? while your father fought against fascism? he was a front line soldier. no, i will not tell you when he answered. this is a separate topic and i think it's incorrect for me to do so with us to the freedom of choice. why not? he came to bar on the expectations of ukrainian people that he would lead ukraine speaks. we had talked about this, it was mobile thinks that is that he won the elections over roaming, leach. then when he came to power, in my opinion, he realized 2 things. which firstly, it is better not to clash with neo nazis and the nationalist because they are aggressive and very active here. you can expect anything from them. and secondly, the u. s. lead west supports them and will always support those who inside united with russia and that it is beneficial and safe. so he took the relevant position

despite promising his people. so and the war in ukraine. he just saved his voters. but do you think at this point as of february 2024, he has the latitude, the freedom to speak with you were in government directly about putting the vendor district clearly isn't helping his country for the world. can he do that? do you think, i, you know, when you have to punch it, she might not love this advice. he considers himself like that of stations and what he won the election. that's what was the do it yourself though, we believe in russia that the could the dog is the primary source of a power for everything that have been dr. 2014 through shit. i'm and in the sense even today government, this blog with some christy will piece but he considers himself the president and he is recognized by the united states to move all of europe and practically the rest of the world in such a capacity. why not the good he can, this is no, i'm with when we negotiated with ukraine and assemble and we agreed to try me and he was aware of this, this one of the more over the negotiation group leader,

mr. or can me, is his last name, or should i believe still has the faction of the ruling party, right. do you want to the party of the president in the rod who still has the presidential affection in the raw? the country's problem in this case still sits there, and he even put his preliminary signature on the document. i am telling you that you would then keep publicly stated. so the whole world. and we were ready to sign this document by mr. johnson and then the prime minister, oscar, which you regular website came into. so a to those from doing this, let's say it was better to bite russia. they would give everything needed for us to return what was lost during the clashes on the furniture. and we agreed with this proposal below his statement has been published. he said publicly to what was on using the return to this or not. so what was the question is, do they want it or not show this for you as young for their own president, ukraine issued a degree and somebody has a, can you go she ations with us?

what questions i mean with, with him cancelled that things ready on the customers. and that's, it was not the way i've never refused to go to washington, please. and when you have cousin, we're here all the time is rushed already. not because the yes we have not refused . it was then who publicly refused to play it well, let him cancel his decrees during you and answer going to negotiations the but we have never refused to use the really good pertaining to johnson and the fact that they update the demand or persuasion of mr. johnson, the former prime minister of great britain, seems ridiculous, and i'm very sad to me because that's what i'm of mr. are a come me a put in a we could have stopped also still it these with more a year and a half ago already. you might that the but the british persuaded us and we refuse the promotion. where is mister johnson now? and the war continues? that's a good question. where do you think he is and why did he do the plan?

pretty and it wasn't that just your present. you pretty much what your hell? no. let's assume the i don't understand it myself, but i see you more than that because there was a general starting point. for some reason. everyone had the illusion that rush, it could be defeated on the battlefield. a just that we have to not because of arrogance because of a pure heart, but not because of a great mind. you've described the connection between russia and ukraine. you've just got russia itself a couple of times as orthodox that's central to your understanding of rush. like you said, you're at work docs. what does that mean in for you? your a christian leader by your own description. so what effect does that have on you, as you know, as i already mentioned, then 988 these with, with some friends of a lot in there himself, was baptized. and following the example of his grandmother,

we're francis olga. then he baptized because this one and then gradually over the course of several years, he baptized all the routes you. it was a lengthy process from vegas to christian know kind of so many years or how do i fly to it was put in the, in this orthodoxy eastern christianity, deeply rooted itself in the consciousness of the russian people that i see under shameless when russia expand and then absorbed other nations who profess islam. it is and 2 days in russia has always been very loyal to those people who are profession, other religions. this is her strength. kimberly, this is like absolutely clear with them. and the fact is that the main portion of this, i mean the values are very similar, not to say the same in all the world. the religions i've just mentioned you then which are the traditional religions of the russian federation. any russian i see is good, figured out, see what i see the bus by the way, russian on north. these were always very care if i want to know the culture and the

religion of those people who came into the russian empire or at the, at the few this, in my opinion, it forms the basis of both security and stability in the russian states. it's different, i don't know all the people's inhabiting russia basically consider their mothers gonna say people move over to you or to europe from life in america, and even clearer and more understandable example, should the people come but the say have come to you or to european countries from the historical homeless to the, you know, people who professed different religions in russia, considered russia their mother language. they have no other mother unless we use that he just go to again, they're going and even though you might be interested in, we're together. this is one big family as me and our traditional values are very similar to that. and i've just mentioned one big family, but everyone has his or her own family. you said this is the basis of our society.

and if we say that the mother land and the family are specifically connected with each other. yes, let me go ahead and start ordering that issue. yeah, it is indeed the case since it is impossible to ensure a normal future for children and our families unless we insure a normal, sustainable future for the entire country for the motherland system. that is why the patriarch sentiment is so strong and russian now the to the one way in which the religions are different is that christianity is specifically a non violent religion. jesus says turn the other cheek, don't kill. how can i read or who has to kill any country? how can a leader be a christian? how do you reconcile that to yourself? what's your zip code? you said it's issued as a shriek. you see that?

so it is very easy when it comes to protecting one's self and one's family to one's homeland. she said, we won't attack any one's. we'll speak a little, especially we when did the developments ukraine start someplace? what sure seems like with the talent and they are still appeasing. dunbar has begun . that's when they start it. and we're protecting our people, any ourselves are homeless that are future. and then, you know, when you're ready, we just talked about like as for religion, in general, you'd be the lowest. let's say, you know, it's not about external manifestations. it's not about going to church every day or banging your head on the floor. just going to the one the, the, the stay it is in the heart just in the, in our culture is so human oriented in gene. that's the ascii who was very well known in the west and the genius of a russian culture, russian literature. so successful colanda about this, about the russian,

so we'll get you to kind of get you to on the with wish i, i vision them, have a domain which i assume list after all. right? western societies, more pragmatic russians, people think more about the turnover and about moral values. we're putting in my kitchen. i don't know, maybe you want to agree with me, but it's western culture is more pragmatic. that off to request more than just know what she wouldn't, you know, at the more felt on the out. i'm not saying this is bad. it makes it possible for today's golden 1000000000 to achieve good success and production even in science and so on them with what are you good, uh, what do you mind your mac or no? there's nothing wrong with that. i'm just saying that we kind of look the same diminishing but all right, so do you see the supernatural at work is you look out across what's happening in the world. now? do you see god at work? do you ever think to yourself these are forces that are not human

then you have to adjust that we're looking into more no more. i don't know. to be honest. i don't think so. it was the right way and looked at my opinion, is that the development of the world community is in accordance with the inherent laws. and those laws are what they are willing to the choice it's. it's always being this way in the history of named congress. some nations and countries rose became stronger and more numerous and then less the international stage losing the status. they had the custom to ping it, punishing that. there's probably no need for me to give examples, but we could start with the game is hon. and the court conquers the golden horse and then, and with the roman empire, jewish discussions, it seems that there has never been anything like the roman empire in the history of mankind. though, lot of what it was to be in the copy. it was never the less the potential of the barbarians gradually grew as that their population. in general,

the barbarians were getting stronger and begun to develop economically as we would say today. and then we just came to the new people. yes. this eventually led to the original lapse of the roman empire and the regime imposed by the roman. it's lucky it is a practical ever. it took 5 centuries for the roman empire to fall apart. see what your needs and thoughts see a difference with whether it's happening now. let's this easy mean is that all the processes of change are happening at the much faster pace than enrollment science. so when does the empire start, do you think? yeah, so we're, we're, we're asking for you singly more complicated questions to answer them. you need to be an expert then big number goes to big data in a, i least don't. and then can i, and it's currently facing many threats. we do new to the genetic researches. so it

is now possible to create this super human, a specialized human being. a genetically engineered acetate scientists, military man, is not their records that the loan laws had already had. the chip implanted in there. pretty much it raining. the usaa moscow video was a cheap, almost to go with the choice. what do you think of that? no musket. the other much the most cost? well, i think there is no stopping alone, musk he will do as he sees it, never the less you need to find some common ground with him. search for ways to persuade him and i think he's a smart person. i truly believe he is not, and so you'll need to reach an agreement with him because there's a process needs to be formalized and subjected to certain rules. so to avoid what if i need some of these? so let's begin with the 2. maybe you should meet your knowledge. do me to give you

a few minutes. he has to consider what is going to happen due to the newest development in genetic science. some more in a i was going to make an approximate prediction of what will happen and was so we will. so she stood one you what the exit on the doors. you see, unless you need a blood it to the once many kinds of cell, the clinics, essential threats coming from nuclear weapons. all nuclear nations begins to come to terms with one another, things that i realized that this would be a negligent use of nuclear weapons already to dr. young man and cancer extension. we're still going to you again, the answer. can you be sure on 70 minutes? no, but when you call us minus coupling us, it is impossible to stop researching genetics or hey, i today, just as it was impossible to stop the use of gunpowder either. back in the day, you see the one you've set on the bench at least a bunch of stupid girls they say. but as soon as we realize that the threat comes from unbridled and uncontrolled development of a, i go way to or genetics, or any other field,

the time will come to reach an international agreement on how to regulate these things. i, i, i, i appreciate all the time i, you've given us. i'm just gonna ask you one last question and that's about some of these very famous nice dates. probably not here. evan grows. cadets who's the wall street journal reporter. he's 32. and he's been in prison for almost a year. this is a huge store in united states, and i just want to ask you directly without getting into the tails over to your version of what happened if as a sign of your decency, you'd be willing to release him to us and will bring him back to the united states mostly because he will, is rest of the year. if somebody goes to moisture police shooting, we have done so many gestures of goodwill out of decency that they think we have run out of them as one yet. you know, we have never seen anyone there was super k to us in a similar manner to. however,

in theory, we can say that we do not rule well that we can do that and it's gonna share your thoughts to move more from the day for our partners taking reciprocal steps. station of the usually is a settlement issue. when i talk about the partners, i 1st of all refer to special services and to tell you things between special services are in contact with one another. they are talking about the matter in question, not to but you should get there is no, it's a boot to settle. this issue that we're willing to solve is if you're gonna know fluid. but there are certain terms being discuss device, special services channel, a significant come out when you have a good source for me. i believe an agreement can be reached by so typically, i mean this stuff has happened for obviously centuries. one country catches under spied within its borders. it trades it for one of his own entail guys in another country. i think it's not my business, but what makes this difference is the guys,

obviously not as high as a kid. and maybe he was breaking your law in some way, but he's not a super spy, and everybody knows that. and he's being held hostage. an exchange which is true with respect is true, never knows is true. so maybe he's in a different category. maybe it's not fair to ask for, you know, somebody else in exchange for letting him out. maybe it degrades russia to do that . let you know, couple of within the body shop which you watched. and you know, you can give a different interpretations to what constitutes a spine which you're taking, but there are certain things provided by law, if person gets and secrets information and does that in conspiratorial manner. and then this is a qualified as espionage issue. and that is exactly what he was doing and he was receiving classified and confidential information. and he did cover police that wouldn't maybe he did that out of carolyn west or his own initiative by someone

considering the sheer fact that this is qualified as a spin origin. is funny, the fact has been proven as he was called the right handed when he was receiving this information. if it had been some far fetched excuse as an application, something not proven. it would have been a different story than seeking it, but he was called read him. the one who knew it was a secret. we getting confidential information. i'm not sure what isn't data, but are you suggesting who was working for the was government or nato, or he was just a reporter who was given material. he wasn't supposed to have the seem like very different, very different things use not just learning to go on, you know, for 30 issues. i don't know, full, he was working for guns, protected him. but i would like to reiterate that i'm getting classified information in secret to as cold as we all know. and he was working for the us special services, some other agencies with the oh,

i don't think he was working for monaco as monica always hardly interested in getting that information. just it is up to a special services to come to an agreement. nation. you see some grounds where it has being lazed. there are people who in review are not connected with special service use. thing are stuck with me. tell you a story about a person serving a sentence in an ally country of the us. so, but actually you can see the person you're, the patriarch sentiments illuminated the band in one of the european capital smell email. so we can look up during the events in the caucasus. do you know what he was doing? which simulate no, i mean, i don't want to say that that i will do it anyway. he was laying our soldiers taken prisoner on the road and then drove his car over their heads. what kind of person is not doing it?

you like, can he even be called human jewels to put through a couple of really good, you know, let me see what it is. but there was a patriot who eliminated him and one of the european capitals 30, you mean you were there? he did it of his own volition or not. that is a different question. if i were looking at what's on the ad, i mean that's a completely different. i mean, i mean, is it telling you your role like the okay come and do something different. a list of normally, samples didn't stay shifted as long as he's not just like a journalist and the rates are right. he's a journalist who is a secret way of getting confidential information. could you preferably yes, it is different, but still fun talking about other people for essentially controls by the us. so authorities, wherever they are serving to send things you do to you, there is an ongoing dialogue between the special services. this has to be resolved in a calm, responsible, and professional manner. they're keeping in touch, so let them do their work job. i do not roll out the person you are referred to. mr

. garcia events may return to his mother later. by the end of the day, it does not make any sense to keep him in prison. in russia, we want the us special services, the think about how they can contribute to achieving the goals or special services are pursuing the problem. we are ready to talk more over. the dogs are on their way . and there have been many successful examples of the stocks crowned with success. probably this is going to be crowned with success as well. it doesn't have to go with it, but we have to come to an agreement that will be let them out is present. thank you. give me a call. i also want him to return to his home and the glass. i'm absolutely sincere on that. let me say once again, the dialog continues on the left,

the more public we render things of this nature, the more difficult it becomes to resolve them. so everything has to be done in calling them, and i wonder if it's, i wonder if that certainly with the war though also, i mean i just want to, i guess i want to ask one more question, which is and maybe you don't want to say so for strategic reasons, but are you worried that what's happening in ukraine could lead to something much larger and much more horrible? and how motivated are you used to call the us government and say, what's come to terms of, do you have risk of? no, i already said that we did not refuse to talk. we're willing to negotiate. it is the western side, but, and ukraine is obviously a satellite space of the us. it is evident. i do not want you to take it as if i'm looking for a strong worth or and then sonya this company,

but we both understand what is happening. you know, so we'll put yes was what was she was the mean, the financial support. 72000000000. you was dollars was provided germany ring 2nd, then other european countries come a girl only purple, dozens of billions of us dollars are going through. your great thing is to play it . there's extremely influx of weapons cuz we do, in this case, you should tell the current to praying in leadership to stop and come to negotiate thing tables, resend this absurd decree just because you go way we. we did nothing. you said? sure. but you already said that i didn't think you meant it as an insulting, as you've already said correctly. it's been reported that ukraine was prevented from negotiating a peace settlement by the former british prime minister, acting on behalf of the binding ministry since a pressure of satellite. the countries control small countries that's not new. and that's why i asked about dealing directly with the binding ministration, which is making these decisions non presidents wednesday or from crane

a yes, this mistrust agent is going on going up, cuz also be to go or. yep. stuff. well, if there is a lensky administration in ukraine refused to negotiate. i assume they did it under the instruction from washing machine washington to leave. so it should be the wrong decision and even the let it amend it, let it find a delicate excuse so that no one is in. so let it come up with the way out. wish i knew it was not us who made this decision. it was them sure. so let them go back on what i needed for that as good luck and the issue. however, they made the wrong decision. and now we have to look for way out of the situation to correct them is if they did it. so let them correct in themselves. we support this. so i just wanna make sure i'm not misunderstanding what you're saying. i don't think of them. i think you're saying you want a negotiated settlement to what's happening and you

know, right. and there's really simple and we made it, we prepared the huge document that is stumble. that was initialed by the head of view radians on vacation when he had fixed his signature to some of the provisions . and that's to all of it they, he put a signature and then he himself said to my, we were ready to sign it and the where would that be over a long ago? we did have 2 months that i got you right now. most of ever prime minister johnson, can you talk to is out of it and with misled chances? well, you missed it. she made a mistake receiving you, let them get back to them. that's about as well. why do we have to bother ourselves and correct somebody else's mistakes? and no one can say it is our mistake in life. it was us who i should have intensified the situation. and besides, it took me with an end to the war and then started to think 2014 and dunbar. as i have already said by means of weapons. and then the with me good maximum, you know,

further in history. i already told you of this going on with furniture. we were just discussing the room. let us go back to 1991 when we were promised that nato would not expand issue with went to 2008 when the doors to an 8 to oakland, to the declaration of state sovereignty of the crane declaring ukraine, a neutral state, almost to let us go back to the fact that nato and us military bases and we started to appear on the territory ukraine, reading threats to a hosting issue. let us go back to the crew to tell in ukraine in 2014 is missing. it is pointless though, isn't it? when they go back and forth endlessly, but they stops negotiations. ship, is it a mistake? yes. correct it, my god. we're ready. what else is needed? do you think it's too humiliating at this point for nato to accept russian control of what was 2 years ago? ukrainian territory. all right,

yeah. i know. i said let them think how to do it with dignity your. there are options if there is a will. randy's nature cuz there's really up until now there is being the uproar and screaming a bell to inflict thing is strategic defeat on russia on the model. fail system each cooperation yet i see, but as being and now they are apparently coming to realize that it is difficult to achieve if possible at all. in my opinion, it is impossible, by definition. it is never going to happen next. so it seems to me that now those who are in power in the west have come to realize this as well as other than your visual. but if so, if the realization has set in, they have to think what to do next or we're ready for this dialogue. would you be willing to say, congratulations, nato, you one and just keep the situation where it is now.

what was made to the big mit begin. what of, you know, it is a subject matter for the negotiations. no one is willing to conduct or support it more accurately. fishing is cuz i do. yeah. they're willing yeah. but do not know how to do it. you know, they want certain life. it is not just a c and, but i know they do want that. they're struggling to understand how to do it. they have driven the situation to the point where we are at it is not us who have done that. it is our partners for opponents who have done that. well. now let then thing how to reverse the situation. we're not against it. it would be funny if it were not so sad that we're little bit of mix nicely when you will have this endless mobilization and ukraine. the hysteria then domestic problems, sooner or later it will result in agreement is to you to get them or nothing you

but i'm, you know, this probably sounds strange given the current situation. so i don't know, believe it. but the relations between the 2 peoples will be rebuilt anyway originally, so i suppose which it will take a lot of time, but they will heal most i'm but they would some degree me. i'll give you very unusual examples. so she and they're doing. yup. yup. virginia, there is a combat thing counter on the world here, specific example, a great in soldier's government. circled. this is an example from real life crazed . our soldiers were shouting to them and there is no chance. surrender yourselves come out and you will be alive. and that sort of thing, could you suddenly the ukrainian soldiers were squealing like from there and russian, perfect russian saying to the russians, do not surrender competitor from those. and all of them perishing as they use they

still identify themselves as russian. but hosting this yesterday, which was mostly just what is happening is through a certain extent, an element of a civil war. you see everyone in the west, things that the russian people have been. so you live by his meals these forever are associated. now they will be re united. yeah. they unity is still there. will see you in your possession. i know you called me. why are the ukranian authorities dismantling they ukrainian orthodox church group? i was calling to check because it brings together and not only the territory i need to do, it brings together ourselves. no one will be able to separate the so shall we end here or is there anything else?

no, i think that's great. i assume. thank you miss presence 1st page is bigger than any one person or any one oregon. the societies are defined by what they will not watch. it is the total inversion of virtue.