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>> we begin with the breaking news in an ongoing war between israel and hamas. secretary of state, anthony blinken, made a surprise visit to a in the west bank today where he met with palestinian authority president, mahmoud abbas. throughout his visit to the region, blinken has been hearing calls from arab nations for an immediate cease fire. something israel has rejected. secretary's trip to the west bank comes as israeli warplanes strike a refugee camp in the west bank local time, kylian at least 40 people and wounding dozens others according to hamas health officials. nbc news could not independently verify the number of deaths reported. meanwhile, hamas is claiming 60 hostages have been killed as a result of israeli airstrikes in gaza. a spokesperson for hamas's military wing said that the bodies of 23 hostages remain,

quote, buried under rubble. according to israel, hamas took 240 hostages. 33 of them children, during its attack on october 7th. so far, four hostages have been released, and one has been rescued. joining me now, nbc news four's correspondent, josh lederman, in israel. josh, what more do we know about the secretary surprise visit to the west bank? >> well, jonathan, the secretary woke up in jordan this morning, flew back to israel where he was yesterday, and made the secret trip across the border into the west bank where he met for about an hour the palestinian authority headquarters with president mahmoud abbas. blinken didn't make any public comments while he was in the occupied west bank, but we did hear more information from the state department about what they discuss. the spokesman say that blinken made clear that there will be no relocation of palestinians, forcibly, out of the gaza

strip. that appears to be a reference to an elite documents a few days ago from an israeli government agency that talked about moving 2 million palestinians from the gaza strip into egypt, something that has provided, or triggered a lot of condemnation, but the israeli government said is simply in the early discussions. blinken also told the palestinian authority leader that he wanted to work on and in extremist violence against palestinians in the west bank, which appears to be a reference to a jewish settlers in the west bank who have been committing several acts of violence, and documented this since the war started. then blinken also said that the u.s. remains committed to a palestinian state, ultimately, for the palestinians. this was an important visit for him, because if you remember just a few weeks ago, blinken was supposed to meet with the palestinian leader, along with president biden at that major summit and jordan that got canceled after that explosion at that hospital the palestinians blamed on israel. this is really the first chance for blinken to sit down in ramallah with the leader of the

palestinian authority to try to deal with some of this violence. >> josh, secretary blinken is called for humanitarian across throughout this region, but netanyahu has said no. what is the prime minister's explanation? >> well, his argument is, look, in a war, you try to build up momentum against your enemy. that is exactly what israel has been doing. there is no reason, strategically, to have any kind of a pause in the fighting. i spoke with the senior lawmaker from netanyahu's party, former israeli ambassador to the united nations, danny did know, about all these calls for the u.s. for a, pause take a listen to what he had to say. >> is the u.s. putting too much public pressure on israel and what it should and shouldn't do? >> no, we respect our allies, but at the end of the day, we are fighting for our lives. we are fighting against evil. we understand that it's going to be long, painful, and we have to go all the way.

so we cannot stop in the middle. >> jonathan despite the fact that netanyahu and his allies, like ambassador juneau, have made clear that they don't foresee any pauses in the fighting, u.s. officials do still believe that there is some room for negotiation, for encouraging israel on that front. in fact, president biden asked a reporter last night while he was in delaware whether he was making any progress and securing this humanitarian pause with the u.s. president saying he is making progress. jonathan. >> josh lederman in israel. thank you very much for that report. joining me now for more on the relief effort, currently underway in gaza, ambassador cindy mccain. director of the world food programme. ambassador mccain, welcome back to the sunday show. you released a statement today making an urgent plea for safe, expanded humanitarian access to gaza. what are you and your aid workers seen on the ground?

>> well, it's a catastrophe inside. were unable to get enough food trucks and so what is occurring on the other side starvation. as you know, a huge lack of water, a lack of fuel. people are in dire straits across the border. what i'm asking for, pleading for, is the ability to get more trucks in in a safe manner, and one that is quick and efficience. we can't wait any longer. these people are going to die. so i would like the world, and pleading to the world, please help us get our trucks in. >> as people can hear, the cars in the horns, some trucks, behind you you're joining us from cairo. you have been able to get some of your aid trucks into gaza from egypt, through the rafah crossing. and you meet with president al-sissi and other officials there, what reasons have they given for not allowing more trucks into gaza?

>> well, we are working with the egyptian red crescent. we are here to support them. it's been complicated. it's a complicated situation. what's happening now is that they are listening to us, and they are telling us that they are going to help make this a quicker process, one that is much more efficient, allowing way more trucks in the what we're getting right now. good meetings with them. >> that is actually great to hear, ambassador. once aid is allowed into gaza, how are you able to make sure that those resources get to where they need to go? >> well, we've had an operation in gaza for many years. are people that are on the grounds are not only tuned into what's going on, but they know the players. so in any war zone, and i can't tell you that 100% of the aid is going to go where it's supposed to go, but with the implementation, what are people

do, are tracking and tracing methods, we have a good chance of being sure that it goes to where supposed to go. >> prime minister netanyahu has continued to resist calls for the united states and others for a cease-fire, or humanitarian pause, even. explain why a pause is necessary. >> well, what we want is the ability to get in, as i said, in a safe and efficient manner, when it's sustainable. so to be able to do, that we need to have safe roads to go in. we need to have the ability to get across, and the ability to move quickly. i look to our politicians to please figure this out as quickly as you can so that we can get in and help feed these people, and make sure that no more women and children starve to death. >> one of your employees, ambassador, who lives in gaza, and has lost at least seven family members gave a powerful account of their experience,

st. croix, airstrikes destroyed the area where we lived. all the infrastructure has collapsed. instead of the usual smell of gray police, we smell death. ambassador mccain, what must those of us watching this war from far away understand about the impacts of what's happening? >> well, the impact is a human toll. on every side of this. our side, as humanitarians, and for the world food programme, we must do the best we can to help people help themselves. we can't do it unless we have access. we can't do it unless we can get the necessary food items then. and the other agencies that need to get in with medicine, and, water and food that would help the small infants. things like that. this all needs to be part of the process. we're all working together, with the red crescent, i might add, people to do just that. >> one more question for you,

ambassador, are those good conversations you said earlier that you are having there in egypt, might we see more trucks heading over into gaza through the rafah crossing? soon? >> maybe today? >> i think so. i'm hoping so. as i said, we've had great meetings. i've had a great opportunity to meet the leaders here in egypt, ones that are really making good decisions. i feel very hopeful that we're going to be able to get a lot of trucks in. >> ambassador cindy mccain, executive director of the world food programme. coming to us live from the busy streets of cairo, egypt. thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. coming up, we'll go inside tuesday's bellwether elections in virginia and ohio that republicans hope will be proving grounds on the politics of abortion and crime had a 2024. congresswoman jennifer -- joins me live to discuss what

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on the ballot as millions of americans head to the polls and what could be a preview of the 2024 election. in virginia, all hundred and 40 seats in both legislative chambers are up for grabs the demographics that will be pivotal in next year's votes. swinging suburban districts that are backed away from donald trump. republicans control the state house delicate, but republican governor, glenn youngkin, is making a powerful push for republicans to reclaim control of the state senate with a seven figure ad campaign promoting a 15-week abortion ban that includes exceptions for rape and incest. all youngkin needs is for two seats to flip to the gop. abortion has been a losing issue for republicans. democrats in virginia and elsewhere are hoping voters continue that trend on tuesday. joining me now, congresswoman

jennifer mcclellan in virginia. she sits on the house armed services committee. congresswoman, welcome back to the sunday show. what are you hearing from your constituents about the upcoming elections? >> i'm hearing my constituents did not want an abortion ban. they don't want to go back on the progress we've made, on reproductive rights, voting rights, and a slew of issues when democrats were -- in particular, they're concerned about losing their rights if governor youngkin gets elected and adopted abortion ban. >> let's keep on abortion, because virginia is the only southern state that has a pass on restricting abortion benson's roe v. wade is overturned last. your ever publicans retain the state senate, and pass youngkin's 15-week abortion ban, what with that mean for reproductive health care in the south? >> well, first of, all it would mean that from new mexico to the atlantic ocean there is nowhere where you could go to get an abortion if you need one. that is particularly of concern

with health care decisions, including the decision of whether to have an abortion should be between patients and their providers, and not politicians in richmond, or in any other capital. i think that we have seen in states that have adopted abortion bans, the impact, the devastating impact it has on patients, including women who have had to go into septic shock before they could get a miscarriage management, and children that have had to travel to other states. basically, you would say, and the south if you face a health care decision, and you and your provider feel an abortion is the best choice for your particular situation, you're out of luck. >> you know, former president obama recorded calls for virginia residents. take a listen. >> i'm calling to remind you that time is running out to cast your ballot in this year's election. the people we elected the state senate and house of delegates will make decisions that affect your everyday life.

vote early now through november 4th. >> now november 4th was yesterday. election day is tuesday, so there's still time to vote. as you well know, congress woman, president obama doesn't get into just any rays. why do you think he waited until virginia's legislative race? >> because he understands what's at stake. when democrats have the trifecta in virginia, we've made progress on voting rights, lgbtq rights, worker rights, addressing climate action, addressing gun violence, and all of that progresses on the ballots. in particular, people are concerned that over two thirds of virginians wants the abortion laws to stay as they are, and less restrictive. they know that if maga republicans take over the general assembly, they will put it abortion ban in place, they will undo all the progress we have made on voting rights, and all the other issues that i just mentioned. >>governor youngkin's office announced that3400 qualified

voterser purged from the state roles. they're blaming a software issue, say it all but approximately 100 will be reinstated. what do you make of this? >> well, it's just another example of how the youngkin administration has tried to rollback access to voting. the youngkin, because youngkin's governor, all the local electoral boards are controlled by republicans. and many locations, they rolled back early voting hours, including most of them not doing sunday voting. so this is another example of every governor for the last 40 years, democrat and republican, have made it easier for overturning citizens to vote. he has made it harder, including whether it was an error not, whether it was incompetence or intentional, he has made it harder for these individuals to vote. i don't know, they told him they couldn't vote, have they told them they can vote? and days before this election. >> let's pivot to where you work, congress. your assessment of speaker mike johnson's first week.

>> well, it's been chaos and maga is all over again. he is the poster child for republicans. every bill that he has put forward has been a hyper partisan appropriations bill, or the israel aid bill, that is included poison pills. they have included poison pills that limit access to abortion and include a maga wish list. i think that we basically got to, and speaker johnson, jim jordan and his suit jacket. >> one more question for years, since you are on the house armed services committee. secretary blinken, again, today, in the region, in the middle east, called for a humanitarian pause on israel's war with hamas. prime netanyahu continues to reject. would you support cutting off aid to israel as a means to force the prime minister to take such a pause? >> the united states has not

ever conditioned aid to israel. i think that we need to continue to push as hard as we can for humanitarian aid in the area. what is happening to civilians in gaza, and in israel, is horrific. we need to do whatever we can to stem these losses. >> congresswoman jennifer mcclellan of the great commonwealth of virginia. thank, you as always, for coming to the sunday show. >> thank you. >> up next, inside the unprecedented colorado administer court cases that could keep donald trump off the ballot in those states for election 2024. professor laurence tribe breaks out of potential crossroads for the united states supreme court, and how it might interpret the 14th amendment argument. stay with us. stay with us

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before the supreme court that trump should be disqualified from running for president. the lawsuit alleged he violated section three of the 14th amendment, which states that 81 who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against a constitution actors who are idle to defend dead, is ineligible to hold office. a similar cases being heard in colorado with witness testimony wrapping up in a jennifer court run this week. trump's lawyers try to get the case thrown out by claiming that trump's words and actions surrounding the january 6th attack were protected by the first amendment. judge syrup wallace denied that motion. closing arguments were slated for november 15th. the judge is expected to make a decision 48 hours after that. this historic and unprecedented challenge to donald trump's second white house bid could ultimately end up before the u.s. supreme court. then what? joining me now, lawrence tribe, professor at harvard law school, and coauthor up to end the

presidency, the power of impeachment. professor, welcome back to the sunday show. what stands out to you in colorado and minnesota? are they strong cases for disqualifying trump? >> i think both of them are very strong cases, jonathan. they seemed quite abstract until the evidence was presented. as it was presented, the power of the argument, that the constitution means what it says, that those who take an oath to support it, and that, engage in rebellion or insurrection against sets, against the constitution, cannot be trusted to hold office again. all of the arguments that it's too difficult to enforce all of this began to dissolve before our eyes during the hearing in colorado, the arguments in minnesota. >> you recently coauthored a piece in usa today where you

point out that the burden of the decision will ultimately lands at the steps of the supreme court. the justices will, quote, face a crossroad. explain that crossroad. >> well the crossroad will be whether they are prepared to take the constitution at its word. they're being told that it is undemocratic to take someone off the ballots, but of course, what is on democratic is what the insurrectionists, against the constitution, or doing. those who try to take the constitution down, or in donald trump's words, just as recently as last december, terminate the constitution, the other ones are threatening democracy. the disqualification clause of the 14th amendment protects democracy by not giving those who try to destroy the constitution, and fail, another opportunity to do exactly that.

the court will face that possibility at the same time, it will face the difficulty of taking the constitution seriously and saying to donald trump that you are disqualified. in the end, it is going to be up to the nine justices of the supreme court. they will have before them a detailed, factual record from the hearing in colorado. they will also have before them decision by the highest court in minnesota, followed by whatever factual record is developed in that case. the question will be, are they looking to take the constitution seriously, or take the risk that that important protection in the constitution and will no longer have meaning? it's not going to be an easy time at the u.s. supreme court. >> let me jump on that. why shouldn't it be an easy time at the supreme court? i say that because i'm jumping on something you said earlier

about the court. are they prepared to take the constitution at its word? i have spent many years listening to the supreme, reading supreme court decisions where they talk about, you know, the framers. this is what they said, this is what the constitution says, we've got to take the original meaning of what it says. if that is the case, then this should be a no-brainer for the supreme court, no? they should side with colorado, and the voters in colorado in minnesota. >> they showed. if only they always did what they should do, we would live in a different world. they should have taken the rights of women seriously and the dobbs case, but they didn't, they rolled back 50 years of history. they should take democracy seriously when it comes to voting rights cases. women -- they basically dismantle the voting rights act. this court is not known for

being the most principles we've ever had. it's why i don't treat it as an easy matter. it's going to be much easier that i'm afraid it will be. >> one more question for you, professor. some critics have said that using the 14th amendment like this will set a dangerous precedents in removing trump should be a decision made at the ballot box. what's your response to that argument? >> the constitution put some limits on who can be on the ballot. if your -- no matter how oppressive you are, you can't be on the ballot for presidents. if you won the presidency twice, no matter how popular you are, you can't be on the ballot again. this is simply another one of those qualifications. if we don't take it seriously, that's when we set a dangerous precedent. especially a dangerous precedent that somebody who tries to overturn the

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why aren't you -- >> they probably had 2000 people to work for them. somebody said he is working, i was playing for his heart attack. give me a break. this has worked 18, 20 hours a day, no matter what. that's what we do. i did that for years. you've got to get the job done. you try to do everything yourself so we're not going to go down that road. >> just so you all know, i did that for years. he was a football coach. that was alabama's senator, tuberville, shrugged off

concerns that his shameful, months-long hold on military promotions as making it harder for personnel to do their jobs. seemingly comparing it to his time coaching college football. marine corps -- has been hospitalized last week, with sources telling the new york times that he suffered an apparent heart attack. for months now, general smith has been filling two of the marine corps top posts due to the hole to put in place by tuberville over the pentagon's policy on abortion access. when asked about his work schedule recently, smith said that it was, quote, not sustainable. on thursday, the senate was able to bypass tuberville's blockade and confirmed three senior military officers, including navy admirable. the first woman to command the navy, and the first woman to be a member of the chief of staff. still, more than 370 promotions remain in limbo.

joining me now is sabrina saying, deputy press secretary. thank you very much, as always, for coming to the sunday show. before we get into senator tuberville, just, quickly, how much, how is generals meth doing? >> he's doing well. we are hoping for a speedy recovery. hoping that he is able to come back in and assume the duties of the comment on. we are watching his family well. i know the secretary's been in touch with his family during this time. >> with senator smith out, who's running the marines? >> as you mentioned, we did just have three other general flag officers confirmed just this past week. so the filling in for the role is the assistant combat on. he was just confirmed on thursday. we're in the same position we were in months to go. the assistant is now filling in for both the main role and the assistant position. you have another person doing two jobs at once. it is not sustainable.

especially right now with what is going on in the world, ukraine, israel, you need our very best in these positions. that is why we continue to urge the senate to lift this. >> your reaction to senator tuberville brush enough criticism that his hold on the promotions is making the jobs of military leaders harder, and even comparing the very important work that those military officials due to what he did as a college football coach. i mean, there is a difference between the football field, and battlefield. >> there definitely is. a very significant difference. senator smith is someone who has served, has gone through multiple tours of duty, and i think that it was senator sullivan of the republican party that said it best, that what tuberville has done is a national security suicide mission, and so these holes are ridiculous, we continue to say that they impact our military

readiness, they hurt families, and at a time when there are so much happening in the world, our ongoing challenge with china, our problems with israel and gaza, ukraine, this is the moment when we need the senate to step up. this is the time when we need our leaders in the positions they were selected for, and we continue to urge senator tuberville to lift his hold. what we really heard from the republican party is that they are just as upset about this. >> speaking of, that let's listen to some of senator tuberville's fellow republican senators. they had some very strong words from this past week. >> no matter where you believe this or not, this is doing great damage to our military. i don't say that lightly. >> this power is extraordinary that we're given as senators, but it's incumbent upon us to use it in a reasonable way. >> these are the people who are kicking in doors and fallujah, shooting terrorists in the face. and people say their desk

jockeys and not warriors? that's ridiculous. >> that was senator dan sullivan who you were mentioning before. he had more choice words to say to senator tuberville's face, because he was sitting. there how are those words from those republican senators? how are they being received by the men and women of the armed forces? >> well we certainly appreciate the support. we want to see these holds lifted the, secretary has continued to engage the hill on the importance that these whole tub, the impact they have to our military readiness. it is heartening to see senators like lindsey graham, dan sullivan, joni ernst, take the floor, and criticize tuberville for his holds but, it's really tuberville that needs to understand what he's doing is harming our military. our military general in-flight officer should never have been in these positions to begin. what they should never have been having to hold on them, and caught up in the political process. these are a political folks

that, as senator sullivan said, have served to all across the world, to have taken on very fierce battles and protecting our national security interests, and they deserve our best. they deserve our senate confirmation. >> i think the last time you were here, i asked you this question. i'm going to ask it again. there's a couple of them. one, has secretary austin been in contact with senator tuberville in the last few weeks or months? >> he is not. he's been in touch with the republican leadership, democratic leadership. we made our case very clear to submitter tuberville. we're not changing our policies, our opposition knock up in the policy of the department, because they don't set the policy. the secretary does. so we continue to communicate with leadership ends with the republican senate, but no real direct conversations with senator tuberville because he has made it very clear that his position is not changing. >> jumping on the word direct communication, has there been

any communication between secretary austin's staff, and the staff of senator tuberville? >> yes, we have been continuing to engage our legislative teams, in conversation with the, helping conversation with the senate armed services committee. we have engaged senator tuberville step, we've set up multiple break-ins in terms of the impacts these whole tough. frankly, if they do not understand, come down to the pentagon, we'll show, you will set up meetings with you, for, you to meet with the officers who are having their positions impacted, we're happy to do it. >> so the invitations have been offered, by senator tuberville staff has not accepted those invitations to come to the pentagon. >> i'm just saying that now, if they want to come down, the impacts of the schools, they are more than welcome to. we have made very clear from the very beginning of when senator tuberville announced that these holds that he was putting in place, we've made a

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we are seeing, you know, conversations about splitting up parts of the, bill splitting up what we want to see, the supplemental passed that funds our support for ukraine, for israel, to meet our pacing challenges in the indo-pacific, and of course the border. that is our focus right now. of course, we're always looking ahead. we're planning organization, but right now, our medium focus is really trying to get congress to pass that supplemental package. >> the pentagon's press secretary, serena saying, thank you, as always, for coming to the sunday show. >> thank you. >> coming up after the, break how debt activists are raised nearly 10 million in debt for former college students. and the radical support that they -- to tackle the trillion dollar student debt crisis. stay with us. stay with us this couple was headed to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ right now get a free footlong at subway.

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and what way will the student debt cancellation via steppingstone for thousands of luck students? >> at the least, people have holds removed from their accounts. that means that they can access the transcript for the first time in years. they can go back and pursue their education at morehouse, or pursue their education somewhere else. many folks, they can move on with their lives. i've spoken to some folks that had 15,000, 21, $36,000 worth of student debt to where the game, how am i going to be able to move on from this? they are essentially burning student loans, but only have the education for high school diploma. as black americans who are getting underpaid, often in the workplace, that sort of double edged sword in the economy. for many people, people have said i can now pursue a home, start saving for retirement, or maybe even start a small business. >> the department of education

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