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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> mr. trump has repeatedly and consistently misrepresented and inflated the value of his assets. and before he takes the stand, i am certain that he will engage in name calling and taunts and race-baiting. and call this a witch hunt. but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters are the facts and the numbers. and numbers, my friends, don't lie. >> and attorney general tish james was right about trump, on the wednesday stand today in his civil fraud trial, trump was belligerent, showing his usual lack of respect for the rule of law and the people who

administer it. also, tonight, how trump will be using this trial and his future trials as a campaign platform. >> plus, new reporting on what trump might do on day one if he returns to the white house, including possibly invoking the insurrection act. >> and the panic amongst some democrats about president biden's sagging poll numbers now that we're just one years away from election day. i'm jason johnson in for joy reid. we begin with donald trump taking the stand in court as a defendant. the first former u.s. president to do so in more than 100 years. and i need to put this in context for you. the last time a president had to stand in court, trump's father fred had just started their family crime business, trump and sons. the former president testified today in the $250 million civil fraud case brought by new york attorney general tish james. it's the trial that could collapse his family's business and the real estate brand that

built his reputation and fortune, which is why today a very angry and theatrical trump lashed out at everyone from the judge to the state attorney general seeking damages in the trial. turns out, there aren't two trumps. no social media version verses a courtroom trump. rather the one donald trump, and we all know that one too well. because he was definitely on one. sounding just as he does at his rallies or on the rants on that twitter thing, but those posts are unfurling in real time in manhattan supreme court. it was a contentious day on the witness stand. trump drew multiple warnings from the trial judge for veering off topic and criticizing the proceedings. judge engoron told trump's lawyer to control him and this isn't a political rally. after taking the stand for nearly four hours, trump addressed the cameras calling the case a disgrace. >> to think that we're being sued and spending all this time and money and you have people being killed all over the world that this country could stop,

with inflation and all of the other problems that this country has, i think it's a disgrace. i think it's a very sad day for america. but anyway, this is a case that should have never been brought. and it's a case that should be immediately dismissed. >> while trump called for the case to be dismissed immediately, attorney general tish james told reporters the case will go on. >> he rambled, he hurled insults. but we expected that. at the end of the day, the documentary evidence demonstrated that in fact he falsely inflated his assets to basically enrich himself and his family. he continued to persistently engage in fraud. the numbers don't lie. and mr. trump obviously can engage in all of these distractions but i will not be bullied. i will not be harassed. >> the show, the after party, and the hotel magnate is far

from over. ivanka trump is set to take the stand on wednesday. joining me now is lisa reuben, msnbc legal analyst who was in court today. david k. johnson, distinguished visiting lecturer who has been reporting on trump's financial nonsense for decades, and mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general, msnbc legal analyst, and cohost of the podcast, prosecuting donald trump. i have some great guests today. lisa, i will start with you. you were in court today. this is the part that galls me. look, i have seen plenty of crazy court shows and i have watched all 12 versions of law and order. what was the feeling like in the courthouse as the former twice impeached president is yelling and screaming and threatening people? were folks used to at this point, nonplussed? what was it like in the courtroom? >> i wouldn't say people were nonplussed. jason, the version of trump that you showed in one of his hallway press conferences as you were

talking about the case today, that was a much quieter, calmer, controlled trump than the one we saw in the courtroom. so imagine that between the vitriol of his words and the emphasis in his tone, actually think that there was a chill over much of the courtroom. nobody had ever seen a witness behave like this, much less behave that way toward a judge and an electioned official sitting in the courtroom. it was really, i hate to overuse this word because i use it every time i report on this case, unprecedented. and certainly new york supreme court and in my experience of court watching and litigating. >> mary, i want to ask you a question, also i ask it strategically, i understand that the goal of the trump campaign and trump incorporated and everything about his family is always really about drawing attention. it's like a spoiled child. whatever attention i get is good attention. but usually there's some idea

that this attention is ingratiating him to someone or helping him raise money. what strategically is the value of acting up in court the way he is? does he think it's going to help him in the trial? does he think it helps him with people on the outside? what's he trying to do here, mary? >> so, i'm never sure whether things with mr. trump are actually deliberate strategy or just his attorneys trying to kind of make the best they can with an uncontrollable client. and i think maybe this is a little bit of both. clearly, he's a client that is almost impossible for a lawyer to control. we know that both from his conduct outside the courtroom as well as his conduct inside the courtroom. but also, when you have a client like that who engages in these kinds of outbursts, person attacks on the judge, personal attacks on others in the courtroom, and really kind of going on and doing speeches and et cetera, you know, sometimes part of the strategy can be to see if the judge won't crack down and end up committing

reversible error. because judges are human beings. and the more annoyed and frustrated they get, the more they feel like they don't have control of their courtroom anymore, and that the defendant is taking advantage and using it for his own purposes, and disobeying the rules, not listening to the judge's rulings, sometimes judges can react and make rulings that later can be subject to reversal. so to the extent there's a strategy there, that certainly could be part of the strategy. but i also think it's just mr. trump's just almost impossible to shut up, as the judge found today. >> mary, i want to follow up with this. look, i watch basketball, i watch hockey. sometimes you have the hockey goon, a person who is supposed to go in there, anger the other team, make their star player make a mistake. but in the case of trump, everyone sort of knows that their goal, you know, they're acting in bad faith. so what would an actual mistake

be? if the judge yells at him, would it be a justification for throwing everything out the window? it doesn't seem like bad behavior is going to make a bunch of professionals make equally bad choices or if i wrong? >> there's a lot of leeway, and the thing here that the judge really has the ability to do and do without much risk of this being reversible error is he can make his own credibility assessments of mr. trump. and we know from when mr. trump had to testify a week or so ago, sort of unexpectedly after he made another attack on the judge's law clerk, and the judge didn't believe him. he found him completely incredible. mr. trump tried to claim he wasn't talking about the law clerk. he was talking about michael cohen, but the context and the words made that really just unbelievable. and the judge can make those credibility determinations based on mr. trump's deflecting and his attacks and his, you know, telling the judge himself that he had called mr. trump a fraud.

all of those things can be read into by the judge to contribute to him making a credibility finding. when judges make findings of facts based on judging the jedability of witnesses who appear in front of them, those are almost never reversible. the judge has a lot of discretion there. now, if he were to do some other -- and he can even draw adverse inferences. he mentioned that at one point. if mr. trump refuses to answer a question, he can draw an adverse inference, and there's case law supporting that. this judge is conscious of not wanting to do something that would be reversible, so you know, i don't think, not withstanding that lots of people want to talk about him throwing mr. trump in jail. i think that's probably unlikely, and he didn't do it today. >> david, i have to ask you this. first, i always say, i hope you're engaging in self care because you have been following this man for 30 years. i can't imagine what it's like to have been studying trump and

his corrupt, terrible personal behavior for all this time. i want to talk about one of the main lies here with trump trying to explain why his 10,000 square foot trump tower apartment was listed as 30,000 square feet in a statement to financial conditions. asked why the valuation was too high, trump said a broker assessed the total area as 30,000 sdwar feet and i have access to the roof, when you add the roof, you're not far off. he said i see how it was done. they took 10,000 per floor times three. they didn't take out the elevator and other things. this is the only way i can look at this. i'm confused. this would be akin to me saying that because i'm in the lounge at the airport i actually own the jets on the tarmac, right? that's as ridiculous as this is. david, my question for you is, isn't this the kind of line that he's always engaged in? this is a guy who pretended to be other people on the phone when he did interviews. so even though we're focused on

this particular thing, this is just par for the course with trump, right? >> all of this fits a pattern of donald's life. he's a child. he believes that he is special. that the rules don't apply to him. and one of the basic questions of this case is, well, if your financial statements are not to be believed, and then why did you create them? why did you go to the trouble of having them created at all if they're meaningless? donald was trying very hard today to make a campaign speech to create things that he believes will help him with the voters. and the reality is, donald has always lied, cheated, and stolen from people. he's hired illegal immigrants from poland to work for him. he has -- the only casino case in atlantic city, cheating a customer. donald trump's casino. he was in bed up to his eye balls with one of the biggest drug traffickers in the united states.

he had children gambling in his casinos, 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds. so to donald, he can do no wrong. it's not possible because he is special and of course he should not just be president, he should be, as he's planned all along, to be our dictator because no one else is competent in donald's mind. >> david, i want to ask this, i want you to jump ahead. we're doing back to the future. it's november, first, second week of november in 2024. how many of these trials have resulted in a conviction for trump? let's just jump ahead. when we look at this case and look at some of the others, when you look at this past history, because usually in the past, he has been able to buy people off or threaten people or get out of cases or pay people off. how many convictions do you think he has by november 2024? >> well, the most important one and the easiest case to prove is the mar-a-lago documents case. and clearly, that will not be a trial because he's got a judge who has openly expressed her

bias and said he should be treated as special. violating her oath of office. but the washington, d.c. case over the insurrection almost certainly will have come to a conclusion by then. and fani willis' case should have come to a conviction by then, to a conclusion. and the fani willis case matters because if trump gets back to the white house, he can't pardon his way out of that. he can't do anything about it. i don't think that alvin bragg's case will be done by then. he's made it clear he is sort of stepping back and letting others proceed first. >> lisa reuben, david cay johnston, and mary mccord, thank you for starting us off on the show today. up next on "the reidout," it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between a trump courtroom appearance and a campaign rally. well, there's fewer confederate flags. what that could mean for the 2024 election when "the reidout" continues with jason johnson. onn

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at a rally. he was testifying before a judge in a civil trial in new york. where he's accused of fraglntly inflating the value of his company's assets. even though judge engoron directly told him this is not a political rally, this is a courtroom. trump seems to think that it can be both. and as we head into an election year where trump is likely to be the republican nominee for president as well as a defendant in multiple criminal trials it appears what we saw today is just the beginning of the latest strategy to use the witness stand as a political platform. joining us is tara setmayer. so great to talk to you tonight on "the reidout." here's the thing. everyone is going to be riveted watching these trials next year. that's what's going to happen. we know it. it's going to be the sort of big story of the summer, right? and that tends to happen because, hey, during the summer, during election years is not necessarily that interesting anyway. is there a belief amongst

republicans, strategically, that he can turn trials that are ostensibly about his corruption and violation of the principles of this country into good press? is that even possible? or is that just a crazy theory within trump world? >> no, i think it's viable for them because donald trump has been rewarded for his bad behavior over and over again since he entered politics. the only time he was repudiated is when joe biden beat him for the presidency. why wouldn't he? he's had cover. he can use whatever platform he wants, he can try and make the courtroom a campaign rally. and regardless of whether the facts bear out against him or not, he'll have his surrogates, particularly elected officials in the republican party, continuing to spread his falsehoods and lies. you have a maga speaker of the house now, who has a platform as well. so it's not a crazy theory to those of us who live on earth two, which seems to be the

normie place, because earth one is now dominated by maga crazies. but those of us who live in the real world, we look at this and go, how is this possible? he's on trial for 91 different criminal counts in a courtroom that should be disqualifying. his behavior is petulant. he looks like a child attacking a judge and spewing these lies, but his supporters and followers and his enablers in the republican party amplify this and give him cover. why wouldn't he continue to do this? >> i live on earth two, where john kerry actually won in 2004 and obama is just running for the first time now. that's the world i live in. >> for me, it's mitt romney won in 2012 and we wouldn't have donald trump. >> either one is a better option than having trump. i want to talk a little bit about some of the other people who are running. chris christie and asa hutchinson being booed in florida and get your thoughts on the other side.

>> yeah. well, now it feels like home. thank you all very much. >> as someone as being in the courtroom for over 25 years as a federal prosecutor, and also in defending some of the most serious federal criminal cases, i can say that there is a significant likelihood that donald trump will be found guilty by a jury on a felony offense next year. that may or may not happen before you vote in march. >> tara, i have to say, focus first on chris christie. when he came into this race, he thought he was going to be cristly in atlanta. come in and shake things up. it didn't really work up for him. he is now the person who gets booed all the time. but he's taken that heat from a

lot of other republicans who are thinking maybe i'll be the brave one too. my question for you is, is anyone else -- all the rest of these candidates are doing so poorly against trump, is someone else going to try to step in and add to the criticism that chris christie has had of trump as the presumptive nominee or are they going to be playing in the spaces of desantis thinking maybe trump will stumble on his own and i can step in? >> there have been virtually zero profiles in courage in the era of trumpism. why would they step out now? if they were going to do that, they would have done it by now. and it's obvious that they're uninterested in either doing the right thing or standing up to donald trump because they have already demonstrated they're too craven politically to do so. i mean, we have been wishing, those of us who are politically homeless and right of center like myself, have been wishing that people in the republican party would have taken chris

christie's stance from the very beginning. chris christie should have taken that stance from the very beginning. we may not have donald trump now. but now that they have decided that it's politically advantageous for them and also the country almost lost its democracy on january 6th, maybe we need to step up. now they want to, but there's only a handful. you see the way the republican primary voters have reacted to this. they're uninterested in it. they're okay with an evil sociopathic authoritarian who wants to tear up the constitution getting re-elected. and the democrats need to face that fact. and start pushing back aggressively, making the comparison between what a biden presidency looks like and be reminded what a trump presidency looked like. and ask the american people and challenge them aggressively to make that choice. it's a binary choice. it's either america or trump. period. >> i want to follow up there, because this has been my philosophy all along. when you look at, say, the bad poll numbers that joe biden has

right now, i have been saying as a political scientist and someone who pays attention and teaches this stuff, yes, all of that is in a vacuum. people can dislike joe biden now, but after eight months of looking at him versus trump, he's got to look a lot better. is that how you see it or as a former republican sort of political ronan right now, do you think this is a really dangerous time for joe biden? >> i think it's a dangerous time for america. i mean, obviously, no campaign wants to see poll numbers like that, but we also know those of us in political science, understand that we're a year away. and it's an eternity in politics. george bush, clinton, obama, they all hadl numbers going a year before their re-election, and they got re-elected. so everyone needs to calm down. and look, but my warning to democrats' stance, they must aggressively get in front of this and stop letting republicans set the narrative about joe biden. is joe biden old? yes, he is, but i would rather

have someone who is old and experienced who loved the country and is good and decent than someone who is also old and a sociopath who wants to tear up the constitution. you know, start using trump's own people, talking about the election and how it was the most legitimate election in history. start taking trump's own people and putting their words out there. they have to be unified and disciplined to beat this back because the authoritarian creep in this country, that's what people need to be worried about. the normalization of this, and that's i think what they need to focus on the most. that's the most dangerous. >> tara setmayer, thank you so much for joining us tonight on "the reidout." i really appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, donald trump is making no secret about his plan office. we'll talk about why any and all americans need to make sure that doesn't happen. this is jason johnson on "the reidout." we'll be right back. if you're looking for a medicare supplement insurance plan that's smart now... i'm 65. and really smart later

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dictatorial powers. he will punish anyone who opposed him. the post reports in private, trump has told advisers and friends that he wants the justice department to investigate one-time officials and allies who have become critical of his time in office. so who is he targeting? former chief of star john kelly, former attorney general bill barr, former lawyer ty cobb, former joint chiefs chairman mark milley, president biden, biden's family and a list of fbi officials and doo officials. trump's doj would function with the purpose of indicting and imprisoning perceived enemies. trump reportedly also wants to invoke the insurrection act on his first day in office to allow him to deploy the military against civil demonstrations. anything like the george floyd protest, you know the ones that took place all over america with people of all colors, free pal

stain protests and the women's march, they could be squashed with lethal force. guess who is in charge of drafting that man? jeffrey clark, the low level trump doj lawyer who pressured his superiors to investigate nonexistent election crimes and urged state officials to submit phony certificates to the electoral college. joining me now is peter strzok, former deputy assistant director for the fbi. thank you for joining me. i want to start with this. i don't like trump fearmongering. i don't like saying oh, god, the terrible things, blah blah blah, but i do think it's important for us to understand how the administrative state in america is supposed to work, in that people like steve bannon using trump have been after our administrative state and american bureaucracy because that's their goal, to destroy any and all guardrails. put this into context how danger

this is as part of the overall movement of the current republican organization. >> i think that's a great point because it's extraordinarily dangerous. part of the reason the u.s. is able to operate as efficiently as it does is we have a professional bureaucracy. civil servants, they take an oath of office to uphold the constitution. they're not politically appointed. they're there and come in and do their job day in and day out pursuing the interests of the american people. steve bannon and a lot of folks are looking to replace as many people as they can, career officials, with political appointees, to do what you're talking about, to turn it rather than a professional system of governance into a patronage system where people are rewarded based on their political loyalties and specific loyalty to donald trump. and i think what is particularly worrisome in this article and what we saw in the last trump administration is that they wasted a lot of time at the beginning not understanding that if they were going to put people

into positions of power, that they needed to move quickly. and the second point is, i think they failed to appreciate the importance of key positions like the secretary of defense, like the attorney general, like the director of the fbi. and they have learned those lessons, and it sure seems like they're planning to do things differently given a second trump administration. >> and here's the thing, peter. you know, it's national security issues, but even simple things like the fda, right? food safety, you know, things like the department of the interior, where land is drilled, where it's taken care of. talk a little bit also about what happened in the few positions that trump was able to replace during his administration when you put incompetent people into out into larger tant positionse problems. >> absolutely. i think you saw this across the board, whether it was people in charge of simple things like the

department of homeland security, for example. you put somebody in there that doesn't necessarily have a firm set of experience and puts subordinates in place in their office of intelligence and all of a sudden we have intelligence reports being created on media reporters, on people going out and reporting the news and suddenly those are turned into intelligence reports and fed into the system. you have somebody like rick rinel, who has no experience whatsoever in the intelligence community, being made the acting director of national intelligence. these are the sorts of things that really break down the system, and which not only cause problems at the top but cause a disconnect between the professionals working for them who are trying to do their job, who are trying to get information up the chain, and suddenly that breaks down when it comes to informing the broader presidency, the matters of state and national security. >> so i want to talk a little bit about some his foreign policy and immigration plans should these folks get back in office. they're going to try to sideline

nato. that has a huge impact on what's happening in ukraine, all over the world. the trump administration announced it no longer considered israeli settlements illegal. they want to empower the national guard to carry out mass deportations and delie entry to legal immigrants. that's 3% of the population. what would it mean for a group of white nationalists, somewhat more competent than before people, operating under trump to have that kind of control over border security, over national security, and over immigration and citizenship in the united states? >> i think it's concerning any time you see trump just recently mentioned he was considering bringing back if he's re-elected, bringing back a muslim travel ban. any time you see such extreme measures put in place, we heard in the last administration, some of his desire talking about building a wall at the southern border about whether or not it can include moats with

alligators and snakes, whether or not people can be shot at the knees to stop them from coming across the border. any time you have some sort of view like that which remains and then the second point is not only does it remain but sort of what is extreme as it was, the quote/unquote adults in the room, people like john kelly, people like pat cipollone, people who served as guardrails. those aren't the people that are going to be placed into senior positions in the next trump administration. those folks aren't left anymore. so what you start with at the beginning, those senior advisers, are the jeff clarks, they are people who have demonstrated, not the team normal but the team crazy that we heard about during the january 6th hearing. they are the people who are sitting in the oval office between sidney powell and mike flynn and patrick burn and rudy giuliani, laying out outrageous theories. >> peter strzok, thank you very much. still ahead, election day is upon us, a preview of some of the key races we'll be keeping a close eye on tomorrow. more when we get back on "the reidout."

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rights or their support for donald trump. in the mississippi race, brandon esley is doing better than expected where tate reeves dealing with a major corruption scandal. in virginia, school board races will determine whether the far right is in charge of what children learn in school, and it could remain the last refuge for southern abortion rights. joining me is shaq brewster in lexington, kentucky. great to see you. love the jean jacket action you have going on. that's great. shaq, here's my question. i think that this race in kentucky is way more important than sometimes the attention being put into it. but it's interesting because it doesn't seem like it's ever been all that close. what is it like on the ground? are people nervous? are democrats nervous? are daniel cameron's people saying they think they have some hidden silent majority there? because most of the numbers i have seen suggest that andy beshear is going to get

re-elected. >> well, jason, you said the word nervous. that is the same word i'm hearing from voters on the ground on both sides of this. when you talk to the campaigns, they both say they're feeling good but they both acknowledge the result will be close. you're hearing that from andy beshear's campaign and he just wrapped up an event here in lexington. he's having another one in louisville tonight. big crowd here. he said he's feeling good. they feel like they're seeing positive indicators but the concern you have for his supporters is that you're hearing the same exact thing from daniel cameron and his campaign team and the energy that you're seeing on their side of it. the big issue here is whether or not a popular governor like andy beshear can overcome those negative national trends that you're seeing. president biden's low approval ratings, for example, whether or not a popular governor can overcome that, in a state that donald trump won by 26 points. you mentioned abortion is also a factor in this race.

daniel cameron struggling to really lay out his abortion position until late into the campaign. bushear saying that he will protect or do what he can to protect or expand abortion access that folks have in kentucky. right now, there's a near total ban on the procedure. so lots of issues at play, but really this is a test of how a popular governor can perform with those national headwinds. >> two quick questions about ohio. you have got abortion on the ballot. you also have marijuana on the ballot. which one do people seem to think is driving voters more? >> reporter: yeah, our reporters on the ground say that it is definitely the abortion issue that people are really mobilized around. of course, marijuana legalization especially on a recreational level is something that people are going to the polls on, but it's the abortion issue that has been the focus for voters for some time. remember, many of these voters had to go to the polls backn august on this exact issue. it was also called issue one.

for then, it was about raising the threshold for constitutional amendment. now they're voting directly on the constitutional amendment, and whether or not abortion rights should be enshrined in the state's constitution. their polling looks good for that side, but again, this is a conservative state. and this is an issue that has been top of mind for many voters. it's definitely something to watch. >> 15 minutes ago, ohio was a swing state, now it's red. thank you for joining us tonight on "the reidout." new polling one year out from the presidential elections leading to some democratic wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth. why i believe it's much adoing nothing after this. [man struggles] i need some sleep. ♪ [man relieved] if you struggle with cpap, you should check out inspire.

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important bellwethers on that -- 2024. a new poll has national democrats hammering about president biden's chances to reelect a year out. new york times siena college poll shows donald trump leaving and five of six battleground states, that candidate biden won in 2020. a statement by the campaign noted that predictions more than a year out tend to look a little different than a year later, and that's true. in fact in november of 2011, the new york times asked does obama -- as we all, know it who's handily reelected the next year. joining me now to discuss this is -- democratic pollster, strategist an msnbc political, analyst and victor, she co-host of the ig

and politics podcast. cornell, i will start with you, i am putting on my political scientist hat. i do not pay attention to any polls that take place more than six months out from an election, i think there's too much that can happen, but that's just me. what do you say when you look at these polls? when you've dug into the numbers, are you worried? do you think this is going to be an issue for biden a year out? >> well, there's a couple of things, here one it is to your point it is déjà vu for me because some of those working on obama reelection in 2012, in 2011 hour -- we were having the same conversations about then president obama running behind mitt romney and being tired as you might remember was michele bachmann. so, yes i have to take it with a grin of, still to what you do see in this polls and this is an important part of these polls to me is, look donald trump, we have seen in two best elections were donald trump's

ceiling is. if you look in the police polls, he's about right now performing exactly the way he did in 2020. his support sticks with him, it's, energized it does not move. he says he could shoot someone and not lose any support. apparently you can also be indicted some 90 sometimes not lose any, support and that's what we're seeing. news, flash almost every voter who voted for trump is going to vote for him again. what you also see on the other end of this is what we saw in the obama campaign, and this is why you build campaigns. it is democrats are overly, democrats are really heavily dependent on younger voters, and a younger more diverse electorate, barack obama does not become president without 11% of the electorate being new voters and 2008, and they look disproportionately younger and more diverse. that obama continuum is really critical for them. when you look at the numbers, i

actually look at the internals of this poll and understand that donald trump is probably at his ceiling. bottom veteran is that his floor, which i think it's important in the campaign this is another piece of this, i think it's important is i was actually heartened when i saw this number because they do have a sizeable swath of i think regular likely voting white voters, and do you know where biden is with black voters as he said 39%. why am i not worried? why my heart? and as you and i both, know at max he's going to get 41% of the white vote. he's actually not far off with his white, voters when you look at internals, where he's got to make a lot of ground are not voters who are necessarily going to break from donald, trump but they are disillusioned, disengaged democrats just like we had in 2011, i think he is a lot of work to do, that's what i take from the polls. >>, victor i'm gonna take this to you because everybody is

concerned about young voters. what i'm hearing when i talk to my students at oregon, state when i look online, one of the things that young voters are concerned about is a go, reapportioned student, loans but the conflict in israel has also been something that seems like has become a drag on young voters. you've got i think swifties for palestine, the israeli government, people are asking taylor swift to get involved in an international conflict because they think it had some influence on young people. where does the current international crisis play out when it comes to voters? are people still going to care? are people under 30 still going to care in february? it's the sort of a temporary moment of frustration, and people come back to voting for biden in 2020. for >> there's no question that there is a lot of passion around this issue. there's a lot of people talking about this issue on campus, but here's what i think is going to be important for 2020, for the contrast is going to be what's, important joe biden who is listening to, communities this

week he enacted two really important things which is first, combatting antisemitism, but establishing this first everrcee about as long as phobia, those things will be important. >> he did both, for those people who don't think that joe biden is doing, something meanwhile donald trump is fanning the flames of hatred and division, he said hezbollah is, he praised hezbollah, he's also antisemitic in many of his remarks on truth social. i think that contrast will be really, important but yours will add to what he said, he was spot on which is that joe biden already built a coalition in 2020. he beat donald trump in 2020 with the younger, base with a more diverse, base and he's doing the work as we head until 2024. vice president harris is doing phenomenal work. reyna going around to college campuses and listening to young voters. i think as we approach 2024, joe biden and kamala harris are gonna keep on, doing that we can afford hard to own the virts -- that's what i think is going to be really important. >> cornell, one of the other things that i look at heading

into this campaign season is usually the kinds of bumps that we would expect. i don't know that i think those are going to happen this year. this is the first time in my life, time you're, lifetime everybody hears lifetime. we already know who both of the nominees are going to be. half as republicans are gonna drop out after they even get to, iowa we know that trump is going to be the nominee even if he's dressed like the hamburger in white and black, stripes he still going to be the nominee for the republican party. we are going to be the inflection moments, polling wise going forward. it's not going to be a big coronation when trump gets there. nomination it's not going to be a big deal when joe biden gets the nomination. where do you think the inflection points will be? >> i'm not so sure there is going to be an inflection point. let me say. this let me take a moment to say. this it's nauseating hearing democrats wring their hands about joe biden. to a certain extent, i remember going in 2011 when people say barack obama should run for reelection. there was articles and op-eds

being said that he should run for. election it's nauseating. this continues to happen from progressives, but it's also points to be aware, they underestimate joe biden. >> you've got to be quick or. now >> he was not supposed to win the primary, he was not supposed to -- he won the presidential election by 70 million voters, he had a great midterm despite all of the naysayers. he's like, dj khaled they keep underestimating -- all, right cornell belcher and victor, she thank you both so much for joining us tonight on the, readout join us back tomorrow inside with jen psaki starts right now. >> >> it has been a hell of a newsday, donald trump took the stand today during a civil fraud trial in new york, and basically turned the entire courtroom