again show a big night for democrats and particularly for abortion rights. jonathan allen, thank you for being up early with us. thank you all of you for getting way too early with us. "morning joe" starts right now. a big thank you to president donald j. trump for his support and his endorsement of this campaign. let me just say, let me just say, the trump culture of winning is alive and well in kentucky. that didn't turn out exactly. i promised the governor i'd be brief and say thank you all. >> trump-backed candidates pick up where they left off in 2022, with republican daniel cameron

losing the governor's race in the deep red state of kentucky, you can add to your list. >> willie, i wrote this down. i've been working. >> copy off your paper. >> the trump culture of winning. are you ready? now, after last night's results, trump and his republican party have lost the elections in 2017, 2018, 2019 -- hold on, let's see -- no, they also lost in 2020, they lost in 2021, so maybe they won in 20 -- no, no, trump republicans lost in 2022 and they lost in 2023.

they don't really, the crazy thing is, you look at these primary voters they don't really care. donald trump is the political heroin of losing. take a shot of 2016 and lie back and smiling while your party loses in 2017, '18, '19 '20 and coming back in 2024. >> yeah, daniel cameron the republican, rising star in the republican party was backed by donald trump in the state of kentucky, ran a tough race and lost by five points, the democrat governor andy beshear won impressively last night.

the democrat in a state that donald trump won by 26 points, beshear won handily by five points. this was donald trump and mitch mcconnell's candidate there. a big loss for them there. a big issue, abortion playing in this race, in ohio of course, in that ballot initiative, playing in virginia, all across the country, republicans, again, falling down on this issue they so wanted, overturning roe v. wade. they continue to pay for it politically. >> boy, they get pounded. i said for years that one of my favorite political sayings i heard the late senator paul simon from illinois, in politics sometimes when you win you lose and sometimes when you lose you win. the united states supreme court in a lot of i think sleazy

political maneuvers packed the court and has a court that's deeply, deeply conservative and unrepresentative of the rest of the country and they overturned a 50-year precedent that 73% of americans were against being overturned and the political ramifications just keep coming whether it's in kansas, whether it's in kentucky, whether it's in wisconsin, whether it's -- you name it -- everywhere, abortion, the rights of women to make healthcare choices keep winning in state after state after state and election after election after election. at this point, you'd think republicans would get it. but they don't. i'll tell you another thing, a real footnote from last night, election denier, a loser, in fact, jonathan lemire, if you go into kentucky, a democrat -- a

democrat despite "the new york times"/siena polls -- a democrat won the state of kentucky. but the republican that did the best in the state of kentucky, was a secretary of state candidate who strongly and vocally took aim at election deniers and pounded away at them and has never once allowed any election denier in his campaign and he won big in kentucky last night. it's just like georgia, where, you know, you have georgia republicans, who crushed donald trump's hand-selected candidates in '22 and they did it again by being strong against election denying. >> yeah, we saw this in last year's midterms, too.

the high-profile election deniers all lost. election denialism is a losing issue for republicans writ large as discussed, abortion, abortion rights wins again, women want the right to healthcare, to make their own decisions, we saw that in ohio, huge win there, a state that has trended red, played a big role in virginia, potentially upended governor youngkin, he took a big loss last night. on the heels of those "the new york times" polls over the weekend that look so worrisome for joe biden. democrats in the age of trump they win elections year after year.

special election, midterm election. presidential elections. democrats win elections. a lot of work has to be done. democrats have acknowledged that to me. that race is going to be very, very tight. >> democrats were lining up to run and challenge joe biden before the 2022 midterm, because they were sure the red wave was going to be so terrible. they were lining up, calling around, getting their finances in in order, once again, joe biden is underestimated. 2023, the same thing happens again. the 2020 elections, after iowa, biden's too old. biden's out. after new hampshire, biden's too old. biden's out. then he comes in to south carolina, picks up an endorsement and crushes the rest of the field and is president of the united states despite the fact that donald trump and his

allies said he's too old, campaigning in his basement, boom, he wins again. he just keeps happening. it's crazy. katty, sometimes we try to make politics a lot harder than they are, and i had a friend who's an immigrant to the united states called me up and still trying to figure out american politics, he calls me last night and he says, i need to understand something, this abortion thing, he goes, if somebody is against abortion, don't have an abortion. i go, yeah? he goes, don't republicans understand that's why they're losing, if they don't want to have an abortion, don't have an abortion, but don't tell everybody else not to have an abortion. i said, well, i think americans think so and again they do. by the way, it's not like the

left wingers, these are republicans, these are independents, these are moderates, the overturning of roe has got to be the most devastating, single event for the republican party in since watergate. >> yeah, it's not roe forced people to have abortions and it's men, too, by the way, returns last night from ohio, suggested that 54% of men also voted to enshrining abortion rights. it's not just women. this is an issue that affects all couples, it affects all families. husbands know what their wives go through. this is something that people need and it's a healthcare

issue. i was texting with somebody from the trump campaign last night, well, donald trump is going to position himself as the moderate candidate on abortion -- >> nope. >> in favor of 15-week ban, with, you know, with exceptions later on. that didn't work well for glenn youngkin. he with proposing a 15-week ban with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother and virginians pretty clearly in eye-popingly expensive races throughout the state and came down, they wanted to enshrine abortion rights in the state. it's critical. no other southern states with abortion rights. >> you look at how important abortion, 60% very important, 20% fairly important.

and only 19% not too important at all. 80% of virginians said it was important and it's, you know, what's so interesting, i'm so glad brought up youngkin last night, worst case scenario for him, they were trying to take the senate, the republicans, ended up not only did they get battered in the senate, they lost the house. which nobody -- nobody was saying they lost the house. willie, the whole 15-week with exceptions approach to abortion, that would have worked when roe was still law of the land, because i saw the polls, the plurality of americans wanted that, so many americans since they've been seeing these bans have been pushed now to, they want to go back to roe. they want to go back to

viability and so so, what worked before roe got overturned doesn't work now. i mean, that's pretty critical to understand, that's one thing, the other thing that i was trying to remember but i just can't now, i'm going to go to you and i'll remember when you're halfway through your sentence. >> i'll anticipate your thought, i think on this issue of abortion, we saw such a scope, we're talking about 15 weeks in virginia, voters reject that idea as you just said and then look at the state of kentucky where daniel cameron the attorney general had backed for a long time until just recently a law that doesn't provide exceptions for rape or incest, there was that incredibly moving ad from the beshear campaign, a young girl who was raped by her stepfather, really, really, you're going to prevent me, i have to carry that baby.

we have that ad. this may have been decisive last night. >> i was raped by my stepfather after years of sexual abuse, i was 12, anyone who believes there should be no exceptions for rape and incest could never understand what it's like to stand in my shoes, this is to you, daniel cameron, to tell 12-year-old she must have a baby of her step father who raped her is unthinkable. i'm speaking out because women and girls need to have options. daniel cameron would give us none. >> a young woman named hadley put out that ad. daniel cameron was totally thrown off by that. here's the policy, no exceptions for rape or incest, more recently he said maybe we should look at that, but again, andy

beshear, democrat a state trump won. >> 12-year-old has to flee the state, because -- >> it's different in ohio now. >> thanks to last night. >> looking at the ad, willie, refresh my recollection a bit on what i was going to say, katty said that young kin was trying to go with this sort of approach and katty talked to a trump person, he's going to be moderate on abortion -- and you can see him trying to do that, right -- here's the only problem, got clip after clip after clip of donald trump bragging, i was the one who killed roe v. wade. i put the judges in who took

away the right for abortion. i destroyed roe v. wade. it's all over the place. donald trump should expect to see all of these victims of rape, all of these victims of these women who were pleading out because they couldn't get treatment because of donald trump. >> literally. >> and because of leonard leo, because of radicals on the supreme court, he can expect to see those girls, those girls who had to flee the state when they were raped by an illegal immigrant, those girls who had to flee the state because they were raped by a member of their own family. >> women who were told to plead out in a parking lot. >> that the doctors were afraid to provide even life-saving care because of donald trump. because of leonard leo's radical

supreme court, all of those young women, whose lives have been made a living and breathing hell because of donald trump and that list of people, donald trump can expect and he should expect, and he deserves to expect to hear that throughout 2024, along with a clip that said, yeah, i was the one who killed roe v. wade, he made their lives a living and breathing hell. bleed outside of operating rooms where they could have been saved, because, well, donald trump and leonard leo, the guy who has $1.4 billion now trying to rig every federal judiciary selection, he's already done it to the u.s. supreme court. you sit back and wonder, why in

the world do we have 10-year-old girls who are raped by illegal immigrants fleeing the state to get an abortion? because of the supreme court. because of what happened. because the buying of the united states supreme court. that donald trump did. donald trump meekly and blindly followed along and now willie he's bragging i'm the one who killed roe v. wade. lots of luck with that, donald, it's going to be a long year. >> okay, let's dig into some of these numbers we've been talking about, the big board, steve kornacki i think is still there from last night. we're grateful for your service. >> taking you through some of the states. you look at kentucky, this is there are still some votes to come in, about five-point victory for beshear, one way in

a presidential election, in 2020, this is what the red/blue map looked like in kentucky, exactly 120 counties in kentucky, there were 2 that went democratic, the two big cities, louisville and lexington, 26-point trump victory, again, you take a look at what happened last night, you see a lot more blue on this map, actually 26 of the 120 counties in the state went to andy beshear, his name in 2019 was 23. so he added three new counties to his tally, he kept what he had before and i think what's most interesting, first of all, where did this victory come from for him? he drove up support even higher in these core democrat areas, fayette county, university of kentucky, he's going to win this thing by 44, 45 points over daniel cameron. beshear last night around got

66% here and that was a big number. similarly, jefferson county, where louisville is, he got 70%. big population centers, beshear squeezed a lot more out of them. this was a story four years ago for him, definitely a story last night, as you look at this part, eastern part of the state, which is traditionally coal country, you can go back two generations and you find democrats here, they tend to be more conservative democrats, working-class democrats and they have had a massive, massive shift in this part of the state in presidential elections, federal elections toward the republicans. see this sea of blue in coal country, all won by beshear, take a look at how some of these counties voted in 2020, trump got 80%.

75% of the vote. these are counties that andy beshear was able to win last night. so, his success not just in core democratic areas but reaching areas that democrats have concluded in kentucky a few years ago were a loss to them certainly at the federal level. >> steve, sorry to interrupt, how do you explain the flip where donald trump's winning 80% of the vote -- >> some of this stuff is kind of crazy. take a look here. floyd county, beshear wins by 14%. this part of kentucky, has been under a wild political journey over the last generation, john kerry, 2004, against george w. bush carried this county by 26 points. and donald trump won it by 50.

so a 74-point swing in 16 years in this county. >> did you say that's coal country? >> traditionally, that's the eastern side of kentucky. >> west virginia, people don't remember now, west virginia was a democratic state and then turn of the century, it started to shift and donald trump's best state was in west virginia, i just -- i'm curious, what can andy beshear teach other democrats about winning in coal country? >> i mean, i would say, honestly, a huge part of this, this was a story in 2019 as well, he wouldn't have won the governor ship if he hadn't won coal country, two things going for him in 2019 and again last night, that region of the state and regions similar to it, number one, he was a brand name

last name from a sort of earlier era in politics, his dad had been the governor of the state back when it was still possible for democrats to do pretty well in coal country, i think there was some sort of spillover from that. second thing is, this is the kind of state you'll see different results when you're talking about a state-wide election, a race for governor than you will for a federal election the presidency, the united states senate, members of congress, kentucky is a state that's going thoroughly red when it comes to federal elections but what these voters have shown is a willingness to cross that federal party line when it comes to somebody who's going to be the governor of their state, hold state-wide office and not part of the national democratic party. who remain very unpopular in kentucky. west virginia is a perfect

example. if you're talking about west virginia, very close to west virginia right there, and these are similar states in that way, a shock in 2000 when george w. bush suddenly carried kentucky and michael dukakis carried kentucky back in 1988. if you went over the western part of the state, western coal country in kentucky, it happened a little bit earlier, about 1996, the democrats' last stand with bill clinton, but you've seen these massive, massive shifts in these rural areas of kentucky and other states like it. >> lot of eyes on those house races the senate races, not only did democrats hold the senate, they flipped the senate in a blow to glenn youngkin in

virginia. >> again, we have the numbers here, unfortunately the board can do many wonderful things but state legislative district boundaries we don't have drawn in here yet, but anyway, coming into last night the democrats did control the state senate, they had 22-18 margin and there are still uncalled races but they'll finish with at least 21, keep in mind the backdrop, one of the big pieces of context here in virginia was everybody last night in both the state legislative chambers was running under brand-new and some radically altered lines. a big fight over redistricting that got settled by a third party, some incumbents of each party running in districts that were completely different. you had a ton of retirements because of the dramatic redistricting but it leaves democrats in the state senate with at least 21, 21 is the

magic number to guarantee them control there. democrats, again, two uncalled seats, at least 51, maybe another gain out there for them. the bottom line, no matter what happens with the two other seats, they'll have outright control of the house and outright control of the senate. >> boy, and katty, national implications here, looking at the trend lines, what really matters is, where are those suburbs going? in this case, where are the northern suburbs of virginia going? those washington suburbs. you've been out, you've

specifically visited the district out there and tell us, are you surprised by the outcome of it, or is this what you saw coming? >> i thought it was going to be tight and these individual districts some of them were tight. one in particular i think i mentioned it yesterday, district 31, key senate race, a centrist democrat definitely ran on protecting abortion rights in virginia, she won that district helping to keep control of the senate. what makes virginia also interesting for other states and future elections perhaps next year, in virginia, the pro-abortion rights group were running on the idea of freedom, they kind of moved on from this idea of choice. what i was hearing a lot on the campaign trail, this was about freedom. that resonated.

this is something that appeals to everybody. its language that's changed in the abortion rights movement. we'll hear that next year as well. steve, let's look at ohio, one of things i was wondering, ohio is such a good litmus test of the abortion issue, because this is what the referendum issue was about in ohio, does that make it slightly different from other states -- can we take ohio and measure the power of the abortion argument if you put it into a kind of general election context? what do you read into on ohio? >> i'd be careful on this one, because, and we've seen this in a number of other states as well, we saw it in the 2022 midterms, in fact, some states had this abortion referendums or had rather a strict restrictions placed after roe.

results in polling showing that voters didn't like that. at the same time in 2022, voters in number of states in ohio, goff more dewine favored a much restricter on abortions. a state by 13-point margin has now put in a state constitution the legal right to an abortion, they did add, i thought this was interesting i think this has implications how this question is adjudicated of this issue going forward, they put no language in there allowing for any kind of restriction.

proponents of this, recognized the politics of ohio, a reddish state, once upon a time a swing state, adding restrictions can be imposed after the point of fetal viability, the idea here they had, if that can fly in ohio, then roll the calendar ahead to 2024, is that the model that will be used as they try to advance this in red states and swing states, and i think that's what you're seeing in south carolina, arizona, florida, states like that, you have ballot initiatives brewing that are either going to codify in the state's constitution about abortion rights. the other point i'd make, one state last night where we actually got an exit poll. it was interesting, when you

look at the makeup of the electorate that spotted think by 13 points. they still don't like joe biden. we asked the question in the exit polls, should joe biden run for election, three-quarters of voters said joe biden shouldn't run for re-election. notthe electorate by a 53%/46% margin passed abortion. is there implications here for ohio, states like this, for this issue in 2024? these voters didn't warm up to joe biden with this issue on the ballot. so, you look at that exit poll, hey, this was a trump-plus eight state in 2020 and the exit poll looks like something similar in

2024. >> that was where i was going next, steve, when you look at the people who answered the question that way, they don't like joe biden, does that mean they'll vote for donald trump or vote again for issues like abortion and democracy, whether or not joe biden is at top of the ticket or not, how does this portend to polls. >> follow-up on that, joe biden has always -- even as vice president, joe biden has always underperformed in polls, it seems, and he was supposed to get wiped out in 2022, i mean, and yet, again, democrats always seem to outperform in the age of biden. any thoughts on that? >> well, think it's interesting that both biden and trump weren't themselves on any ballot last night. i think if you look at the history of elections since donald trump came on the scene,

republicans have had their best elections to be honest in most cases with donald trump on the ballot, you know, donald trump winning the presidency by a surprise in 2016, donald trump not winning in 2020, but exceeded the polls in 202, he lost the 2020 election, but republicans gained a bunch of house seats in 2020 and we wednesdayed up saying, could they win the house in 2020? biden not on the ballot, either. when you look at the polling, what's the biggest concern voters are expressing, what are the two biggest concerns that voters are expressing about biden, number one is his age, you're talking about someone who's going to be 82 years old if he gets reelected next year. they're very concerned about his age and his fitness for office

and it's sort of an untested proposition, someone with that level of concern, you didn't see that in polling on ronald reagan, bob dole running against bill clinton in '96. and the other issue, too, it's the economy. you know, biden is getting tremendously low marks on the economy. he can't do anything about his age, but biden folks will hoping that a year from now folks are feeling very different about the economy and that could warm them up to joe biden, but again, the only numbers we got that explicitly relate to joe biden last night, you know, were consistent what would you expect in ohio, where he lost by eight points and consistent with the polling we've seen recently about his standing heading into 2024, not to say that folks are

nuts about donald trump, if there's one takeaway really from the trump/biden numbers in the exit polls majority of voters don't want either one of them. ohio, red state, they more don't want biden running than trump. >> all right, steve kornacki, thank you so much. jonathan lemire, all that being said, the last 20 years of politics have been defined by the party out of power doing extraordinary well in these sort of elections, george w. bush wins re-election in 2004. two years later, nancy pelosi's speaker of house, barack obama wins and an era-defining election in 2008. the new obama majority that's going to change american

politics forever. two years later, the tea party wins, the tea party says, we're going to change washington forever. two years later, barack obama wins. two years later, republicans -- always this back and forth and that's what we've seen this entire century, what's so fascinating about what's happened the last seven or eight years, is donald trump won and republicans have lost since, now donald trump was in power, it made sense they would be that reaction to the party in power, because traditionally there always is, but joe biden's been in power since 2020 and democrats have won in '21, '22 and '23. there's not that historic blowback against joe biden. if joe biden were hated and loathed that much, we would not

be seeing joe biden's party winning in '21, '22 and '23. i think a lot of people think he's too old. i think a lot of people are feeling unamunambivalent about . i will just tell you, when push comes to shove, there was no red wave in 2022. in '23, the bottom was supposed to have fallen out for democrats, a massive night, they won in the state of kentucky, they won in coal country, in kentucky, they won on abortion in ohio. a state previously where a 10-year-old girl raped by an illegal immigrant had to flee the state because of ohio laws, they were that extreme.

they crushed republicans, in virginia a shocking outcome. i'm sorry, but there's almost a trend here. >> one note on age first of all, if donald trump wins next year, he'll be the oldest person ever elected president, we should remember that, too, age can cut both ways here. i think what happened last night actually in many ways sort of at least proves validates biden's theory of the case next year, they understand joe biden himself is not wildly popular, polls suggest that, there are real concerns about joe biden the man right now in terms of being president, his age, the economy. that said the biden white house's theory of the case, they understand, this happened in 2020 as well, he himself is not a driven of enthusiasm, but

there are major factors at play next year, they're turning out to drive out, abortion rights, about choice, they're turning out to vote against donald trump. donald trump is the great turnout driver of recent american politics, people turn out to vote for trump and they turn out to vote against trump. yesterday governor beshear, a huge win in kentucky, he didn't embrace biden other than on the issue of infrastructure. he said he'll work with his fellow republicans. joe biden has delivered that same message. last night was a good night for democrats and it seems to fore shadow the kind of race we could have next year and the kind of race that joe biden and his team know will be close and they know will win. >> among democrats and "the new

york times" swing state polls, last night there's panic from republicans on the issue of abortion. on fox news last night, donald trump's former press secretary said our losing streak continues on this issue. we got to change. the problem for them is, it's too late. they did something. they got roe v. wade overturned 16 months ago and now they're living with the political consequences of it. >> they had roe v. wade overturned, you had a supreme court justice actually go to the federalist society and gloat and gloat about it. you had donald trump basically mindlessly turn his brain over to an organization that said, they were going to -- basically

to hell of 70% of americans and 10-year-old rape victims, and you know what, a billion or so dollars can rig a court, you've got a supreme court now on abortion that does a lot of things right, but on abortion, no doubt, those people that got in there, they lied to the senate time and time again. they're just liars, saying that roe v. wade was established precedent. at least two out of the three did. and they did what 70% of americans didn't want them to do, they overturned a half-century precedent to take freedom away from women. you know what, it's not just women, young women and girls who took that personally, a lot of men took that personally, lot of fathers took that personally, a lot of husbands took that personally, a lot of brothers

took that personally, a lot of friends took that personally, and so, yeah, there are consequences, and willie, i want to go back -- i just want to go back, because i think it was a defining moment when we saw something on this show, heilman and halperin had that 2016 focus group, working-class lady said she liked donald trump is one of us. this is something that he's connecting with working-class voters this way. i go back to when, you know, we had that atlanta focus group, i guess it was before the 2020 election, they kept asking these questions about trump and why are they still trump voters, they all believed in these

conspiracy theories and the guy who's the biggest believer in the conspiracy theories, said, you're pro-life, the guy goes, what are you talking about? i'm a man, why i should be telling women should be doing with their healthcare. wow, okay, this one is going to cut across all boundaries and it has and it's why republicans keep losing and like you said, they're even saying it in primetime now, i guess before they got -- after they got trashed in '22 politically the wall street journal editorial page and ann court came out and said, guys, you just keep losing, get smart. but they can't because it's done. and they got their presidential candidate they love so much, donald trump, who has spent the last two years bragging, quote,

i've the one who killed roe v. wade. >> you're right, that's going to be in about every ad we see. republican men, that ohio vote tells the story, it's a red state that went for donald trump last time around and the time before that, to win by 14 points on that ballot initiative last night you had to have republicans, you had to have men, independents voting on that, that cuts across parties and ideology. that's a huge statement right there. as you say, republicans have put themselves in a box on this. they got what they wanted. roe v. wade is overturned and now here they are seeing the consequences at the polls. >> people don't like having their rights taken away. republicans can try and tweak

their positions on this, but the damage is done. and it's now showing. >> it's, again, as democrats said it's about freedom. republicans ran around talking about freedom, freedom, they don't ebb let a 10-year-old girl who's raped, her parents have the freedom to talk to a doctor, to talk to a psychiatrist, to talk to their preacher, family friends, to come together and counsel, but to figure out what to do with this poor 10-year-old they have to shove her in the car and flee the state, i mean that's what donald trump brought america. and america is answering back in the voting booth. we'll be joined by democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio on the heels of that big win for abortion rights in his

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donald trump. joining us is now, david drucker. headline, donald trump is not there. the field has been narrowed down to five candidates on the stage. what are you expecting tonight? >> well, a really good question, they're trying to become the consequence alternative to the guy who's in first place. it's sort of difficult thing to navigate. i think that there are probably a couple of story lines here to pay attention to, one, senator tim scott, south carolina senator, or ohio or bust strategy, despite the money he's raised and all the goodwill he has within the party, he's trying to stand out and trying to sort of jump-start his campaign. can he get that done?

nikki haley, former u.n. ambassador, desantis and haley have been going at it via their campaigns. the most likely consensus alternatives to donald trump if one is to emerge. willie, emerge in time to make a difference. i talked to a lot of republicans inside these campaigns, the candidates, they seem to live in this world where we can wait for iowa or new hampshire, no, look, as long as it's one-on-one by super tuesday we have a shot. you got to nab trump in iowa, certainly no later in new hampshire, the inevitably that's already there it's going to met stiez. i didn't mention chris christie or vivek ramaswamy. christie has been interesting, because he's had to find a new way of handle these debates without donald trump there, he

doesn't want to punch down his whole campaign. he's had to navigate it differently on the stage. and vivek ramaswamy, i suspect, we'll hear lot of the same thing we've heard from him in the past, that war's bad and i'm only guy with any brains on the stage. but he has a lot of money, he has a personal bank account to stay in play. if this evening or any evening coming up can be an inflection point. >> i'm looking at the headline here, republicans opposed to trump grappling with this idea of consolidation, there are a lot of big donors out there, there are many republicans who are exhausted by donald trump, would love to move on, nikki haley seems to have emerged as a more popular choice, is she the choice among that group of

people who still would like to see an alternative in the party to donald trump. >> she's a choice of some, we should point out that ron desantis was endorsed to iowa governor kim reynolds. nikki haley is intriguing to at will of republican donors who don't want to waste their money and they don't want to contribute to fractured field. nikki haley has been on upward trajectory, but she has to get to point not only the number one among the number two, but where some of these polls close between donald trump and nikki haley. no way to consolidate the field, candidates like mike pence,

former vice president deciding, first of all i don't have any money and second of all this isn't the campaign i wanted to run. it's going to contribute to the fractured field and it helps trump who doesn't look like he needs that much help. the polls coming out over the weekend, they were really bad from all of the republicans we're going to hear from that, it eliminates an electability argument. lot of republican voters are looking at donald trump and saying, hey, he can win, he can beat biden, he is beating biden. >> right, right, right. senior writer for the dispatch, david drucker, thank you very much. one thought there, consolidating around one candidate, why don't they all just say the same thing for once? they all tiptoeing, why don't

just go in, wouldn't that help a bit to talk about the truth when you have a front-runner who's facing four indictments and countless other legal problems and try to overturned the election. >> they're scared. >> try the truth. >> it doesn't work with republicans. >> i thought the truth worked with the base, people, when you were running for congress, you spoke to same people. >> you got to be all-in. >> you don't talk about kicking sideways, you got to go after them hard and explaining why they're not conservative, go after them saying this is what i believe, i'm sorry, i know donald trump did some things that a lot of people here like and fantastic, but he's taking this on the wrong path. we can't keep losing to democrats. joe biden has already appointed 150 federal judges, if donald

trump's our nominee he's going to have eight years of reshaping the federal judiciaries. we can't do that. the record number of justices that he's appointed. i mean, that would be a good argument to make, nobody's going to make it, jonathan lemire, because they're all afraid of the republican base, what's the way forward? nikki haley matched up better against joe biden than donald trump, but she's the one who's been talking about kicking sideways, i mean, she's not going after him, like she's running against him not hard. >> no, there's been very little. we have heard little from governor desantis in recent days talking about trump's mental fitness for the job. there's no sense that's been effective and it's certainly late in game for those sort of

attacks. the others have barely laid a glove on donald trump. the biden white house, the biden campaign thought it would be these folks, his republican rivals who would take some of the bite out of it. that hasn't happened. we'll see the white house have to go negative sooner than thought. this group here playing for second place, they're not even close and there hasn't been much of a sign that dynamic is going to change. the electability issue, already wasn't really working for republicans, but that took another hit with those polls the other day, that said, the counter would be the results from last night, yet another moment where republican issues turned out to be losers at the ballot box. i'm interested to hear what some

candidates on stage on abortion. israeli ground forces have reached the heart of gaza city, israel's defense minister made that announcement yesterday said its forces are, quote, tightening the noose. meanwhile it's been just over a month since the hamas terror attack and there are still questions over the missed intelligence and security failures. prime minister benjamin netanyahu was asked about that by abc news. >> first task of government is to protect the people and clearly we didn't live up to that, we had a big, big setback, i've said there were going to be very tough questions that are going to be asked and i'm going to be among the first to answer that. the responsibility of the government is to protect the people and clearly that responsibility wasn't met. >> so many israeli officials

including the defense minister, military intelligence chief, the chief of staff, all have taken some responsibility for israel being caught off-guard. do you believe that you should take any responsibility? >> of course. that's not a question, it's got to be resolved after the war, i think there will be time to allocate that. >> wow, joining us now for the daily beast, his latest piece is entitled biden and netanyahu look headed for a breakup on unqualified u.s. support for the gaza war. >> we've been hearing, richard haasss has talked about it and peggy noonan has talked about it and a lot of people looking at this and saying, well, israel can't really wait for the war to be over for benjamin netanyahu to be replaced, because that

face of the israeli government is not trusted, not only around the world but inside israel as well. so, how does joe biden forge a lasting partnership with somebody who was responsible for what happened on october the 7th and who's not even trusted by the israeli people? >> i don't think he forms a lasting partnership with him. joe biden's response after october 7th was due to loyalty to the people of israel and the country of israel, but he was never that close with netanyahu the reason the united states embraced netanyahu was partially to show support and they didn't trust netanyahu, they thought he might overreact in gaza as he has, they were concerned about some of his other reactions and that's all borne out, what we have seen over the past couple

weeks the biden administration saying let's have pauses for humanitarian assistance and netanyahu going, maybe not so much, you know, let's honor international law and be sensitive to civilian casualties and netanyahu go, that's not our top priority. let's not have crackdowns on the west bank and fetian hue ignoring it. now you got an issue where the administration would like to push back on the idea that the israelis take back control over gaza, something netanyahu has proposed and it's clear they're on divergent tracks. you got blinken there for the third time and the united states working this as hard as possible but no way for them to trust bibi netanyahu because he's not trustworthy. >> david, do you get the sense

that the biden administration is shifting its tone? blinken talked about when he looked at the children in gaza he saw the faces of his own two young children and are they trying to distance themselves from netanyahu but also to kind of message the rest of the arab world they have empathy for palestinians, is that a strategy that's too late, is it a needed strategy? >> i don't think it's too late. the administration wanted to make sure there were unnecessary civilian casualties in gaza as the civilian casualties have grown they have more publicly pushed back on the israelis, tony blinken has met with arab leaders on a regular basis, president biden has spoken to them and i think the message repeatedly has been we care about the people of israel, we care about the people of the

palestinian territories, we want to preserve all of their rights, that's our objective, let's have a plan and let's get there. unless we support this particular government and unless we support this particular prime minister. >> the daily beast's david roth kov, thank you. just past the top of the hour on this wednesday, november 8th, joining the conversation, we have claire mccaskill. and special correspondent and vanity fair and host of the fast politics podcast, molly jong fast. >> i'm not good at this politics thing, i fell off a turnip truck outside 30 rock a couple of years ago. i don't much.

i'll ask you, you've been one of those united states senators, if a party loses in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023, and they lose in states like kentucky and ohio and virginia -- >> which is what happened last night. >> they lost in a big way. why do they keep going blindly in that direction? why do they keep going down the path that's led them from one loss to another. >> yes, it's interesting. joe, think about this, they just selected mike johnson as speaker, here's a guy who said that anybody who performs an abortion should have to do hard labor, here's a guy who's for the most extreme position possible on this issue that

clearly is now resonating as a reality post-dobbs, this is not theoretical anymore, women are living this, and in my state, for example, where it's a total ban, government-forced birth for anyone who's raped or has incest happened to them, you know, these republicans, our candidate for governor in missouri just said he would be against any provision on the ballot that would change the rape and incest exception. they're so out of touch with reality. one thing about kentucky, this issue about trans gender rights, republicans think they have this big winner, well, lnight, they came after andy beshear because he vetoed a bill on transgender rights in kentucky. he vetoed it, he said, this is about parental rights, government should not be telling parents how to handle their

children, this is not right. this parental rights and guess what, people voted for him last night over the trump-backed candidate in a big way. so, these issues they think, like banning all abortions and transgender rights, they think these are winners, they need to check again with the suburbs of america. >> for sure. abortion was the over-riding issue of the night last night with democrats keeping control of virginia's statehouse and the senate and the house of delegates, they didn't think they'd be able to get both, they were able to flip the house of delegates, a huge rebuke to the republican governor there. ohio voted for issue 1, abortion rights across the state of ohio. >> 54%. >> kentucky's incumbent andy beshear won a second four-year term for governor.

over attorney general daniel cameron. 52% to 47%. this in a state that donald trump won by 26 points in 22020 election. here, was part of governor's message in his victory speech last night. >> tonight, kentucky made a choice. a choice not to move to the right or to the left but to move forward for every single family. a choice to reject team "r" or team "d" in a state we're team kentucky. >> molly, if you look inside the numbers, he won four years ago

by.4%, last night he won by five points. he won going away. he did it not just in urban areas but in coal areas where trump won 80% of the vote governor beshear won there. he's a rising star for sure in the party. as we've been saying the issue of abortion was on the ballot. daniel cameron the attorney general had supported no exceptions for rape or incest. >> i think we've seen republican governors sort of get too far over their skis and if you look at ron desantis he used his republican perch to ban a lot of stuff, to attack trans kids, to do all the primary stuff for his presidential run and i think voters don't like it and i think it made voters not trust

republican governors so much and that's what you saw with glenn young kin in virginia, they didn't it, one other thing about abortion, there are what we saw with overturning roe was the fact that people -- abortion was about medical care as much as it was about abortion it was about doctors being afraid to treat. doctors saying i don't want to lose my license. i think it's worth thinking about this idea that there are women in this country who don't want to die for mike johnson's religious beliefs. >> that's right. >> we played the expreem tli powerful ad from the young woman in the state of kentucky. virginia, as molly mentioned, nbc news projecting that democrats will win control of

the statehouse. the race for full control of the legislature came down largely to abortion access with democrats campaigning agast youngkin's push against 15-week abortion ban with exceptions for rape, incest and the health of the mother. richmond's democratic mayor framed it all this way. >> you saw what happened in kansas, you saw what happened in other parts of the country, in virginia the same result, people want their rights, particularly women want their rights, so any sort of scale-back of those rights, rollback of those rights that governor youngkin was offering was repudiated tonight. my hope is that the republicans particularly governor youngkin, listen. >> claire, as you foe for the

last three, four days, republicans have been breathing heavily into a paper bag about the polls. should they breathe easier -- >> to bring up a painful moment of my past, the morning before my re-election campaign in 2018, none other than nbc news issued a poll on my race and had me winning by four and i lost by six. so, i am not the biggest fan of polling. did. >> didn't me to trigger you. >> no, but i really think polling a year out reflects that people are not satisfied with the status quo. and frankly, obama had the same problem in 2011, same kind of poll, trend lines, same kind of disapproval, i'm not saying that age is not something that joe biden's going to have to deal with, but in fairness to joe biden, if we're going to look at

people saying things that make no sense, if we're going to look at somebody's physical capabilities, if we're going to look at somebody's age, you know who's much worse than he is? it's the guy down at the golf resort in florida, he can't put three sentences together to make sense, he doesn't know where he is. he doesn't know who he's running against. he's a gaffe machine of incompetence, i really think. i saw joe the other morning when he was animated about how the biden team has to start punching trump in the nose about his inability to lead and his incompetence and his physical problems and frailties and mental disability which he clearly has, he has mental illness for gosh sax, he has a personality disorder.

they have to start focusing on on the binary choice for someone who will be a danger to democracy and the world and somebody who's going to surround himself with strong competent people. >> to add to your description which is pretty good there, claire, a gav machine of incompetencies before he had four indictments against him, his melting down in court in anger, his kids on the stand being, being found liable. the gaffe machine is under a lot of stress. >> judges in new york have determined that he's rapist. the judge said he's a rapist.

and another judge that he's a fraudster. judges in court have declared that. and that's who republicans want to keep, staying with, despite the fact they've lost in 2017, '18, '19, '20, '21, and '22. let's go to ohio. nbc news projects voters there have passed an amendment protecting reproductive rights in the state. the ballot referendum will enshrine a constitutional right to abortion and bar the states from burdening, penalizing or prohibiting those rights. . the amendment also specifies that abortion will be allowed up until, look, the point a doctor determines a fetus would most likely survive birth with exceptions with protect the

mother's life or health. it over-rules ohio's heartbeat rule which took effect immediately after the overturning of roe v. wade. joining us now is sherrod brown of ohio. thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. the voters in your state said what last night. >> well, first of all, when i hear claire talk, i miss claire. it was so clear last night that people went to the polls determined by 13 points in a race that some people called too close to call, they decided women, those decisions about healthcare should be made by women and doctors, not by politicians in columbus, it's crystal clear. it joins other states around the country and it's good news. i have to call out volunteers, my wife joined hundreds of

volunteers in columbus, many of them working on these issues for their entire adult lives. thousands of volunteers who after roe was overturned, hit the streets, went on social media, gave money, did phone calls, and grassroots won again last night in ohio. >> sherrod, first of all, big hug to you and to connie, and tell her thank you, it doesn't surprise me that she took to the streets and that's no shock, talk about the suburbs, what's going on with republican women in suburbs in ohio and what that means for you next year? i'm also interested on the vote of legalization of marijuana in rural areas and do you see that as any opening for you in terms of your margins in those rural areas which i know for you to get this done next year you not only have to get the vote out by

all those folks who know what a great senator you are you immediate to cut those margins in those red rural areas. >> haven't thought much yet about the legalization of marijuana, it passed by a slightly one point. rural areas, stepped up and exseed numbers that people expected. i think people as you know, claire, it's always about whose side are you on, making that contrast, i don't think the public sees politics left or right, they see it as whose side are you on, three republicans running in primary next year to be the nominee against them, all three have called for national abortion ban, so out of step with ohio voters and as you suggest, claire, suburban voters.

i ask people to come to sherrodbrown.com, this is a race, lot of money spent of course, but this is race fueled by volunteers, people understand that a national ban takes their rights away essentially, maybe for forever, and that's why people worked so hard last night and we won counties we haven't won in a long, long time. we did better in a county north of cincinnati, john boehner's old county. this is a choice between women and the doctor making decisions and politicians in columbus making decisions. that was going to be an overwhelming vote in all area of states. >> senator, good morning. there were some glimpses of you in governor beshear's victory in kentucky, a democrat winning in

a red state, pro-union democrat, and frankly just being effective at his job, how do you explain, people look at you, tim ryan was a good candidate last year, how do you explain your place in ohio as a democrat winning again and again in a restate? >> like last night, it's fighting against special interests and it was the out of state money and the anti-abortion, anti-choice machine that came into the state and we were ready for them and it's taking on the drug companies, we brought the price of insulin down to $35, no senior will have to pay more than $2,000 out of pocket cost for a year. we saw what happened in palestinians, railway laid off and public safety was compromised in east palestine.

it's taking on wall street. the trade agreements that send jobs overseas, voters know i've always stood strong on those issues. i will compromise to get things done. i'll work with republicans. that's my job. on fundamental issues the dignity of work is always front and center. >> sherrod brown of ohio, thank you very much. we're looking ahead to tonight's debate, the republican debate, and the question of how these republicans handle donald trump, here's chris christie last night talking about the results to these elections, putting the blame squarely on donald trump. >> daniel cameron was a rising star in the republican party until he decided to throw his lot in with donald trump. let's face it, donald trump is political and electoral poison down ballot.

down ballot his endorsement has led to republican defeats in the senate, the house in '18, in '22 we underperformed miserably and tonight you're seeing us lose again. daniel cameron made a huge mistake by embracing donald trump and selling his soul to him. >> so, molly, your latest article for vanity fair is entitled, imagine if 2024 republicans actually tried taking on trump. i try to imagine this, i think it would work if they were on the same page and actually talk about the facts and the overturning, the attempt to overturn the election. some of the teshls that donald trump has done and is accused of doing in four federal

indictments. >> it's interesting, i've never seen anything like it, like republicans were scared to take on trump so they took on each other, you saw them every debate we've seen so far, this will be the third, they sort of fight with each other, you know, you saw nikki haley land a punch on vivek ramaswamy. but they're not the front-runner. like they're auditioning for second place which is a meaningless thing to audition for. >> this debate comes in the wake of republicans losing again, and as we were talking about last hour, abortion rights scored a victory last night, number on republicans on the stage this evening say they propose a national ban on abortion, how do you think those dynamics will play out this evening, even if none of these candidates on the stage tonight end up be the republican nominee, but this here, this issue of abortion is

going to stick closely to whoever it is, even if it's donald trump despite his efforts to run away from it. >> abortion -- republicans are out of step with the rest of world. countries like mexico, abortion has become a sort of legal thing and again the reason why is because you don't want doctors afraid to treat and you've seen republicans trying to ban abortion, look, the speaker of the house, you know, you you've seen cases in texas where they're trying to ban the abortion pill, i mean they've really gotten out over this, the thing i was so struck by was watching these republicans diluted trumpism. nikki haley said i'm more moderate i have some experience, she ran away from that and instead offer this diluted trumpism. i think what we saw from

youngkin, actually diluted trumpism doesn't work, voters are smarter than that and they really want to see thing new from the republican party. >> they do. special correspondent at vanity fair, molly jong fast, thank you as always for writing that and thanks for being on this morning. still ahead, federal law bans domestic abuse suspects from possessing a gun, is the supreme court about to change that? we'll talk about the latest battle over the second amendment, plus, bestselling author ben mezrich is our guest. .

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fastsigns. make your statement. the supreme court heard arguments on a case yesterday concerning a 1994 law that restricts people under domestic violence restraining orders from having firearms. the case concerns zakeyrahimii who physically assaulted his then-girlfriend and threatened to shoot her. the woman received a restraining order against rahimi in 2020, which prohibited him from possessing firearmgs, it suspended his handgun license. he was charged turned 1994 federal law and pleaded guilty but he challenged the constitutionality of his punishment, claiming it violated his rights under the second amendment and appeals court

vacated his conviction citing the supreme court's 2022 ruling which conclude people have the right to bear arms outside of their homes. they appeared to indicate they may uphold the 1994 law. angela was protesting at the supreme court yesterday for keeping the domestic violence firearm law on the books. it's like we're trying to keep our rights and we're trying to keep the laws that protect us. tell us how you think this is going to go and what more can people do. >> well, good morning. look, we know that this is so important for women and families across this country, it feels like a no-brainer for many of us, we understand that when an abuser has a gun that person in that domestic violence situation

is five-times more likely to be shot and killed. on average 07 women are shot and killed in this country. we had people from all over this country, 200 people or more watching and streaming us at the supreme court yesterday, demanding that the supreme court rule in favor of women and families and survivors in this country. so we'll continue to be loud about this, we feel that we made our voices heard and we're hoping that the supreme court does rule in favor of survivors of domestic violence. >> i'm curious if your organization and the other really powerful organizations that are working on gun safety in this country if you have considered to go the route that's currently occurring on abortion, initiative petitions to specifically go after these military-style weapons that are slaughtering innocence all over our country at a pace that's shocking to most americans.

why haven't there been more efforts to put issues on ballots around the country to do what the vast majority of americans want when it comes to these weapons of war? >> you're right, what the vast majority of americans want. when i travel around this country, a red state, blue state, democrat, republican, gun owners alike feel like enough is enough, especially when we think about assault weapons and that. so we'll continue as we focus on keeping families and children in particular safe when we think this is a leading cause for death for teens, and young adults in this country. we'll continue to look at every tool in our tool box to make sure we're doing so. we're looking at things, the election yesterday that happened across this country, we're running our people for office, we're making sure that we have gun sense champions in office because we know when they get

elected they're going to put gun sense front of mind protecting communities, think about policy or nominating judges, so we're looking at every single thing in our toolbox when it comes to protecting families across this country. >> angela, good morning. second amendment salutist said nra, every gun is covered under this second amendment. it sounds like the justices have been receptive to the idea that no, there are moments and places and people where guns should not be present, is that a fair assessment in the early stages of this case in. >> that's a very fair assessment. majority of people realize, republicans, democrats, gun owners alike, there has to be reasonable regulation, we have to be able to protect communities like any other industry, this is one we think about gun owners and the gun industry in this country, we're thinking about an industry

that's fairly, you know, unregulated when we thinking about being able to hold their accountable. absolutely. people are sick and tired of this, especially when we think about weapons of war on our streets and people are raising their voices again. as i travel across the country it's loud and clear over and over again. we're very hopeful that the supreme court realizes and will actually make they're ruling in favor of families and in particularly domestic violence survivors in this country. >> thank you very much for coming on this morning. coming up, a lot has changed at twitter in the last year under elon musk including its name and net value. butselling author ben mezrich will join us to talk about what the most controversial corporate takeover in history.

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came up in the annual meeting, do your tweets hurt the company? are their tesla owners who say i don't agree with his political position and i know it because he shares so much of it. >> or i can't get some of these ads that you tweet. >> you know, i'm reminded of, of the scene if princess bride, a great movie, he con fronts the person who killed his father, he says, offer me money, offer me

power, i don't care. >> you just don't care? you want to share what you have to say. >> if the consequence of that is losing money so be it. >> david faber interviewing elon musk folg lose tesla's annual meeting in may. bloomberg is reporting that the company formerly known as twitter now worth less than half of what musk paid for it. values the country at $19 billion, musk paid $44 billion for twitter. joining us now is bestselling author ben mezrich. his new book is called "breaking

twitter." ben, you've done it again, again, as only you can do, you make this into a thriller, elon musk buying twitter. the first question now with some hindsight, does he regret not only paying too much for twitter or buying it all? >> i believe he does regret it. the concept of my book and you're right it's a cinematic telling of his takeover elon musk didn't break twitter, twitter broke elon musk series of events caused him to spiral down as twitter spiralled down. this was a low point, he ended up locked up, he locked himself down in conference room and people were so fearful they were considering a we'll fair check. we used to think he was the edison of our times. i went into this as lon musk.

i love that elon, but twitter has destroyed half the country and it's completely about outrage and anger, it's a tote mess. >> why did he do it then? everything you said is true. why? why dabble down in this ses pool? >> he went in with nobel views, moment in time where we can get to space, save our civilization, but twitter he saw as becoming an overmoderated, a move towards the dark ages, he wanted to save us from the woke mind virus as he called it and he felt like he needed to come in, he's the main character in the video game that's all of our lives and he was going to save us by fixing twitter, but what happened is, he found out very quickly that

free speech is more complicated than building a rocket and he came into epg near away the problem and it was people, the problem is people, the problem is not something that you can play with on your computer and it became a disaster very quickly. >> but for the thomas edison of our time, it's smallball, 10% of american adults are on twitter. did he think he was going to change the national discourse and by jumping into that national discourse, he's espoused horrendous conspiracy theories -- i don't know -- i can't figure out the life for me. >> as a billionaire buying a luxury yacht or whatever, really he believed that we need a global town hall where truth is prominent, he wanted to make it the most true place on the internet, the reality is it's turned out into the least true place on the internet because of the series of events that happened. but crazy things that led to,

you know the blue check falling apart was one thing, he goes on chapelle and he gets booed widely. his paranoia takes over. an engagement and outrage engine. pay for play. becoming a prescription dating site. it's no longer this global town hall. >> so, it's really interesting to me, because it seems like to me the man does have mental health issues, it really does, that's not anything i would celebrate, mental health problems are everywhere in this country and we don't do a very good job of addressing them or treating them, on the other hand, this really seems like a guy who was totally out of touch with reality, now i had the opportunity to visit with him one-on-one once when i was on the armed services committee and we were trying to move away from

our reliance on russian rockets. i visited spacex out many california and sat down with him and you know what i took from it, this is a really awkward guy, a guy who doesn't really -- isn't a good conversationist, no ability to relate to people. >> with elon it's interesting. on the one hand, he can be incredibly charismatic, imposing figure who's changing the world on the backs of this brilliant entrepreneurial spirit. in terms of mental illness, many of my idols are people you would say are eccentric, they're not held down by authority because they don't see it. elon musk believes the world is simulation and not only is he the main player and everyone else is a non-playing character. ignore voices that are dissent.

on the other hand, he truly is a force for good when he aims himself towards the good. the problem is he's surrounded often by people who are too afraid to talk -- >> mika. >> wow, i'd like, how does that filter down to the mission-driven team that musk has surrounded himself with and i'm specificall linda, are they on the same page. >> linda in my opinion, he did a one-two punch in an attempt to resurrect his reputation, he brought in linda to be the adult in the room, essentially supposed to be the sheryl

sandberg who made mark zuckerberg look a real boy. linda, on the sideline keeps -- elon keeping doing elon things. the reality is, i don't think she's there for long. i don't think he'll last until the end of the year. but i think she took an opportunity, she's wonderful at what she does, she's incredible with advertisers, but she's working in a system where elon runs the show. >> so you started by saying it's not that elon broke twitter that twitter broke elon, what does that actually look like? is that because he's dev stayed by what's happened? tesla seems to be going pretty well, maybe he likes the chaos on twitter. i don't know.

what do you mean that it broke him. >> he loves drama and stuff like that. my theory, the elon before twitter is not the elon we see today, elon before twitter was widely beloved, most people saw him as the genius of our times, now fully half the country think that he's ruining twitter and also essentially ruining discourse and ruining truth, he's no longer the person that water isaacson would have written a biography about. he's changed and it's because of what happened at twitter. halfway into it, people were hating him, things were falling apart, the whole system where truth was rising to the top people paying $8 and he responded by lashing out because the media lashed out. at spacex, he launches this beautiful rocket, right, and it blows up, now normally, this is actually not a bad thing, people

should be excited because he's's on our way to mars, but the reality is the media called it a failure, if elon had launched a rocket that big even though it blew up it was supposed to blow up, we would have said this was this first step and right now we see this thing blow up and we say elon a failure and that's the elon of today not the guy of da vinci and edison. >> i mean, he delights in amplifying the worst conspiracy theories possible. bringing down the house, accidental billionaires became the social network. are we going to see breaking twitter on tv. >> breaking twitter, i sold to mgm and we're developing a television show and we're reaching out and trying to find an elon as soon as this strike

ends. it's a great character, a complex character, charismatic and intimidating and perhaps mentally ill, a perfect thing for an actor to play, so we'll be looking for that soon. >> we'll be watching. the new book is titled "breaking twitter." the great ben mezrich, thank you. >> thank you. hours from now, ivanka trump's expected to testify in her father's new york civil fraud trial case. the special counsel overseeing the hunt irbiden investigation, counter a role. we will reveal what he told lawmakers behind closed doors when "morning joe" comes right back. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions

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ivanka is not a defendant in the case after a success argument the statute of limitations expired since she left the company when her father became president, but she has been ordered to appear as a witness. the prosecution will likely ask ivanka about her role in several trump organization real estate transactions, including the valuation of her new york apartment, which lawyers say the company priced it 2 1/2 times the rate she was offered. we'll be watching that. special counsel david weiss rejected the popular

conservative talk point that he was stopped in any way from charging the president's son. weiss testified in a closed-door republican-led house judiciary committee meeting to update the lawmakers on his special investigation. the special counsel insisted he's in charge of the case and has not had direct contact with the attorney general outside of a letter sent requesting special counsel status. his opening statement readsn part, i am and have been the decion-making on this case. at n time was i blockedr otherwise prevented from pursuing charges or taking the steps necessary in the investigation b other united states attorneys, the tax division or anyone else.

that was pretty clear. jonathan lemire, hunter biden, the investigation and the inquiry and everything the republicans are looking for, i mean, even in this testimony, which was as clear as day, jim jordan tried to twist it. >> yeah, republicans doing everything they can to make this happen, and every time they call a witness or somebody involved to talk to them, their case gets weaker and their allegations seem less founded. jim jordan and others, their argument was he was denied being special counsel, but first of all he did get it when he asked for it and he could have brought charges and weiss made that clear that at no point was

anybody from doj telling him he couldn't charge. and that people like to forget he was an trump appointee. >> we are just over a week away again from a possible government shutdown, and you might think that is the focus of their business is getting a funding bill together. >> if you look at what happened since they took over, this has been majoring in the minors. they have really failed at showing america they are competent to lead and they unanimously elected a speaker that believes women that have that been raped should have to give birth if they get pregnant. i don't see how he gets

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donald trump for his support and his endorsement of this campaign. let me just say, let me just say, the trump culture of winning is alive and well in kentucky. >> well, that didn't turn out exactly how i wanted it to. i promised the governor i would be brief, so i will be grief and say thank you all. >> trump-backed candidates picked up where they left off in 2022 with republican, daniel cameron, losing the governor's state in the deep state of kentucky. do you want to update your list? he's got this list. we have never heard -- >> can i copy off your paper. let me write down mine, too. >> oh, god. >> now, after last night's

results trump and his republican party have lost the elections in 2017, in 2018, in 2019 -- hold on, no, no, they lost also in 2020. they lost in 2021. there has to be a win for republicans sometime soon because they keep going back to donald trump, so maybe they -- maybe they want -- no, no, trump republicans lost in 2022, and they lost in 2023. the crazy thing is, you look at the primarily voters, and they don't really care. it's a donald trump, donald trump is the political arrow

win. you are coming back for more in 2024. >> yeah, donald trump lost the popular vote in 2016 in the electoral college. and daniel cameron was backed by donald trump in the state of kentucky, and ran a tough race and lost by five points. the democrat, andy beshear won very impressively. last time he won by 0.4 of a point. >> in kentucky! >> trump won by 26 points, winning handily by five points. this was donald trump and mitch mcconnell's candidate here. a big loss there. and the big issue, abortion playing in race and in virginia and all across the country.

republicans, again, falling down on this issue that they so wanted, they so craved overturning roe v. wade, and they got it 18 months ago and continue to pay for it politically. >> i said it for years, one of my favorite political sayings, i heard the late senator from illinois say, in politics sometimes you win when you lose, and you lose when you win. never a better example than the supreme court, they packed the court and has a court that is deeply, deeply conservative and representative of the rest of the country, and they overturned a 50-year precedent that 73% of americans were against being overturned. the political ramifications just keep coming, whether it's in kansas, whether it's in

kentucky, whether it's in wisconsin, whether it's -- like, you name it, everywhere. the abortion, the rights of women to make health care choices keep winning in state after state after state after state and election after election after election. at this point you would really think republicans would get it, but they don't. i will tell you another thing, it's a real footnote from last night, but election denning, a loser. in fact, you know, jonathan lemire, if you go into kentucky where i will say again a democrat, a democrat despite "the new york times" polls, a democrat -- a democrat won the state of kentucky. but the republican that did the best in the state of kentucky was the secretary of state candidate who strongly and

vocally took aim at election deniers, and pounded away at them, and has never once allowed any election denning in his campaign, and he won big in kentucky last night. it's just like georgia where, you know, you have georgia republicans who crushed donald trump's hand-selected candidates in '22, and they did it again by being strong against election denning. >> yeah, we saw this in last year's midterms, too. the most high-profile election deniers all lost whether they were running for governor or senator. election denning is a huge loser for republicans at large, and so is, as just discussed, abortion. women want the right to health care and make their own decisions for them, and we saw that in ohio in a huge win

there, a state that trended red, and in virginia upended glenn youngkin's political future, and he took a big loss yesterday. many were blowing up my phone last night, so pleased this took place last night. again, polls say what they say, and democrats in the age of trump, they win elections year after year, special election, off year election, mid-term election, presidential elections. democrats win elections. a lot of work has to be done. democrats that acknowledged me, last night, it previewed driving forces that is going to shape that campaign, too. >> democrats are lining up to run and challenge joe biden before the 2022 mid-term because

they were sure the red wave was going to be so terrible. they were lining up and getting their finances in order, and boom, once again joe biden underestimated, 2023, boom, the same thing happens again. after iowa, biden is too old. after new hampshire, biden is too old, biden is out. after nevada, biden is too old, biden is out. he comes to south carolina and picks up an endorsement and crushes the rest of the field and is president of the united states despite donald trump and his allies said he's too old and campaigning from his basement, and boom, he wins again. it keeps happening. it's crazy.

he calls me last night, he says, i need to understand something, this abortion thing, i go, yeah, what? he goes, if somebody is against abortion, don't have an abortion. i go, yeah? he goes, don't republicans understand that's why they are losing. if they don't want to have an abortion, don't have an abortion, but don't tell everybody else they should have abortions. isn't that the way it should be? i sat there and said, i think americans think so. it's not like the left wingers, these are republicans and independents and moderates. the overturning of roe, it has to be the biggest single event since watergate.

>> yeah, it's not like roe forced people to have abortions, and it's men, too. i keep hearing from democrats that women are furious, and this is an issue that affects all couples and families. husbands know what their wives go through, and the number of abortions, by the way, in america has not fallen since roe v. wade was overturned. you saw that in the results last night. i was texting with somebody from the trump campaign last night and they said donald trump is going to position himself as the moderate on abortion, a 15-week ban with exceptions later on. that didn't work out so well for glenn youngkin.

that was exactly what he was proposing in virginia, a 15-week ban with exceptions for race, incest and to protect the life of the mother, and they wanted to inshrine abortion rights in virginia. >> look at this. >> you look at how important is abortion, and you vote in the state legislature, 60% very important. 20% fairly important. only 19% not too important at all. 80% of virginians said it was important. what is so interesting, and i am so glad you brought up youngkin who got crushed last night, the absolute worst-case scenario for youngkin, and the republicans were trying to take the senate and youngkin was doing

everything they could -- >> it's over. >> they didn't only get battered in the senate, but they lost the house. nobody was saying they would lose the house. willie, the whole 15-week exceptions approach to the abortion, that would have worked when roe was still the law of the land. i saw the polls. so many americans, since they have been seeing these bans have been pushed, and now they want to go back to roe and viability, and so what worked before roe got overturned doesn't work now. that's pretty critical to understand. that's one thing. the other thing that i was trying to remember but i just can't now is i am going to go to you and i will remember when you are halfway through your sentence, willie. >> i will anticipate your thought because i have known you

for so long, i think on the issue of abortion we saw such a scope, we talked about 15 weeks in virginia, and voters rejected that idea, and then the state of kentucky, daniel backed a law that does not provide exceptions for rape and insist, and the beshear ad where a girl raped by her stepfather that said, really, really? let's take a look. >> i was raped by my stepfather after years of sexual abuse. i was 12. anybody that believes there should be no exceptions for rape and insist could not understand what it's like to stand in my shoes. this is to you, daniel cameron, to tell a 12-year-old girl she

must have the baby of the rape from a stepfather. >> that was a young woman that put out that ad. governor beshear thanked her for her courage, and my heart goes out to that young woman. that's terrible. here's the policy, no exceptions for rape or insist. he did more recently say we should look at that, and andy beshear, democrat, won by five points last night. >> there you go. >> that's what happened in ohio. a 10-year-old girl has to flee the state after getting raped by an illegal immigrant, she has to flee the state -- >> it's different in ohio now, thanks to last night. virginia, ohio, kentucky, the big stories of the morning. >> you look -- looking at that

ad, willie, refreshed my recollection of what i was going say, and katty talked about this, and you have clip after clip of donald trump bragging, i was the one that killed roe v. wade. i put the judges in that took away the right for abortion, and i destroyed roe v. wade. it's all over the place. donald trump should expect to see all of these victims of rape, all of these women bleeding out because they couldn't get treatment because of donald trump. >> literally. >> and because of leonard leo, and leonard leo supreme court,

the radicals on the supreme court. he can expect to see those girls, those girls who had to flee the state when they were raped by an illegal immigrant, those girls that had to flee the state because they were raped by a member of their own family. >> or women who were told they need to bleed out in a parking lot rather than get treatment. >> doctors were afraid to provide life-saving care because they might get arrested, because of donald trump and leonard leo, all of those young women whose lives have been made a living and breathing hell because of donald trump and that list of people. donald trump can expect and should expect and deserves to expect to hear that throughout 2024, along with a clip that said, yeah, i was the one who

killed roe v. wade. he's the one that made their lives a living and breathing hell. he's the one that made women bleed out outside of operating rooms where they could have been saved because, well, donald trump and leonard leo -- and he's the guy that has $1.4 billion now trying to rig every federal judiciary selection. and you sit back and you wonder, why in the world -- why in the world do we have 10-year-old girls raped by illegal immigrants having to flee the state and running for their lives to get an abortion? because of the supreme court, and what happened and the buying of the united states supreme court that donald trump did. donald trump meekly and blindly

followed along. now, willie, he's bragging, i am the one that killed roe v. wade. lots of luck with that, donald. it's going to be a long year. >> you better believe that will be in just about every ad. okay. let's go to the big board, and steve kornacki is still there from last night. steve, we are grateful for your service. what are you looking at first? >> yeah, taking you through some of the states you have been talking about. you look at kentucky, and there are votes still to come in but it will be about a five-point victory for beshear. in a presidential election, looking in 2020, this is what the red map looked like, and there were two that went democrat where the two big cities are, louisville and lexington, and it was a victory for donald trump. you look at what happened last night, and you see a lot more blue on this map.

26 of the 120 counties in the state went to andy beshear. his number in '19 when he won was 23, and he kept what he had before and added a few counties. first of all, where did this victory come from? he drove up support higher in the core democratic counties, the university of kentucky, and he will win this thing by 44, 45 points -- about 44 points over daniel cameron. beshear got 66 last time, and that was a big number. jefferson county, where louisville is, he squeezed out more this time than last time. what i think is even more remarkable, and this was the

story, and you look at this part, this eastern part of the state which is traditionally coal country. you can go back two generations and democrats tend to be more conservative democrats, working-class democrats, and they have had a massive shift in this part of the federal elections towards the republicans. see this sea of blue in coal country, and look how they voted in the 2020 election. trump got nearly 80% of the vote here, and 75% of the vote here, and these are counties that beshear was able to win last night, so his success, not just in core democratic areas, but in reaching areas that democrats concluded in kentucky were a loss to them. >> sorry to interrupt. how do you explain that?

how do you explain a flip where donald trump is winning 80% of the vote and beshear wins those counties a couple years later? >> some of this stuff is crazy. take a look. floyd county, i will give you an example, and beshear will win this thing by 14 points. this part of kentucky, and there are regions of the country like this particularly in this neck of the woods, has been under a wild political journey over the last generation. john kerry, 2024, against george w. bush, carried this county by 26 points, and donald trump won it by 50. a 74 point swing in -- >> did you say that's coal country? >> traditionally, that's the eastern coal country of kentucky. >> you are basically talking about west virginia. west virginia, people don't remember now, but west virginia was a democratic state and the turn of the century, our

century, it started to shift and donald trump's best state was in virginia. i am curious what can andy beshear teach other democrats about winning in coal country? >> yeah, i mean, i would say, honestly, a huge part of it -- this was a story in 2019 as well. he would not have won the governorship if he would not have won coal country. he had two things going for him in 2019 and last night when you are talking about that region of the state and regions similar to it. number one, he was a brand name -- brand name last night from an earlier era in kentucky politics. his father had been the governor of the state back when it was still possible for democrats to do well in coal country, so i think there was some sort of spillover from that. the second thing is, this is the kind of state where you will still see different results when you are talking about a state-wide election, or a race

for governor, then you will for a federal election, the presidency, the united states senate and members of congress. kentucky is a state that is going thoroughly red when it comes to federal elections. what these voters have shown is a willingness to cross that federal party line when it comes to somebody that is just going to be the governor of their state, or will hold a state-wide office and not part of the national democratic party and not be tied closely to the leaders of the national democratic party, who are and remain very unpopular in kentucky. west virginia is a perfect example. yes, you are talking about west virginia, being very close to west virginia. it was a shock when bush carried west virginia, and michael ducacus carried west virginia in 1988. this neck of the woods, basically, 2024 to 2008, you

just flipped. if you went to the western part of the state, western coal country in western kentucky, it happened earlier, and 1996 was the democrat's last stand with bill clinton, but you saw these massive, massive shifts in these rural areas of kentucky. >> let's look at virginia as we move around the map a little bit. what happened there? a lot of eyes on the house races. not only did democrats hold the senate but they flipped the house in a blow to glenn youngkin. and 24 hours ago, people said if this goes well, he hops in the presidential race. >> we have the numbers here. unfortunately. the board can do many things, but state district boundaries we don't have drawn in yet. last night democrats had a 22-18 margin for the senate, and there

are still two uncalled races but they will finish with at least 21. the backdrop here in virginia was everybody last night in both state legislative chambers was running under brand-new and in some cases radically altered lines, and there was a fight over redistricting that were settled by a third party, and you had a ton of retirements because of the dramatic redistricting, and it leaves democrats in the state senate with at least 21. 21 is the magic number to guarantee them control there. you look at the house. this is what republicans had led come into tonight, what they were hoping to add, and two uncalled seats, at least 51. there could be another gain out there for them, but the bottom line no matter what happens with the two other seats, democrats will have out right control of the house of delegates and

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the third republican presidential primary debate that will be down in miami. all five of the republican candidates taking the stage are a distant -- distant behind the current front runner, donald trump, who will, again, not participate in this debate.

joining us, writer for "the dispatch," joining us. what are you expecting tonight in the debate? >> well, they are trying to take on the guy who is in first place and in first place by quite a lot. it's a difficult thing to navigate. there are a couple story lines to pay attention to. one, senator tim scott, his campaign has not gone the way he wanted it to go. this is despite all the money he's raised and the goodwill he has within the party. he's trying to stand out and trying to sort of jump-start that campaign, and i suspect he will go after ron desantis and nikki haley, who appointed him

to the senate as a foreign u.n. ambassador. i am looking to see haley and desantis, and they seem at this point to be the most likely alternative consensus candidate. they seem to live in the world where we can wait for iowa and new hampshire, and no, no, as won as it's by super tuesday, we have a shot. the inevitability that is already there is going to metastasize and this race is going to be over. i didn't mention chris christie or vivek ramaswamy, and christie doesn't want to punch down, and

his campaign is defined by going after the frontrunner, and he has had to navigate it differently on the stage. vivek ramaswamy, i expect we will hear a lot more of what we heard in the past, war is bad and i am the only guy with brains on this stage, and everybody is on the take. he has a lot of money and a personal bank account to keep his campaign in play. we will see if this -- if this evening or any evening coming up can be an inflexion point. >> i am looking at the headline in your piece about republicans opposed to trump grappling with the idea of consolidation. there are a lot of donors out there and many republicans exhausted with donald trump and would love to move on, and nikki haley, is she the choice among that group of people that would like to see an alternative

within the party to donald trump? >> she's the choice of some, right? we should point out desantis was appointed by the governor of iowa, and nikki haley -- if they have a good choice in front of them i think they would pour into that choice, and nikki has to get to a point where she's not number one among the number two. she has to be in a position where some of the polls close between her and trump, and there's separation between her and everybody else below her, and that's what donors are looking for. the problem republicans have, willie, is there is no way to consolidate the field, and mike pence deciding this is not the

campaign i wanted to run, and i don't have any money, and as long as people stay in until the votes happen, it will continue to the fractured field that keeps donors out, and it helps trump. one thing that i will say about the polls over the weekend for joe biden, they were really bad for all of the republicans we will hear from tonight, because it eliminates the argument -- a lot of the republican voters are looking at donald trump and saying he can beat biden, so why do i have to go with somebody else if i don't want to. coming up next, some say president biden and netanyahu looking at a breakup. that conversation just ahead on "morning joe." joe."

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israel's defense minister made an announcement yesterday saying its forces are, quote, tightening the noose. it has been just over a month since the hamas terror attack. prime minister benjamin netanyahu was asked about that. >> the task of the government is to protect the people, and we didn't live up to that and have had a big setback. i will be among the first to answer them, and the responsibility of the government is to protect the people and that was not meant. >> so many officials and including the defense minister and the military chief of staff, they have all taken some responsibility for israel to be caught off guard and did not say

they had to wait for the investigation, and do you take any responsibility? >> of course. i think there will be time to allocate that. >> wow. his latest piece is entitled "biden and netanyahu look for a breakup." i am not sure we can wait to see what happened. >> yeah, many have talked about it, and a lot of people looking at this and saying, well, israel can't really wait for the war to be over for benjamin netanyahu to be replaced, because that face of the israeli government is not trusted, not only around the world but inside israel as well. how does joe biden forge a

lasting partnership with somebody who was responsible for what happened on october 7th and who is not even trusted by the israeli people? >> i don't think he forms a lasting partnership with him. joe biden's response after october 7th was due to loyalty to the people of israel, to the country of israel, but he was never that close with netanyahu. the reason the united states embraced netanyahu in a bear hug was to partially show support, and it also was partially because they didn't trust netanyahu and thought he would overreact in gaza, as he has, and they were concerned about some of his other reactions, and that has borne out. the biden administration has said to have pauses for humanitarian assistance, and

netanyahu says maybe not so much. and netanyahu ignoring the crackdowns in the west bank, and now you have an issue where the administration would like to push back on the idea that the israelis take back control over gaza, something netanyahu has proposed, and it's clear they are on completely divergent tracks. you have blinken there for the third time and the united states is working as hard as possible, but there's no way for them to trust netanyahu because he's not truth worthy. >> do you get the sense the biden administration has shifted its tone, and you have blinken seeing the faces of his own two young children. are they trying to distance

themselves not only from netanyahu but also message to the rest of the arab world in particular that they have empathy for palestinians, and is that a strategy that is too late? could it be a successful strategy? is it a needed strategy? what do you think of it? >> i don't think it's too late. the biden administration said from the outset they want to make sure there were not unnecessary civilian casualties in gaza, and as the civilian casualties have grown, they pushed back, and president biden has spoken to them, and i think the message repeatedly has been we care about the people of israel, and we care about the people of the palestinian territories. we want to preserve all of their rights. that's our objective. let's have a plan and let's get there unless we support this

particular government, unless we support this particular prime minister. coming up on "morning joe" -- >> americans went to the polls for election day. yeah, this morning on instagram, taylor swift encouraged her 275 million followers to vote and long story short, she's the governor now of mississippi. >> when she's not getting out the vote, taylor swift is topping the charts. we will talk about the significance of the success of her new album. >> her new album is really her old album made new, which has sold more than when it was originally a new album. 1989 -- she's taking control of her music catalogue. that's pretty exciting. that story is straight ahead on "morning joe." orning joe."

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in just a moment we will get back to the major win for democrats in deep red states. we will tell you first of a remarkable story of tragedy and resilience. a businesswoman and former diplomat and played a role of helping former president obama get elected in 2009 making her the first black woman and youngest american ambassador to the bahamas ever. but nicole's life was shattered in 2021 when her 81-year-old mother was murdered during a home invasion.

at the time she was writing a self help book but decided to make a significant shift in her approach. instead making it a profound tribute to her late mother's legacy to help those dealing with extreme grief. the book is entitled think you'll be happy, moving through grief with grace and gratitude. and nicole is joining us. and also with us for the discussion, huma abidene. nicole, what have you learned about grief through your own experience? >> i'm so happy to be here. and i'm happy to share what i've learned. an as all of us know, and i think that xwraef is a roller coaster. you go up and down and around. but what i've learned is that you have to go through it to get

to the other side and the other side is worth is it. to take a tragedy and move it into purpose was my intention for the book and to share my lessons and my ups and my downs with other people and hopefully help them move through grief so that they can live a happy fulfilled life with grit, grace and gratitude. >> what surprised you about the process of grief, anything? >> the heaviness. it was almost like wearing a cloak, a very heavy cloak that i knew that i had to take off -- you know, while i was moving through it, i had to make a decision not to give my life away, not give my power away, not to give my energy away or energy who that done this to my mother. and that is what grief has shown me, that it is an emotion that we'll all feel, but it doesn't

have to control you if you don't want to. but you have to make a decision. >> you and i have had this conversation. i was with you a month we lost your mother and i was privileged to have been in her light many times. and i think one of the things that you wrote so beautifully about, because i think this is a roadmap for anyone dealing with tragedy, but you said that you decided to take the pain and make it count for something and you wanted to do something. you talk about the community that surrounded you, learning from history, your family, your friends. >> yeah, my parents loved history. they loved paying it north, they loved being american. and my mom was all about american progress. and so for me when she passed

over, i thought i could either grieve every day or i could celebrate her life. so honoring my ancestors, rereading history, and serving others. and forgiving -- again, forgiveness is a heavy word and people think that it has everything do with condonement, which it does not. i don't condone violence or any bad behavior. and i don't condone what happened to my mother. but i also had to make a decision that if i want to be happy and fruitful and purposeful in my life, i can't hold on to hate at the same time. and so i wanted to honor my ancestors, honor my parents, honor everybody who has sacrificed before me. and who sacrificed for me. and i am the promise. you are the promise. for so many people. and so the best way for me to live that promise is to show up in my life. >> you say so beautifully that

love is not just a feeling, it is an action. and you live your life with your partner and your family that way. and i think one of the most striking things that you said in this book honoring your mother and father, you said if your mother knew -- if she was present in the moment knowing how we all lost her, she would grab you by the lapels and say we should create love out of pain, peace out of violence and turn to our higher power. and no better way than to share stories like this. >> and we all have the power of being able to change energy if we want to and to transmute energy. and my mom did it in spades. so i thought that is what i'm going to do in the best way that i can. none of it has been easy, but it has been important for me and again the intention was how do i honor my mother and her life of 81 years and not focus on the

tragedy. i want to focus on her life and what she gave to me. >> the new book is entitled "think you'll be happy." moving through grief with grit, grace and gratitude. nicole, thank you so much for coming on. and huma, thank you as well. coming up from ohio to virginia to kentucky, we'll break down election night in america. and what a night it was. what the results say about the state of play for next year's presidential race. presidential .

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over turn roe v. wade. so i did something nobody thought was possible. i got rid of roe v. wade. [ cheers ] >> and it put pro-lifers in a long negotiation position. nobody did what i did, including roe v. wade, bringing it back to the states. what i did by killing roe v. wade which everyone said was impossible -- >> former president trump taking credit as he should for the overturning of roe v. wade. which took away a 50 year constitutional right to abortion access and health care. and that once again handing democrats key victories in kentucky, ohio and virginia. the chair of the democratic national committee tweeting the gop should see this as a sharp

warning. their agenda will cost them in 2025. and he would be joining us. but first peter alexander is taking us through last night's results. >> reporter: democrats were celebrating key victories with abortion rights a potent issue heading in to 2024. >> abortion access is the law of the land in ohio. >> reporter: in one of the country's most watched swing state race, ohioans voting to guarantee abortion access, enshrining it into the state's constitution. >> we own our own bodies. >> reporter: in deep red kentucky, abortion rates also at the heart of andy beshear's re-election campaign. >> this is our chance to build

the commonwealth we have always dreamed of, to stop the fighting, to push away the division. >> reporter: beshear defeating daniel cameron who was backed by donald trump and who opposed abortion rights. >> we maintain the majority in the in the! in the senate! >> reporter: and in virginia, dramatic rebuke of glenn youngkin. >> so any sort of scaled back of those rates, roll back that governor was offering was repudiated tonight. >> reporter: and one election night win for republicans in mississippi. >> thank you mississippi. >> reporter: tate reeves won a

second term beating brandon presley, second cousin of elvis. and now also the first female yorn the city of broer love. >> andhe philadelphia mayor elect has plans to hire hundreds of additionalice officers to walk their beats and get to know residents. and she says officers should be able to stop and search pedestrians if they have a legitimate reason to do so. let's join the conversation with co-host of the circus john heilemann. and also symone sanders town send. good to have you both on board. what happened last night? >> well, that report said it

about as clearly as anyone could. we talked about the polls that came out over the weekend that had democrats around the country procedured about the state of the party, about the state of its leadership, about job, about how the 2024 election might play out. and literally 24 hours, 36 hours later they had reason to puck themselves up as they saw every one of the races that people were focused on last night from that kentucky governor's race to the ohio abortion vote to the state legislative voices all go their way. and in fact taking back control of the virginia house delegates, that was a flip. anyone worried about a trifecta for glenn youngkin having governorship and both houses, no one was looking for it to flip back to democratic control.

and the unifying theme was abortion rights. and the democrats are looking at key states around the country, virginia certainly a key state, ohio a key state, all good news for democrats on tuesday night and it doesn't eliminate the need for democrats to be focused in the presidential race, but people who went to bed monday and we wake up on wednesday with reason for people to kind get a grip and realize that things might not be as terrible for democrats as some of the polls suggested. >> and so you have the ballot initiative passing in ohio, ballot issue one. you have everything that happened in virginia as john said the senate and the house now in democratic control as a buffer against the governor there. and then in kentucky, you had a

republican who for a long time supported rape laws with into exceptions. so down the road i think that we should look at that, but clearly that hurt him. but talk about last night and also the clips that we came in this hour of donald trump proudly beating his chest saying i am the one who overturned roe v. wade because i delivered those three supreme court justices to you. will the biden campaign be playing that on a loop? >> i think that they should. hopefully jamie already has those ads cut. but playing the clips from trump, last night governor youngkin went on the air and said i want to be clear about where i stand on protections for, you know, life. and i want to be very clear -- and he went on television again and again and talked about basically an abortion ban.

and so i'm like where is the advisers. what is happening? i think there is a miscalculation. this is not the environment pre-roe being overturned. what you saw in race after race after race last night were democratic candidates going directly to voters speaking to them about their very clear lived experience and telling them freedoms, these other folks will not. but youngkin talked about the money for roads and bridges and he made a jab at the fact that they are doing so well in indiana looking down the street seeing what they could do. he didn't talk bidenomics, but

what he described was bidenomics. >> and claire, you have run in a very difficult state to win. so take a look at the big picture about what happened yesterday and the box republicans are in because they got their 50 year wish which is the overturning of roe v. wade. and now seeing the consequences. >> interesting thing is that i think republicans thought that -- well, i don't know what they thought because clearly they weren't checking in with most americans about losing the fundamental freedom in such a dramatic fashion. you'd think that they would go we need to be careful and not go too far. but instead, in state after state like i mean, total ban. life begins at exception. no exceptions for rape or incest. women raped in missouri are mandated to have a child by the government. that is never a winning position

in america. so government interference whether in the bedroom or parenting decisions, this is where republicans have real vulnerability. anybody who thinks that this issue is going away doesn't spend enough time with women. >> or men i might add. >> well, an important thing to say. or men. and john heilemann, it bears repeating something that john lemire said, that we haven't had a presidential election since the 50 year light to women having freedom over their bodies, freedom over their health care choices. people don't tell poll sfers this is most important thick to me.

but then vote, it certainly is. ann coulter said come on, this is not hard. you are getting your clocks cleaned. last night fox news saying i'm pro-life but obviously out of step with everybody else. and yet you have like in your total ban state, wisconsin lost the supreme court because they had an 1849 total ban. ohio girls raped by illegal immigrants having to flee the state. i just -- in all of your travels with the circus, i'm wondering, what are you picking up among republicans, are they just doomed to continue losing? because they are oblivious on this issue? i say losing nationally because they are so oblivious on this

issue. >> well, i guess the question, i mean, there is a parallel to this, right? which is -- and a parallel that you've drawn in the past which is, you know, why do republicans continue to stick with donald trump. when donald trump is as proven again and again to be a loser for them. if they tie their fortunes to donald trump, go back to 2016, except that, there is not an example that you can find where donald trump as the poster boy for the republican party or directly on the ballot where he has been good for down ticker republicans. yet after although cycles, they continue to stick with kud. donald trump. and now even more data on the trap that donald trump is a bad standard bearer for their direct fortunes, andand now even more trap that donald trump is a bad standard bearer for their direct fortunes, andtrump. and now even more data on the trap that donald trump is a bad standard bearer for their direct fortunes, and now shorter set of

data, about your powerful and completely irrational. if the question is whether i continuing that think to they would do that, i would have thought that the reality would have sunken in. we generally think that politicians are a response to polling. we criticize them for being blowing in the winds. but we think that they are responsive that may, you will lose if you do this. this party seems attached to certain ideas. certain personalities that are not in its best interests politically. and you don't know either as far

as i can tell. what it will take for them to ultimately wake up and smell the coffee. >> yeah, it is -- >> attached to election denying, attached to insurrections and pretending they didn't happen, start with abortion because that is what they lost on last night, but they are attached to things that are just not american. let's alone conservative republican thinking. >> and by the way, we're not -- this is not what left wingers would say. what mika just said, you look at the elections and it is republicans and independents who are voting against this radical republican policies, whether on abortion, where again, 10-year-old girls have to flee states after being raped by illegal immigrants or whether you are talking about election denying, i mean, we saw in 2022,

election denying candidates in swing states did poorly. we saw last night the democrats won a massive win in kentucky. just shocking. but republicans did the best in kentucky. secretary of state candidate who have the very beginning turned his back on election denying and said that is a lot of nonsense. and he did extremely well. and you know, jonathan lemire, you look and you see what is happening politically to the republicans. they keep losing. they keep losing on the issue of abortion. and they keep losing year after year after year. and there doesn't seem to be self correction. and i think the most vivid display of that that we've been talking about is what has happened at the house of representatives where the republicans were a

nonfunctioning political party who allowed five or six radicals who are not conservatives, the opposite of conservative, completely ship wreck their party. and what was their answer in getting a guy whose positions on abortion are about as radical as you can get. and by the way, it is not because of the bible. anybody whoens thinks it is about the bible, read david french's piece. does the bible says thou shalt lie? he was willing to overturn the democracy -- i've read, i don't know, i've read the bible a lot.

i've gone to bible studies throughout my childhood. i know it front and back even as a back slipping baptist. but there is nothing about embracing lies for cynical reasons and the gospelses of jesus christ say that you have that. and again i have to say, you got a guy that now speaker of the house with an extreme true on abortion. again enough to scare off republican voters. >> despite republicans taking a loss after loss after loss, they have only grown more extreme. and further down that road. and one is speaker johnson elevated now to the position in the house of representatives and second is the full embrace of donald trump. right after the 2022 midterm elections when republicans could have turned the page, there were

inflection points where they could have moved the party forward and they chose not to. and in fact they only went further to the point where donald trump is not even facing any prime opposition. and they continue to go further and further with abortion. and so that is the theory of case for this white house. yes, of course, there are outside events, whether the war in israel, whether something happening in ukraine, economy looms large for any incumbent president. but i've been hearing from those close to president biden this morning and the theory is that if abortions is ballot and trump is on the balballot, joe biden l be just fine. and we'll win democrats election after election. >> and both of those almost

certain to be on the ballot. joining us now, jamie harrison. thank you for joining us. you are at the site of the republican debate tonight. let's talk about what happened last night. what happened at the polls? >> willie, so good to see you. joe, mika, my mom says hello. bottom line is this maga extremism lost and lost big time. and the biden/harris coalition, the one people have counted out time and time again -- i keep telling folks stop counting out joe biden because we will teach you as my good friend antoine says that you don't know how to count. this is a president that has had the best midterm for in-country bent president since 1934. and when you couple it with the off term election, best in 20 years.1934.

and when you couple it with the off term election, best in 20 years. so we're coming together and showing the republican party how extreme they are. these elections are about hope versus fear. about progress versus chaos. and we see the chaos. donald trump brought it to the republican party. as long as donald trump is a part of the republican party, they will continue to lose at the ballot box. >> and before you got in place, we played clips at the top of the area of donald trump through the years boasting about overturning roe v. wade, that he was he who put the three justices in place and that is why they ended after 50 years this right. will that figure into your campaign strategy going forward here? >> it is at the heart of the campaign strategy. we are going to paint the republican party for the extremists that they are.

under donald trump, ripping away of freedoms. i'm 47 and for the first time in my lifetime americans have less freedoms than they had at one point. so we have to show these people want to take away the freedom of women to control their own bodies, that the maga extremists want to chip away at social security and medicare, they want to define the lgbtq community as some others. so it is important for us to make the case and joe biden is leading that case. kamala harris is leading that case for the american people. and as a result, we are winning special election after special election, midterm after midterm and we'll win again in 2024. >> mr. chairman, that is what i wanted to ask you about. polls come out. democrats get freaked out. not just talking about 2023, i'm talking about 2022.

everybody saying that there is a red wave coming. mika and i and willie and jonathan and all of us were saying doesn't really feel like a red wave. but people saying joe biden is too old to win, it is a joke respect it is all over. and then joe biden came to your state and hold my beer, joe biden is the nominee. and then they go he is an old man living in his basement, he can never win. and joe biden won. again, 22 red wave. and tell your mom for give me for going on, but they say he is too old. and then the state of the union address and people say that weights, he is pretty good. and then they go he is too old

and joe biden becomes the first president in american history to go to two active warzones. i won't go on, but at some point, when are the democrats going to get it and only president to ever see this sort of success in three successive elections when he is president of the united states. >> as i often say, i'm not a member of the hand wringing caucus. the phone call making caucus. we have to do everything that we can to reach out to the voters to make sure that they understand how joe biden and democrats have delivered for them. this administration has had more legislative accomplishments than

any probably since the greater society. and folks need to understand that. think about the representation. i hear what has joe biden done in the black community? think about it, we got a black vice president, an african-american democratic leader about to be the first black speaker of the house because we'll take it back in 2024. we just in virginia because of the alexandria last night, in the heart of the confederacy black woman who will be first black speaker of the house, we got a black woman standing on the supreme court. i could go on and on. we are delivering and the representation is happening under the leadership of joe biden and kamala harris. there is a lot to celebrate, still a lot to be done. as the president says, we have to finish the job, but i'm proud to be working with joe biden each and every day. >> jamie harrison, thank you and hi to your mom. thanks for being on.

>> thank you. and so a couple questions for city money and claire, but first to you, how do the republicans handle the abortion question on the debe age? is america divided? i don't think so. >> and i think that that is a problem. americans are not divided on this. you have people in red states that will take the position that push a lot of republicans into a corner. and they are out of touch with -- >> if they don't want to have abortions, they don't want to have it. as understand early. don't have one. fine. >> but they should have seen this coming. you can look at the polling

going back years and you ask do you overturning roe v. wade. and it has always been about 70% are opposed to turning over a 50 year precedent. 750%. -- 75070%. and so do you expect to hear about it yet again? >> i think that we could here something likely different from nikki hale in the first debate she had one of the better answers but she said three different things. so they have to hone in. i think that the abortion issue is hard for the current republican party because it is what many of them believe. if you talk to members of state legislatures in south carolina for example, men who are state legislatures got up before their body and said yes these rules,

this abortion limit infringes on a woman's right to privacy, but the baby is more important, there are elected leaders in our country who happen to have an r behind their name that don't believe women have rights, that women should make their own decisions about their own body. and that is what we're seeing play out. and i think democrats deserve credit because they finally went on offense. for years democrats were playing against. -- they would talk about abortion bans and people killing babies. and that does not happen. if it does, it is because the life of the mother or life of the child. so now democrats are finally getting on offense saying that they are coming to your freedoms. >> and freedom is the word that resonates in all these debates. it is freedom. and it is really compelling to

voters. men, women, republicans, democrats, independents. but also democracy matters to people. what about the economy, what is does joe biden do to use the -- "new york times" was talking about the wind of the back of democrats going into 2024. how does he use the built-in advantages in terms of the poll numbers? >> i honestly think that needs to focus less on trying to convince everyone that the economy is wonderful and he has done a wonderful job. i think that he really needs to go kugs on the contrast that america faces. and that plays right into everything that we're talking about. joe biden is old, but donald trump is old.

so it is about who do you want at the lever of power. who do you want making those difficult decisions. who will surround themselves with people who are thoughtful and who care about the same values that most americans care about. i think the biggest danger, because of the way media and social media is done now, everyone just talks to people that they agree with. these folks that are way out of touch on abortion, they are talking to people who agree with them all the time. and they are not talking to swing voters, they are not relating to the majority of america on guns, abortion. so talk to people who might disagree with you. and rather than republicans about someone's age, make sure that they are registered to vote. use your anxiety in a positive way to prepare for what i think is the most important election

this country has faced maybe in its history and that is the one one year from right now. >> 100%. >> you make the argument most important maybe since 1864 when, you know, the forth was deciding whether they would continue with the civil war and continuing to fight enslavery. but since 1864, it is really hard to find an election where there is greater contrast where candidates and their vision for america. and i went to campaign school and i remember this, on december 8, 1993, and at the beginning of that campaign school said elections are not about dta and

numbers. elections are not about statistics. elections are about contrasts. who are you, who is your opponent. you find that contrast and you drive it home every day. and with respect all to the biden campaign, i think that they are running it about data and numbers. we do it here on the show all the time. i mean, unemployment below 4%, gdp over 4%. i could talk data all day long, but claire is right, there has to be a contrast between a guy who will if he loses his speech will be graceful.

versus a guy still trying to up end american democracy, still talking about the 2020 election, still getting his supporters to say that joe biden won the election. and that is the contrast. says he is willing to terminate the constitution of the united states of america if that is what it takes for him to win the election. pretty strong contrast joe biden has to offer american voters. leave data aside. >> and i suspect that is what we'll hear the next year from the biden campaign. and you could also add in that second term for donald trump will be objectively much more dangerous than the first one because he has already signaled all the things he wants to do, all the retribution you wants to pay band now he has a speaker of the house of is a full hroater

of the denialism. and so thank you both. one more notable result from last night's reactions, yousef salaam now with a seat on the new york city. he was wrongly imprisoned. he now will represent a central harlem district after running unopposed. coming up here, a look at the role of artificial intelligence in america's elections. we'll talk to andrew ross sorkin about what meta says it is doing to provide transparency for users when it comes to political ads. and new problem for employers as the era known as the great resignation gives way

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beautiful shot of new york city at 37 past the hour. >> and it is absolutely beautiful. i want to talk to john heilemann. you and our friends at the circus, we have so many of them ,

an extraordinary eight year run and it was supposed to be a one and done. and it was like a documentary. you've created a living documentary over the past eight seasons. it has been extraordinary. you and all your partners. i don't understand why it is not continuing as we come up to the most important election year since 1864. and it is. but then again, i don't understand a lot of things that media companies do. but let's talk about what an extraordinary eight year run the circus has had. >> well, yeah, thanks, joe. i got to say, you guys have been so supportive of the show. you've had us on and played clips and helping us along.

it is a very ambitious show and never really anything like it. to try to do kind of a realtime documentary on a weekly basis, no one really tried it. a lot of people said that we were nuts to try. and says a lot about the politics. back to 2016, we thought that we'd cover this election and hillary clinton will be the president and it will be one and done and then donald trump won and so he up ended our universe. and showtime said that looks like the circus will now go on. and so now eight years later. showtime was as to as to great to us and they stuck with us and we're grateful.

i don't understand sometimes what media countries do. but we're grateful. >> yeah, it has been an incredible run. and they have brought the campaign to us up close. >> who knows. maybe the circus could come to town near you. meta is announcing that political advertisers will have to disclose when they use artificial intelligence to alter or digitally create media in ways that could be misleading. but the policy stops short of

banning altered media all together. and let's bring in andrew ross sorkin for that and more. >> thanks so much for being here. you know, there is already an election in europe that was swamped by ai. altered stroiss. and most experts think that ai changed the election. >> i think it stick naturals how good ai has become and how will meta track this.

it is one thing for them to say we have voluntarily done this. but if you hire human beings to track it, if you don't take it down, what happens. what happens if an entire campaign is sending big money dollars to a meta. do they stop it. and other piece is give them credit that meta is publicly saying that they will do this. what about everybody else? what twitter, youtube, so many other platforms? they always say don't trust your eyes. can you trust your eyes any nor, what can you trust? >> that is the conundrum. that is -- you really can't. there was a johnny cash version

and i swear to god it sounded like johnny cash. so frightening stuff. i want to talk about china and foreign investment. but the great resignation. everybody was quiet willing quitting and they went to a beach somewhere or maybe hike. >> get a dog. >> get a dog. walk around, hang out. you know, why do i have to work. that sort of thing. now the "wall street journal" reporting yesterday we've gone the complete opposite way. >> coming to an end. >> not only coming to an end, companies can't get rid of their people they want to get rid of. everybody is hanging on for dear life.

>> well, after the pandemic, even pre-pandemic, you had peopleob hopping regularly. that unto itself created a real problem for companies because they were trying to invest in training them and realized that that training which is very expensive is all of a sudden going to be used for people to go to another company quickly and that they would have to get used to this idea of all of this job hopping. now we're in a situation where i think that employees are saying that there may not be a job on the other side of this despite the great economic or unemployment numbers i should say. they are starting to have a feeling especially in tech and other industries, if i leave, be nobody will be picking up tomorrow. so bank of america, all these big companies had expected stop churn so they anticipated that they would have to hire more people and all of that. in some ways that is good news for the companies and other ways a bit of a planning problem creating a new problem.

>> the big stay. andrew ross sorkin -- >> big stay, i like that. and yesterday taylor swift encouraged her 275 million instagram followers to head to the polls, that is a lot, and the website saw over 70,000 clicks yesterday. two-thirds of them from people under the age of 35. and this is as swift's rereleased album is making will history garnering the first week tally for any album since 2015. and joining us now is music critic from variety. chris, great to have you on. i guess she did get people to get out the vote. so makes is aens that lot of people would buy her album. >> crazy to have this reissue

outselling an original. talk about that historical impact. >> i also think about the phrase rules don't apply. and even to be doing a rerecording campaign is unprecedented. and then to have the reissues -- not reissue, rerecordings outdo the originals is additional unprecedented territory. and she was so angry when her catalog was bought. i think of a title better than revenge where she said there is nothing i like better than revenge and the other, she had a stong called mad woman which i think was explicitly about be angry about the catalog being bought out from under her. and she says you call me crazier, the crazier i get. so she had this craze crazy idea

to rerecord her cat going. catalog. and so now more than double any of the previous in her campaign. catalog. and so now more than double any of the previous in her campaign. catalog. and so now more than double any of theres in her campaign.ng. catalog. and so now more than doublan of the previous in her campaign. and so now more th dble any of the previous in her campaign. and so nowanouble any of the previous in her campaign. beats the highe of midnights. >> and so chris, you've covered music for a long time. can you compare what we're seeing right now with taylor swift to anything else? is it michael jackson in 1984, is it the beatles, is it elvis? just pure dominance of popular culture, selling out football stadiums with over tens of thousands of fans outside listening because they couldn't get inside to get a ticket, travis kelce thing, what are we watching exactly? >> i don't think that there is anything comparable really. two years ago people might have said that she was on a legal level with beyonce and adele and

now i think that we're past this. her tour will trouble any tour in history. you have the movie that is at $165 million box office, multiple, multiple times what any concert movie has ever done. and so i keep going back to the beatles and yet beatles quit touring in 1966. so there is nothing on the tour level that can compare. all you can compare it to with the beatles is the album run. they have a great nine or ten album run. she's ten albums in. actually eight albums in the last four years. four original, four rerecordings. not has ever seen that except maybe when the beatles were putting them out quickly. so the comparisons are hard to come by. even michael jackson i don't think compares.

>> and what i find so fascinating, when you and john heilemann and i were growing up, you had, you know, top 40, you had sort of album oriented rock, r&b, country. and spotify sort of spread it out. and so now the million different segments that we've seen, like how does she do that? seen, like how does she do that how does she break across all boundaries? >> yeah, you know, we think that music can't be as dominant as it was because of the lack of a mono culture. evenk taylor swift, i see peop popping up in my swede proudly

proclaiming they've never heard a taylor swift song. and i don't know what hole you'd have to dig for that to be possible. even if you're notfo paying attention to the music,yo she'sn there as part of the nfl universe now. if you ever think about movie theaters, you're aware of the movie being in theaters, and so she's spread even beyond those eight albums she's put out in four years. inn some ways that's almost li the least of the things she's done to stay relevant in pop culture. the film has just put it in anotherpu ballpark altogether wh the 165 million gross and still going and, you know, crowding out every other movie so that if you're watching the exorcist, you're hearing taylor swift bleed in from next door with three hours of very loud songs. >> senior music writer and chief music critic at variety chris willman, thank you so much for coming on thisn, morning, and i glad she got the vote out too. >> incredible. we're followingou the lates developments in donald trump's civil fraud trial. moments ago, ivanka trump

arrived innk court where she is set to take the witness stand and testify in her father's $250 million case that really threatens the family's entire business empire. we're back in two minutes with much more "morning joe." ning jo" ♪♪ with fastsigns, create custom graphics that get tails and tongues wagging. ♪♪ fastsigns. make your statement.

in 2015, a tunisian mother of four found herself at the center of international headlines when her two oldest daughters ran away from home to join isis. what followed was a long period of self-reflection from the mother about how she could have raised her daughters differently to prevent their act of rebellion. eight years later, three and her remaining children are opening up about their ordeal in a powerful new documentary titled "four daughters" with professional actors playing the older daughters in reenactments,

the film explores how a seemingly normal family could be infiltrated by islamic extremism, and how those left behind begin to pick up the pieces after unimaginable tragedy. joining us now is that film's director. it's great to have you with us. thank you so much. congratulations on this film, which has gotten so much acclaim around the world. we're grateful to have you here. can you just set the story for our viewers, how you came to this, and tell us a little bit more about this family. >> i heard about it in 2016 when it became public. so i wanted to do documentary about it to understand because when i don't understand something, i do a movie. so it was a long journey, and finally we -- i finished -- i started shooting in 2021, and the movie was -- in 2023 and was premiered at cannes film festival in main competition,

which was just great and now it's picked by tunisia to represent the oscars, and it's also in movie theater in new york and l.a. and soon in so many other movie theaters here in u.s. >> so for people who don't know the story, let's sort of start at the beginning, if you could, and talk about the mother and what happened with the two older daughters. >> the story is -- we have this mother called olfan, she have four daughters, she up raised her daughters in a very difficult neighborhood, and there is like a transmission of violence from generation to generation, and at some point her daughters, as you said, it was their period of rebellion, you know, to say no to their mother. so the two eldest, they disappeared. and as we say in the movie in the beginning, they were like the -- by the wolf.

so we understand little by little how this tragedy happened. so i want to tell this story without any prejudgment, preconceived idea, and my main purpose was to understand why. >> that's some rebellion, joining isis. so what do we know about where they are now? is there any hope for this family to get the daughters back? do they know where they are? what's the state of that? >> this spoil the end of the movie. >> don't spoil the end of it. do they have hope? i'll leave it there. >> there is hope because people change, change their beliefs, which is beautiful to see and to capture in a movie, so there is a lot of hope. >> the documentary film, you'll have to watch to see the end. "four daughters." it is in theaters now in select cities. a choice at canne. it's great to meet you. >> thank you.

in our remake minutes here, let's go back where we began. that is a huge election night last night. democrats breathing maybe temporarily but a little bit easier based on what they saw last night. >> an incredible night. >> an incredible night in ohio, virginia, and kentucky. we learned -- i think what we learned the last midterms when they were saying the red wave was coming. what we found out the next morning is that voters don't like insurrections. they like democracy. they don't like having their rights taken away from them. they want the right to health care. these are the things we're learning from the american electorate, and i don't know why republicans are not learning from past elections. it will be so interesting as republicans take to the stage tonight in miami for the debate, which msnbc and nbc are handling and how they handle the issue nbc is handling the debate, how

they handle the issue of abortion. how they handle knowing most americans are against having a 50-year precedent overturned, and they were told that in grand form last night. >> and jonathan lemire, they were told that in 2022. they keep being told that, and they keep making the same mistake. >> yeah, the republicans keep making the same bet, and that bet seems to be a losing one. they're betting on extremism. they're betting on abortion. they continue to bet on donald trump and his acolytes, some of them will be on display this evening on that debate, and we see trump atop the polls and we are now the next election is the general election, is the presidential election. the countdown to 2024 begins. >> last night john heilemann, republicans on fox news and elsewhere said we've got to change course. we have to re-evaluate our position on abortion. unclear how you do that after 50 years of fighting for what you got, which is the reversal of roe versus wade. that is the position, and it's

costing them politically. >> well, yeah, and the broader question that jonathan and you guys have raised, how do you change course now when donald trump is gliding his way -- he represents the abortion question, as you guys played those clips earlier. i had a conversation yesterday, and you'll all have sympathy with me, with steve bannon who says there is no republican party anymore. there is only the maga movement, and the maga movement you must say to be part of it, you must say that donald trump is the right and true president. joe biden is an illegitimate president. you've got to keep denying elections. it's just a recipe for electoral disaster as far as i can see. >> keep banking on losers. >> and the thing is it's not just freedom that they care about for women. it's also -- it is about democracy. >> yeah. >> we see it in the polls. we saw it in '22 and we saw it last week. >> we tend to like what we've got here. that does it for us this morning, ana cabrera picks up the coverageht