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countdown to shutdown. new republican house speaker, mike, johnson lays out his plan to prevent a catastrophic closure of our government in five days. members of his own party arch buying it. we're live on capitol hill this morning with overnight reaction. plus, in the dark. the world health organization says that it's lost contact with the largest hospital in gaza, as israeli forces are still showing sites all around it. live report from israel, coming up. later, the dawn. trump's former fixer, michael cohen, says there is a reason why the most indicted ex president in history operates like a law boss. it's becoming evident, more, more each day. it's a quarter of a billion civil fraud trial in new york. michael cohen joins us live to explain. and, american dream. the son of african immigrants become rhode island's first black congressman. we'll talk to former biden aide about his big win, and plans after taking office. all of that and more is coming

up. a good sunday morning to. all i'm katie phang. we start today's show with house speaker mike johnson's hail mary bid to keep the government from falling off a financial cliff. that dire deadline is a ticking closer, we are five days away from what could be a full scale government shutdown. johnson has only been speaker for 18 days, and this is the first true test of his leadership skills. what is his plan to keep the government funded and thousands of federal employees paid? it's a two-step, continuing resolution. it is never before been attempted by congress. it would mean several spending bills will be extended through january 19th, and the rest, through february seconds. now, what's not included in the stopgap bill? eight israel and budget cuts. the house is on track to vote

on it as early as tuesday. johnson is already facing resistance from hard-liners within his own party, including from congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene. she says she is, quote, voting no on this. white house press secretary's also responded quickly, saying, quote, this proposal is just a recipe for more republican chaos, and more shutdowns, full stop. joining us now, live nbc capitals correspondent, julie sorkin. good, morning good to see. , now this plan is expected to be voted on as early as tuesday. there's a lot to come between now and that day. what should we expect? >> right, now the members are given a window to read what's actually in this bill. the first procedural hurdle for speaker johnson is going to come a day earlier than tuesday. it'll be tomorrow. that's because the rules committee is going to meet to consider this bill in order for the bill to even make it on to the floor, republicans who are in majority, would need to

voted out of the rules committee. that is going to be hard because you have guys like chip roy on that panel. you already said that he's a no on this bill, because he said that it's 100% clean. you mentioned those budget cuts that aren't a part of this. plan that's something i'm told the conservatives really wanted johnson to make sure was in this bill, even this to tear, it clattered response he designed to make it more palatable for some of those members who never voted for stopgap measures. that is to force the senate to vote on individual bills, rather than the spending package. they are frustrated that this does not include any cuts. as you, mentioned democrats have said that that's a red line, now it's not in there. >> yeah, julie, we know that the white house in the senate, they're not going to okay any of this. what are you hearing from capitol hill in terms of people in the senate? >> here's what's interesting, katie. obviously we have this very strong review from the white house of this plan. we've heard from democrats time and time again, that they hate the support. they say it's complicated, it's

unnecessary, it'll cause chaos. here's the thing, i'm hearing from a senior democrat who feels that speaker johnson came closer to democrats with this plan by not including those budget cuts, by making some of those government funding deadlines to january in february, not leading the complicated bills for that first deadline, so they have a chance to space them out. that does not sound like a red line to. me it does not, it's dead on arrival in the. senate democrats need to vote for, especially of johnson is not able to keep is very fragile and tight majority together. the clock is ticking. we have five days until the shutdown. democrats and republicans both don't want, wanting especially with those global wars going on overseas. >> johnson's only had the shot for but 18 days, he's never turned a congressional committee. this is a true test of his ability to get this done. nbc news capitol hill correspondent, thanks for getting a start of this morning. now we're going to turn

overseas to the latest on the israel-hamas war. the largest hospital in gaza is still under attack, and surrounded by israeli military forces. this morning, cause the health minister reports that al-shifa hospital is now out of service. the world health officials saying they've lost contact with that hospital, it's fuel russians could run out tonight. officials are warning that 37 premature babies are at risk of dying as incubators, icus, and ventilator's are expected to stop working. israeli defense forces say that hamas is using the space underneath al-shifa hospital, as its headquarters. nbc news has not independently verified that claim. joining us, now nbc news correspondent is live to tel aviv for us. josh, good to see you. the world health organization reporting that there been more than 250 attacks on gaza's health care system, now we know that al-shifa hospital is also out of service. what can you tell us about the conditions as they are ongoing and gaza? >> katie, the hospital system

in gaza is collapsing right now. like a senate dominoes. another hospital is now also out of service. as of information from about an hour ago. al-shifa hospital, as you mentioned, our colleague spoke with a surgeon they're saying that there is somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 bodies that are piling up. they have no place, or no so if way to bury them, even onsite of the hospital. as she was speaking to him by, phone you can hear the explosion from bob barr bunts outside the hospital. the israeli military now acknowledging that its tanks are in the area. they say that it's not specifically targeting that hospital. we've also heard from the israeli military that they plan to evacuate some of those premature babies that you mentioned, they were stuck at that hospital, this is given the possibility that those incubators could simply shut off that they run out of electricity. >> josh, yesterday, during a news conference, israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, says that idea has taken over gaza city, and after the war, up the regional be demilitarize,

israel will control security and the region indefinitely. nbc news hasn't verified that claim, but what has been the reaction on the ground to this announcement? >> this is the big question, what happens to gaza and those civilians who are now evacuated to the south after this war? actually, this morning, we heard from israel's agriculture minister in an interview where he said that what they're doing right now is the cause that nakba. the nakba is a palestinian, arabic term for the displacement that occurred in 1948 and palestinians. they refer to it as a catastrophe. this minister, he is suggesting that this could be a long term displacement of gazans to live in the northern gaza strip. we haven't heard from prime minister netanyahu's office about that comment, from one of his own cabinet members. in the meantime, human rights groups are starting to raise real concerns about whether israel is doing enough to prevent civilian casualties here. i want you to hear from some that i heard, from the leading israeli rights group about what

they are not doing. >> it's totally unacceptable to just, you know, absolve yourself by saying that hamas did, it it's their fault. no. we are responsible for our own actions. we have to conduct our military operation in a way that respects, and differentiates, between warriors and civilians. >> katie, in the meantime, we are also getting a visit here in israel today from chris christie, the republican presidential candidate. he is the first one of those gop candidates to actually visit israel since the start of this war, as these various republicans are really trying to show that they are the strongest supporter amongst that field. they are landing a short while ago. they plan to meet with families of those hostages, he is here as well with israel's elected leaders during this visit to israel. i'll have a chance to sit down with chris christie later in the day today, we'll have that free this evening here at msnbc. katie. >> josh lederman, it's always

so good to see you again. please stay safe. nbc news foreign correspondent, josh lederman. thanks. coming up in the next hour, on the sunday show with jo capehart, national security council coordinator for strategic communications, john kirby. will join him to talk about rising tensions in the middle east, as israel steps up its offensive and gaza. that's a 90 am. right here, on msnbc. still to come, this morning, on the katie phang show, playing defense. this kicks off day one of the defense and trump's civil fraud trial. don jr. is expected back on the stand. will he do more harm than good? former trump fixer, michael, cohen joins me live with his thoughts. first, winning at any cost. ohio republicans are playing dirty. they're re-setting their sights on reproductive rights after voters decided this week to enshrine abortion access into the state's constitution. inside that sneaky maneuver state lawmakers are using to subvert the will of their voters. that's coming up next. up next.

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reproductive rights has now been put into legal jeopardy. earlier this week, in the red leading state of ohio, 57% of voters chose to enshrine in the state's constitution and individuals right to make, and carry, out their own reproductive decisions, including abortion birth control. within days, ohio republicans are already attempting to silence the will of voters by eliminating the executive

branch's autrity to inte that amendment. four gop lawmakers put it this way in a press release on thursday. saying, quote, to prevent mishit by pro bush in courts, with the issue, ohio legislators will consider removing the jurdiion from the judiciary over this ambiguous ball initiative. the ohio legislate one will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst, former u.s. attorney of michigan, and the co-host of this, hashtag, #sistersinlaw podcast. barbara mcquade. barb, when i heard this, i mean, other than being angry, you know, of course the legal part of it kicked. and i, thought i have to ask barb about this. barb, straight to the point, is this possible? can lawmakers divest jurisdiction from the judiciary branch over something like this new amendment? >> not legally, katie, but of, course if it's a legislature, they can pass laws that do this,

and then it would require a court challenge to strike it down. as you know, from the first day of law school, there is a case and constitutional law called marbury versus madison, right? i'm sure every lawyer remembers that fondly, or with nightmares. that's the case that says that it's the courts that interpret the law and decide what the law is. that is the structure of our government. i think, ultimately, this would be struck down as unconstitutional within the state of ohio. at the moment, they have the power in the states, in the gop has, the control of the legislature. they can create their own mischief in the meantime. >> yeah, barb, to kind of carry it along the path, even if the legislature cannot and knocked a law to combat what the will of the voters was resounded, lay 57%, the ohio supreme court is still very conservative, quote unquote. it is a very red state. is there a way for the judicial system, if it's been driven by

conservative kind of presets, or concepts, could they drive the interpretation of this amendment and away the defeats the purpose of having a past in the first place? >> i think they. cut there are two issues. one is, ohio has 31 restrictions on reproductive rights. the legislature is, they're not going to revoke any of those. they're going to stay on the books. people are going to have to challenge those one by one. if the course wanted to do mischief, they could undercut this new constitutional amendment. there is another argument that is being floated by one of the republican lawmakers, there and that is that this state constitutional amendment, protecting reproductive rights, actually violates the federal 14th amendment rights equal protection of the law, because it violates it discriminates against. unborn persons. so if the supreme court of ohio were to take that argument up, it could strike down this new won constitutional amendment. i don't think that will fly ultimately, courts have

interpreted persons to mean born persons, not fetuses. this is interpreting the law of the state of ohio, so the supreme court of ohio is the last word who will be close as you should breathe. >> those people think this is only happening in ohio, in your own state of michigan, barb, there is a group of gop lawmakers who are suing the block, the actual implementation of a similar abortion rights amendment in the state of michigan. is that another option for the gop to actually go to court and sue to be able to say, you know, what this amendment doesn't have any ability to move forward? it cannot be implemented? >> yes, it's another strategy. you, know it's very interesting, katie, to see that after the idea was, let's return these decisions to the states. let the people decide what they want the law to be. that the gop lawmakers are trying to defeat the will of the people. i think that these efforts will ultimately be unsuccessful, but it really shows a blatant disregard for democracy. >> barb, i want to switch gears

and talk about trump legal. not about a case in particular, but a bigger strategy. i want to talk about interlocutory appeals. i think we'll see this come up a, lot this phrase. as certain motions filed by trump, as he loses them, he fouls the motion to dismiss, for example, in front of the judge in d.c., saying he has absolute immunity from prosecution, for example. and he loses that motion. normally in federal criminal cases, these types of appeals that are called interlocutor appeals, they're not entertained. in this instance, do you think that because it's a former president of the united states, perhaps the process would kick in, and then we wouldn't see a trial happening anytime soon? >> yeah, so you're, right ordinarily there is something called the final judgment rule, as you know. that you can wait until the end, to be able to bring your appeals. otherwise, this piecemeal delay of a trial that would go on and on forever. but, there are a couple of issues at the threshold, that a

court will allow interlocutory appeals for. that is if a person never should've been charged criminally at all. he can't be put back in his place and restored to the status quo. one of those would be immunity, the other would-be double jeopardy. both of these are issues that donald trump has raised, motions that i think are likely to be defeated and the district court. they are immediately appealable. one of the things trucks with his assets for the court to respond to these issues quickly, so there can be an interlocutory appeal, quickly, and stay on schedule for the schedule that is in march. that is no doubt the strategy of donald trump. to delay as long as possible, and try to put these trials off until after the election. >> doesn't it become problematic, barb, if this interlocutory appeal is filed by donald trump. for example, doesn't that mean that the trial, court the district court, for example, judge chunk, and doesn't have jurisdiction over him anymore. everything gets state. nothing moves forward as these

courts are deciding. this could it go as for as the united states supreme court? >> i think that's yes. i think it is likely to build in a delays, so that is why jack smith is urging judge chunking to decide these two motions so quickly. a lot of them are issues that, even if donald trump loses, as we have to wait until the end of the trial. both of these, you know, double jeopardy, i don't. now this one seems silly. the immunity question is unresolved. because the conduct in the -- goes beyond the scope of donald trump, as the president, i think it is an easy loser. both issues could go to the d.c. circuit court of appeals, and the supreme court, and they will decide both of these issues quickly. the trial date in march is looming, which is quite possible that these appeals could put that date off now. i think it's possible to decide them before the election in november, but only if the court is happy.

>> justice, the wheels of justice sometimes move a little too slowly for our taste, right? barbara mcquade, always great to have you here. thanks for being here. >> thank, you katie. >> coming up next, the former trump fixer, michael cohen, on what he's expecting from trump's defense in the civil fraud trial. plus, the note from trump revealing the formula he uses to attack his political enemies. we've got that, and a lot more. coming up this morning. keep it on msnbc. keep it onsn mbc ok, someone just did laundry... no, i add downy light so the freshness really lasts. yeah, most scented stuff gives me a headache, but this is just right. and i don't like anything. but i like this. get a light scent that lasts with no heavy perfumes or dyes. ( ♪ ♪ ) i have moderate to severe crohn's disease.

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financial statements that issue. shifting the blame instead to the trump organization's internal annex journal accounts. some are raising an eyebrow at the strategy behind bringing don jr. back to the stand again. especially considering that judge -- had already found that fraud was perpetrated by all of the defendants in this case. joining me now, former counsel to donald trump, principle of the company crisis, x. host of the political beat podcast, and author of revenge and disloyal, michael cohen. it's always so good to have you on the show. let's talk about this defense by donald trump. first witness, don jr., tomorrow morning. judge engoron already making findings of fraud. is john junior testifying because trump wants him to, and lawyers like elena hall but chris kai are too scared or incompetent to tell donald trump no? >> i think you just nailed it right on the head there, katie. it makes no sense to me. what's the strategy here that they're trying to employ? first and foremost, as you

appropriately and accurately stated, the issue of liability has already been decided. this is specifically a case on to scorch mom. how much? if don jr.'s own words, as to what role did he play, his comments was that he was merely a broker. i'm not even sure what that means. a sea referring to real estate broker, a deal broker? i don't need to think don junior knows. in essence, he lied. he perjured himself under oath before judge engoron. now, eric, who i understand is going to be testifying as well, he stated that all he does that the company is poor concrete. clearly another lie, and we'll, perjury. what i don't understand is the strategy. what i will tell you is that donald trump, he has to know that this is a stupid strategy. it's only a strategy that benefits him, for whatever

reason, and i don't know the answer, it can only benefit donald. this is interesting, because as a parent, you would think that his goal would be to protect his children. instead, what he is doing as he is putting them in the line of fire. there are perjury traps. none of, them including ivanka, who has no idea what's going on anywhere. they keep talking about joe biden's cognition, she's the only one that seems to have forgotten things 30 times. so donald trump is using his children to benefit himself. i don't understand the strategy. >> you, know michael, keeping on that vein of trump using others to benefit himself, even his own children, i found something interesting that happened with judge engoron. he said an open court that trump speaks in cote. that is something, michael, that you have been sane time and time again over the years. do you think that that means that judge uncle ron also thinks that donald trump

operates like a mob boss? >> well, here's what we know for a fact. one, he has no email address, and never had an email address. i'm referring to when he was at the trump organization. he also doesn't tax. basically, all of his notes are relatively cryptic except for when he is talking to you. then it is exactly like a mob boss. it's cryptic. when he had said to me, which i testified on the stand, which is, michael, i'm not worth five and a half billion. well, he said it to, me and allen weissenberg. i'm not with five and a half billion. and, facts and probably worth six, you know what, it's probably seven, maybe eight. you guys go back, figure it out, come see me. now, is that specifically telling me and allen why us to go back and to change numbers? well, no, specifically it's not. it's not explicit, but because

we were around him for so long, we understood the code. allen and i implicitly knew exactly what he wanted. that is exactly what he got. >> so there is an old, tired page in the trump playbook, witches blame everybody else, which we just talked about, but there is also this plug and play that can happen. you, recently, discovered a handwritten notes written by donald trump. we're going to put it up on the screen for our viewers. it basically shows, michael, that you canplug in somebody else's name, and that person ends up being the bad guy. you can take obama, which is on the note that we see on the screen right now. you can put biden, and you could put comey on, you ca putt, you know, anyone else's name, including michael cohen's name. but it shows us the same repetitive attacks that are made by donald trump. what does that tell you, michael, about the nature of the donald trump defense over and over again over the years?

>> he is the victim all the time. he is always using somebody else as the reason why he is in these troubles. always the victim. always somebody else's fault. i it's side when i was testifying before the house oversight committee, i don't want people to lose truck. that was only one hearing out of seven that i gave testimony to. that donald's always plays the victim, it's always somebody else's fault. he is never to blame for anything. and, fact none of us have seen, over the four year period, when he was president, taking accountability for anything. this playbook is easy to understand. if you look at donald's history, plain and simple. >> riddle me this, make it make sense. how does somebody who is just the victim all the time, like donald trump, yet, simultaneously, wants to claim that he's such a brilliant and seasoned accomplish businessman entrepreneur. how does he have time to be so

accomplished and to do so well if he's always been victimized. >> that is only an answer on some can figure out. like the theory of relativity. i think that it goes well beyond understanding. he is always, always the victim. not only to see what's the picture, he's also the most successful at everything that he does. i think that what we've all seen, whether it's the mortgage, or state, or vodka, casinos, university, go on and on, he is not the success that he wants to portray himself us. >> do you mention trump stakes, i didn't hear that, michael cohen. >> i did, i think that was second. that could've been second in line. >> michael cohen, as always, thanks for coming here and sharing your insight. i really appreciate it. >> good to see, you katie. >> coming up, the voters have spoken, but are they being silenced? we're going to check in with former guess from ohio, where voters decided this week to

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of ohioans united for reproductive rights joined the katie phang show on this -- to amend the state constitution from a simple majority vote to 60%. now, when voters went to the polls, they overwhelmingly defeated that special election question, helping pave the way for victory this week when voters passed ise one, enshrine ortion rights into ohio state constitution. but, now thanks to republican state lawmakers, we still have a major battle ahead. joining me once again, i have the honor of having the co-chair, and dr. loren be, the committee member of ohioans united for reproductive rights. the lawrence, as, always it's great to have you on the show. as they did before, lauren lavelle, call you, lauren and dr. loren, been we're going to get that to use. we're going to call you doctor. being, lauren i'm going to start with you. i want to get your initial reaction. hadn't been elation enjoy, to

pass issue one on tuesday, but then, did you ever anticipate having to confront this next gop obstacle? >> we're overwhelmed, overjoyed. ohioans, 56%, over 56% voted yes on issue one to protect abortion access, to protect our personal medical decisions. they turned out in droves across the state. we are and unbelievably overjoyed. frankly, not really surprise that our representatives are not listening to their constituents. ultimately, that's what got us here in the first place. they passed over 31 abortion bans and restrictions, including a six-week band that is so extreme, ohio voters had to change it. that was why we had to turn out to vote yes on one, we had to stop the extreme ban that lawmakers had the chance to hear over a decade when they were trying to pass that ban from community members, saying they don't want this been. this is outside the state house

when the ban was passed, they've been working this entire time in strong coalition to ensure abortion access is the law of the land in ohio. that is what it is now that we've voted in issue, and to change the constitution, to protect abortion access. lawmakers, they need to listen to their constituents. we will, absolutely, keep fighting. ohio representative should listen to ohio voters. >> dr., being the statement that was released by those republican legislatures alleged, without evidence, because i want to underscore this, for that foreign election interference. we've heard that before. they're also saying that they're going to introduce, quote, several bills to address the passing of issue one. how does your organization plan to counter what's coming down the pipeline? >> yeah, i think that similar to what lauren said, this is kind of been how they've been operating the entire last year. there is the antiabortion

politicians in ohio, they've really been throwing everything at the wall, and seeing what sticks. i honestly really feel like this is another example of that, as of them, you know, just trying to find any way that they can to confuse people, trying to see what they can do to stop the people from being able to get basic medical care. i think as far as what we're going to do, we're going to keep fighting. we are an organization of health care professionals who have frontline experience, and understand why it was so important for people to be able to access reproductive health care when they needed's, and, also, lawrence, that we know people who will share their stories. people are brave, they will come forward. you, know we're planning on helping to amplify the message of why this is so important, and why the people who signed that statement are just so

wrong. >> dr., being i want to stay with you, because i want to understand the issue one is not just about abortion access. this is, quote, from the amendment, it is specifically claring that individual -- individuals right to carry out once reproductive decisions like birth control, fertility treatments, miscarriage, and abortion, up to the point to fetal viability. from a medical perspective, how important was it, and is it's, to continue to ensure that individuals have the rights to be able to make these types of decisions for their medical health? >> oh, it's so important. we see why it's so important in areas of the country where these basic rights, to be able to control you on reproductive biology, have been attacked, and have been limited and how detrimental that is on women's health, in areas of the country where they don't have these

sorts of protections. they have much higher maternal mortality rates, infant mortality rates, then areas that do allow and protect the rights of people to make their own health care decisions regarding their own we production. this is just, you know, all of those, everything that this amendment covers will ensure that its people of ohio will have, you know, control over decisions that they need to in order to ensure that they're healthy and safe. >> lauren, your movement in ohio, although, it might not be over yet, depending on the challenges that are coming down the pipeline, but it's embolden abortion rights groups across the country. groups are gathering signatures and swing state such as arizona, my state of florida, and nevada. what if i saw you have for these states as they go forward with their own measures? >> build a strong, diverse coalition. continue to work with

grassroots volunteers and storytellers. faith leaders. people from across your states, and make sure that you continue to stick to your message. we want to have a very clear message to get through the misinformation from the other side. it was important for voters to understand that voting yes was the only way to stop the ban, protect abortion access, and keeping a clear message, with all the misinformation, that is the most important strategy, and to stick with your coalition because it takes a lot of people, a lot of amazing ohioans, to put in everything they had, so we could win. >> laura, the highly restrictive 2019 abortion ban in the state of ohio, it was kind of put on the backburner legally while this is going on in terms of the votes. i mean, how optimistic do you remain that because issue one pass, this past week, that perhaps that abortion ban, and maybe another 30 very restricted abortion bans in ohio, they may be off the books? >> issue one was very clear.

a change the constitution to protect our reproductive health care decisions, to protect abortion access, and the extreme abortion ban clearly blocks abortion access. so it is our estimation that the legal process will be fair, and that's issue one, and what the ohio voters had called for, will stand. >> yeah, i had barbara mcquade on a little bit ago, on the show, to talk about the legal mechanisms that are going on. she shared your optimism about the ability to make sure that this continues. thank you to the lawrence. we're going to keep an eye on what has happened since the passing of issue one. thank you for coming back to the show to talk about the success of your efforts. >> thank you. look >> coming up after the break, and ocean state victory. representative-elect, democratic gabe -- has made history in rhode island is the first black congressmen. he joins us next to talk about

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island special congressional election, it's 11 wall. on tuesday, democrat, gabriel armand, a former whiteou aide in the obama and -- have won the state's first congressional district seat. soon, he will make history as the states first black member of congress. this congressman-elect is the son of west african immigrants. he succeeds former democratic congressman who stepped down from his seat in june to become the ceo of the rhode island foundation. almost be ten other democrats, and then trounced jerry leonard on tuesday, honoring nearly 7% of the votes. joining me now is congressman -elect, from rhode island, gave

amo. it's a pleasure to have you on the show. first and, foremost great to have you, congratulations on the win. what inspired me is that your story is emblematic of the american dream. near the son of immigrants, the boston globe reported that your son was earning just barely $2 an hour when he arrived at the u.s. from ghana with you to vote on tuesday. what does all this mean for you and your family? >> first, thank you so much for having me, katie. congratulations. it means a lot to me. the fact that road islanders will take my story, which i often talked about as a rhode island story, but it is also an american story of hard work, great resilience, and determination, to have the son of a nurse, the son of a liquor store owner, both to us african immigrants, they have their son go from a community here, you know, with their roots, to working with two presidents, to the other side of pennsylvania avenue. it means a lot to me. i am honored to be in this

position, and to get sworn in tomorrow night. >> tomorrow night, okay. we were wondering when that was gonna happen. congressman-elect. i am very excited to call you congressman after tomorrow night. gabe, tell the viewers, you left a job at the white house. you were president joe biden's principal liaison, and you left that job to run for office. when people had a question to you to make that move, what did you tell them? >> well, it started with my parents. they said that you are doing what? you are as special assistant to the president. mayors across the country have yourself a number, and you want to come home, a place that i really had never left, but do the hard work of asking people for their support, asking people for their votes. the reason i was so committed to it is because i did also have great belief from lots of those same people. my parents, friends, they said there's no one better for this. you understand the state, you

have our values. you should go out there or try to get the votes. it was hard, but we have a great belief in ourselves. >> president obama called you and offer his congratulations on your win. you've got to the experience, gabe. you worked in a white house, you forked in two administrations. how much of that experience is going to be able to translate when you go to capitol hill, and you serve congress? >> i think that experience anchors me and been solutions oriented. it takes me out of what we see from the house republican majority, and their attention to the extremes. i want to make things work. that's what i said to rhode island jurors along the campaign. you know, doing things like investing in people, places, like the president and the democratic congress did over the first two years of the biden harris administration. we need to return to this. i will work at making sure that we implements, as well as possible, in the first congressional district, so that

people can start to experience more of the great achievements that we put forward, and so much greatness is ahead. >> gabe, you are going to be going into a circus and congress. i'm talking about the gop side. the infighting that's going on there, we got a five-day deadline, to a government shutdown. there is a lot going on. i know that you have some really important priorities. how do you think will implement the solutions? i love the idea that you are solutions based. how you can make that happen? >> i think it starts with part of the experience that i had. i've had jobs where a disasters had around the country, from hurricane, to monkeypox, to you name the multi. i have been fixated on trying to make people's lives better. in fact, that is the essential function of government. to be there when people need you. it starts with preemptive in, and ensuring that there is not a government shutdown.

we future that must just. clear that the federal employees, the contractors, will not be getting a paycheck. they're going to be deeply hurt by a shutdown. there are seniors, and any, you know, activity from the social security administration that isn't supporting them when they need help the most. that's bad for us. the power of that narrative is what i hope to tap into, along a career in congress. that is around a lot of issues, but it starts with what mission number one is this week, and hopefully, that is of aberdeen a government shutdown. >> you got your hands full. congressman-elect, gabe abo. i gotta tell you, i've got a nine year old daughter. when i see people like you, and others, that not only have the enthusiasm, but they have the experience, the private system, and this optimism that things will get better, because they make it better. that makes me feel good. all of my daughter know that i interviewed you today, shall be excited. thank you for joining us, congressman-elect. after, tonight you will be

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