right now on "ana cabrera reports," we are following breaking news out of gaza. israel launching a targeted operation inside al-shifa

hospital. what this means for the hundreds of people who have been trapped in that hospital for days. plus, the high stakes meeting between two of the most powerful leaders in the world. also ahead, the director of the fbi and secretary of homeland security in the hot seat on capitol hill right now. the questions they're facing during a hearing on worldwide threat to the u.s. and an emergency hearing in the georgia election interference case. the d.a. seeking a new protective order after bomb shell videos were leaked. hello, and thanks so much for joining us. it's 10:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york, and we begin with the breaking news in gaza. israel launching a targeted military operation inside gaza's al-shifa hospital. this is the main hospital. idf forces raiding that hospital where hundreds of people have been trapped for days with little food, fuel, or medical

supplies. israel is calling it a precise and targeted operation against hamas. the israeli military released this edited video showing what they describe as soldiers delivering medical supplies including incubators and food for dozens of babies inside that hospital complex. joining us now is nbc use keir simmons from tel aviv, israel. keir, what's the state of this operation in that hospital right now? >> reporter: well, ana, hospital officials tell us that the israeli soldiers stormed the al-shifa hospital. there are 650 patient, 400 medical staff and a few thousand people displaced in the complex. just in the past few minutes, we've heard from prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he has posted a video and the video talks about he views as the success of this operation.

in the video he says we were told we wouldn't be able to reach gaza city. we did. we were told we wouldn't be able to go into al-shifa hospital, we did. and then he says importantly, there's no place in gaza we will not reach. this morning the israeli defense force releasing edited images it says shows fighting in the gaza strip. and gaza's health ministry run by hamas sending video it says shows the intensive care unit of al-shifa hospital. a shell hit, he says. there's gas and heavy smoke. we're evacuating patients. nbc news cannot independently confirm what the footage shows. israel announcing an operation to target, quote, terrorist activity at al-shifa. al-shifa is where doctors say 36 premature babies are being cared for with no power for incubators. one little boy injured was rescued from rubble.

the doctor says four babies were born by cesarean, their mothers dead. israeli defense forces releasing images from al-shifa with soldiers' facings blurred showing them carrying medical supplies into the hospital. hours before, the pentagon saying u.s. intelligence believes hamas and islamic jihad operate from al-shifa. >> hamas operate a command and control node from al-shifa hospital in gaza city. they have weapons stored there and are prepared to respond to an israeli military operation against the facility. >> reporter: hamas denies the claim, and outside al-shifa bodies have been piling up. this morning jordan says targeting a hospital is a war crime. the head of the u.n.'s humanitarian affairs says he's appalled, and the world health organization says it's deeply concerned. the u.n. says the hamas terror attacks on october 7th and holding of hostages is also a

war crime. and in washington tuesday, a massive and peaceful march showing solidarity for the he or she -- hostages and protesting anti-semitism. organizers saying hundreds of thousands attended. back in israel, hostage families marching to jerusalem this week. >> this is my mother, my sister, and her husband, and this is their son. he is is 8 years old. she's only 3 years old. >> seven members of his family are held, his dad murdered. >> this is the last picture of him i have. >> reporter: and the national security council releasing a statement to nbc news after the announcement of that isr oper and it says in part, we don't want to see a firefight in a hospital where innocent people, heles people, sick people, trying to get medical care they deserve are caught in

the crofire. meanwhile, gaza health ministry, which is run by hamas says for ten hours staff and patients and displaced people there were questioned, some have been taken away, keir simmons in tel aviv, thank you so much for that the rog. these pictures looking at gaza from the israel-gaza border. we're seeing a lot of smoke. it appears there are new explosions happening right now inside gaza. i want to bring in aaron cohen, israeli special operations veteran. aaron, as we see these pictures, as we hear the report from keir about this special operation happening at the al-shifa hospital, you have said near the start of the war when we spoke, israel has perfected the craft of counterterrorism. what kind of preparation goes into executing an operation like this? >> so this is a very creative endeavor, and like i said, and

as you just mentioned, israel's got a lot of experience with counterterrorism. what you're seeing right now with this particular operation -- i want to unpack it a little more in detail -- there's a lot of planning that went into the al-shifa operation, and there's multiple layers. the first one is getting the idf is very concerned with the civilians inside that hospital and from what i understand, what i believe is they're only dealing with a section or dealt with a section of that hospital wherever the doctors were and those infants and preemies were being held, the idf was quick to deliver hundreds of pounds worth of baby food as well as several dozen incubators. they understood the needs of the hospital regardless of what's being put out to the world and got several dozen incubators to those preemies. another piece to the operation, second piece, is the actual physical maing entry of

israel's commando forces to be able to get to all of the hamas terrorists or militants that are using that hospital, which was declassiied yesterday by the u.s. department of defense after corroborating united states gathered intelligence, releasing it publicly, understanding that it is an actual command and control structure, so the idf is deployed potentially four units. the first one is going to be the s 13 unit, which is equivalent to israel's seals. the second one is their explosives ordinance disposal unit. the third would be their dog un angels of those tunnels. it's helped them map out the entire tunnel structure. they've got gps, cameras. they can race through those tunnels safely, and the point is to get to those hostages if they are, in fact, being held underneath, and if not, to eliminate those terrorists. there could be several dozen.

there could be 100 underneath that bunker or dug in underneath that hospital. it's been segregated, it's been separated. it's been a rescue and supply effort in conjunction with an assault. i can assure you the tactics they're using is called limited penetration. these units are trained to move slow and deliberate. what that does is reduces risk to innocence within the hospital. also reduces risk to the idf. these are very specific tactics that are being done. they can switch on a dime and go into hostage rescue mode. to be able to go very quickly, if hostages present itself. >> i think we would assume that's part of this mission that they're looking for potential hostages being held in and around the vicinity of this hospital. our understanding is that al-shifa has been devastated for weeks now by all the intense fighting around it, and now even inside that hospital. so, one, how many people do you think are part of this operation? how long do you think those israeli forces will stay, and

should they in your mind maintain control until this hospital is functional again? >> those are all good questions. i want to start with the first part. i think devastation isn't the correct term here. the skirmishes that have happened have mainly happened outside of the structure of the al-shifa hospital. the that's in order to be able to sterilize and be able to neutralize hamas militants who created a perimeter around that structure. israel needed to neutralize those terrorists. very selected gunfights. use of snipers, to be able to drop those pockets of terrorists physically surrounding that hospital to sterilize it, specifically one corner. that's the most important piece to israel. a lot of footage that israel's releasing. israel is getting better of showing the world all the war crimes being committed. regarding the actual operations within the hospital, again, it's very selective. those units are trained to move

very slow and deliberately in order to be able to reduce having any muzzles cross, any patients, any civilians, any doctors. i can tell you there's an open dialogue happening with israel's intelligence services, in perfect arabic with the hospital staff who's asking the idf for help a. lot of misinformation getting spread out there. those units that are going in as far as numbers, you know, there could be several hundred commandos involved with this operation. the dog unit, the eod explosives unit, there could be wires. there could be bombs inside there. booby traps. we've seen weapons that have been recovered in the last couple of days, several of them, not just al-shifa. rpgs, antitank mortars. real military grade staging. there could be several hundreds commandos involved here along with intelligence assets. as far as how long this will take, israel's got a lot of experience. israel has taken -- has

conducted operations within hospitals before dating all the way back to 2015 because those hospitals are -- these types of ops. so as far as the length, i don't think it's going to take long to clear the hospital, to get through it -- >> are we talking hours or days or weeks? >> say again? >> hours, days, or weeks? >> i think the actual operation shouldn't take more than a day or two to get this entire structure cleared. the key here, what israel is interested in, it's not sitting on that hospital. it's getting realtime actionable intel, ana, so they can move on. getting realtime information. hamas has been documenting and has a ton of intel that they're kind of leaving out. all their operational plans, back to the idea of high command so they can move on to the next structure, continue to flush -- the hostages are the main concern right now. >> sure. >> in conjunction with -- >> aaron cohen, so insightful,

thank you very much for that really treasure-trove of information in helping us understand what's happening. back here in the u.s. now, president biden is preparing far high stakes summit just hours from now with chinese president xi jinping in san francisco. california governor gavin newsom greeted both leaders when they arrived in california ahead of this meeting. they're set to meet on the sidelines of the apex summit at a still secret location in what president biden has described as an effort to smooth the heated tensions between these countries. >> how would you define success with your meeting with president xi? >> get back on a normal course of corresponding, being able to pick up a phone and talk to one another if there's a crisis. being able to make sure our militaries still have contact with one another. we can't take -- as i told you, we're not trying to decouple from china. what we're trying to do is change the relationship for the better. >> nbc's monica alba is

traveling with the president in san francisco, also with us former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs in the obama administration, richard stengel. so monica, president biden opting for this direct diplomacy to try to navigate the many potential flash points that exist between beijing and washington. we just heard the president say he's trying to change the relationship for the better. what else does he hope to accomplish in this meeting? >> reporter: well, ana, the president often says there is no substitute for face to face dialogue with a world leader. this is one he does know pretty well. they have met a handful of times, but they haven't even spoken in the last year since their conversation along the sidelines of the g20 summit in indonesia. and of course everything that's happened since then has been such a high stakes moment, when you think about the u.s. shooting down that chinese spy balloon, when at the time that that occurred, there was no conversation or communication between the u.s. and chinese

militaries. there wasn't an ability to pick up the phone and really talk that out. that is one of the main goals of this discussion today, which is to try to restore those kinds of communications. that's a potential outcome here that both sides are looking for. and then of course there's also a larger conversation that both sides are invested in, when it comes to the issue and the scourge of fentanyl. the u.s. is hoping to get some kind of commitment from china to help address that. another topic that we've been talking about for weeks is artificial intelligence and how that technology could be a danger when it comes to some nuclear weapons. they're hoping to put up some guardrails on that issue as well when they meet in a couple of hours, ana. richard, the u.s. and china find themselves at opposite ends to trade, war in the middle east to taiwan. what do you think goal number one should be for president biden in this meeting? >> well, ana, it doesn't sound

terribly exciting, but the goal has been achieved. the fact that they're actually meeting. that is a huge achievement based on what's happened over the last year, year and a half. i mean, we were trending toward a kind of a cold war relationship with china, and china has started to warm a little bit. jake sullivan the national security adviser said basically we want to manage our competition so that it doesn't end up in conflict. >> so what does china to want get out of this, and can you speak to the significance of the timing? >> china is interested in the domestic audience, which they're not seeing. the economy has been struggling. there's 20% youth unemployment. xi policies have been unpopular, they think. they want to show him as a kind of emperor on the world stage to show cooperation with the united states. that's what they want to do for their domestic audience. i mean, and the reason they're doing it is because their interest is in having a better

relationship with the united states. >> the president is i guess betting on his personal relationship with xi. he's previously claimed that he's spent 85 hours alone with xi and they've traveled some 17,000 miles together. by our account they've met about a dozen times in the last decade or so. do we know anything, richard, about the state of their relationship today? >> well, i don't want to discount that and president biden is formidable in personal relationships. but chinese diplomatic meetings, it's completely 100% scripted. there's no spontaneity at all, and i don't expect xi to do something that they haven't been planning and thinking about for weeks and months. >> quickly, if you will, monica, there was reportedly concern from beijing over how chinese president xi would be treated during this brief visit. and richard mentioned how optics are really important to the chinese. what are we learning about the pomp and circumstance?

>> reporter: there have really been pain staking negotiations to get to this point, ana. everything from the camera angles to the flowers that will be in the room, the seating arrangements. the chinese officials have made a number of requests, some of which have been accommodated by the americans heading into this summit. and also, there's a will headli u.s. ceos and top business leaders where he will continue to make that pitch as the chinese economy struggles to recover post-pandemic. but no detail was too small when the two sides were trying to get to this point. and i think we will see that kind of intense diplomacy and optics and theatrics on display here in just a little bit. >> it's all very important for the u.s. and china. fascinating to learn those details. thank you both very much. when we're back in just 60 seconds, news from a hearing on worldwide threats happening right now, the warnings from the fbi director and dhs secretary.

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to a whole other level. his words. since the october 7th hamas attack on israel, he said the fbi has seen what he called a rogue's gallery of foreign terrorists organizations calling for attacks against americans and our allies, including al qaeda, hezbollah and isis, and they're flooding social media with violent propaganda. here's more from chris wray. >> our most immediate concern is that individuals or small groups will draw twisted inspiration from the events in the middle east to carry out attacks here at home. that includes home-grown violent extremists inspired by a foreign terrorist organization and domestic violent extremists targeting jewish americans or other faith communities like muslim americans. >> so if you listen carefully there -- and it's important to point this out -- the fbi is saying it's not aware of a credible threat of attack from a terrorist group, but instead it's saying the heightened tensions and rhetoric online make it more likely that a lone

extremist will resort to violence. >> jameel, your reaction to what we just heard, your thought offense what we heard from wray and the overall threat environment we're facing right now and what proactively can be done. >> ana, look, the world's on fire. we've got a war in the middle east. we've got a war in the middle of europe. reach got the chinese getting more and more aggressive against taiwan. there are threats all around. there's no doubt some of that can spill over into the united states as people get agitated, frustrated, get upset, see what's happening and want to act out here, that's the real threat. and there might be inspiration as fbi director wray just pointed out, of violent extremists here in the united states. >> so proactively can officials do anything? what do you think is happening behind the scenes? >> one of the biggest challenges we face is one of our key intelligence collection authorities section 702 of the foreign intelligence act is about to expire on december 31st. the president loses about half the data going into his presidential daily brief. congress has got to take action

to reauthorize that as well. >> let me ask you about what we heard from hamas specifically today releasing a statement when this al-shifa operation got underway, and they in part blamed the u.s. directly. this was partly put on the telegram channel. the onus lies squarely on the shoulders of the israeli occupation entity, its neo-nazi ersh and president biden and his administration for the repercussions resulting from the occupation army's aggressive incursion into al-shifa medical complex in the gaza. so hamas is trying to widen the scope of this conflict calling out president biden directly. what do you see as the impact of this? >> i mean, look, everyone knows what hamas says. it's a terrorist organization, has been since 1997. they conduct a massive terrorist attack. the equivalent of a dozen 9/11 attacks in a single day, and now it's proved. they are hiding their operations inside of hospitals, they're the ones killing palestinians in

gaza because they're hiding in hospitals, hiding inside of schools. hiding under those buildings, keeping the hostages in those places. we now know hamas for what it is. some people weren't sure about it, now we know for sure. there's no doubt they're trying to draw the u.s. into the conflict, like they're trying to draw israel further and further into gaza so they can blame the israelis, blame the united states. we know who's responsible for what's happening right now, it is hamas. >> keep us posted. up next on "ana cabrera reports," the emergency hearing in georgia today as the d.a. seeks a protective order following the bombshell leak of confidential video in the fulton county election case. plus, why tensions seem to be boiling over on capitol hill. >> stand your butt up then. >> you stand your butt up. >> stop it. >> you look like a smurf.

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welcome back. let's turn to this emergency hearing. this afternoon in the georgia election interference case. the judge is set to hear arguments on fulton county district attorney fani willis's request for a protective order for evidence, after videos were leaked. these videos showing interviews with the four co-defendants who pleaded guilty in this case. let's bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard and former assistant manhattan district attorney catherine christian to break this down. willis is arguing this leak was clearly intended to intimidate witnesses. what more is she saying? >> we're just now three hours away from this hearing, and which district attorney is going to present her case for the emergency motion to have all future evidence that is presented to these defendants kept from being publicly shared here. there is clear frustration from the district attorney. she was actually at a separate event in washington, d.c., yesterday afternoon and

addressed it. take a listen. >> surprising, no, disappointing, yes. in fact, today from here i made sure i wasn't late for this event, but i was with my team making sure that an emergency most got filed. absolutely not my office. open records request we got for that, and you know -- >> from us. >> yes, from you and every other outlet. no, we're not going to release information. >> we were one of those news organizations that also sent the public records request to the district attorney's office and did not get those tapes. but for the district attorney, it's clear frustration. this is a perilous trial in front of her 19 co-defendants, four of which have pled guilty so far. of course, their proffered videos now shared with the broader world at a time with such national attention on this trial down in georgia. >> so fani willis is clearly not happy about this. can she put the jeannie back in the bottle? >> it's kind of too late.

the videos are out there, they're on youtube, probably not the entire video but maybe they are. i'm surprised this protective order didn't happen before. that's typically what happens. this is a protective order, you cannot disseminate it beyond the trial team, and if you do, there will be penalties. so they said that they asked for it and the judge hasn't signed off on it yet. so i don't know why they didn't wait until the judge signed off before it was provided to the defense attorneys. >> is this -- is this case at risk for the d.a. because of these leaked videos? >> no, no, i mean, i quite frankly, i think if it hurts anyone, it's actually the other defendants. it's sort of they are now aware of what their former co-defendants probably will testify to. >> and so now we also have a start date, apparently, or at least more of a time line in a

potential trial in this case, fani willis spoke about that yesterday as well. let's listen. >> i believe in that case there will be a trial. i believe the trial will take many months, and i don't expect that we will conclude until the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> again, a start date for this trial hasn't been set yet, but 2025, catherine? >> well, she said concluding. notshocking. this is a multidefendant complex case. the only defs who requested a speedy t hav pled guilty. there's going t a lot of motions from each defendant. if it actually goes to trial, it will probably be single digits in terms of defendants. that's not shocking in a case like this. >> in the meantime, vaughn, slrp new developments in the effort to try to keep trump off the ballot in certain states. what happened in michigan? >> michigan yesterday, a trial court, a judge ruled that donald trump at least for now is going to say on the primary ballot in

michigan. this was a similar ruling that we saw take place in minnesota last week, in new hampshire earlier this month. i just talked to one of the lawyers for those petitioners in michigan who said they are filing their appeal here this afternoon. they hope that it goes to the michigan supreme court right away. of course this is section 3 of the 14th amendment, the insurrection clause, which would prevent anybody from getting onto the ballot if they had engaged in insurrection or rebellion or provided aid and embedded anybody who had gone through insurrection or rebellion. there is one other major case in colorado. closing arguments are taking place there just this afternoon. >> and just in, catherine, we are getting new reporting that hunter biden has asked a judge to subpoena donald trump along with bill barr and other former justice department officials. his lawyer saying they want to show improper pressure in the trump administration led to this investigation of hunter biden in the first place. what do you expect to come from this request?

>> well, it's a good request because if he's saying he's being selectively prosecuted and that's why this whole investigation started, those are the people that you would be subpoenaing. i doubt that the judge will allow trump because, you know, the decision-makers were actually in doj, and that would be bill barr and mr. donohue, but it's relevant to their defense that he's only being prosecuted because he's hunter biden, the son of joe biden. >> i guess the ball is now in the judge's court literally. thank you, both, very much. vaughn hillyard, catherine christian. good to see you guys. next on "ana cabrera reports," a near brawl at a senate hearing and calling a fellow lawmaker a smurf. why tensions are so high right now on capitol hill. plus, the house just passed speaker johnson's bill to avert a government shutdown, but can it pass the senate? s the senate [deep exhale] [trumpet music plays] 579 breaths to show 'em your stuff.

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a long time. >> so that was former acting house speaker patrick mchenry reacting to what could have been a good day for the house. they passed a bill to avoid a government shutdown with three days to spare, instead of take ago victory lap on that news, the hill instead was dominated by chaos with everything from name calling to reported elbow jabs in the hallways. even threats of physical violence from a senator in the middle of a hearing. nbc's garrett haake joins us from the hill. garrett, a big legislative win

for the new house speaker, but that's not what's dominating the conversation on capitol hill. what the heck is happening there? >> caller: yeah, ana, really another example of a congress that can't seem to get out of its own way. look, these lawmakers have been in town, in washington for ten weeks straight. that's an unusually lengthy session for them of long days, long nights, lots of time around each other, and you see it leading to these tensions boiling over, even on a day when they have a significant bipartisan achievement. >> the bill is passed. >> reporter: this morning congress is one step closer to avoiding a government shutdown with the house passing a short-term funding bill with bipartisan support and days to spare before the deadline. the bill, which now heads to the senate, would keep the government funded through early next year. it also frees up lawmakers to leave town for thanksgiving later this week, a badly needed break as tensions among lawmakers reached a boiling

point on tuesday. tennessee republican tim burchett who voted to oust kevin mccarthy last month claiming the former speaker shoved him in a basement hallway while he was being interviewed. >> kevin mccarthy elbowed me in the kidneys as he walked by. it was on purpose. >> reporter: mccarthy calling any physical contact between the two men purely accidental. >> if i kidney punched him, he'd be on the ground, come on. >> reporter: hearings growing heated too, including a showdown in the senate when previous social media taunting between teamsters presidents shawn o'brien and oklahoma senator and former mma fighter mark wayne mull enturned a hearing into a cage match. >> if you want to run your mouth, we can finish it here. >> okay, that's fine. perfect. >> you want to do it now? >> i'd love to do it right now. >> stand your butt up then. >> stand your butt up.

>> stop it. >> no, no, sit down. >> you're a united states senator, act it. sit down, please. >> unlikely referee 82-year-old bernie sanders intervening. senator mullen unapologetic afterwards. >> you don't do that, you don't run your mouth unless you're going to answer the call. >> reporter: with the government funding bill through one chamber and on a glide path in the other, lawmakers are eyeing a long thanksgiving break, being away from one another, something they will likely all be thankful for. >> there are dumb days on capitol hill, and there are dumber days on capitol hill, and this is one of the dumbest i've seen in quite a long time. >> reporter: mchenry bite so good, we had to use it twice . there was another incident in a hearing room with james comer calling a democratic congressman a smurf. that kind of name calling has unfortunately become less unusual on the hill. that spending bill, which is a big deal, it got the shutdown countdown clock off the screens, it could get a vote in the

senate today or tomorrow. there is some progress towards actual legislating here even as everything else descends into the stupid, ana. >> what a mess, garrett haake, thank you. we're joined by former florida republican congressman carlos curbelo and former alabama democratic senator doug jones. gentlemen, elbowing in the hallway? challenging a witness to an mma fight. congressman curbelo, have you ever seen anything like this in congress? >> well, ana, to be fair ten weeks together is a long time for members of congress, especially when for a period of that time the house was speakerless and in chaos. this is new, though, ana. dy not see this when i was there. there's always tension and there were always people who didn't like each other and avoided each other or maybe sometimes said nasty things to one another, but this level of chaos, this level of acrimony so publicly

displayed is just kind of a new low for these times and i know it was a lot worse way back when when people had to be separated on the house floor, but this is definitely unique and it's troubling. >> and how does anybody think this is okay, that this is normal for sitting members of congress to behave this way, senator, even before this congressional approval was hovering just above an all-time low around 13%. this kind of behavior can't help. >> no, it can't help. let's be clear, ana, this is not congress as a whole. this is not lawmakers in a general sense. these are republican lawmakers. this is a republican u.s. senator, republican members of congress. it was republican members of congress who took a swing at another republican member of congress during the speaker vote last january. it is republicans who are putting offensive pictures up at

committee hearings. this is not congress. this is the republican caucus, and it is rather sad that this is where the republican party seems to be going among their leaders. when you have senator sanders who has to intervene to try to slow down a fight, that says something. and so -- and you can trace that directly back to the rhetoric of donald trump. people in that party now think it's okay to demean others even within their own party, and it's a really sad state of affairs. >> congressman curbelo, your take? is this problem unique to your party? >> i think the senator's correct that yesterday the protagonists were republicans, but i think there are many examples in recent years that we can point to both parties using language, adopting postures that can just really lower the level of discourse on the hill, and i will say this, you know this is inside baseball in many cases, but swing voters, particularly

the suburban voters that both parties have been competing over in recent years, they do pay attention to this, and they don't like this kind of vitriol. they don't like this kind of behavior. so even though it does seem like inside baseball, this could have some political consequences. >> yeah, i mean, that kind of behavior would not be acceptable at any workplace, right? and so the fact that these guys think it's okay to show macho, you know, my toughness, i'm going to like score points, it just seems so backwards to me. senator, after all of this, the house speaker still pushed through his spending bill against significant republican opposition, in fact 93 republicans voted against it with almost all democrats voting for it, and now after all the infighting. what do you think democrats are thinking right now in congress? >> i think that they were pleasantly surprised at what speaker johnson put forth. when you've seen all of the media that has come out about

speaker johnson since his election, i think democrats were bracing for the absolute worst. but what he showed is that he wants to govern. he wants to do something to keep this government operating, and who would have ever thought he would have put forth initially a program that would get more democratic votes than republican votes. so i think we're in pretty good shape, although we're just kicking this can down the road, ana. this is not something that the government ought to be doing every year time and time again. it's just kicking the can down the road. we will face this issue again in january, and now possibly in february as well. so we need -- we really need to get these parties together to try to do something about funding the government on an annual basis. >> coming back to what went down with mccarthy specifically, congressman curbelo. we know congressman burchett, who accused mccarthy of elbowing him in the halls voted to oust mccarthy last month and matt gaetz was the one that moved to

end mccarthy's speakership. he has since filed an ethics complaint against mccarthy over this elbowing incident. so we've heard, you know, this is from the ten straight weeks of tense work. but again, that just sounds like a silly excuse. are these conflicts all personal? >> ana, this is all personal. when you think about the fact that speaker johnson did yesterday exactly what speaker mccarthy did just a few weeks before, which is to rely on a bipartisan coalition with more democrats than republicans to keep the government open. i mean this is all personal. look, i'm a little skeptical about congressman burchett's claim. speaker mccarthy is not of that temperament. he's someone who, you know, people have differences with but gets along with most members. it's pretty clear that the eight that voted to oust kevin mccarthy had a personal problem with him, and it's also clear that they intend to continue

doing everything they can to make mccarthy's life a living hell as long as he remains in the house. >> former congressman carlos curbelo and former senator doug jones, thanks so much for the conversation. quick programming note, republican presidential candidate chris christie will join andrea mitchell at noon here on msnbc. so make sure to tune in for that. a former campaign staffer to congressman george santos has now pleaded guilty to a charge of federal wire fraud. aide samuel neely admitted to a fund-raising scheme in which he impersonated a house staffer for the benefit of himself and the embattled freshman lawmaker. he also admitted to charging donor credit cards without permission and pocketing part of that money. neely is the second santos aide now to plead guilty to federal charges. he'll pay over $100,000 in restitution and faces 20 years behind bars. up next on "ana cabrera reports," closing arguments set today in the trial for the man charged with attacking paul pelosi in the middle of the

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welcome back. closing arguments begin next hour in the trial of the man accused of attacking nancy pelosi's husband paul with a hammer in the couple's san francisco home. and in a surprise move, david depape took the stand in his own defense yesterday. he cried and he testified that he was fueled by conspiracy theories and right wing media.

and described in detail his plan to take down a series of high profile figures, which included wearing an inflatable unicorn costume and uploading an interrogation of nancy pelosi online. nbc's steve patterson is following the case in san francisco. steve, depape is charged with assault on a family member, of a federal official, to retaliate against the official performance of their duties. what is the sense of how depape's surprise testimony impacted this case? >> reporter: so, i think in many ways. in the soul of the closing arguments we hear today has to be about sort of what you just said, the spirit of these charges, because from minute one, literally minute one of this case, the defense has never argued the criminal mechanics of what happened inside the pelosi home. they have never said that david depape didn't do what he did. david depape goes on the stand and himself under oath says he struck paul pelosi with that

hammer. what the defense is arguing is that this is a man so warped and so twisted by online disinformation and these crazy conspiracy theories that he was so diluted into thinking there was some large conspiracy that it was only on him to take down and in doing so went inside the house do what he did that the spirit of the charges doesn't line up. and i think with having depape on the stand, in that surprise testimony, after, you know, sort of days and days of the defense team telling the jury that this is the man you're dealing with, to finally hear it from him, to hear how realistically he believes these theories are, so deeply that he's at several points moved to tears during his testimony because he so strongly believes i think helped the defense paint the portrait of a man they're trying to do. in closing arguments, i think we're going to hear a lot more of that. and the prosecution trying to poke holes in that to say, maybe

depape wasn't in the home to stop nancy pelosi from, you know, starting a floor vote or giving a speech in the hall of congress, but the only reason why he was in the home in the first place was because she is speaker of the house of representatives and because she is one of the key members in the democratic party. that is the battle, that is what we heard back and forth and that's what we expect to hear today. >> so closing arguments today and then the jury will get the case shortly after that. steve patterson, thank you. we'll be watching closely for a verdict in this case. that's going to do it for us today. thank you so much for joining us. see you back here tomorrow, same time, same place. until then, i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now. we're still going for that sweet shot. and with higher stroke risk from afib not caused by a heart valve problem, we're going for a better treatment than warfarin. eliquis.

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