what does success even mean in this campaign? and i've heard that again and again. what is a victory? how would we define it to the extent there is a plan for after hamas, it's not a plan that anyone agrees on. there seems to be real tensions merging between the biden administration and the israeli government on what that would be. i think five weeks into this horror, it doesn't look any clearer what some kind of meaningful resolution would be and tragedy obviously on the ground. >> we're going to have to leave it there, thanks to all of you. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow us on social media @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good afternoon, i'm chris jansing live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. the israeli military is combing over every inch of al-shifa

hospital in gaza right now, day three of searching for hamas and evidence of what the idf says is its secret headquarters. the new video from the hospitals that they just released, and the new message from a doctor trapped inside that hospital right now. plus, a win for former president trump's legal team, at least for now. why a judge just said the gag order in his civil fraud trial goes too far and what trump posted online in just a matter of hours. also, the ethics committee chairman just dropping that resolution to expel congressman george santos. after all those new and shocking details in the committee's report, will his republican colleagues let santos finish his term? so a lot to get to on this friday, but let's begin at the main hospital in gaza where for the first time israeli soldiers are releasing footage of what they claim is a hamas tunnel shaft inside the al-shifa medical complex. nbc news has not been able to independently verify the claims by the idf, and so far, the

military has not provided definitive evidence that hamas command centers exist beneath the hospital. it is a claim that israeli and american officials have made repeatedly as justification for the raids, which, again, are now in day three. the idf says in their search, soldiers have recovered the bodies of two hostages in at least one building near the complex, a 65-year-old woman. the other of a 19-year-old idf soldier. and prime minister benjamin netanyahu says there are strong indications hamas used the hospital at some point to hold hostages, but acknowleding if they were there, they were taken out. as desperation mounts for the loved ones of those still missing, a promise from secretary of state antony blinken. >> we're working this intensively, and we have been for weeks. i remain hopeful, but the less said the better. >> also developing, israel is now warning civilians in several towns in southern gaza to flee

raising fears that its war against hamas could spread to areas it previously said were safe. one man is telling reuters they say the south is safe. what safety? this is the picture in front of you. what safety in the south? nbc's erin mclaughlin is in tel aviv for us, nbc's gabe gutierrez in the white house, and steph twitty, msnbc military analyst. erin, what's the latest from there? >> reporter: chris, today we managed to reach the director of the burns unit inside the al-shifa hospital complex given the near total communications blackout covering the gaza strip now due to the fuel shortage, we were able to reach him very briefly. it was a short conversation before the line got cut off, and he confirmed that the israeli military continues to search the al-shifa complex.

he said that today they seemed to be focused on the basement of the surgical unit. he confirmed the israeli military assertion that during this raid not a single shot has been fired, and he said that the israeli military provided the doctors hundreds of patients, as well as the people sheltering insides hospital with food and water last night. still, he painted this desperate humanitarian situation. he says that he still is trapped inside of the surgical building. he said that israeli snipers continue to surround the hospital, not letting anyone out. he says they're low on fuel. they have new oxygen, no electricity, and he said that as a result, patients are dying. he said in the last week or so, 43 of the 63 patients in the icu died, he said due to lack of medical supplies as well as a lack of oxygen. take a listen. >> they are just dying sort of in front of us.

no one has done anything, no one has heard anything. no o has arranged anyone in any way to evacuation. this situation is really horrible now. the whole world is watching. >> reporter: and you can hear him there pleading with the international community to facilitate the evacuation of the hospital. he's pointing to the fact that the israeli military has allowed some journalists to visit the complex. he said if that's the case, why are they not allowing people out. i was talking to a spokesperson for the world health organization, and they said that they are working on roadblocks n terms of facilitating a potential evacuation. they said they need to be able to open up a safe corridor for the evacuation of some critically ill patients, but they also said that they need fuel for the palestinian red crescent ambulances that are required to facilitate that evacuation. chris. >> erin, thank you. >> gabe, it has been days now since reports of a potential

deal to release the hostages, where does that stand? >> hey there, chris, what we just heard a short time ago from the spokesperson, at this point there is no deal, and as we've been hearing now for quite some time, any deal to release hostages would need to have a massive amount of hostages in order for there to be any sort of cease fire. now, the operative word in the biden administration has been hopeful. we heard that from president biden earlier this week during his news conference in california where he said he was mildly hopeful that the administration -- that the israelis and hamas and qatar would come to some sort of deal. i also just heard from a senior administration official speaking about how the amount of hostages being discussed, it was a pool between 50 and 100 hostages. that's the pool of hostages that is being discussed as any sort of potential deal. but again, no news and no movement on any such deal so far. i will tell you, chris, i just heard on the record from the

national security council the other issue being discussed right now is the issue of fuel, which was mentioned earlier. in a statement from the national security council spokesperson just now saying we are glad israel agreed to fuel deliveries to gaza at our strong request, and we expect these deliveries will continue on a regular basis and in larger quantities. so there you have it, the biden administration trying to ensure that fuel does get into gaza in larger quantities that they've seen so far, and the biden administration, the president himself saying that earlier that the hospital must be protected. certainly a lot of moving parts right now as the negotiations continue intensively for those hostages to be released, chris. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you. >> so general, you've got israel doing these two very serious things on two separate tracks, going through al-shifa hospital, pain staking attention to detail, and prime minister netanyahu saying they're closer

to a deal to release the hostages than they were before they intensified the military campaign. so do you think the military strategy is working? and even if it is, as a humanitarian crisis gets worse and worse, does the clock still tick down for israel, which is already under attack as a result from the international community? >> yeah, chris, good to be with you again. yes, i do think the military strategy is working. the israelis are able to go in a methodical way to clear the strip. what i don't think is working very well is the information campaign, number one, and number two the protection of the civilians, the non-combatants that they're there in the strip. and so anytime you're dealing with urban warfare, you have two things that are always working against you that you have to really focus on, and that is that information campaign. we know that the israelis went

into the hospital, but what are they doing to really show in detail that going into the hospital is just a foul and to continue to show that, hey, we did not do any war crimes here and be able to show not just the people of israel but the international community. and then on the humanitarian front, obviously there's a lot of suffering going on and i think the israelis can help more there. >> i want to look again at that video that appears to show -- fierce be a tunnel under al-shifa hospital, but they still have not shown any direct evidence of a hamas command and control center, and the president of the united states has said what israel has said. they believe it was there. they have intelligence to show it was there. do you think there would have to be unequivocal evidence of a hamas headquarters underneath al-shifa for those statements to be made, particularly like president biden, and if it does

exist, why aren't we seeing it? >> well, the reason why you're not seeing it is when you find a tunnel such as this one, it takes a while to clear that tunnel. remember, extensive tunnels throughout the gaza strip, and you have to get robotics in to ensure that it's not booby trapped or ieds in there, and so you just can't put soldiers down there, you put them in harm's way. the other thing that you can do is bring in bulldozers and start digging, but you got to be careful there because the bulldozer may hit explosives there, and so i do think over time, the israelis will find some type of command and control center. i also will tell you they already have enough information with the ak-47s, the rpgs, the rocket-propelled grenade launchers and the hand grenades. that's enough evidence right there when you look at

international law to justify going into the hospital. >> i also want to ask you about what we showed the idf leaflets that were dropped urging some residents in southern gaza to evacuate. the south for weeks has been where israeli military has encouraged civilians to flee to, so now what? >> yeah, so this is a case based on intelligence, is what i've been able to gather. the israelis believe that hamas integrated into the population and started migrating to the south as well. this is what a typical insurgency will do, blend into the population, and now the israelis know they have to go after, if they intend to destroy hamas, the cells that have migrated down south. that's what i think this is all about. >> lieutenant general steph twitty, it's always an honor to have you on the program, thank you so much.

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they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. a win for donald trump as multiple courts grapple with the key question of where the line is on what a presidential candidate can say, both about the legal cases against him and the people involved in them. this latest move is from a new york appeals court, temporarily blocking the gag order on trump and his $250 million civil fraud trial, citing constitutional free speech.ut restricting his now, almost immediately, trump took advantage of the ruling posting an attack on truth social, judge engoron's aide calling her a political biassed and out of control trump hating clerk. the posts continued to come in rapid fire throughout the night and into today taking aim at the

judge, attorney general letitia james and others. a gag order is also in question in trump's federal election interference case. that's the one in washington. prosecutors say trump's attacks on special counsel jack smith's family underscore why restrictions are necessary. that question will now go before an appeals court on monday. joining me to talk about all of it is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and university of michigan law professor. lisa rubin has been reporting on the civil fraud trial day in and day out, both are msnbc legal analysts. we have to go now, though, to the apec summit, that is where the president of the united states is with mexico's president. they have just sat down. let's listen. >> mexico and the united states stand together and work together as we've been doing. we see it in our security cooperation, we're working side by side to combat arms trafficking, to combat -- tackle organized crime, and to address the opioid epidemic and including fentanyl, which when we talked privately i want to

tell you about my great conversation with xi jinping on that issue. and our economic cooperation, we're growing our economies from the bottom up and the middle out, so not just the wealthy benefit, but all our citizens benefit from our economic growth, and we see it in our work in strengthening supply chains including through america's partnership for economic prosperity and we've been cooperating there as well. we've seen our cooperation address historic levels of migration, and i want to thank you, mr. president, and your team. i really mean it, for the cooperation, your leadership taking on this challenge. i know it's not easy. together we're taking a balanced approach that lies at the heart of the los angeles declaration on migration and protection, and we and 19 other nations have signed onto that agreement. that includes enforcing our borders, increasing reparations and opening an historic number

of legal pathways for migrants. i want to thank you again, all of the things that are of consequence to us, i couldn't have a better partner than you. thank you. >> translator: we are highly satisfied of joining you here in san francisco and have the opportunity to meet president biden and you. the relation between our countries is excellent. our people are friends. this is a respectful and cooperative relationship for development. in recent years, basically due to this great relationship we

have with our neighboring and brother country, we are commercial partners. we are the main trade partners in the world, which is outstanding. at the same time, there are around 40 million mexicans working and living with decency in the united states, which strengthens our bonds and, of course, progress needs to be made, further progress needs to be made to address the migratory phenomenon. we're working on that jointly in coordination, and we wish to

thank president biden because he is the first president in recent times in opening legal pathways for migration. in the past, there were no possibilities for people who needed to come to the united states. there were no legal possibilities open, and it is president biden who opened up this possibility upon a request placed by central america and the caribbean countries. they file the petition and after an assessment is made they are allowed to enter the united states, which means that they no longer have to cross our country with all the suffering and risks

such an endeavor poses. it's a humane way to address the migratory phenomenon. and i would also like to express and to state that he is the first president in the united states in recent times who has not -- it is true, and we need to continue to support one another so migration is an option and not enforced. we wish to assist the people in their countries of origin when they are forced to migrate, we are fully satisfied in holding this meeting, and as regards to drug control, mexico's undertaking is to continue to

support so we do not allow the introduction of chemical components and chemical precursors to fentanyl because we're fully aware of the damage it poses to the united states youth. this is a matter of humanism, it's an act of solidarity. we are sincerely committed to continue to assist at our fullest capacity to prevent drug trafficking, namely the entrance of fentanyl and other chemical precursors. i'm pretty certain that we will continue to evolve our good relationship, and i would like to also take this opportunity to

greet our paisanos, the mexican migrants who are living, making a life and working in the united states. around 40 million people have made the united states their second home, their second country, and i would also like to inform those who may not be aware of this, that in recent years, there are many american citizens who are moving to mexico to stay there, to live in mexico. so welcome, because we are brotherly countries. thank you, this is what i wanted to say was that we have a great relationship and you have an extraordinary president in the united states, a man with convictions, a good man.

>> so the reporters at the apec summit are giving it the good try, but it doesn't look as though either president, president biden or president lopez obrador of mexico are going to take the bait as people walk in front of the camera, the pool camera there. let me bring in nbc's monica alba, white house correspondent. look, i mean, it wasn't even clear that the president of mexico was going to show up. he didn't last year. there was some question whether he might this year. they weren't happy about -- mexico wasn't happy about the fact that cuba wasn't invited among other countries, but you just heard him, he called president biden a good man and seemed to take a shot at president trump over the wall. what's your takeaway from what you just heard from the two men,

monica? >> reporter: exactly, chris. you wouldn't know about some of those previous tensions based solely on that interaction there, which was, by all accounts a more friendly, warm embrace between the two leaders, president biden himself saying he couldn't think of a better partner for this relationship, and it was very clear from president lopez obrador who at times has had a differing stance when it comes to things like counter narcotics and fentanyl, but said he is working closely to address this with the united states. we know, of course, that the mexican president also met with chinese president xi jinping as a part of this apec conference, and then of course that was the main topic of conversation, which president biden referred to there saying that he wanted to tell his mexican counterpart specifically about some of those steps they're taking to address that on the end of things this china, before in terms of the supply chain a lot of those

drugs get to mexico and are smuggled into the united states. i think it is also notable there that the mexican president did make those comments when it comes to migration, specifically about not building walls and also praising president biden, he said, for some of the steps that the united states has taken recently on trying to create more legal pathways to migration. that is something certainly that as the u.s. and the biden administration have had to navigate this political pressure point has been key because they really need mexico's cooperation in order to help with certain migrants who are turned away at the u.s./mexico boarder and then have to figure out where they are returning to or where they go from there. so that is another huge agenda item for these two men to discuss. it is likely one of their last meetings since there will be elections in mexico next year, though, they probably will meet again at some point. but among the last of the tenure, chris. >> monica alba, thank you so much for that update. now, let us go back to what

we were discussing before we saw the presidents, and that is the reporting about two big legal developments on gag orders connected to former president trump's legal cases. msnbc's legal analyst barbara mcquade and lisa rubin stuck around. they're still with me. so what happens next, lisa, in the civil fraud trial in new york and the gag order there? >> so the gag order there or the gag orders really, plural, one against trump, one against his legal team, and they're a little bit different in their scope. right now they're both on pause. on november 27th, that's when a three-judge panel at the appeals court level will hear arguments, the briefs are all due before then, and i want to point out something, chris, to our viewers that i think is particularly interesting. you know, we all learned about the special purpose grand jury in georgia, which is a feature specific to georgia law when we were going through the beginnings of ha indictment. the proceeding that trump has started here is similarly specific to new york. he has sued the judge himself under something called article 78. it's a way of fast tracking a

challenge to a government action, usually it's used in things like zoning disputes, but here he sued the judge himself, and the judge indeed has his own counsel. he's represented by a lawyer for the new york unified state court system. so on the 27th when that argument happens, not only will the attorney general and the trump defense team have their own say, but judge engoron will be represented by his own lawyer at that proceeding. >> barbara, you saw what donald trump wrote about the fraud trial judge's law clerk, can you lay out the concerns about that kind of language and why appellate justice david freeman believes, at least for now, that trump's rights supersede those kinds of concerns? >> yeah, i think in some ways the judge is wrong here and is being naive about the threats and the risk here. it reminds me of the court order back in 2017 when a judge refused to stop the unite the right rally, and i think failed to appreciate the real danger that was present.

courts have to balance competing values: the rights of free speech, which are public safety. neither one of those things is more important than the other. both of those things are equally important. so ordinarily when there's a restriction of free speech, it's not absolute. it has to be narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling governmental interest. so here it can be a little bit challenging because on the one hand, we have a candidate for president who has a right to speak out when he believes he's being unfairly targeted. on the other hand, we have also seen threats of death against judges and prosecutors and others involved in litigation against donald trump. we have seen people, you know, attack the husband of nancy pelosi with a hammer. we live in a dangerous time. i think courts have to appreciate the very serious threat that's there. however, how do you thread that needle? i think that's what will be before both of these appellate courts in deciding how narrow they need to be in gagging someone who's running for president. >> let's talk then, barbara,

about the gag order in the federal election interference case. and part of their argumento reinstate that gag der, prosecutors say trump is implicitly but unmistakably encouraging his supporters to act against the very people he targets. how strong do you think this argument will be when it comes to monday's hearing? because on the surface, they certainly seem -- these two cases seem very much alike. are they actually different? >> i think they're actually very much alike. what the court did in the federal case was to specify that donald trump not speak out against parties, that court staff and witnesses, but allows him to talk about the biden administration, talk about the doj, and to even talk about the judge herself. the place where there's this overlap is court staff. they have not seen the kinds of complaints donald trump had against court staff in the new york civil case, but that could be an area, i suppose, where a litigant could have a legitimate

beef and need some form where they can raise that. and so that might be one way just to tweak that order, but i think both of these gag orders are going to remain in place in some format, even if they get narrowed to some degree. i think these judges really have to appreciate the very real threat that exists. >> and lisa, because it's very hard to go three, four hours without something happening, we just got this in that the federal election case, judge tanya chutkan, has rejected donald trump's effort to get references to the violence at the capitol on january 6th removed from his d.c. indictment. what does this mean? >> it means the prosecutors are free to talk about the way that donald trump exploited the violence on that day and maybe laid the groundwork for it too. chris, you know as well as i do, that donald trump was never charged with insurrection or sedition, but the charges against him in the d.c. federal election interference case include obstruction of an official government proceeding and conspiracy to obstruct that government proceeding.

and jack smith and his team essentially say january 6th is key to those charges, even if donald trump himself is not responsible for the damage at the capitol directly or the loss of lives. >> big point for prosecutors. >> huge win for prosecutors. >> all right, lisa rubin, barbara mcquade, thank you so much. what's next for embattled republican congressman george santos, the latest on how many members of the house are ready to vote him out. plus, the maga effect, how donald trump's personal brand of politics is wreaking havoc on state republican parties. one of them desperately working just to keep the lights on. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. reports"c at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you'll have to pay a deductible

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president biden's signature on a stopgap funding bill has narrowly averted a government shutdown, but it only really kick c down the road, sp t deadlines for full-year appropriations bills into two, january 19th now theine for some federal agencies, february 2nd for others. that's not a lot of time to resolve the deep divisions within the republican caucus, and as if the budget fight wasn't enough, another fight may be shaping up. the chairman of the house ethics committee put the wheels in motion today to expel george santos from congress, after the committee's devastating report

calling his conduct beneath the dignity of the office. nbc's julie tsirkin is on capitol hill with more on all of this. let's start, julie, with what happens between now and january 19th. how are house republicans planning to resolve their differences over funding the government? >> reporter: that's the million dollar question, i'm not even sure house republicans have the answer to. hard-liners, part of the house freedom caucus told me earlier this week that speaker johnson told them that this would be the last short-term extension of government funding that he would allow to pass, and that means that when all thr oblems are kicked down the road and now they have these two g clips, one in january, one i u see on your screen, that that will make it that much harder for him to force a deal here. let's talk about the reason why this even happened in the first place, this two-step continuing resolution was in johnson's mind to force senate democrats to essentially act and pass individual spending bills rather than those giant spending

packages that we've often seen that come up right against the end of the year, the christmas holiday. he wants to avoid that and sort of force them to pass individual bills instead. on top of government funding, though, you also have the national security priorities that president biden has sent to congress. remember, aid to israel, aid to ukraine, humanitarian assistance to the region, indo-pacific, border security, these are all things that lawmakers want to have buttoned up by the end of the year, and it's certainly going to be extremely challenging for them to do that contending with all of these deadlines. >> and now that the resolution has been filed in the case of george santos, what's the time line for action? and what are the chances, what are you hearing on the hill that they can get to two-thirds, which is what it will require if they're going to expel him? >> reporter: here's the thing, because the house is out until after thanksgiving, this resolution was filed by the chairman of the house ethics committee. however, it was not introduced as what's called a privileged

resolution. meaning there's no mechanism right now requiring the house to take it up within two legislative days. it's our understanding that someone will set that wheel in motion once the house is back, the week of november 27th after the thanksgiving holiday, and certainly if you look at someone like speaker johnson whose office sent out a statement to us yesterday basically saying that he's now giving members permission to vote as they please, that includes potentially voting to kick santos out, he's sort of letting them do this, right? two weeks ago he said he wants santos to have due process. now with this damning ethics report really showing that santos had used hundreds of thousands of campaign funds for his personal expenses, you can see a lot of those wheels start to fall, and we already saw a lot of members, democrats and republicans, who previously voted against expelling him say this is just too damning and the evidence is too much for them to not vote to kick santos out. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. state republican parties are starting to feel the maga

effect. comprehensive new reporti in "the washington post" shows the drastic i since election denial and grass roots fervor took over. the report looks at key battleground states, arizona, a,nd michigan described as plagued by infighting, struggling to raise y, a sometimes cover legal costs fm trump's efforts to overturn his 2020 defeat, threatening to hamper gop organizing capabilities in next year presidential election. these are states that were critical i determining the 2020 election with just over 10,000 eciding thelosest of those contests. but operati tl post, cultivating center right voters, they demand fealty to him and want to purge the party of critics such as georgia governor brian kemp have largely taken over. joining us former republican congressman carlos curbelo of

florida and msnbc political analyst, robert gibbs is former white house press secretary under president obama, also an msnbc political analyst. so let's go back, robert, kind of to presidential campaigning 101 if we can. how important are state party operations to any campaign? and what exactly do they do? >> yeah, it's a great question and a good place to start. they're crucial to the success of presidential campaigns because they come with it for any presidential campaign, they come with a base of activists, folks that are used to getting out there and knocking on doors, contributing money, being part of that larger election effort, and the reality of it is each presidential campaign will seek to build some of their own network and infrastructure in each state, but the better the state party, the better that infrastructure comes ready built for a presidential candidate to absorb, and i think we've seen the electoral impacts in many of these states that have covered

in the "washington post." i looked at a place like michigan, you know, michigan was overwhelmed in 2022 by a really ll-run campaign by governor whitmer for re-election, and others, and quite frankly, made a state that was much closer in 2020 much less close in 2022. if michigan doesn't get its act together, if these other states don't get their act together, they're going to be facing that same challenge heading into a crucial presidential election. >> so ca watson, the ge republican chairman between 20 2019 told the post th, there has been an cleansing instead of al electionee if those new entrants to the party want to argue the earth is flat and the election is stolen, those are counterproductive to winning elections. how emblematic is that simple, straightforward statement to the current dilemma facing these state parties and how far

reaching, as you see it, is the maga effect across the country? >> well, chris, there are a lot of parallels between what's happened to house republicans in a very public way and what is happening to republican organizations at the state and local level throughout the country. the bottom line is that donald trump and his movement have divided the republican party, and as we've seen in the house, a party that's divided cannot pass legislation, cannot move bills, while the same thing happens at the state and local level, a party that's divided and fighting internally cannot dedicate the resources and organize to support candidates in key races. on top of that, some of the candidates that are making it through the primaries aren't electable in a general election. we certainly saw that in 2022 mid terms, so these divisions in the republican party are real, and they will really hurt the party's chances in 2024 and beyond. >> speakin of maga carlos,

"politico" reports that trump ally and election denier kari lake is trying to reach out and trying to meet with republicans, the same ones she attacked during her failed gubernatorial run. republic congressman elise stefanik is behind her. she's the number three ranking member in the house gop leadership. on the senate side you've got lindsey graham, john barrasso behind her. of course donald trump a big supporter of hers. how strong a candidate do you think she'll be? >> well, i think this is going to be a hard act for kari lake to pull off. she has spent years bashing so-called mccain republicans in her own state, disqualifying them, calling them all sorts of names, and now kari lake after losing the last election for governor wants to reach out to mitch mcconnell's leadership team and wants to mend fences with traditional or centrist republicans, whatever we want to call them these days.

so i think her record is clear, and i think she is a weak candidate because she is now going to try to become someone who she isn't. she is now going to try to reach out to people who she has disqualified and diminished over many years, so that stays complicated. you have -- probably an independent, a democratic candidate as well, but if those three candidates run, i think it would be very difficult for kari lake to win. >> all right, robert, let me play devil's advocate there then, high name recognition. she does seem to be racking up some of the best known and most powerful people in the republican party behind her. i mean, on the other hand, if you look back to 2020, there were a number of what i guess you would call maga extreme senate candidates. i'm thinking about people like blake masters, dr. oz, herschel walker, they probably helped democrats. tell me your take on this race?

>> well, first and foremost, i think there's a strong reason why she's not referred to today as governor. that's a good place to start. second -- and you know, building off of what carlos said -- i mean, this is going to come across as remarkably disingenuous, right? she spent years fomenting a certain line, now she wants to reach out to those people. now she wants to have conversations with those voters. it's almost as if she's figured out that not talking to the entire electorate isn't a winning strategy. but people are going to ask her, do you really mean it? are you sincere? which kari lake are we getting here? are we getting the pre-2024 kari lake? the post-2022 kari lake? what are we getting? i think it's a very problematic candidacy. the reason she has people like lindsey graham is not because they necessarily think she's the strongest candidate, they think she's running, and they think she's going to be the nominee,

and if you're lindsey graham or other republicans you have to go with her, even if she's not the strongest candidate. let me tell you, mitch mcconnell knows that kari lake's not the strongest candidate. he knows how important candidate quality is in these races, and i think arizona starts in a good place for democrats despite the fact that you're going to have a complicated side on the democratic side with an independent candidate as the incumbent senator. >> robert gibbs, former congressman carlos curbelo, guys, thank you. have a great weekend. appreciate you being here. still ahead, inside the new department of education investigation into recent protests at three elite universities for allegedly violating the civil rights act. t moving forward with node- positive breast cancer is overwhelming. but i never just found my way; i made it. and did all i could to prevent recurrence. verzenio reduces the risk of recurrence of hr-positive, her2-negative, node-positive, early breast cancer with a high chance of returning,

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the european commission and ibm have pulled advertising off the platform. ibm specifically saying it does not want to have anything to do with these sorts of sentiments. and at this hour, chris, we are also getting reaction from the white house which took the time to i a statement specifically calling this out, referring to musk's actions as abhorrent. we condemn this abhorrent racist hate in strongest terms, the white house wrote, and this isn't them speaking out against a random tech billionaire, this is the provider of america's largest single private source of transportation to space. not to mention, elon musk is the ceo of the largest constellation of satellites. a strange situation the white house has been put into, having

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