something that needs to be maintained, that there are certain rules of engagement, that somebody's are better than others, that construct somebody says desirable, and we have to push back. the best ways to build body literacy, and of course menstrual and menopause literacy is a key part of that. >> this is the education i needed today on this sunday, and i hope that everyone watching learned something and thinks about this in a much more critical way. thank you to you both, alicia reporter for the new york times, and chris, professor of women's gender and sexuality studies at the university of matches two shots at boston. do not miss the premiere of periodical tonight at ten pm, right here on msnbc. that is going to do it for me, i am charles coleman junior. it has been an honor and a pleasure to fill in for my friend ali velshi. ali, unfortunately tested positive for covid this morning, and my friend, we are wishing you a very speedy recovery. a special set out to his team

for making today easier, and if you want more of me, you can find me on all of these socials and right here on msnbc, where i am an analyst. the names charles coleman junior, stay right where you are. inside with jen psaki is starting right now. starting right now >> an appeals court prepares to decide what donald trump can say about the federal case against him. as a republican party lets him say whatever he wants, no matter how dangerous it gets. i'll talk to congressman dan goldman about all of it, and how trump's violent language is trickling down to the halls of congress. plus a judge in colorado lets the former president stay on the ballot. but rules that he did incite the insurrection on january 6th. our law firm is here to tell us what that means, next. and then also today, breaking news out of the middle east. sources tell nbc news that israel and hamas are closing in on a deal to release some of the hostages, in exchange for a pause in fighting. and later, my wide-ranging

conversation with illinois governor j.b. pritzker. we talk about trump's terrifying plans if he takes back the white house, and how democrats can beat him in 2024. >> right now, the debate over donald trump's incredibly dangerous rhetoric is not just playing out in the court of public opinion, though we see it there. it's also playing out in the court of law. tomorrow morning, an appeals court here in washington d.c. will hear arguments about what trump can and cannot say about the federal trial over his efforts to overturn an election. remember, a gag order in that case was imposed and paused and reinstated and suspended. it's been a lot to keep up with. so yes, our court system is clearly grappling with the challenges of trying a former president and current candidate turned criminal defendant. we'll talk about what happens during this appeals court hearing on our show tomorrow night, but as we saw in trump's

civil fraud trial in new york, trump's intent on testing the limits of the rule of law. the gag order, whether a gag order is in place or no gag order is in place. in fact, he violated it, and was fined thousands of dollars, twice. when it was lifted, he could barely -- posting a message on truth social, calling a law clerk politically biased and out of control. in trump's eyes, he is bigger than the procedures of the court. he is outside the rule of law. and in his eyes, his political supporters, the maga base, want to hear him attacked the legal system. that's why he does it. he will push the envelope as far as he's allowed to go. and often even for the. and as we watch our court struggle to contain him, and they're having a hard time, it's become increasingly clear that his party, the republican party, might be the only institution that can actually hold him accountable. but so far, they're refusing to step up. they have tolerated trump echoing the language of

genocidal dictators, routinely dehumanizing his political opponents. speaking not just of beating his enemies at the ballot box, but extinguishing them altogether. they've told rated the dark vision for america that trump is plotting for a second term. complete with sweeping raids, sprawling detention camps, and mass deportation for immigrants. with a reinstated muslim ban, and a push to unleash troops on protesters. just last night, trump wrote on truth social that 2024 is our final battle. we will finish the job once and for all. see, he's casting this not as an election, but as a battle. for a republican that doesn't speak out against that kind of thing, everyone is complicit. but we're also at a point where the party isn't just tolerating donald trump, they are following his lead. inward, and also in action. maybe that has something to do with his view of what the maga base wants, a base many republicans are scared of losing, or even just scared of in general.

this violent rhetoric has triggered down to congress, where literal fighting erupted this week. if the head of the party is spouting violent rhetoric any chance he gets, i guess it's not really surprising that brawls are on the verge of breaking out in the halls of the capitol. there's a connection there. this, week in the span of one day, i'm talking about one day here, former house speaker kevin mccarthy was accused of elbowing tennessee representative tim burchett in the kidneys, a fistfight nearly broke out in the middle of a senate hearing, one senator markwayne mullin stood up from his chair to confront the president of the teamsters union, i'm not sure why that was necessary. and the chairman of the house oversight committee screamed at another representative in another hearing, calling him a smurf. i don't know what the use of that word is. but here we go. in fact, republicans tempers flared so dramatically and so publicly, that speaker mike johnson told them to take thanksgiving to cool off. but let's face it, we all kind of know they won't. because the fact is, the fish

rots from the head. it always does. and donald trump remains the de facto head of the gop. now, none of this behavior should come as a surprise, given trump's role in unleashing a violent law -- the problem is, rank-and-file republicans in congress seemingly refused to learn from that history. even when it once put their lives in jeopardy. joining me now is democratic congressman dan goldman of new york. congressman, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. i want just to start with what's been happening in the house. you are relatively new to being a member, less than a year here. but you've been around members for a long time. as you observe, it and when you speak with your veteran colleagues, have you noticed a shift in congress towards more threats and insults, even amongst each other? >> well, certainly this republican party is demonstrating it's complete dysfunction, that's now fallen into actual violence.

we have been in d.c. for ten straight weeks, which is much longer than usual. but i think it's more a reflection of the fact that the house republicans, in particular, cannot get anything done. not only are they not working with democrats, they can't even resolve among themselves what they want to go forward. so tensions are incredibly high. they have a failed impeachment inquiry going on, they can't pass any legislation, they end up doing what the democrats want, because that's the only thing that can get through. and then there's a backlash from the far-right. so not only do you have wwe in one day in congress this week, but you also have a republican member of the house go to the floor, and demand that his leadership tell him one single thing that the republicans have gotten done this year that he can campaign on, because there is nothing. so this is really a civil war within the republican party, and it's a shame for the american people. because we're ready to work,

we're ready to get stuff done for the american people. >> i want to also turn to trump, of course, and just some of what the reporting has been around some of these conversations, also as we anticipate a year full of troubles next year. i want to listen to a part of a convsation that he had with abc's jonathan karl about january 6th, and get your thoughts on the other end. >> you told him you are going to go up to thetal, where you just -- >> i was going to, and secret service said you can't. an then by the time i would have, and then when i get back id i want to go back. i w tnking about going back during the problem to stop the problem, doingself secret service didn't like that idea too much. >> so -- >> i could've done that. and you know what, i would've been very well received. >> so, there's been so much speculation, and contemplation and discussion about what trump wanted to do, what he did or didn't know. do you think as a prosecutor, this is something that could be useful in the case against trump? how will it be used?

>> well, look. he says i would be well received, because he knows that the people that were there are his supporters who he riled up and incited to invade and riot at the capitol, and try to disrupt the proper counting of the electoral -- so every time he talks, he is putting himself into a bigger criminal hole. that's not his objective. his objective is purely political at this point. politics don't work in a courtroom, as i think he's finding out, in the new york attorney generals case. in new york, the civil case. and that's going to continue in his criminal trials. but his rhetoric is really getting dangerous. more and more dangerous. we saw what happened on january 6th, when he used his inflammatory rhetoric now, and his recent truth social post is incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to work in government. and it is just unquestionable

at this point that that man cannot see public office again. he is not only unfit, he is destructive to our democracy, and he has to be eliminated. >> there are several hearings going on right now, back and forth's over gag orders and various cases. none of it seems to be working. what do you think -- what are the consequences that might work, and having trump dial back his language? or would anything work? >> well, i've noted that the gag orders are very specific to the case that they relate to. it is not trying to infringe on his ability to campaign or make political speech. it's really just trying to stop him from threatening witnesses, prosecutors, and judges. which of course is out of bounds. and if he continues to do that, there will be a ratchet up of penalties. it may start with fines, but it could ultimately end up with jail time. and at some point, donald trump

believes he is above the law, and he is going to meet the law head first. >> i want to get your reaction to new reporting from nbc overnight that u.s. israel and hamas negotiators are closing in on a deal to release some of the hostages in exchange for a pause in the fighting. and this morning on meet the press, deputy national security advisor jon finer did confirmed that they were discussing more than a dozen hostages, so a larger number than we've seen to date. he could not confirm how many were americans and also made clear nothing is agreed of course until anything is agreed, which is always the case in negotiations. but i want to get your reaction to the possibility of this deal, which would also include a temporary cease of hostilities. >> well, this is what we all should be focusing on right now. is the release of the 248 hostages that includes 33 children and babies who have been held for 43 days in

captivity by hamas. that should be the focus of the entire international community right now. it is abhorrent, it is obviously a legal, and it is treacherous. and the fact that there is a focus on other things related to what's going on, and not a real focus on releasing those hostages, so that we can have a pause, so that we can get the aid to the innocent palestinian civilians who so desperately need it, i am glad that we are getting close to it. but i hope it's more than 12. because we've got 33 children, and many more innocent women. the elderly, the innocent civilians must be released. and everyone in the international community should be putting pressure on hamas, on qatar, on iran, on egypt, to then put pressure on hamas to release those hostages. >> u.n. senator cory booker, i should know, you are both in

israel on the day of the october 7th attack. sends a letter to president biden to keep pressing -- this is something that there hasn't been as much focus on until recently. yesterday, the biden administration said they're willing to put sanctions on israeli settlers involved in the attacks. is that enough, and you think this signals a shift in how the administration kind of use that aggression? >> i think that's a significant step, i was very happy to see that the president made that public. israel cannot afford to have any vigilante justice in the west bank, to incite volatility there, in sight violence there, both in terms of the near term, because the focus must be on hamas in gaza and nowhere else. israel and the u.s. must do everything possible to stave off a multi front war. but also, in terms of long term peace process, whatever israel

does in the west bank is going to have an impact on how the international community views israel as a viable partner in a two state solution. which may be the silver lining of this entire dreadful situation over there, is that there may be the foundation for a two-state solution. but we need the entire international community, including the arab league, including gulf states, to both invest political capital and financial capital into a rebuilding of gaza, and a remaking of the middle east, in order to have that two state solution. that it is essential that israel take whatever necessary steps that they can to preserve that possibility. >> so, would you be open to any conditioning of aid, congressman? from the united states? >> no, there should never be conditioning of aid to israel. israel's our perhaps best partner, both militarily, democratically, diplomatically,

we share a tremendous amount of information. there is a very close relationship -- and israel is a democracy that abides by the rule of law. our support for israel must be unconditional, and we should never put actual specific conditions on any aid that goes there. we should, however, as we are doing, use our relationship with israel to press them to do the necessary things for the good of not only israel, but also the broader middle east, and the global community in general. and i think that's what we're seeing president biden do. he has shown excellent and correct start support for israel, as it fights a brutal terrorist regime, that is solely focused on eliminating israel. israel as a democracy, and they abide by the rule of law, and they must abide by the rule of law. and so there's a diplomatic channel that we will use with israel to make sure that we're

all on the same page. but we should not ever be conditioning aid to israel. >> congressman dan goldman, thank you very much for your time today. i hope you have a happy thanksgiving with your family. >> you too, thank you. >> coming up, a judge in colorado says donald trump can stay on the ballot. but that was not the headline that i'm taken away from the ruling. andrew weissmann and neil katyal are standing by to break it all down. and to preview tomorrow's high stakes hearing on trump's gag order. we're just getting started, we'll be right back. e just getting started we'll be right back. we'll be right back. or an unbearable itch. this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. shingles could also lead to serious complications that can last for years. if you're over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside you. and as you age, your risk of developing shingles increases. don't wait. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles today. have you ever wondered what an icon,...

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some headlines after a judge in colorado ruled late friday that donald trump will remain on the primary ballot there. here they are. it all looks very positive for, him right? it looks like a win for the former president at first glance. those headlines do not tell the full story. because while the judge ruled he can stay on the ballot, she also said this. quote, trump acted with the specific intent to incite

political violence, and direct it at the capitol with the purpose of disrupting the electoral certification. and, the court finds that petitioners have established that trump engaged in an insurrection on january 6th, 2021. so just a pause on that for one second. a judge ruled that a former president engaged in insurrection against the united states. it's another friday night in 2023, here we go. so why is he still in the ballot? that's the first question i have. it all came down to a very specific part of section three of the amendment, which lets off who would be disqualified from holding public office again after previously taking an oath to support the constitution of the united states. the judge ruled that because that section does not specifically name the presidential oath or the presidency, that presidents are therefore exempt. so it kind of seems like trump was let off the hook because of a technicality and the fine print. that's not legal analysis, although i do have some of the best lawyers to do that. this will be appealed to the supreme court, but the supreme

court will likely have the final say on what happens here. joining me now is our in-house law firm, andrew weissmann is the former council of the fbi and a senior week -- is the former acting u.s. solicitor general. so andrew, we always know what you think because you're very prolific on twitter. but i want to ask you, let's say it really donald trump basically said this is a gigantic victory, a court victory for him. what did you think when you read that ruling? >> that's a lot like his singapore an impeachment, he was exonerated. or the mueller report exonerated him. look, that's his spin. i do think there's a factual component to this ruling, and a legal component. it's great that you're focusing on the sort of misleading headlines. the factual component is not just the bottom line that you read with the judge says i find that he incited, but she goes through a litany of his history of violent rhetoric. and let me just give you one example from the ellipse, which i think many people have not

focused on, was the judge said this is from donald trump's exact words. when you catch somebody in a fraud, you're allowed to go by very different rules. and then he talked about fighting over and over again. i mean, there was the very explicit finding, with enormous support, and i'm sure neil's gonna talk a lot about the legal ruling. but here's my non legal view. the idea that people passed this part of the constitution, saying if you engage in insurrection, you cannot hold any office except the presidency, seems crazy. >> it doesn't make sense. >> no. >> that is a -- so, neil, one of the big questions here is kind of what happens from here. a lot of the reporting suggests it could go to the colorado supreme court next, and then ultimately to the supreme court. you're very familiar with these processes, walk us through kind of what could happen from here. >> yes.

so i do argue appeals for a living, and i live in colorado, so i'm very familiar with the colorado supreme court. i think andrew and you have exactly right. if i were to put the headline on friday, as an appeals lawyer, it would be this is the very worst decision donald trump could get from the trial court. because it's going to go on appeal to the colorado supreme court, perhaps the u.s. supreme court, and they are trump is going to face extreme headwinds. and the reason for that is the factual -- there's two parts, as andrew says. there's a factual finding, that the judge said, which is trump committed insurrection, and then there's a legal part that the 14th amendment doesn't apply to the office of the presidency. and on appeals, jen, the factual findings get massive deference by the appeals court. it's almost impossible to overturn a trial judge is factual finding. you can overturn the legal findings, because that's basically a fresh look at the legal thing. and here, this judge factually

made devastating findings against trump, and then looked at this legal technicality, which is the 14th amendment doesn't apply to the office of the president, which is so weak, even the judge themselves admitted that this would be preposterous. and the reason for that is that there are other parts of the constitution, let's say that the presidents is an office soldier of the united states, which is kind of obvious, and the text printed in bold when you flash the 14th amendment, says it applies to quote, any office, civil or military, under the united states, as long as you taken an oath. and of course, the president does take an oath. and it would be an insane reading other. -- could have run for the presidency in 1868. that could not possibly be the law, and i don't think it will commence a majority of the clutter supreme court, or certainly the united states supreme court. >> so you've argued a lot of cases before the supreme court, would you take this case? >> yes. i'm ready.

>> heck yes. i we have to move on to others, so much legal news happening. tomorrow, there is an appeals court judge who temporarily paused the gag order that barred trump from commenting on court stuff involved on the civil fraud trial. there's a judge panel was in front of the u.s. court of appeals. what are you looking for, what should we be watching for? >> this relates much to what we've been talking about, and also to your interview with congressman goldman, which is violence. again, i'm not a lawyer, i'm a lay person, but i think that will be what the panel will be focused on, because -- >> violent rhetoric? >> exactly. the history of violence, and what happened just this week in congress. his picture with a baseball bat, with alvin bragg. his discussion of mark milley, his bling and attack on an 82-year-old man, with a hammer, that it was almost fatal because he's the husband of a political enemy.

are a perceived political enemy. all of that to me is going to feed into the arguments and the idea that you're going to say -- just sort of ignore the reality that this is a can do it he was embracing violence, and what the judge wants to have on their conscience, that they're going to have allowed this to happen. because i sure as we're sitting here, this is going to repeat. there is a woman currently criminally charged for threatening to kill the district judge on this case. so this is really a reputation of donald trump's lawyers argument, that this is just speculative. that's what they're arguing. and this is just not the case. >> very quickly, in the remaining seconds, what do you think the headline is going to be out of tomorrow if you are would guess? >> these are really respected judges, they all worked at the justice department, i suspect that they will ask really tough questions of trump, because he is dangerous and he's generated

the very best evidence against his position on the gag order, so i think the headlines tomorrow we'll read judge is very skeptical of donald trump's appeal. >> we will be watching it and we will be talking about it tomorrow night. andrew weissmann and -- thank you so much as always. coming up, as we track some breaking news on a potential deal between israel and hamas on the release of hostages. we'll have some perspective on what's happening in the white house in moments like this. and later, my conversation with governor pritzker. alas came if more democrats should be speaking out about the dangers posed by donald trump. we'll be back, after a quick break. p. we'll be back, after a quick break.

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advisor jon finer about where negotiations stand. >> >> some of the upstanding areas of disagreements, very complicated, very sensitive negotiations, have been narrowed. i believe we are closer than we have been in quite some time. maybe closer than we've been since the beginning of this process to getting this deal done. but at this point, we really need to adhere to the mantra that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. sensitive negotiations like this can fall apart at the last minute. >> nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. what jon finer is telling us there is including everything you can without going too far, and potentially complicating what is a very complicated negotiation. so why can't the white house say more in this moment? i've lived through a lot of these, antipathy the final stages of hostage deals hang by a thread. in this case, u.s. and israeli officials have been talking about a deal for weeks now, with the qataris. the qatar prime minister said today that all that remains are very minute details, and that

sounds promising. and it is, but in my experience, those minor details can be the difference between a deal and no deal. so if you're sitting inside the white house right now, you are navigating some massive challenges. finer says that considerably more than a dozen hostages are being considered for release. but the question is, how many, and how many will be left behind? we just don't know yet. and finer also acknowledged that the u.s. does not have good intel on the status of those that remain. apart from the hostage deal, the national security team also has their eyes on rising violence in the west bank, something we discuss with dan goldman. which is now prompted an internal policy process to consider visa bans and sanctions for israeli settlers. and finally, the humanitarian crisis in gaza has reached a breaking point. take for instance, the situation in gaza's largest hospital over the last few days. israeli forces stormed al-shifa hospital, searching for hamas command center evidence. but so far, they've come up short. and the world health organization know described that hospital as a death zone.

they found 80 bodies -- so the pause in the fighting would allow a much-needed influx of medical aid, that's a great thing. and of course, the release of any hostages would be incredible news. but if you're sitting in the white house right now and you're looking to resolve this conflict, there are still larger challenges ahead. up next, what does one of the most prominent jewish lawmakers in the country think about donald trump echoing the words of hitler, you'll find out in my ride ranging interview. and later on -- you might think i'm describing a weekend with a housewife. but those are just a few items in a scathing house ethics report on george santos. we've got a deep dive coming in, in just a few minutes. we'll be right back. right back. right back. 12 hours!! not coughing? hashtag still not coughing?! mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion and any type of cough, day or night. mucinex dm. it's comeback season.

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we're waiting on more republicans to speak up, democrats are battling back. including one of the most prominent jewish politicians in the united states, illinois governor j.b. pritzker. i sit down with him this week in chicago to talk about what we're seeing and hearing from donald trump right now, and how democrats could make the case against him. >> donald trump's team have put out some details of how he sees immigration, if that's how you describe it. which includes his threat to round up undocumented immigrants across the country, create camps, large numbers of deportations, the migrant crisis though, is front and center for a lot of people in this country. on the border, but also in states like illinois. do you worry that his tough talk approach will be appealing for people in the country? >> jen, i lead the building of a holocaust museum. the rhetoric that's being used by donald trump, the rhetoric that's being used by some of the maga extremists, it is

rhetoric that was used in the 1930s in germany. i am very concerned about the direction of the country, if we see policies like what donald trump is espousing, come to light for our country. >> i think you're referencing in part, he used the word vermin, just recently, to describe who he was targeting. as one of the leading jewish governors in the country, what did you think when you heard that? >> well, it's just one in a long series of remarks, words that donald trump has used, that are unfortunately reminiscent of the past. let me just be clear, in germany, in the 1930s, people that they didn't want to have power, people that they wanted to separate and segregates, they began calling them immigrants. even people that had been in germany for generations, jews

who were doctors, lawyers, in government at the time. became known as immigrants. even though they were german. and this is a way to begin to segregate people, and then eventually, at least what happened to germany's they turned it into a way to almost humanize. and then they did in fact dehumanize, and kill people. i don't know where it's going with donald trump, what i can tell you is the things that he talks about are frightening to those of us who know the history of europe, in the 1930s and 40s. and i'm deeply concerned about his predilection for revenge. and what that will mean for groups of people that didn't support him in the 2024 election, if in fact he gets elected. >> he has, to your point, talked about political targeting, about going after his enemies, do you think people or talking about that

enough? other democratic leaders? no. and i repeat it wherever i go, that donald trump is dangerous for our democracy. he's dangerous for specific minority groups in the united states, and i think that's for those of us who have a platform to call it out, it is our requirements in my view. for all of us to call it out. not just democrats, by the way. republicans to. >> do you expect they will speak out? >> i hope they will. i know there are people who are afraid. and that's exactly what donald trump hopes. is that people will be too afraid to speak out. i'm not, josh shapiro is not, many other democrats, whether your jewish or another minority group in the united states, are not. but there are republicans that need to stand up and call it out, and i'd like to see that sooner rather than later.

>> just after the war began, a six-year-old palestinian was killed in your state, you were very vocal about this. by a man who allegedly cited the terror attack in israel as his motive. obviously he condemned, if you conducted many times. but how worried are you about the overall rise in hate speech and the potential for violent actions as a result? >> i am deeply concerned about the rise of hate in the united states, and especially of course, here in illinois. i worry about it on or college campuses. we've seen protests and i think it's everybody's right to express themselves. what i don't want is protests and counterprotest encountering each other. and that turning into a violence, that concerns me greatly. the boy, the six-year-old palestinian american boy, there is a completely innocent young child who doesn't know anything about conflicts happening

thousands of miles away. he was just living his life. and he is attacked by an extremist, here in the united states. it's just something that none of us should even fathom. and yet it happened, and it happened in the wake of this war that's happening overseas. and this young boy, killed, murdered, because someone had been radicalized by right-wing radio and right-wing television. that's something we all need to pay attention to. >> there's obviously been some polls that have named a lot of democrats freak out a bit as of late. and i think that's safe to say. you've said that the choice hasn't been crystallized, i'm paraphrasing for you of course. what do you think is the most important crystallization of that choice? >> well, you know, i don't

think yet people have really put these two next to each other and evaluated what the philosophies and agendas are of these two people. you still have a republican primary going on, even if people are saying that donald trump will win. there are debates going on, you're hearing from other characters on the republican side. it's a jumble for voters who are just trying to get through the day, pay their bills, go to work, take care of their families. and people don't really focus until, let's face it, after the conventions. and so it's just in those final couple of months, from july all the way through november, that this needs to be brought home to the people. so when that happens, that crystallization i think will occur in people's minds, and people will see that the democracy that they believe in, the country that they fled their allegiance to, the patriots out there we'll see

that the best thing for america is to put aside the authoritarian donald trump and vote for the empathetic, genuinely democratic and believer in protecting peoples rights, in joe biden and kamala harris. >> senator joe manchin has announced he is not running for senate again. he's also said he doesn't think that biden harris is the best, strongest take it. that's a bit of a paraphrase. you've been a strong supporter of the president, but what do you think about that? >> i am concerned. i think third party candidates running for president have had an effect on prior number of elections for president. but i will also tell you that joe biden is somebody that, compared to these other candidates, is head and shoulders above, and i do believe that people will see that donald trump is the anti-democratic authoritarian candidates that is bad for america. >> thank you to governor pritzker for sitting down with me in chicago, and we're gonna

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republicans might actually hold one of their own accountable. i know, we've been waiting for this for a long time. this week, congressman george santos started feeling new pressure from within the party to resign, after the house ethics committee released a damning report on his conduct. the report found substantial evidence that santos broke multiple federal laws, the republican chairman of that committee has already filed his own resolution to expel santos, and a wave of republicans previously against expulsion are now coming out publicly to say that he should either resign, or they will boot him himself from the chamber. when you pour through the

details of this report, and believe me, we did, many people dead, it's no wonder that republicans are saying that santos has to go. i mean, to start with, he lied about his personal finances to constituents, that's a big no no. two campaigns borders, to staff, and on his disclosure forms he falsified a list of donors to the ftc, and he used campaign funds to pay down his own credit card debt. for, wait for, shopping sprees at luxury stores and four payments to the adult content site onlyfans. you cannot make it up sometimes. and trust me, that's just a sampling of what the report found. so yeah, republicans are showing us they do have the ability to call one of their own. good for them. congresswoman nationally -- said it was illegal and unacceptable, and americans deserve better from their representatives. all right congressman, that's true. congressman greg murthy of north carolina said that sentence his actions were reprehensible, and he was not

worthy of being a member of congress. also true there, congressman murphy. and even the new house speaker, mike johnson, isn't providing santos any cover. he said the report was very troubling, also very true, and urged lawmakers to consider the best interests of the institution. it's a good thing that lots of republicans don't tolerate this kind of behavior anymore. we've been waiting. and yet, you knew there was going to be a yet in here. lots of republicans have been much less vocal about the mounting allegations and evidence against their own parties leader, donald trump. a guy who, of course, has been impeached twice, was referred to the justice department for criminal charges by a bipartisan select committee, has been found liable in civil trials, both for fraud and sexual abuse, and is currently facing 91 felony counts across four indictments in four separate jurisdictions. i mean, call me crazy. but all of that, sexual abuse,

classified documents, trying to end american democracy, is actually much worse than the allegations against george santos. much, much worse. as crazy as those allegations are too. but i'm sure those republican lawmakers i just mention have spoken out strongly about trump, right? well, after trump's third indictment, congresswoman hinton, the same when we talked about earlier, tweeted, another biden kicked scandal, another trump indictment, just like clockwork. congressman greg murphy, the same guy we just talked about, called trump's manhattan indictment, quote, just another milestone in how far democrats will go. and then, of course, there's the upper pious new speaker of the house. who just this week endorsed donald trump for president. >> i have endorsed him wholeheartedly. i'm all in for president trump. i expect will be your nominee, yes. we have to make biden a one term president, we have to do that. >> so, just to summarize here, the pious speaker, mike johnson,

is very troubled by paying for onlyfans with the campaign funds, but paying hush money to a porn star, obstructing investigations, and inciting a violent attack on the capital, he's all in for. this is all a reminder, republicans are willing to draw lines, just not when it comes to donald trump. we're coming right back after a very quick break. stay with us. after very quick break stay with us stay with us balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪)

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we go today. be sure to tune in tonight to ten pm eastern to check out a new msnbc film documentary called periodical. it's an honest look at menstruation amanda pause, and an effort to smash historical stigmas. that documentary is also streaming on peacock. i will be back here tomorrow night at eight pm eastern time. we have a big show planned, to kentucky's democratic governor, and it bashir, who was just reelected to a second term. i have lots to talk to him about as we look ahead to 2024. also, i'll be speaking with foer trump white house aide, cassidy hutchison. she will join me here in washington as. well i'll ask for her response to brand-new audio from donald trump which confirms what she's known all along. trump wanted to go to the capital's insurrection was unfolding on january 6th. that's all coming up tomorrow night at eight pm. for now, stay right where you are. there's much more news coming up on msnbc. >> the