plains peanut festival so certainly we know that they spent every moment together and certainly, of course, so many people are wishing the former president himself well this morning. >> indeed, blayne alexander, thank you so very much. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time, andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the d.c. court of appeals hears argument from former president trump's lawyers challenging the limited gag order from the federal judge overseeing his trial for trying to overturn the election. with special counsel jack smith's -- >> and then the prosecution comes in and says actually it would be okay to make the public statement criticizing someone who is a potential witness, they contend, and that wouldn't be targeted. at that point from the defense perspective it's like, what does target mean?

with special counsel jack smith's prosecutor arguing that the gag order is needed to ensure a fair trial. in the israel/gaza war new you are general ski about a potential deal to release a large number of women and children hostages in exchange for an equal amount of prisoners being held in israel along with several days' long pause in hostilities. >> when will more hostages get out? >> i'm not in a position to tell you that. plus, stunning new lows for president biden's approval rating with our new nbc poll high many lighting his popularity among young voters and independents and on foreign policy. remembering rosalynn carter, the former first lady and tireless fighter for human rights, mental health programs and social justice dying at age 96 after more than seven decades

by president carter's side. we'll look back on her life and legacy. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where attorneys for president trump and special counsel jack smith squared off over a limited gag order on the former president. this narrowly framed gag order was issued by the presiding judge in his election interference trial after he had been warned not to disparage witnesses and prosecutors in the case which sparked harassment and threats to some of the participants. the three-judge panel sounding skeptical while questioning mr. trump's attorney who argued that his first amendment rights were being violated because he's a presidential candidate. but the special counsel's office pushing back, saying the gag order is needed to ensure a fair trial. joining me now is nbc news justice correspondent ken dilanian outside the courthouse and andrew weissmann, senior

prosecutor on the mueller investigation. the three-judge panel heard the arguments from both sides. from what you heard, is there any indication of how they might rule? >> well, one interpretation of what we heard today, andrea, the tenor of the questioning and the nature of the comments from the judges is that they are inclined to uphold this limited gag order but perhaps limit it further and tinker with some of the language. and the latter is based on their close questioning of cecil vandevender, the attorney for the special counsel, about how exactly to apply certain language, like the word "targeting," for example. there are legitimate first amendment issues here with restricting the speech of a presidential candidate and that's why the aclu weighed in on donald trump's side this this case and said that the gag order was too vague and too broad. but vandevender kind of set the table for the unprecedented nature of this when he said to the judges, there's never been a case in american history where a

criminal defendant has broadcast to a national audience vicious attacks on the prosecution and their team and the judge and potential witnesses. we're just in uncharted territory. he said that alone would justify this limited gag order, but, in fact, there's also a record that people in the land, in the public have acted on some of this rhetoric to make threats against court personnel and one case the judge and prosecutors and so that's the justification. i think you heard the judges grow exasperated with john sawyer, the former missouri solicitor general because they were trying to push him to articulate examples where the first amendment wouldn't apply, for example, if donald trump threatened a witness but did it over social media, broadcasting it to the public and he really wouldn't concede any ground and most observers i talked to believe he knows this is going to the supreme court. he wanted to create a record where he didn't concede anything. and so that's where it's headed.

this court, this panel could rule within days. they're hearing it on an expedited basis and ultimately it will end up before the supreme court, andrea. >> andrew weissmann, what is your reading of the oral arguments today? >> one, just as a lawyer, listening in to this very lengthy argument, it was a model of how you want judges to behave. they poked and prodded at both sides and asked cogent questions of both sides. where i think it's going is where ken said. i think they'll affirm the gag order, but there are two ways in which i think they signaled to both sides that they had issues. i think that they will limit with respect to nonpublic figures such as witnesses who are not publicly known, people not like mike pence or mark milley and with the statements criticizing them are clearly related to their trial

testimony, in other words, if donald trump is speaking about mark milley and commentating on his book tour, that seems like something that the judges are prepared to say is fair game, so they're really going to try to weigh the various interests, the first amendment interest, the interest the district judge to validly control and make sure that the trial is fair, but i think that the issue of whether someone is a public figure or not and whether they -- it relates to their perspective trial testimony will be the two things that the court is focused on in limiting the gag order. >> and do you agree that this is headed to the supremes? >> they're going to certainly, i think -- i think donald trump will try that. it will be interesting whether they weigh in or not. there are unusual issues here that have not been squarely addressed, but i think what the

decision is -- i think there's no question the supreme court is going to say that some part of this gag order is legitimate, so it may not be successfully appealed. >> ken dilanian and andrew weissmann, thanks to both of you for starting us off. and remembering rosalynn carter next, a special conversation on her life's work and how she helped redefine the model role of first lady when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds. stay with us. you're watching msnbc. >> this week we will gather with the people we love and the traditions we've built up in our own families and think about the loved ones we lost including just yesterday when we lost the former first lady, rosalynn carter, who walked her own path inspiring a nation and a world along the way. and it's awesome. it's an all-in-one, that absorbs dirt and grime deep inside. and it helps prevent streaks and haze. wetjet is so worth it.

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96. half of the longest married first couple in american history. mrs. carter died only days after entering hospice care at home on friday following her announced diagnosis of dementia last may. she was surrounded by her family and her beloved husband in their home in plains, georgia. her funeral is planned for next wednesday after thanksgiving. the carters' partnership was legendary and key to their work at the white house and remarkable post-white house legacy. unique among american presidencies. after her death psident carter in hospice care at home described her as hisqual partner, as long as rosalynn was in the world i always knew somebody loved and supported me and described him as her partner, her friend and her lover. >> it was a love story now spanning more than seven decades. former president jimmy carter and first lady rosalynn carter already the longest married first couple surpassed 75 years

of marriage two years ago and celebrated. >> 75 years. >> both growing up in plains, georgia, they went on their first date in 1945 though rosalynn initially rejected his first proposal and tied the knot on july 7th, 1946. their love has seen them through raising four children, a presidential term running the family peanut farm, humanitarian work around the world, and a cancer diagnosis and even gone from sharing a kiss on the presidential debate stage to a smooch on the kiss cam at the 2019 nba game. the relationship hasn't been without tribulations. the couple reflecting on writing a book together on "today." >> we really did have a terrible time whiting the book. >> we thought perhaps the last chapter would be about our divorce in it. [ laughter ] >> reporter: the 39th president also sharing this marriage advice with judy woodroof on pbs. >> we make up and give each other a kiss before we go to sleep. >> reporter: the carters

celebrated the milestone anniversary two years ago together in their hometown of plains, georgia. >> and to my wife, rosalynn, i want to express my particular gratitude. >> it has been a really wonderful 75 years. >> joining me now are pbs news hour's judy woodruff who covered the carters in the georgia governor's mansion before coming to nbc news for the 1976 campaign and covering the white house, jonathan alter, author of "his very best" and anita mcbride at american university author of "u.s. first ladies making history and leaving legacies," and arguably, thank you all for coming together, and i know that among you, you had

close relations with rosalynn carter. what a legacy. wanted to say something about her legacy from c-span ten years ago this month. >> hope the legacy is more than just first lady. waging peace, fighting disease and building hope, and i hope that i have contributed something to mental health issues and improve a little bit people, the lives of people dealing with mental illnesses. >> judy, you knew her from the days in georgia and, of course, came to washington on that carter campaign. the most striking things about her for you? >> was how she developed from someone who was shy and didn't like speaking in public when he first ran for political office in the early 1960s to someone

who relished politics, loved it, wanted to be at the center of the -- of referee political fight her husband was engaged in. this was a woman who learned so much on the job and it came through when you spoke with her. she knew details. she did her homework. she did research and she loved the political game. she loved it. >> and jonathan alter, in some way perhaps some ways more than her husband did. she was such a combination of substance and politics. let me just play a little bit of her talking about politics. >> i love politics. i enjoy it, and i enjoy the life. >> and, you know, one of the things that was so striking her travels, her diplomatic travels, their first year in office she went 12,000 miles around latin

america negotiating and talking to leaders about nuclear power and agricultural exports and drug interdiction. >> yeah, she was meeting with dictators, confronting them head-on. she was the first first lady who was ever a diplomat for her husband and in that sense took it much further than eleanor roosevelt had, and i was struck by her modesty in talking about her contribution on mental health. she was the first great champion of mental health in the history of this country. it had been a taboo subject, and she dedicated herself to lifting the stigma and then put legislative muscle behind that by winning enactment of the first major peace of mental health legislation ever passed by the congress in 1980. now, ronald reagan repealed a lot of that and some provisions for community mental health centers didn't appear until obamacare 30 years later, but in

the meantime, she continued to champion the rights of the mentally ill and made very substantive contributions in a whole series of other areas including age discrimination, vaccinating children in 33 states, and contributing in a very significant way to moving the federal government from tokenness to genuine diversity. jimmy carter at rosalynn's urging nominated five times as many women to the federal bench as all of his predecessors combined. >> which is remarkable. anit mcbride, her foreign trips, your textbook says she was publicly involved in foreign policy but not in the typical ceremonial way, so talk to me about that. in 1977, central and south

america, seven countries, i referenced 12,000 miles, 13 days and topics including human rights, arms reduction, demilitarization, drug trafficking, nuclear energy, and then thailand walking through hospitals and orphanage tents. >> these were serious substantive issues in which she engaged and in preparation for the latin american trip she learned spanish. she studied the issues, all of the substance that you just recounted and that jonathan referred to. what was interesting, though, about her trip, the president, of course, supported her doing this. the state department briefers told her it would not be successful, it was a macho dominated area of the world and they really pooh-poohed her going. but she knew something that no adviser could do as well as she

could, she was the closest person to the president. she knew these leaders would want to talk to the president. he wasn't there. they can get their message to him through her. you know, it's interesting, when the trip was over and she came back, the president's pollster handed the president a review of how the trip went, how it was perceived in that area of the world, and it was rated as excellent. before that report was given to mrs. carter, president carter had written at the top of it, rosalynn, don't run against your husband. he saw how valuable she was to him. it was perfect. >> and, judy, you saw them most recently i think at the 75th birthday -- anniversary, rather, celebration two years ago in plains. two years ago, july. >> i did. it was the 75th in the summer of

2021 and you played some of that a moment ago. you saw certainly president carter, aging, mrs. carter had -- there was humor in her comments. she several times poked a little bit of fun at him, fun at herself. she -- she strikes me as someone who has taken on the role of former first lady with a fierce embrace, i mean, she with her husband, she always liked to say he's a lot smarter than i, but i do everything i can to keep up with him and she did. i mean, he took her -- she went all around the world with him and then in these final years she's been at his side. it's been an inspirational partnership, andrea. you know so well because you also cover some of that presidency and you saw these are two people who were till the end of their lives have been close, they've been supportive, they believed in the same things,

they've cared about, as you just heard from anita and john, the things that are enduring and i think we're going to remember what she did, what she contributed for a very long time. >> indeed and, judy, i think my first interview with her was on labor day, 1978. you were at camp david. the president couldn't do politics, so she substituted for him and went to texas on a campaign trip and i went with them. i had just been at nbc for a month and i was following in your footsteps. >> only once. only once. [ laughter ] >> judy woodruff, what a treat to have you here. thank you very much and of course, anita and jonathan whose book is so monumental. we'll have more about her in the hour and an interview with one of her close friends in plains. those tense negotiations, discussions over the potential release of some hostages held by hamas continuing. new comments from president

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is a hostage deal near? >> i believe so. i'm not prepared to talk -- >> you believe so? >> yes. >> how soon? >> that was president biden in the last hour on the hostage deal saying, i believe so when asked whether it was real.

as intense negotiations are still under way to win the release of some 240 hostages in gaza. in complex talks involving israel and hamas brokered and between because they don't talk directly by qatar along with u.s. diplomats. sources familiar with the negotiations confirming to nbc news that talks are on the brink of breakthrough although nothing is final yet. the talks have fallen apart before. deputy national security adviser john finer talked to kristen welker about it on "meet the press." >> what i can say at this point some of the outstanding areas of disagreement in a very complicated negotiation have been narrowed and i believe we're closer than we have been in quite some time, maybe since the beginning of the process to getting this deal done. >> under pressure to justify its assault on the al shifa hospital in gaza, israel released this security camera footage of what it says are two hostages

arriving at the hospital on october 7th. nbc news has not been able to verify it independently. hamas said it took hostages to hospitals for treatment but you do see at least one person being dragged along the hallway. joining us now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser in the obama administration and ambassador dennis ross, special envoy to the middle east and distinguished fellow with the washington institute. so we've been reporting on a possible agreement for a couple of days now that would include the release of some of the hospitals in exchange for pausing the fighting of several days and also the release of palestinian women and children, prisoners in israel. what do you think is the final sticking point or points in reaching a deal? >> well, i think this has been brewing for some weeks now, andrea. i think when secretary blinken went to the region he talked to countries about this and working with qatar on this for some time and i'm sure part of what the

u.s. was interested in was getting as many of these hostages out as possible in this negotiation recognizing that releasing all of them is probably not achievable at this time. at the same time this pause of several days, four or five days, is meant to father till state a significant amount of humanitarian assistance also getting into gaza, and alleviating the situation there more than the 20 or 30 or even 100 trucks that have been getting in on some days with pauses. at the same time hamas will want to see probably some commensurate release of palestinian prisoners from israeli prisons and what is the mechanism for getting that aid in, how significant is it? what are israel's concerns about things that have potential dual uses for hamas in that humanitarian shipment and at the same time i'm sure there are israeli sensitivities with any long-term pause of their military operation and any release of palestinian prisoners, as well so i think

that's what's been narrowed, how long is the pause? how much aid is getting in under what mechanism and is there a release of palestinian prisoners as well and can the israeli government sign on to that kind of agreement and there's been some, i think, disagreement inside of israel's government about this. however, when you have the president of the united states going out as joe biden just did and saying essentially he expects to get this done, i think that may actually be his own public message to whatever differences remain, let's get this done, let's get this concluded and some of these people home while we can. >> there's so much pressure on netanyahu, on the government there, ambassador ross, there was a big rally over the weekend, hostage families. it's agonizing for them and netanyahu is really coming from a position of weakness politically. >> yeah, there is a debate going on within israel, obviously the hostage families have this as their primary concern and the truth is, most israelis do, and

ultimately this debate is a debate between those who say, look, if we pause the military campaign right now we're actually taking the heat off hamas at a time when the real military pressure is having an effect versus those who say and primarily these are from the military, the military and leaders of the military are saying we're prepared to pause because we know we'll be able to resume and we failed, we the idf failed in our first obligation, our first obligation was to protect israelis and we failed in that and our responsibility is to get as many out as possible and this is the way to get around 50, the number being discussed, if we can get 50 thousand, it wouldn't be right for us to forgo that possibility and i don't think prime minister netanyahu is in a position where he can resist that, again, not only because of the hostages but israelis generally. this is a kind of preoccupation. whenever someone is taken you do everything you can to get them back.

after all, prime minister of israel, this prime minister of israel release 1,082 palestinian prisoners including the architect of october 7th to get one israeli soldier back, so the idea that in the end they wouldn't do a deal on this, it just flies against the entire ethos and politically, frankly, it wouldn't sustainable not to do it. >> ben, talk to us about the controversy, the pressure building also on israel over the u.n. schools that were attacked, the hospitals, whether or not there is hamas under those hospitals, people are including leading democratic senators are arguing about the disproportionateality of deaths. >> people can see that obviously there is an enormous amount of suffering taking place so i think you have really growing international concern about this and with president macron

calling for a cease-fire you start to see initial support for the israeli military operation beginning to fracture around the world among public opinion and among leaders, and that's going to put pressure on israel and also putting pressure on the united states, obviously, because president biden is so fully embracing this so i do think having kind of multiday pause to really try to get a significant amount of assistance in, to try to alleviate dire circumstances that the people of gaza are under, it won't go all the way to addressing a lot of this international concern about the disproportionateality that people are seeing but could allow for a moment to show that the world is taking steps to address palestinian suffering, that might go some of the way towards alleviating this growing pressure, but obviously it's not going to eliminate the differences about whether this military operation should be going forward at all. >> ben rhodes, dennis ross,

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president biden's job approval number is at an all-time low in a new nbc news poll and the israel/hamas war, excuse me, is a big reason why. his approval rating dropping to

40% since the start of this year and his disapproval number rising to 57%. in key voting blocs 63% of independents disapprove and 21% of democrats. and on foreign policy 33 approve, 62% disapprove of the job the president is doing. he's also trailing donald trump head-to-head for the first time in this poll with trump at 46% and biden at 44%, and that's well within the margin of error. mark murray, susan page, and peter baker. so, mark, on the numbers, the independents, the young people, and to me a big anchor around his weight -- weighing him down right now is foreign policy. >> that's right, andrea, and, you know, this is the weakest state that the president has faced in his presidency so far and it goes beyond the job disapproval rating with 33%

saying they approve of his handling of foreign policy. that's an eight-point drop from two months ago and when asked do you approve or disapprove of his handling of the israel/hamas war, just 34% approve of that, and a lot of the erosion from president biden has come from democrats, so his own party as well as 18 to 34-year-olds, but when we actually look at that hypothetical head-to-head matchup with donald trump and president biden still more than 11 months away, yes, our poll ends up showing donald trump with a two-point lead over joe biden, well within the margin of error, but the movement is kind of interesting, andrea, back in the summer, you ended up joe biden with a four-point lead over donald trump. then just two months ago it was even, and now it is donald trump with a two-point edge and all along we've seen donald trump's numbers stay the same around 45%, 46% so the erosion has come on the joe biden side of things, but one important note of caution from our pollsters, with

this erosion coming from democrats, as well as from younger voters, our pollsters believe this is an opportunity for president biden to bring these people back into the fold, like, this is kind of the low-hanging fruit in american politics, and it's a much easier time to win those voters back than it would, say, to win over independents or disaffected republicans. >> and, susan, let me pick up on what mark mentioned about the israel/hamas war because 70% of 18 to 34-year-olds disapprove of how the president is handling the conflict. how troubling is it for the president, not necessarily saying they'll vote for trump, they could stay home and that would be a real problem, right, for democrats? >> yes, you know, if you look at the last election, biden carried voters under 35 by 20 percentage points. in this new poll, trump has a narrow edge among voters. that is the most single troubling thing about this

survey when you look at it from the view of team biden. as you say, maybe they'll stay home. maybe they won't necessarily go vote for trump but these are voters that the white house needs to have turn out, the white house will make the point that the best thing about this poll is the date on it. they have 11 months to make up ground and point out that is something that biden has done in the past, sometimes despite the predictions of doom from people like us. >> and, peter, you wrote about this today, the president's birthday is today. he turns 81. you talk about the persistent concerns about his age according to the polling. he joked about it again today. how is the white house handling this besides self-deprecating jokes similar to what ronald reagan did. >> you're not going to see a big lavish celebration the way barack obama celebrated his 50th birthday in office or bill clinton celebrated his birthdays in office with fund-raisers and concerts and all that but basically almost nothing. i mean, he's not going to do

anything in public and doesn't want to call attention to it and will celebrate in private in nantucket when they go up for the thanksgiving holiday and, look, it is what it is. the white house i think is pretty tired of talking about this issue but it is one of the most salient issues out there according to the polls, not just the trump people think he's too old, too many democrats from point of the white house think he is too old, age 81. now, what you see from the white house is, look, judging by his record and performance and see in the last few weeks alone a president who is not only manages the war in the middle east, maybe not to everybody's liking but showing great energy in doing so but also meeting with the leader of china, asia an latin america and the leader of mexico and so on and that he's demonstrating through his performance that he can do the job, but that hasn't yet convinced a lot of americans. you hear from some democrats around washington he needs to go on a contrast more and go after

donald trump which is three years younger than him and demonstrating his own cognitive issues lately that the biden team in the view of these democrats needs to sharpen that contrast more and make clear to the country the dangers of a donald trump returning so that will bring those marginal democrats home as far as the white house is concerned that mark was just talking about. >> mark, peter, susan, thanks all. and life and love next. our special conversation with one of rosalynn and jimmy carter's closest friends on how the former first lady will be remembered. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. because when you purchase one, we donate one to those in need. visit bombas.com and shop our big holiday sale. bombas. give the good.

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only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ three days of remembrance to honor the life of former first lady rosalynn carter who died at the age of 96. those events at the carter center in atlanta and the state capitol will culminate next wednesday after thanksgiving with a funeral service at the family's longtime parish. joining me now is jill stuckey, the carters' longtime friend and neighbor and one of the few outside their neighbor who regularly saw the couple. also superintendent of the jimmy carter historical park in georgia. first, my deepest condolences for the loss of your good friend. talk to us about rosalynn carter, the woman you knew, share with us the importance of her role with the former president from what you saw. >> she was amazing partner to

president carter and was truly a partner. she was the love of his life and she was the -- she was just one of the greatest first ladies that ever lived. >> and she was such an important partner to him in the white house and ever since, actually throughout their marriage in the statehouse when she was first lady and he was the governor. >> oh, yes, she was an adviser to him. she was really a vital part of the presidency. when the carter administration was in office, she traveled to central america and south

america and did some crucial work. she did crucial work with mental health and caregiving. she was a tireless worker. she co-founded the carter center with president carter in the early '80s. she never stopped, even in 2020 she started the carter plains foundation here in plains, because they were going to spend more time in plains, so she wanted to keep working while she was here. her work with none narc butterflies, with the rosalynn carter butterfly -- i could go on and on and on. she was just an amazing person and will be sorely missed. >> i want to ask you about her commitment to mental health. she really helped to eliminate the stigma of mental health

care, and it wasn't talked about, certainly not in politics but she did that as the governor's wife and she did that in the white house. it was considered something that you kept in the closet. what motivated her? >> so, she was campaigning for governor carter, and somebody came up to her and said, hey, i think your cause needs to be mental health, and she started looking into it and she was very drawn to it and very touched by the people that she talked to about the issue, and when rosalynn carter gets her mind set on something, she's not going to let go. she's tenacious, and she made it her life's work, of course, she had about 20 things that were her life's work, but i think if you were to interview her today, that would be the one that she was most passionate about other than her family. >> what were they like at home

as a couple, especially after his illness, he had several cancers. >> yeah, it's been tough the last few years and then covid made everybody stay inside for awhile, but they were still working. they were on the phone, they were, you know, they ate right every single day, they exercised every single day and did that because they wanted to live as long as they possibly could to help as many people as they possibly could. but, you know, what were they like? you'd walk into their house and first thing she'd offer you cookies or it was just walking in to a in when they were at a friend's house. they were very down to earth. they were very caring and when rosalynn carter was in the room, she instilled hope.

she was such a hard worker. you knew when she was on the call list, she was going to get things done. >> jill stuckey, thank you so much for your reminisce sanses. i was wondering about her last visit with her. >> last week -- her favorite meal was liver, calf liver. my friend and i took her some calf liver up monday. so she enjoyed her favorite meal last monday. so i'm glad we were able to do that. >> jill, again, our condolences to you, to the family. i know you're close to all of them. of course, the former president, i imagine this is going to be very, very difficult without

her. >> yes. it's going to be very, very difficult. she will be sorely missed. >> thanks so much, jill stuckey. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. our thoughts are with the friends and the entire carter family. arter family

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the white house is kicking off a busy holiday season today. this afternoon first lady jill biden will welcome an 18.5 fraser fur as the white house christmas tree. this morning president biden pardoned the thanksgiving turkeys. liberty and bell are the latest turkeys to be pardoned at the white house, a tradition that makes us think of this classic episode from "the west wing." >> why are there two turkeys. >> customarily the press secretary decides which of the two finalists is more photogenic. their names -- >> i don't want to know their names. >> this one is eric and this one

is troy. >> eric and troy. i'm to choose the more photogenic of the two to receive a presidential pardon? >> yeah. >> i have a master's degree from the university of california at berkeley. >> that's a good school. >> yeah. >> gets me every time. senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez joining me from the white house lawn. you trained your whole career for this duty, the white house turkeys. >> i've covered a lot of stories over the years. but i've got to tell you, i was really looking forward to the turkey pardon. it did not disappoint. incredible. a lot of pom up and circumstances, two turkeys pardoned. you see them there. liberty and bell this year. last year chocolate and chip they spent the night in luxurious accommodations over at

the willard hotel. i think we have a picture of that. how can you top that? liberty and bell just living it up at the willard hotel here in d.c. the president made several jokes. you mentioned earlier it was his 81st birthday. he joked it felt great to turn 60. he tried to tell another joke and talk about taylor swift. he made a reference to britney spears instead. not everything according to plan. there was no foul play at all and the audience just gobbled it up. >> ouch. no foul play indeed. where do the turkeys go next, gabe? >> reporter: as we understand it, andrea, this is a long history, as you know. there's some talk about this dates back to the 1860s with abraham lincoln, that he may have pardoned a turkey or saved a turkey. when his son asked him to do it, some question about whether that story was really true. in the 1940s, president truman

was the first one to ever get a turkey in the modern era. officially it was the h.w. bush administration. those two turkeys are from minnesota, liberty and bell will live out the rest of their lives in the comfort of the university of minnesota. it was a great experience. happy to witness it. my first thanksgiving here at the white house, andrea. >> first of many, gabe gutierrez. wishing you in advance a very happy turkey day on thursday. >> happy thanksgiving, andrea. >> thank you. that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. how do you protect free speech and preserve safety and a fair trial at the same time? those questions are