or what. but if anything, any former president in the building is exciting. >> we like nikki haley. yeah, we respect her a lot, we like her. >> despite the fact that this, of course, is a football event, politics is still very much present here. just behind me, there's a tailgate going on and there's a bunch of trump 2024 flags. just a few feet from where i'm standing, you have a lot of trump merchandise that is for sale and it's definitely getting a lot of traction. so, -- definitely a very big part of what's happening here today with football. alex? >> absolutely but that's gotta hurt for nikki haley, man. that's her alma mater. anyway, all right, greg hyatt, thank you so much. appreciate that live report. in moments, breaking news as hamas delays plans to release more hostages. plus, images that are giving everyone a palpable sense of relief. also, breaking news about george floyd's killer. a report that he's been stabbed, what we know so far. plus, a rage against the legal system. the consequences of donald

trump's tirade during a pause in a gag order. as we bid you all a very good day from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we are beginning this hour with that breaking news. some pretty fast moving developments on this day, 50 since the hamas attack on israel. anxious families, still waiting for the release of a second group of hostages scheduled today, while the fragility of the deal between israel and hamas is coming out a full view. hamas, in a statement, now says it is delaying the hostage release, claiming that israel is in breach of the truce agreement. but yesterday, hamas released 24 hostages, while israel released 39 palestinian prisoners. we are also seeing some pretty dramatic video, a family reunions, like 19 year old -- his mom, karen, and grandmother ruth e. came face to face with their loved ones after being held captive. we also have -- and her daughter's, who were

also released. they've been reunited there with their loved ones. photos of mother and daughter, daniel and emilia -- they were released by the schneider children's hospital. and -- moses was also reunited with her family. her son showed these photos saying, mom is back. -- who was taken from a kibbutz near oz, this on a golf cart, was reunited with her family. these photos shared by her grandchildren. hannah catcher was also taken and released by hamas from her safe, taken from her safe home there in the kibbutz. her husband was killed. also released on friday, more ship from that same kibbutz. her husband was also killed. she returns to her children and grandchildren. and then there is hanna perry, mom of three. one was murdered, another kidnapped. she has diabetes and suffers from severe vision loss. we have a number of reporters from israel to washington prairie to go cover all the days of elements for. you're going to force nbc's david -- he's running us from jerusalem.

david, welcome. so, disappointing news we got about an hour ago, the delay in the hostage for prisoner exchange today. what are the details? what are we hearing overall? >> yeah, hi, alex. what we know so far, we've heard mostly from the hamas side of this. hamas is saying that they have delayed the release of israeli hostages. we don't know by exactly how long. what they're seeing -- directly from a member of masalit are ship. they're seeing the delay the hostage release, specifically because israel failed to abide by two or three specific points in their side of the deal. for one, they said that they did not allow the entry of the agreed upon a number of aid trucks into gaza. what they say is the agreed upon number was at least 200 a day. we did hear from the palestinian red crescent earlier, they are the organization that actually sort of receives and distributes this aid. yesterday, 196 trucks got into gaza. so that's, for less than what hamas says was the agreed upon amount. hamas is also saying that israel has not been releasing

palestinian prisoners, according to the agreed upon terms, which have to do with releasing first, those prisoners who had been imprisoned for the longest periods of time. we know, for example, that there is, i can tell you about one prisoner who has been israeli custody for over eight years, who was not released yesterday. and i can also tell you about prisoners who were released yesterday who were imprisoned for periods, in some cases, far shorter than that. i know directly about one, for example, that was an israeli custody for 11 months. importantly, alex, we have not yet heard from the israeli side. there is, however, supposed to be a press conference by an idf spokesperson in the next hour, actually, in the next 45 minutes or so. so, that will give us kind of the other half of this equation. it is very important the response that we are waiting to hear. in the meantime, though, this is an incredibly anxious moment. it's been an anxious anxious moment this whole time. you know, even when things were running more or less according to plan, it was understood to be very fragile, very fluid.

this is the first we are seeing things not going according to plan. so obviously, tensions are very, very high here in israel tonight. alex? >> listen, 100% fragile, food, there's a very apropos descriptions. can i just ask you quickly, david? the person that you know to have been held prisoner in israel for eight years versus the person of 11 months, do you know if there is a distinction between the reasons for which they are behind bars? >> yes, there is. so, some of the people, some of the prisoners in question were sentenced, convicted and sentenced for, in some cases, violent crimes. that -- attempted murder, right? in many other cases, people were being held without trial or even without charges. i can tell you that the person who is in for 11 months, we were told by their family, that this is a 17 year old boy who was arrested under what is called, in the context of israeli military, justice in

the occupied west bank, administrative detention, which is where they can hold someone, again, without charges. most of the people who are serving these longer sentences, again, those were sentences for convictions. years-long sentences for convictions. those were the people who are expected to be released yesterday and were not. alex? >> okay, david noriega, the report there from jerusalem, thank you so much for that. let's go from there to nbc's allie raffa, who's at the white house for us. a couple of things, ali. i know last hour, we had just gotten word about this delay in the release of these second days worth of hostages. have you heard anything officially from the white house? again, that had come in moments before we got to you. so, there was not time to do that and also, i'm curious what we're hearing about the president, about the role he is playing in this hostage release. >> yeah, alex, we reached out to white house officials as well as officials with the national security council about this statement by hamas, about the reasoning behind this delay of the release of this new batch of hostages. we have not received a response yet, that's something we're

continuing to follow up on. but as you can imagine, as you heard david talk about their, the fragility and the fluidity of this deal, that is something that the president and white house officials have talked about and underscored since this war began. and you can see how this latest development threatens that behind the scenes diplomatic relations, diplomatic communications that the president and senior administration officials have been working on for weeks now. the president yesterday, directly linking himself to this latest development, this deal that was struck between hamas and israel, and qatar, to release these hostages, saying that he had been in constant communication with the leaders of qatar, jordan, egypt, and israel, to be able to get this done. remember, we even saw, four weeks, that shuttle diplomacy by secretary of state antony blinken, to be able to facilitate this deal. listen to what the president had to say about that yesterday. >> from the moment hamas

kidnapped these people, i, along with my team, have worked around the clock to secure the release. i have consistently press for a pause in the fighting. for two reasons. to accelerate and expand humanitarian assistance going into gaza, and to, to facilitate the release of hostages. over the past several weeks, i've spoken repeatedly with the mayor of qatar, the president -- egypt, prime minister netanyahu of israel, to help secure this deal, to nail it down. i want to thank all three's leaders for their personal partnership to get this done. >> and alex, as we heard from the reporting about this statement, we don't know how long this pause is going to last. hamas did not indicate that in the latest statement. but as far as the release of american hostages, that's something that the president and white house officials have continued to say is their number one priority, and we heard the president be very honest with the american people in that speech yesterday, where he said, quote, we don't know what the list of all the hostages are and when they will

be released. but we know the numbers that are going to be released, referring to the notice that these different governments are given when hamas decides to release these batches of hostages. president biden, senior administration officials, say they continue to be hopeful that americans are among the hostages released as part of this multi-day cease-fire. at this point, we don't have any indication as to why americans would not be included in this released by hamas, considering the first hostages to be released by hamas were an american mother and daughter that were released two weeks after the war began. and a senior administration official this morning indicated hope that because of those two releases,that war would be on the way. secure the release of twodent american citizens as the pilot to this larger release of hostages. we are early in the process that we'll see at least 50 women and children released during the first phase of the agreement.

we are hopeful that will include three dual national wo and children who are american citizens. they go on to say that this is going to unfold over the coming days and they are not commenting on the individual hostage cases. obviously, this latest development, as far as the delay of that hostage release, potentially throwing a wrench into these plans. but we continue to monitor this and we know the president is doing so as well, from his nantucket home over the holiday. >> ali, i appreciate that very much. we believe three americans may be among these hostages released. to your point, there is no reason to expect that they will not be. so, that's what we're working with at the moment. thank you, ali. let's bring in martin fletcher, former nbc news tel aviv bureau chief and a good friend to us. martin, i know specifically what ali was reporting that those two americans that were released at the very start of all this, their relatives of yours. i'm going to ask you about them and how they're faring, in just a moment. but given your decades of experience covering the situations like this, what is

concerning the most, has hamas is telling nbc news what they're calling italy. what do you think is going on behind the scenes right now? >> well, i suppose that part of me psychological warfare by hamas against israel. in those numbers that even mentioned, are correct, and i assume they are, that only four track loads of goods were issued into gaza, for short of the goal. you know, that doesn't seem like a reason to stop the exchange. >> right? >> and the question of whether or not the hostages, or prisoners released by israel fix the deal that was made in terms of timing and how long they've been inside. again, it's not really a good reason to stop these extraordinarily important moments of swapping hostages in gaza for prisoners in israeli jails. so, presumably, it's a matter of pressure and also the question i suppose of the, you know, why were they not be releasing american hostages at this moment? would those three be included in this latest deal for today?

well, you know, there is a question of, because president biden has emphasized so strongly how important it is for him to release these three american hostages, in particular, the little child, well, you know, that gives him leverage over the united states. so, that may be part of the equation. i do not know. but it's certainly on past performance, possible that the moment hamas understands where the weak spot is of the opponent, that's how they've been dealing with israel for a very long time, that's the spot they go for. so, that could be part of the equation to. >> so, give me your sense of where this leaves the rest of this deal, what you think has to happen to get this thing back on track? >> well, i don't know, to be honest. hamas has to climb down from the tree they just put themselves on. we haven't heard a specific response yet, an official response yet from israel, about how they plan to react to this delay. but there were reports, unconfirmed reports, that security officials were saying two things.

one, that they are waiting to hear from instructions from the israeli government and to, that if the hostage exchange does not go ahead today, as planned by midnight, israel time, then israel would resume the fighting on the ground. so, that's also, you know, this is where this is going. if there is no solution today for what was planned to happen today, then israel will need to take the, draw the appropriate conclusion, which may be, well, okay, no deal, the work continues. >> oh boy. as you know, benjamin netanyahu says he's committed to the return of all the abductees. but i'm curious about the hamas side. where is the biggest risk? let me offer this. it was brought up in the show in the last hour. you may agree. i had ostapenko sheet or formerly with the fbi who worked in very tight situations, both in iraq and afghanistan, with release of hostages. and he said, as he was watching the israeli hostages being released, he was really concerned for their safety. he said, he felt like they were

sitting ducks for anybody, as they were being released. anybody could've done anything they wanted to. there was not some protective environment that they were released. is that something that bothers you? do you worry about that as well? >> personally, it's not my job to worry about, it but i think the people who should be concerned are very concerned. i mean, that's the weak point. that's the moment of where anything can go wrong. you know, driving in a couple of vehicles through the gaza strip, reaching the border with rafah, that's a very exposed situation. i mean, remember one thing. these hostages presumably are hidden in various places around the gaza strip. they need to be collected into one point, then they may need to drive from that point to the handover place, position on the border. that means they're very exposed during that entire period and that is one reason why at the beginning of this whole situation, and --

my editors were freed, there was also a pause, which israel said, we won't be bombing, there must of been an agreed upon exit route for the hostages to be taken along, that israel said, we are not bombing this area during this period. and so, that would've been an agreement reached between hamas and israel, through the interlocutors, america and qatar. but yeah, totally agree, the weak point is the movement of the hostages from one place to the other, anything can happen. >> yeah, absolutely. another one helping to further this along as egypt and the officials there say they are getting some strong signals that both sides might be open to extending this truce by at least one day, and then release even more than the agreed upon 50 hostages of palestinian prisoners in exchange. is that plausible to you, at this point? particularly taking into account the last hour and 15 minutes, when we saw this delay being officially recognized by hamas. >> yeah, no, i think it's very

possible. first of all, they said the idea of extending the pause by one day and releasing ten hostages during that day, then continuing that, i mean, that's very possible because, you know, everybody's interest is to do that, in one sense. but not militarily, i should add. israel once as many hostages out as they can get and hamas wants to extend the humanitarian pause as long as possible, because they're regrouping, they are re-arming, they are getting in contact with each other, restoring communications. militarily, the longer the pause goes on, the better it is for hamas and the worse it is for israel, because israel loses the pressure, the momentum they've been building up militarily. on the other hand, the -- israel because they get more hostages back. so, this can certainly go on for a few more days and it will be -- interest on both sides. remember one thing, 240 hostages is a lot for hamas to deal with. so, you know, the removing the

women, removing the children, removing the sick, elderly, this is good for hamas. they've still got 150 prisoners hostages so they can negotiate with. they are getting rid of the more vulnerable hostages. so, -- the longer it goes on, the better it is for hamas, militarily and partly in terms of the hostages it holds. but it's worse for israel militarily, but better in terms of getting more hostages. so, a complex situation that the united states, president biden is right on top of and i think both sides, hamas and israel, need american pressure to get this done and to finish with this issue, then to see what the future holds for both sides. >> yeah, i will ask you quickly how i guess is your wife's relatives, those two that were released who had one beautiful young lady, 17 years old, a mother and daughter. i think she was going to celebrate her 18th birthday and get home in time to do that. how are they doing? >> you know, i cannot answer, i don't know, they haven't spoken

to me outside of their immediate family. it's clear what is happening, they're just trying to deal with the traumatic experience they had. i'm sure we have no idea how traumatic it was. and so, what we can learn from judith and natalie is that the hostages, have they've been freed day-by-day, totally traumatized, it's going to be very difficult to express what their feelings are and to deal with them. they're going to be debrief by the military and the secret services immediately, but they are going to probably stay silent in the same way my family did. >> yeah, understandably so. -- love and hugs for their safe recovery from all of this. okay, martin fletcher, always love and hooks you, my friend, thank you. later on this hour, new twists in the legal battles of the former president. we are back in 60 seconds. dent we are back in 60 seconds. we are back in 60 seconds. r with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence. (vo) it's your vision, it's your verizon. the subway series is taking your favorite

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nbc's liz corps has the very latest on his condition. to you, liz. >> alex, a lot enforcement sources nbc news that derek chauvin was seriously injured after being stabbed at the medium security correctional facility. federal correctional facility, where he is at right now, in tucson, arizona. he was recently transferred there from a maximum security state prison in minnesota. now, the former minneapolis police officer who was convicted in the murder of george floyd remains hospitalized right now. his condition is not known. in a statement the bureau of prisons did confirm that an assault happened, although they did not name chauvin. they said this happened at 12:30 pm friday. the agency said employees performed lifesaving measures, before transferring the inmate to the hospital. now, this is the second attack on a high-profile inmate over the last five months. in july, the disgraced sports doctor, larry nassar, was stabbed multiple times by another inmate at the federal

prison in florida, where he is at. that person has a staffing shortage right now. the minnesota attorney general, keith ellison, responded to this attack on chauvin in a stement saying, he was saddened by the attack and that chauvin should be able to serve his sentence without fear of retaliation or violence. and interestingly, this incident does come after chauvin recently spoke out for a new documentary. he did a phone interview where he said that the whole trial was a sham, and he said he learned that -- restraint technique, it was a technique that he learned in police training. no word right now from chauvin's attorney. alex? >> okay, liz courts, thank you for that update. we've also have some breaking news out of the middle east. in just the last hour, hamas releasing a statement saying, it is delaying today's scheduled hostage release, claiming israel is in breach of the truce agreement, and as we await the freeing of more hostages on the second day of the pause, and is entering gaza by truck, we see some humanitarian aid there.

joining me is illinois congressman, jonathan jackson. member of the house foreign affairs and agriculture committees. congressman, welcome, sir. thank you for joining us. can i ask how much you are aware of the hostage deal? as it was being negotiated. the white house give foreign affairs and the committee any information? >> i certainly was not aware. we've got capable leadership and chairman mccaul, ranking member meeks, at my level -- i'm a freshman, 11 months into, is not giving any additional information. what i am very excited about is that during this period -- work with persons in the state department and in the foreign affairs committee to continue to help navigate persons that are in my district out of gaza and members in my district out of tel aviv, between this period. that's why i was the front and of asking for a cease-fire, so that we can elevate and prioritize getting the hostages

out, getting people returned to their families, and start the process of reconciliation immediately. >> a couple of things, though. let's talk about. does this first release give you hope for future negotiations? is this the optimum time to continue dealmaking, before both sides potentially pick back up fighting? and how much does this delay today, i mean, we already an hour and 20 minutes past the official wording for hamas. again, we are waiting for israel. a spokesperson from the idf to let us know how they are responding to the accusations by hamas. saying, this is why they are not releasing the scheduled hostages today. how much is this delay going to complicate things, for you? >> i don't think it complicates it at all. this is the beginning of planting the seeds for reconciliation. people are coming back, let's first celebrate the parties are getting together, not under the most ideal circumstances. ideally, there would've been no

blood loss, would've been no -- terrorist attack, we would be going through this. but since there has been, what time to be stop creating future extremists? all these children will now becoming orphaned by misguided missiles, misfires, people who are still being held hostage by hamas in palestine, in the gaza strip. people that the palestinians cannot get away from. 1 million and a half people have now lost their homes and are refugees. this is the biggest refugee crisis on earth right now. so, to the degree that we put an end and assist to that, we're now being able to reconcile people. we are not creating future generations of persons on both sides who have hatred for one another. so, for those that came out for a cease-fire, let's be clear, that cannot be misinterpreted and the words should not be misconstrued and say, that means israel is being defeated and you are pro-hamas, no, that's all wrong, and it shouldn't be taken to that level. this is a day of victory for those who are --

cease-fire, bringing people to the table. let's bring people home. now people are being united with family members, so -- getting into this war torn area that the water systems now have a chance to turn back on, so that people can get medical need and assistance in the hospitals, so that's what our -- plan has been all along and the only issue i have had is with the timing of it. on october night, after the october 7th, there was some overture that i saw in the media that was asking for the hostage exchange to begin then. we started talking then, i knew there was a lot of rage, a lot of anger, a lot of pain, that there was revenge and we should not write letters when we are angry. we should not make promises when we are too excited and there was a lot of anger. so, full speed ahead, eight weeks later, now we're back to what we should have been. i would've said eight weeks ago. >> congressman, let me ask you one more question about domestic politics here because i know that you are among the more than 200 democrats who

backed speaker johnson's bill to keep the government funded, into early next year. but as you know, we could still face shutdowns in january and or february. is there a red line for you in the next republican spending plan that you could not support? >> i would never say never. let's look at the greater good. people need social security checks, defense bills have to be agreed to. the, there is a war in ukraine that is continuing, there's israeli defense that is in that bill, this humanitarian assistance that is in that bill for, like, gaza. this is not something pretty, so no, i wouldn't say that there is a hard red line. of course, there's something i feel very, very strongly about. i do not want to see the budget balanced off the back of women and children. there seems to be a growing urgency and sense of targeting women and children, the

agriculture, that will be ferociously hand, tooth, and nail. but i do not want to see those extremists in the republican party that don't want to govern that are very much interested in shutting the government down, burning the house, burning the bridges, pulling up the letters, so no, i don't have that. i want to keep the government open. i want to make sure that america has its full faith and credit in our government and critically, that was the deal in may. and then the deal in september was whether or not we will keep tsa workers employed. so, i don't want to see the budget balanced on the back of poor people and working people. we need the security guards around the capitol every day. there are heightened security threats and we are talking about not paying them? that is insane. i mean, let's keep the country going. we can have respectful discourse, we can agree without being disagreed upon. >> well, it sounds to me, sir,

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the former president went on a vicious thanksgiving rant against those involved in the new york civil fraud trial. again, targeting the new york attorney general and baselessly accusing the judge and law clerk of political bias. well the comments cannot get him in trouble right now, on monday, a panel of experts, court judges, -- court judges, they will be deciding how far his attacks can go. and joining me now, hugo lowell, political investigations reporter for the guardian. hugo, welcome. you know, could trump's holiday rage post, could they get him into trouble? >> we it certainly will not help his case because he's trying to make the argument that, look, you know, there is no point to having a gag order because i should be able to criticize prosecutors, i should be able to criticize the civil fraud trial in general, and the case in general. but when he comes out and makes these kind of personal ad hominem attacks the judge in this case, justice -- and new york a.g., that's the sort of thing for judges will

go, you know, this is starting to get into a level of kind of personal targeting and potential intimidation, and that's the sort of thing judges don't kindly upon. so, i don't think this helps his case. if you want to continue having -- about the case in general. >> well, you know on wednesday, -- new york officials tesirine say the gagorder. a public safety official said that threats against that clerk, increased exponentially, after trump lsely claimed the clerk was in a relationship with senator uck schumer. i mean, what? the officials said the comments resulted in hundreds of threatening and harassing voice mail messages. they've been transcribed into over, listen to this, 275 single spaced pages. what more did we learn about the impact of trump's comments and how it actually could factor into an appeals court consideration of the gag order? >> yeah, this is really interesting. you know, this is the first time that we've had sort of a law enforcement designation that trump's tirades are

needing to direct impacts on his various civil and criminal cases. you know, this was submitted in the new york civil fraud trial and the determination of basically that there was a straight, direct line from what trump was posting to threats to justice -- 's floor clerk. but there is not enough right now a federal criminal case in washington and the federal january 6th case because prosecutors have submitted evidence of, you know, trump's direct line from threats to kind of action. in that case as well. and so, this could be really consequential in two of his most pressing cases, and i see the most pressing because the january 6th case is most likely to go to trial before the election, one legal experts that we speak to, so these are the two cases that have the most direct impact on him. >> okay, so while this gag order is playing out in new york, that fraud case is ongoing and this week, trump's former corporate controller and

the defendant in the case gave tearful testimony about why he no longer works for the trump organization. he also admitted on the stand that he wrote this, dj t, to get final review. that was on a draft of trump's net worth statement from 2014, which the attorney general alleges, rather, contained billions of dollars and exaggerations. why was his potential -- testimony so potentially damning? >> well, trump, for weeks, and his legal team four weeks have been making the case that, look, this was all at the hands of the attorney companies are at the hands of -- you know, trump was not directly involved in putting together the statements on financial conditions, which were then used to, you know, for instance, the favorable montes from -- bank, or elsewhere. but then for the first time, we have a witness who worked for trump and was deeply involved in the preparation on these -- conditions saying that trump was the ultimate sign off guy

and effectively lasered a trump's feud and says look, at the end of the day, trump had the option of going in and checking, and making sure that the figures were correct. the fact that he signed off on documents that were later found to be fraudulent is going to be a real problem for trump and it's going to be, i think, a major determining factor when the judge in this case decides how much damage is that trump has to pay because ultimately, what connie is saying is trump was responsible. >> yeah, let me ask you quickly about the other ruling on another gag order. this is the d.c. appeals court signaling it may narrow the scope of the judges order, banning trump from attacking witnesses, prosecutors, and the court general in the federal election case. here's a portion of the exchange with a three judge panel. take a listen. >> the order is unprecedented and it sets a terrible precedent for future restrictions on court and political speech. >> he's a high-profile public figure who posts lots and lots and lots of followers.

he's expressing his views as the first amendment allows. >> it's the shr mber of occurrences. >> it's not the rule of the government to dictate what topics are appropriate or necessary to discuss, in the context of a politica campaign. >> when the defendant -- inflammatory personal attacks on someone, there's a causal link between that person and then receiving harassment threats and intimidation. >> >> so, that last soundbite we played, is that the prevailing wisdom,? your sense from this appeals crew? these judges or not? >> yeah, i think so. i was in the courtroom, alex, for that hearing for the d.c. circuit and the major takeaway was there has to be some sort of protective order, some sort of gag order in place because, you know, these orders are supposed to be -- here is supposed to prevent witnesses from being intimidated and so, you know, if you go by trump's argument, which is we should only enter a protective order after there's evidence that a witness has

been intimidated, well at that point, you've already lost the battle. so, i think there will be some gag order that's remained, that will remain in place. but what was really interesting was at least two other circuit judges on that panel basically decided or seemed to indicate that they would decide that trump should be allowed to criticize prosecutors. you know, there was one exchange where patricia mullet said, well, you know, the special counsel should have thicker skin and if trump is going off the special counsel by name, you know, is that really going to make a difference in the case? he already has a protective detail and so, that seemed to be some indication that this order might be -- back to the district court with instructions to amend the order, potentially to narrow the scope of what trump's gag about, talking about and, for instance, naming prosecutors. >> okay, hugo lowell. as always, many thanks, my friend, appreciated. coming up next, we will talk about the cease-fire in the middle east and whether it'll hold, especially in light of breaking developments today. today.

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with some live pictures right now from tel aviv, as families are demanding hamas released more hostages, but the militant group is delaying the release that was expected today. as we are rapidly approaching nine pm there, hamas claiming that israel is failing to uphold its side of the cease-fire deal and israel, vowing to resume its military operation in gaza when the four-day pause and fighting ends early tuesday morning. joining right now, retired four star general, msnbc military analyst, our good friend, general barry mccaffrey. general, welcome, sir. as we await the release of more hostages, we hope, -- we got three hours and 19 minutes until the end of the day. have not seen the release yet today. israel says that the war is going to continue as planned once the cease-fire ends. what is your assessment, sir, of israel's military efforts so far? do you think this pause will hold, given this news today? and ultimately, what is

israel's top objective infighting when fighting resumes? >> well, martin fletcher said it all. i thought he was entirely on target. hamas has one objective, which is to prolong and then make permanent the cease-fire. israel has one overriding objective, which is trying to recover as many of the hostages as possible. i think the israelis understand they will never get back the military hostages hamas has without further military action and probably won't get back all the civilians. that's the trump card for hamas to try and keep the renewal of israel, israel's ground attack. my guess is the truce will fail, israel will have to use military force at some point to jog hamas into releasing more.

so, this is not going to be a pretty picture. you had an earlier interview with the wonderful congressman who talked about reconciliation. which i thought was way off mark. there will be no reconciliation. hamas is a terrorist. organization who declares their intent on eliminating israel. and israel can't possibly forget the slaughter of hundreds of hundreds of innocent civilians for the next hundred years. so, this is a bitter situation. we should not expect anything but trouble ahead. >> would you be surprised, sir, if there was a break today? i mean, do you think that this pause could be on the brink of rupturing? or do you think because they're a few more days to work this out, any sort of military action between the two would be stifled, at least until then? >> i think the idea will be

very reluctant to pick up the attack in the immediate future. i mean, they've got families in israel that are desperate to recover loved ones. so, this is just a callous, manipulation of his really public opinion to put pressure on netanyahu. by the way, president biden has inserted himself in this war now. he has made it his public political objective to recover not just americans, but to prolong the peaceful negotiation of the two sides. so, we are in a very difficult period. but in the short run, probably these rallies will talk, they will want to get back more of these women and infants, children,. hamas does not care about these convicted terrorists, women and young adults, who are either in detention or have been convicted or murder of attempted murder. so, what's at stake again is prolong the pause on the part of hamas and a part of israel, get back infants, children,

women. >> we did learn, from peter baker of the new york times in the last hour, sir, that among the difficult phone calls that the president had to make was essentially telling a mediator, if you will, in the qataris that even the hamas was asking for five days of a pause that israel was only willing to give for. would that be directly as a result of the concern of hamas trying to regroup, reorganize, dig themselves into other civilian arenas? and israel just said, can't tolerate that? >> well, i think hamas, wherever the line is, is trying to prolong it and then make it permanent. so, four days, five days, made no difference whatsoever. could've been ten days. hamas right now is trying to recover their chain of command. i think the israelis busted them up very seriously, killed a lot of them, severed their communications, so hamas needs time to try and reorganize.

the longer they get, the better off they are. at some point, this truce is going to fail, in my judgment, the israelis will have to go back to taking military action. but you notice hamas is talking about a failure to get 200 trucks of humanitarian aid in. they're 196 game in. hamas is trying to encourage the gazan civilians to go back in the north of gaza. so, it's a manipulation of the situation. hamas knew full well on the 7th of october that the israelis would have to respond and would be fighting an intensely populated urban area. they did that anyway, so hamas set in october, brought this hurt upon their own people. >> general barry mccaffrey, always great, very conversation -- i'm grateful for it nonetheless. thank you, sir. so, it's not what you want to hear, but it's what you need to hear, if you are hitting the road this weekend. road this weekend. >> you went a bit...

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expect, us storm -- through the u.s. just says holiday travelers are heading home. forecasters expect delays as snow is falling in the central plains tonight into tomorrow. this comes as tsa predicts the highest number of flyers ever tomorrow. but for those choosing driving over flying, good news because gas prices are down 32 cents compared to this time last year. also new today, black friday shoppers spent a record 9.2 billion dollars according to some new numbers that were just an. so, we've got to reporters covering buddies of deals. we have nbc's brian chan, who's in new jersey for us. but we will begin with nbc's george scalise in philadelphia. george, let's talk about this. the in-person shopping. how is that doing a day after black friday? >> hey, alex, it's very much still in full swing. granted, black friday may no longer be that spectacle that we are used to. people can't be out days ahead of the actual shopping event and really, really long lines. but make no mistake, people are

still going to big box stores and spending lots of money. the national retail federation, expecting about 130 million that was spent coast to coast within the black friday holiday window. and yes, shoppers are getting their door busters, their bargain deals. something that we caught up here say they want to make sure they got their early. this store here in philadelphia six a.m. for those people that wanted to get a head start on that in-store shopping experience. they are excited, they want to spend the money, and they have a long list of items for those loved ones. take a listen. >> generally, walmart because right here. you pick it up, it's in your hands, you don't have to wait for a delivery, you don't have to be home for a delivery, right in your hands. because it's right there, it's in your hands, you don't have to wait for a delivery. porch pirates, things like that. it's in your hands. it's keyhole. >> yeah, certainly a lot of people so enjoy the in-person shopping experience. they feel they can touch the thing, it's tangible, they don't have to wait.

as -- mentioned, no fear of it being stolen, but no doubt, obviously, that with the amount of money that's projected to be spent, a lot of people are still using black friday and taking full advantage of these deals. >> okay, well, those happy shoppers out there, you're following it for us. thank you so much for that, george scalise. so, black friday may have officially ended. but the annual small business saturday, that's just beginning on this saturday. and receives bryan chong is joining us now. so, as i welcome you, ryan, tell us how important today is for small businesses. >> yeah, well, we are in the frozen -- really busy shopping weekend. when it comes saturday, the day after black friday, it's really a celebration of small businesses. now, just some fast facts about smal business saturday. it began in 2010 by american express which was signed off by small business administration in 2011. it really celebrates the 33 million small businesses that are out there. what's more, 55% of small businesses say that they anticipate their profit will go to overall holiday revenue and they expect spending to be up 42% over last year for those

small businesses. so, it's very big and very important, especially when you consider $1 spent at a small business is $1 spent in your community. so, certainly something that's very important on the shopping weekend. >> yeah, 100%. for sure. we also saw was it adobe analytics report that happened just last few hours? some kind of a new record for online sales. what more can you tell us about that, ian? >> yeah, well the consumer 70% of the economy and we got some early data showing us what black friday looked like. adobe analytics saying these are online numbers, to be fair. 9.8 billion dollars spent, a lot of interest in specifically tvs, smart watches, audio equipment as well. but that figure is 7.5% higher than this timeast year. so, that points to a pretty strong shopping season. now, we've been out here at the mall in new jersey to still see plenty of foot traffic. you know, andrés the day after black friday. we were at another mall in long island yesterday, it was popping. so, if people were out, there they are spending.

for those that aren't spending, though, maybe trying to soak in a little bit of the atmosphere because inflation so means that prices are 32 point higher this year in this time last year. that's pinching some american wallets in addition to that, alex, interest rates on credit cards, almost 25%. so, those racking up charges on your cards, make sure you're paying them off on time. >> that's absolutely brutal, that interest rate. can i ask you quickly in terms of the rise of online shopping, i remember when it was first, because i've been doing this along time. when it was first happening it was like, wow. but, you know, with a brick and mortar stores still -- how they compare now, these days? >> yeah, we were asking a lot of people that at the mall today and yesterday. i mean, you can do all of this stuff from the comfort of your couch, if you decide to brave the traffic, brave the parking lots to come to the mall. people are telling us look, it's about the festivities of, it trying to get the atmosphere, but then also have the things in person like the person that george spoke with. so, it seems like the in-store -- still very much alive. but it is -- you don't have to go out on friday anymore. you can still do shop against

for the rest of the shopping online. >> i'm so glad people are not leaving thanksgiving dinner and coming out all night outside of best buy. that's how long i've been doing this. i remember those days, brian shunk, thank you so much. and that's going to do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i will see you again tomorrow at one pm eastern. my friend richard louis continues our coverage. end richard loui continues our coverage continues our coverage rtner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence. (vo) it's your vision, it's your verizon. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. and goodft