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>> we are following the breaking news out of israel, the third day of hostage release this brings the first american to be freed as part of this deal. four year old abigail moore was taken by hamas after they killed her parents. president biden took to the podium a short time ago to share the good news. >> a little girl named abigail turned four years old. she spent that birthday and at least 50 days before that held hostage by hamas. today, she is free. >> it comes as we are getting new videos of the emotional reunions happening between those who have already been freed and the families who have been desperately hoping for

these moments to happen. meanwhile, in gaza, more aid is arriving during this pause on the israeli offensive as humanitarian groups rushed to take advantage of this time and prepare for the resumption of more bombing. all of that, and we are also covering other news today. tough weather makes it rough, going for some of the millions hitting the roads and skies. this is part of one of the busiest travel days of the year. tomorrow, that is a big day for donald trump as a judge in washington, d.c. considers whether to muzzle the former president. we're going to have that story coming up for you as well. we're going to start this hour with the latest on that breaking news with the 17 hostages freed by hamas. this was an exchange for 39 prisoners held by israel. all of this is unfolding just over the last hours. this is a very big moment. as we have mentioned, the first american has been released from hamas captivity during this start of the four-day truce agreement. just four years old, she celebrated her birthday on

friday. joining me now, keir simmons, nbc news chief international correspondent. what a story for this little girl. what more can you tell us about this third prisoner and hostage exchange as well from both sides, especially when it comes to the release of the four-year-old american? >> of course, alex. all eyes are on her and how she is doing. i actually spoke to her great aunt a few days ago. it's impossible to imagine the feelings that must be in that family right now. of course, remember that her parents were kille during the september 11th terror attacks. it's going to be bittersweet. we actually don't know very ch right now about how she is doing or what she is saying or she's only four years old. we do know that the israeli hostages are now in israel. those who are older are being questioned and talked to by

israeli officials. we are seeing this day after day. they want to get as much information as they can about what is happening in gaza and try to gain any intelligence they can. there's an 84-year-old who has gone to the hospital. we will wait to hear about her condition. in terms of the other hostages, abigail is actually one of two. there were four. there were 38 year old and a family of four, extraordinary stories about how all of them are making their way out, stories of their lives coming out now, grandparents, people who have had such full lives before they were taken hostage are now turning to their es. we are hearing news of 39 palestinians being released frson in israel. we have seen some images suggesting they are waiting for them.

they are heading back to the west bank. >> you mentioned that other four-year-old. we believe that abigail may have been held with that little four-year-old. they were released along with two older siblings and one parent. it's extraordinary. as you know, after having watched her parents be murdered, her two brothers were able to successfully hide. she just totaled away from that horrible scene, was taken and by the family, and then they were all kidnapped together. they were perhaps all held together and that parent was able to put their arms around abigail during these horrific, horrific days in captivity. let me ask you about the situation as more hostages are being released. the pause in fighting between hamas and israel, that has held up for the third day. we know the idf just held a press conference in the last hour. what are we learning about today? what is expected in the future? >> well, the israeli defense

forces are saying that they are prepared to go back to war and renew the fighting. they would obviously say that. we are also hearing in an interview with the qatari prime minister with the financial times tonight that the qatari prime minister here in doha is saying that some of the issues will depend on whether hamas has been able to find more of the hostages that we have been told over these past weeks are being held by other groups. that is clearly a strong appetite for this pause to be extended with potentially more hostages for each day of the extension of these pauses. remember that the reporting has been, alex, that there have been ten americans who have been held hostage. there were some suggestions over the release of 50 over these days. there would be three now.

we have now seen abigail. there was a potential prospect for three americans tobe released. that leaves seven. it's fascinating and kind of heartwarming tohear many of these families when they get their loved ones back saying they are celebrating but not really celebrating until everyone is home. that's going to take some time. diplomacy is underway right now to see whether these pauses can be extended and if there can be more of this in the coming weeks. >> the prevailing thought, bring everyone home. it seems everybody wants that, including you, including me, including all of the viewers. thank you so much. president biden is reacting this afternoon to the release of that four-year-old, the first american to be freed by hamas under this particular deal. nbc news white house correspondent allie raffa joins me for the day. what was the president's message? >> yeah, alex. this was clearly a very relieved president biden speaking from nantucket before

he returned peanut to the white house. this was a president who is also keenly aware of the challenges which continue as this deal researches its and. as you mention, he talked about four year old abigail, the first american to be released by hamas since the cease-fire was reached. he talked about her experience on october 7th whenher mother and father were killed, calling her experience unthinkable. he said he had no information on her physical condition at the time. io on herhe says he wishes he was,, there to hold her. take a listen to more of his comments about abigail. >> what she endured is unthinkable. abigail was among 13 hostages released today from gaza under the brokered and sustained though intensive u.s. diplomacy. we continue to press and expect additional americans to be released as well. we will not stop working until

every hostages returned to their loved ones. >> the president gave more details about that work that he just mentioned to get more americans, all americans out of gaza who are being held by hamas. he talked about his personal and direct involvement, this constant communication with the leaders of qatar, jordan, egypt, and israel, saying he was set to speak with prime minister netanyahu at some point today. he made a point to mention the ongoing work to get those remaining americans out of gaza, saying that this work continues. he talked about how he is in favor of extending the cease-fire as long as americans and other hostages continue to be released and as long as prisoners continue to be released from israel. he said that he would like to see that as soon as possible. that's something that national security adviser jake sullivan was asked about on the sunday show, what the chances are that we could see the cease-fire

that is set to extend tomorrow to get more hostages out. he said israel has laid out its cards, it is willing to be able to do that, but the ball is now in the court of hamas. >> allie raffa from the white house, thank you for that. joining me now is christopher o'leary who served as the director of hostage recovery for the u.s. government. as i welcome you, this is nly lcome news, the release of this american, four year old abigail it on, who everyone was hoping would be the first one released in this particular deal. it's a big moment. how important is it for the president to show the importance of this deal, the success of it, but the messaging that is being transported around the world about it. how important is that? >> it's a time for celebration for sure. i think it's also important to demonstrate that the united states wants israel to show restraint to go through with the rest of the negotiated deal that we have done with qatar and egypt. that is the right approach to

get some additional hostages released in the short term here. some consideration for extending it a few more days, it's going to be difficult to extended past that. hamas conducted a horrific terrorist attack in israel just six weeks ago and, put in terms that americans can relate to, think about six weeks or eight weeks after september 11th. there was some pushback on the united states and a desire for us to halt any invasion into afghanistan. we probably would have largely ignored anyone's input at that point. >> it's interesting you put it that way. i think a lot of people might not be looking at it that way, but you make a very good point. give me a sense of how negotiators can keep this going beyond a day or two. is it even possible to expect that all hostages could be let

out in the relatively near future? is that an impossibility? >> my opinion is that it is an impossibility. even for americans, we had a teenager who graduated high school just this past spring and went to serve in the idf. he's an american citizen who won't get released in this short term truths, nor will hersh goldberg coleman. he lost part of his arm in the initial assault on october 7th. the women and 51 children who are coming out, if we extend it could get some elderly people oreoe who are sick with medical conditionsor people ke rsh goldberg. that would be great. beyondthat, israeli citizens, especially israeli male citizensis could be

a long term issue. hamas is planning on that. >> give me a sense of what these freed hostages could be going through. neil greenberg is a psychiatry wrist and hostage esper. he told nbc news this when it comes to how they might be feeling. here is the quote. we often talk about having them gone through something like a pendulum of experiences. on one hand, they have this great euphoria that they had been released and reunited with their friends and loved ones. on the other hand, you have an incredibly stressful environment where people are asking questions all the time. what is this process like of trying to heal and readjust after being held hostage? >> i can speak about the process we do with the united states. it's choreographed and well rehearsed and based on empirical data, how to integrate hostages back into society. it's almost treating the children in some ways like they

were victims of a sexual assault. there is a team of professionals who will do this the entire way. they will also shield these victims from the insult of the public. they need time to reintegrate. if the american hostages choose to come back to the united states, they will be put in what we call a peace process which is post isolation support activity. they will be taken to a military base in germany or other designated places. they will be there for as long as it takes to get them in a place where we can bring them back to the united states. all the while, they will be mentored and supportive, as well their family. i will throw one more thing out there. this is not been widely talked about. all of these american victims,

including abigail, will eventually be questioned by the fbi. her parents were murdered by a terrorist organization. we will seek to identify who did that, bring charges against them, the interpol system, and first long as it takes the fbi will pursue them and eventually bring them back to the united states to face justice. >> that is what they should, but how difficult to have to question this little girl about what she witnessed having seen her parents murdered in front of her eyes. christopher leary, thank you so much for the conversation. coming up in just 60 seconds, aid trucks pouring into gaza during this pause in the israeli offensive. we're going to see how humanitarian groups are using this time. later on this hour, a crucial court date for donald trump tomorrow involving efforts to keep him quiet. involving efforts t keep him quiet

>> with the pause in fighting between israel and hamas on its third day, right now, over 200

aid trucks, the largest number since the start of the war, are making their way into northern gaza under the protection of -- i want to bring in avril benoit, the executive director of doctors without borders. what is your organization been able to accomplish in this pause? how have your colleagues on the ground taken advantage of the three-day stretch? >> thank you for having me. like everyone, we are hoping that a pause becomes an actual cease-fire. to be perfectly honest, there is very little you can really accomplish given the scale of the needs. we've had so many weeks of a total siege with just a trickle of trucks coming in to deliver aid. from a medical perspective, as you know, the hospitals are actually overflowing with people with quite catastrophic injuries, even just to evacuate from the hospital after you receive these notifications of a few hours or even a couple of days. it's not enough to move someone,

let alone a full hospital full of people who are experiencing such severe orthopedic injuries. maybe they are interaction. maybe they are hooked up to machines. maybe they are in integrators. that that takes days to organize properly. as much as we are appreciating all of the effort that went into achieving this pause and the arrangements to bring in a few more trucks, it is not nearly enough. what we really need is a cease-fire. >> what you are saying is that you have been able to make some progress, but not nearly enough. as you all know, time is winding down on the pause. it's it's set to expire on tuesday. how does doctors without borders return to the fighting? >> it's a horrific thought that when this pause and people will once again be subjected to what appears to all outside onlookers as collective punishment, these

indiscriminate attacks which are killing so many civilians, notably women and children, as has been reported. one of the things we are really advocating for is to stop the killing to allow more aid to come in and also to facilitate more medical evacuations to third countries through the rafah crossing, whatever it is. there are a lot of people who really need long term care. they need much more advanced surgery than can be achieved under the circumstances of these hospitals which are still being subjected to a lot of violence all around them. ambulances need to be able to circulate. that's one of the super complex things here. with the lack of fuel, the movement of ambulances, they have -- it has become very difficult for the community to have any assurance when they do transfer patients, when they try to bring patients in, that those ambulances won't be attacked. we are hoping that we will be

able to facilitate more medical evacuations from gaza. >> as you know, tragically, doctors without borders has boots on the ground and all three of the northern major hospitals in gaza. two doctors were killed or five days ago. without -- the al-shifa hospital has seen some of the fighting. what do you want people to know about the two doctors whose lives were lost? >> well, it is a horrific thought to think that they were staying behind to treat patients that they did not think could be safely moves. the floor that they were on, the two floors of the hospital were taken out. these are people who have taken enormous personal risks to stay behind and they were killed. for all of the staff that we have who have tried to volunteer here, the others who are working in a more coordinated fashion supporting

facilities in the south, we worry every day that they will not be protected as they should be under international humanitarian law. medical facilities, patients, medical staff are to be protected in these situations. that's one of the things that we have been calling for in addition to just stopping the killing. the entire humanitarian community is quite unified on that score. we need a cease-fire to really be able to stop all of this suffering, bring in more aid, and then, as i mentioned before, have the ability for people who want to leave gaza, whether medivac or otherwise, to be able to do so in safety with the right of return with no prejudice. >> executive director of doctors without borders, avril benoit, thank you so much for your time. best of luck to you and your organization. we are continuing to follow the very latest on the release of more hostages from gaza.

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in the third day of hostage releases. you can see ramallah in west bank on one side. that is where residents are gathering for the arrival of free palestinian prisoners. on the right side, that's the schneider's children center outside of tel aviv. that is where we are expecting some released ostrich is today to be taken. today's release of hostages by hamas marked a major milestone. four-year-old's bail -- fried entered over to the red cross. today, a total of 17 hostages were released, including three israelis, three anti nationa, and one russian national. that includes, like mtioned, this four-year-old precious angel abigail who celebrat her birthday on friday in captivity and consistent with the last two days 39 paleinian prisoners were released by israel in exchange. in total, over the three days, we have seen 39 israe hostages released along with those 17 tie nationals, one filipino national, and that won a russian national that i

ntned being released today. this exchange, israel has released 117 palestinian prisoners, largely women and teenagers. we have this touching video. it shows irish israeli child emily han being reunited with her father after being released yesterday. emily spent her ninth birthday in captivity. she was initially reported to be among the dead before it was revealed she was taken by hamas. among the hostages released on friday at were ten ty nationals. before the release, jay gray spokwith the family of one of those hostages along with another family as they were awaiting the return of their loved one. let's take a look at that. >> reporter: coming home for the last time. >> translator: i am very said, so said that i don't want to do anything. i think that my son's time in

this world is up. >> reporter: his family's world shattered. on october 7th, he was working as a farmhand and he kibbutz near the gaza border. as hamas terrorists stormed in -- >> translator: i heard the news about the attack and my heart was broken. i kept calling my son and he did not pick up the phone. >> reporter: for four and a half years, she worked on a chicken farm, sending most of the money back to his family in thailand, funds they used to build a house and buy a tractor. >> translator: he did not even get to touch them. >> reporter: he also helped pay for upkeep on the family rice farm. >> translator: i am sad and i cry. i don't know what to do. when i walk along this rice paddy, i don't know what to do. >> reporter: according to the family, his plan was to come home and work the land so his parents could rest as they get older. there is no rest, no relief

from their overwhelming loss. in a village just 50 miles away, there is another vacant house. >> translator: hope crumbles and my heart is about to shatter. i see his house. i don't want to come and see it anymore. >> reporter: he's been building this dream house for his son. he paid for materials with money earn from two years of work in israel's avocado fields. he has been missing since the attacks. >> translator: i want to cry. what i see his photo, i want to cry. i could not speak. i just want you cry. >> reporter: thai officials believe he is one of more than 20 thai laborers being held hostage in gaza. >> translator: our family will be broken. we can't eat. we can't sleep. please tell hamas to release my son. i think my son is not wrong. please tell israel to help get my son back safely. >> reporter: they say until

then his home and their hearts will stay empty. >> our thanks to jay gray who we should note conducted those interviews just before this weekend's hostage release is that did indeed include one of the missing thai nationals. president biden spoke today after the first truce was released by hamas. he said the pause in fighting is a success, adding that ongoing conversations with israel, egypt, and other leaders in the region are focused on extending that truce and getting critical aid into gaza. >> war is needed. this deal is delivering lifesaving results. critically needed aid is going in and hostages are going out. that is my goal. that is our goal, to keep this pause going to be on tomorrow. >> joining me is former congresswoman from maryland donna edwards. as i welcome you on this

holiday weekend, look, lots to celebrate in terms of the release of these four year old abigail. it's without reservation good news for everyone. how do you see it impacting the perception of the israel-hamas war? >> i do think that from the beginning the messaging coming out of the white house and the president was far too embracing of the netanyahu government. let's keep that distinct from the brutal attack that hamas levied on the israeli people to its citizens. look, i think that this has really been a difficult one for the administration. over several weeks, i think that the president has done far more to, in addition to privately and someone publicly putting pressure on the netanyahu government, also has expressed concern for the loss

of civilian life. that is the thousands of palestinian civilians who have been lost. i think that that is a more positive step forward for the administration to be a better broker in all of this process. i think this president was really built for this moment in terms of his ability to conduct diplomacy. there is still so much more work to be done both in terms of releasing hostages but also getting to the day after all of this so that we can really move forward on a two-state solution. >> look, this point was made to me by christopher o'leary, the former director of the united states government for the release of hostages. he said the question is, how much can president do in terms of influencing benjamin netanyahu to scale back a bit? he made the analogy, can you imagine if six weeks,

approximately where we are now since the october 7th terrorist attack in israel, if in the wake of 9/11 the united states government had been advised by others to scale back? what would our reaction have been? >> you know, i'm not sure that that is a proper analogy. one of the reasons is because i think no one is questioning or if you are questioning the right of israel to respond to the horrific attack on its land. no one is pushing that. the question is about proportionality. the question is about the aggressive response of israel which has resulted in such huge loss of civilian life, women and children in gaza, so i do think that there is pressure that the president can put on netanyahu and on the netanyahu government. the fact is that president

biden, i think, is far more influential in this entire process of what happens next. i would like to see the president create a little bit more daylight between himself and netanyahu to be able to influence what happens next. this pause is really good for all parties, especially for civilians and for the continued release of hostages. the president of the united states, joe biden, really has the upper hand here. he needs to use it more strenuously on the netanyahu government. there are things that, for example, the government of israel can do to stop the settler violence on the west bank. there are things that the administration can do in terms of pushing netanyahu to be more targeted in its approach to

this war. this loss of civilian life, not only is it causing division here in the united states, but really around the world. >> the brutality of it is just terrific. former congresswoman from maryland donna edwards, thank you so much for your time with me. we appreciate that. coming up in the next, our foreign affairs committee member sydney cal mccord of is going to join us to talk about the prospects for an israel aid package. up next, the mad rush is on to get home after the holiday. we have a live report on what to watch out for as millions are heading to the airport and hitting the road. that is next. and hitting the road that is next >> i saw some detour signs. >> i didn't see any. >> i saw them when you and -- >> they put a big signs, like this one. [screaming] >> ♪ ♪ ♪ [screaming] >> ♪ ♪ ♪ he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me?

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>> reporter: it's looking really good. people here have a lot to be thankful for. maybe a couple days after thanksgiving, but that is kind of what we are hearing across the board here at bwi and kind of across the board in most places unless you are in chicago. if you look at flightaware's misery map, if you will, attracts the cancellations and delays around the country, we know that chicago's o'hare airport is leading the front on that map right there. they have about 100 of the roughly 600 delays we are seeing. when we talk about the numbers here, the prections from tsa, it could be a whole t worse. they've seen seven out of ten of its busiest travel days on record. in terms of what we are expecting to see today, 3 million peoplecreened, that's according to tsa. that is expected to surpass the record set this summer. we spoke to people who came here to be w.y. expecting the worse and hoping for the best. take a listen. >> we were just making sure we got here early because we

didn't know if it was going to be crowded, was it not going to be crowded. but everything worked out. so right now, anxiety is very low, which is a good thing. we are very ready to get back. >> i was expecting much longer lines, the drop off or departures took about 15 minutes. i was expecting 45. so, far it's been really easy. hopefully we'll be the same on our end in houston. >> reporter: now, i did just speak to an expert between the last time i spoke to you, alex, and now. they said part of this has to do with staffing. there were staffing changes made, we between last year and this one. we know how chaotic this past year has been, the past year and a half has been for air travel. we've been at this very airport talking about that almost this time last year. i think that there is staffing to be considered but also whether. as a whole, the weather is not as bad as it could have been. yes, we are seeing pockets of snow showers today and some rain in the northeast so keep in mind that in terms of peak,

they typically happens after three pm. there is still time to see how things change. atlanta's peak time is typically between five pm and nine pm, we typically have not seen the rest of it -- of course, weather could change things. we will keep you updated. >> come on. everything was looking so good and now i'm, like maybe not. we kept your little longer. all right, marissa. thank you so much for that. meantime, for all of you, we will show you life in terms of ramallah right now. that's where crowds are gathered to greet released palestinian prisoners. you can see that happening right there. fried israeli hostages also expected to arrive shortly at a hospital in tel aviv. we will have all the latest on this coming up for you. straight ahead, former president trump could soon be back under a gag order in his civil fraud trial. that'll happen tomorrow. former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade joins me next with why she thinks the court may and should gag away. it may be time to see the bigger picture.

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panel of appeals court judges will consider whether to reinstate a gag order against former president trump that has been temporarily pausedin this new york civil trial fraud. it comes as a new court filing by the states lawyers detailed hundreds of harassing, threatening, and sometimes judge engoron and his locklear. the filing says the threats require the public safety dertnts judicial threats assessment unit to constantly

reassess and reevaluate the security protections put in place to ensure the safety of the judge and those around him, and -- threats were included in that filing. joining me now, nbc legal analyst former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. od tsee you, barb. look, just hours after that filing, donald trump posted a thangiving post on truth social, where he ued his attacks on judge engoron, hurlock lurked, also the general -- calling engoron psycho, the new yo. racist and by side and tells him what to do. how much do you think the appellate court is going to take all of this into account tomorrow? >> i think they should file the wise old outage that when someone shows you who they are, you should believe them. i think it matters. i think donald trump has demonstrated that he will push the limits as absolutely far as he can and then a little bit

more. and so, i think that this was a very powerful filing. there is sometimes a temptation to think of threats and harassment as theoretical and maybe dangerous. but to see these words and to realize how disruptive this is to the business of the court, and the individuals involved, getting phone calls, there is a real danger here unless the court stepson. >> okay. that is the new york case. as you know, the doj is using that evidence from the new york filing to argue as to why a gag order should remain in their d.c. federal case. trump's lawyers responded they believe that evidence is irrelevant because it has to do with h civil fraud trial. but here is what you tweeted. let's show viewers. and you said that as every law student learns, arguments are one and lost in the framing. trump lawyers misleadingly framedhe courts gag order in terms of criminal laws against fr speech, generally. that is not the context here, which is a pending criminal case. the court may and should gag away. walk us through what you mean

there. >> yeah, so, there is an -- situation. we all enjoy first amendment rights, free speech rights, and only in rare circumstances can those rights be limited. but one of those limitations is when you are in the context of a criminal case. because they are there are other issues in play. and there is the integrity of the case, protecting the jury pool, ensuring a fair trial. and then the safety of the witnesses and the participants. it isn't like we are operating in a world at large. it is the way the lawyers are framing, this talking about this core political speech. instead, we are in a very narrow world of a criminal case. and there, a judge has not just a right but a duty to protect the integrity of the proceedings. and so, i think this is not a hard question the air should be a gag order here. the only question is how broad or how narrow should it be? that's what the court will wrestle with. i also think that these filings from new york are incredibly

relevant here for the same reason we just discussed. this is not a speculative harm. when donald trump says these kinds of things about people, there are all kinds of other supporters who will lash out and engage in threats, harassment, maybe even physical danger. i think they are showing that as evidence of the kind of thing that can happen when donald trump is and muzzled. >> another aspect of cause and effect, here do you think trump actually wants a gag order to allow him to then continue claiming i'm the victim of persecution and all your efforts to take away my freedom of speech -- because it is something, as you know, he fund races off of all the time and uses it to while up his supporters. >> yes, i do. playing the victim is always part of his strategy. and they are out to get you and i am here for you and i am standing in their way. that is a big part of the game here. yes, i think he's going to bait just as much as he can. i think he knows he has a long leash because the judges are going to be loathe to do the

ultimate penalty, which is to jail him to stop him from talking. it could happen, but i imagine the very elected to do that and i think he knows it and is exploiting that opportunity. >> most think it is a snowball's chance of you know where, do you agree with that? >> yes i do. >> we will leave out that word, but thank you barbara quaid, good to see you, thanks. >> we've got a lot more coming, up you're watching msnbc. our second hour starts right now. a big welcome to all of you. i'm alex witt in for alex vossoughian on sunday. we are live in israel with the latest on a big day in the release of hostages held stage is held by hamas. american abigail moore adana meng those now freed from captivity after her fourth birthday and after being held for close to two months since the murder of her parents, which she witnessed on october 7th. president biden has been a driving force behind getting this deal done and today expressed hope that more americans will be released s