why would it do that? it was getting paid off so well, and all these gazans were making such good israeli salaries, why would it do that? there are all these other considerations that go into estimating whether a report like that is true. be but as much as i'm disturb ed by the fact this report was not taken seriously, why was it leaked right now. someone made a point of giving to the "new york times" what is clearly a highly classified document. to my mind that seems part of this fight that's going to start evolving about who's responsible, whether it was the government or the military, and you've heard how recently -- or not too long ago, benjamin netanyahu came out and said, well, i didn't know about this. the military and the intelligence assured me that everything was okay, and then he quickly apologized for it but it was sort of like revealing what was going to come down the line. we've been through this movie

before, after 1973 and the yom kippur with the army and the government exchanged very similar accusations. >> well, we're going to have to leave it there. i'm so sorry we're out of time, michael, but we will discuss. >> always good to be with you. >> thank you so much. and yasmin vossoughian picks up right now for chris jansing. hi, everybody, good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for chris jansing. he went out as a member of congress. he went out in infamy. george santos expelled in an historic vote just hours ago. where does that leave republicans and then new yorkers in his district. we're live on capitol hill for that conversation. israel resuming an all-out assault on gaza launching hundreds of attacks on land from air and sea. plus, the new report raising questions about what israel knew about hamas's plans more than,

get this, a year ahead of time. and then remembering the first woman ever to serve on the supreme court. we're going to honor the life of sandra day o'connor, how she changed the court and the country forever. and even more breaking news we're following this hour, a major ruling involving former president donald trump in the january 6th insurrection, a d.c. court ruling he can be sued for civil liability. we want to begin, though, on capitol hill with that breaking news. the saga that has been george santos has ended today with the embattled congressman being expelled from the house. the new york republican daring his colleagues to put up or shut up as he put it, and they responded a short time ago with 311 members voting to expel him from congress. this third effort to expel santos approved to be the charm with the difference maker being a bombshell ethics report that detailed substantial evidence he spent campaign funds on everything from luxury shopping

to botox, to trips to casinos and the hamptons as well. santos is the sixth member of the house ever to be expelled and the first in more than two decades. he had little to say while leaving the capitol just before noon. >> what do you say to your constituents? >> excuse me, you guys got to get out of my way. >> got to get out of my way as he made his way out of the capitol. nbc ryan noble was there reporting for us on capitol hill. george solis reporting in santos' district of queens new york. joining us is mike murphy, republican strategist, former adviser to bush, romney, mccain, and msnbc political analyst as well. if you will, start things off for us. walk us through how this vote played out and what folks on the capitol are saying this hour. >> yeah, yasmin, it's important to point that we did not know how this was going to go today there had been quite a bit of momentum behind expelling george santos from congress. in the last 24 hours, there was

a growing sense of concern, particularly from republican members about the precedent that it might set. no member of congress has ever been kicked out without a formal conviction in a court of law, and while there is a mountain of evidence against george santos, he has get to be convicted. he faces a criminal trial in september, but that hasn't took place. the sum total of scandals surrounding him, the fact that it was a constant distraction, that every single day members of congress had to answer questions about a new revelation about george santos just turned out to be too much. what is important to point out, though, is that while more than 300 members did vote to kick them out, almost every single democrat save two, there were more republicans that voted to save george santos than did to kick him out and including the four top members of house leadership including the house speaker mike johnson all saying they were concerned about precedent. so regardless, there is no more george santos in the united states congress, yasmin.

that means that republicans only now have a three-seat majority in the house of representatives. >> george solis, take us to queens, new york, if you will, from washington. we're coming there. and talk to us about what folks on the ground, his constituents are saying about his expulsion. >> reporter: there's been a lot of celebrating outside of now former congressman george santos' office. people screaming things at the office, things we can't repeat on television a. lot of people were waiting for this vote to see if he would get expelled. a lot of members of new york 3 say they feel that they have been lied, cheated. they have been stolen from over the course of george santos's tenure here in the district. i feel like they haven't been represented at all, so they were closely watching to see whether or not he would actually get the boot from congress. many people telling us they are now waiting to see who governor hochul will maybe say that she prepares to set up for that special election. they have to decide who will take over that seat to best represent them. take a listen to some of the

combination of voters we have been talking to on the ground, especially right after that vote took place this morning. >> i think it's a long time coming. i think that this district has gone through a lot of just noise in the media and everything about everything that's been going on, and i think that there's been a loss of focus on really some of the important issues that we would home that a representative of congress from this district would be focused on. >> what was the straw that broke the camel's back for you? >> to me it was broken a long time ago, but i think that when you had the ethics committee come out with a report saying that there's a real problem here, and i think -- and you look at both the speaker and i think also the number two republican voted against him being expelled, you know, that does -- frankly that doesn't make them look good. >> reporter: you might be wondering what's happening in the office here right now. it is open. members coming out shortly after that vote to say, look, we are

still here. we have a skeleton staff of six people to answer any questions that people of new york 3 have. i asked some of the staffers here has the congressman reached out to them. has he said anything to apologize on behalf of everything that's been occurring here. they said he really hasn't apologized but he is thankful for the work that they have done. a lot of people in new york 3 say they don't really blame the staff for what's going on. obviously they are skeptical about any work that might get done until someone can be voted in to replace former congressman george santos' seat. >> we're going to be talking to steve kornacki at the top of next hour breaking down who was voted on in favor of his expulsion. i want to pick up on where ryan left off and your reaction to house leadership, republican house leadership voting in favor of keeping george santos and his seat. >> you know, i'm not too troubled by it. i'm a santos critic. he was a one-man crime squad and i'm glad he's gone and i'm glad

over 100 republican members of congress voted to get rid of him. but you have to look at the context of this. we're in a very different situation in the house. it is extremely close, and if you're the majority in control, and there's only a couple of seats between the parties that decide control, you have all the power. so politics is always first in the house, and my guess of what happened was they didn't -- the leadership, which is, yeah, he's a rat, but, you know, we got to control the -- we don't want to give up our majority, enough republicans between conscience and political fear said no, no, we're going to vote to dunk this guy, so they opened the flood gates and didn't try to whip people to protect him, which is why it was over 100. and that was the construct. only six times in american history, this is the first time anybody's been thrown out before a conviction. in the old days you'd show up in a confederate outfit and they'd throw you out. that used to be one of the rules. the house is a more populous

place. i'm glad they did it, but i'm not going to hang the leadership for doing their job, which is try to hold power, you know, it's irritating but i don't think horrible. >> i'm glad you brought up the whipping of the votes. we know speaker johnson didn't do that. he voted to keep santos and keep his seat. he urged other members of the republican house to vote with their conscience. santos also tried to make this argument himself, the implications of vote of expulsion. i want to play for you that sound, mike, and have you react on the other side. >> if it's their choice to change precedent and loop me in with three confederate turncoats who were expelled for treason and two convicted members who were convict instead a court of law, so i'll be the first person to get expelled from congress without a conviction or without committing treason, and that sets a dangerous new precedent for the future to come. it's the demise of this body eventually. >> so talk about dangerous precedent, santos obviously wanting to keep his seat, pretty see-through when it comes to

that, but the speaker as well making that argument yesterday. go ahead, mike. >> yeah, oh, i'm sorry, audio glitch. he is so bad they broke precedent. i mean, he's the reason here, you know. he was so awful. he was a parody of a corrupt congressman. you know, now he's going to change his name and wind up at a used car lot at long island city there. is a technical argument of precedence, precedent went out the window and he owns that, nobody else. >> it looks like his future holds possibly dancing with the stars, santos looking at that, talking about dancing with the stars and writing a book maybe . we're going to be watching out for what comes there. thank you guys. coming up next, everybody. we've got some breaking news as israel has resumed its assault on gaza after the pause expired without a new deal in place,

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welcome back. we want to get to the resumption of brutal and bloody fighting. 109 people so far have been killed in air strikes and artillery attacks in the last 13 hours since this truce expired. those same officials, they're now saying all the major hospitals inside gaza, they're out of service calling the health situation extremely catastrophic as they put it. the idf is saying it's already hit more than 200 targets since the truce expired including in southern gaza. that's along the egyptian border where many palestinians had fled at the instruction of israel. a senior state department official saying israel has agreed to designate large safe zones in the south to accommodate palestinians who have, in fact, been displaced.

meantime, the qatari foreign ministry, which has been leading this truce negotiations saying talks are still ongoing to see if they can get this truce back on. israel saying there are still 137 people being held by hamas in gaza, and for the families of those hostages, a devastating report from "the new york times" raising questions of whether this entire war, all of these lives lost could, in fact, have been avoided. according to the times, israel had its hands on a hamas battle plan for over a year that laid out in stunning detail the attack that unfolded on october 7th. israel did not take it seriously, mistakenly assuming hamas could not pull it off. the response from the idf today, they say they're focused on eliminating hamas and that questions about the report would have to wait for a, quote, later stage. we want to note, nbc news has not seen those documents. i want to bring in raf sanchez

in tel aviv to talk more about all of this. i'm going to get to the "new york times" reporting on this, raf, in just a minute. i want to start first on the ground and take us through what's happened over the last 24 hours since essentially this pause is now no longer. >> reporter: this pause is no longer, yasmin. in the last few minutes we've heard explosions here in tel aviv from rockets overhead. it's been a while since we've heard that. that is nothing compared to what people in gaza tell us they're hearing as the thunder of israeli air strikes resumes once again. as you said, 109 people have been killed over the last hours, according to the gaza health ministry, which is run by hamas. israel's military says it carried out more than 200 strikes since the cease fire came to an end, seven days and a couple of minutes after it started, and it's really significant what you mentioned, yasmin, a lot of those strikes are happening in the south in the city of khan younis, and that is where for weeks israel was telling palestinian

civilians to flee to. this morning they are declaring khan younis an active combat zone. they are telling people to get out, to go even further south to the border with egypt, and that basically means a very significant proportion of the palestinian population being pushed right up to the southern end of gaza. unicef is calling gaza a graveyard for children. i want to play you just a little bit of sound from their spokesman inside gaza. take a listen. >> the cease fire is over. we can already hear the bombing and i'm in a hospital. there was a hit about 50 meters from here. this is the biggest still functioning hospital in gaza. it's at 200% capacity. yes, this is a hospital. the health system here is overwhelmed. we cannot see more children with the wounds of war, with the burns, with the shrapnel littering their body, with the broken bones. >> reporter: so you can see just how dire the situation is in gaza's collapsed health care system right now. it is a reminder, yasmin, that

the last seven days have been a breather. they've been a respite, but they haven't fundamentally fixed any of these problems including the collapse of the hospitals. no aid has got into gaza today. there has been more aid over the last seven days, but as everybody has acknowledged it is just a fraction of what the 2 million civilians inside of gaza need. >> rafa, i want to talk about the hostages while i have you, 137 from our understanding still being held inside gaza. one of them is yarden bibas. he's actually the father of two children that hamas has claimed were killed by israeli air strikes after october 7th, after they were abducted. what do we know about him, his family, and the rest of the hostages as well? >> reporter: we know he is a man living through just unfathomable nightmare. he is himself a hostage in gaza, and he has been told by his hamas captors that his two children, including his

10-month-old baby son, kfir and his wife are dead. he doesn't know that for sure. he only has hamas's word to take for it. the israeli military says they cannot confirm that at this time. they are still examiing that claim, but that little boy, that 10-month-old baby, the youngest hostage in gaza has really become a symbol in this country, and people are absolutely heartbroken at the prospect that that little boy is dead, something which is still not confirmed. >> a 10-month-old possibly losing his life in a war, those children, unbelievable to think about and to be the parent having lost those children ever and in that way specifically. raf sanchez for us. thank you. i want to bring in richard stengel, former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs under president obama. he's also an msnbc political analyst. as always it's a pleasure, thanks for joining us on this. you just heard raf talk about this expansion of this war, it's happening. it's been happening over the

last 18 hours or so since this pause was essentially lifted, and they're now going south. israel is now striking in southern gaza. so you have from our understanding hundreds of thousands of palestinians basically now huddled in southern gaza as they were told to go there for safety, and now it is becoming a target. what are your expectations in the next phase of this war? >> well, i don't have any expectations. i would simply say that secretary of state tony blinken was in israel yesterday. he spoke not only with netanyahu and the war cabinet, had spoke with mahmoud abbas of the palestinian authority, and he counseled the israelis to be aware of the humanitarian death toll, to abide by humanitarian law. he mentioned violence in the west bank by israeli settlers.

united states' policy is to try to use its influence on israel to keep down the number of civilian casualties, and i can't speak for israeli military policy. i don't know anything about that. i can just say what our strategy is to try to limit the amount of civilian deaths in gaza. >> i want to talk about this reporting while i have you, richard, from "the new york times." really stunning stuff. reading it earlier today, unbelievable to think that this entire war, the loss of life now in the double-digits could have been avoided had it seen israel heeded the warnings of their intelligence official when is they got ahold of these battle plans. is essentially it seems as if israel had got ahold of these battle plans a year in advance from hamas, but they did not believe hamas could pull it off. i want to read for you a quote directly from "the new york times."

nbc news has not seen these documents. the reporting saying this, the audacity of the blueprint, officials said, made it easy to underestimate. all militaries write plans that they never use and israeli officials assess that had even ifam invaded, it might muster a force of a few dozen, not the hundreds who ultimatel attacked. hamas had beenrafting attack plans for many years and israeli offial had gotten ahold of previous iterations of them. what could have been an intelligence coup turned into one of the worst miscalculations in israel's 75-year history. one of the worst miscalculations in israel's 75-year history, with 1,200 lives, israeli lives lost and more than 10,000 palestinian lives lost. what is your reaction to this reporting and the likely intelligence failure that happened here? >> well, yasmin, it's a stunning story. but i would say in the history of warfare, almost every

surprise attack that has been successful was known about in advance, but people didn't believe it was possible. i mean, just to go back to the 9/11 attack in the united states and the 9/11 commission spent, you know, years and millions of dollars coming to the conclusion that it wasn't an intelligence failure, it was a failure of imagination. it was a failure to believe that something like that was possible. and in that very, very good "new york times" story, basically that is the point, that they had the information but no one believed that it was possible. that the assumptions were completely different. and by the way, i would add, you know, the hero of the story is this young female israeli defense analyst who was over and over again saying this is what's happening. this is what's likely. we need to do something about it. they should make her defense secretary! but you couple that, richard with the warnings that we heard bibi netanyahu got from the egyptians as well weeks in

advance, although he was more focused on the judicial overhaul along with what was happening in the west bank, and he has admittedly said that at certain times. how much of this is on his shoulders, considering the evidence we now have access to? >> it's an impossible question to answer. you know, the first three priorities of any israeli prime minister are national security, national security, and national security. insofar as that's the case, if he was spending time on that judicial overhaul, if he was spending time on other matters, then maybe he was taking his eye off the ball. but that is ultimately a decision for israeli voters, and his popularity is very low. i think people don't necessarily want to change horses in the middle of the stream right now, but the accountability for that will come to pass. >> richard stengel, as always, it is a pleasure, sir.

thank you. so with the truce in gaza broken, the families of the 137 hostages still in captivity, they're in limbo. they're waiting for any news of a plan to free the people that they love. joining me now is udo goran, his cousin was kidnapped. i know that your family is going through a very difficult time. there was hope for several days considering the hostages that had been released. i know that your cousin is still in captivity in gaza. how are you and your family doing right now? >> first of all, thank you for having me and thank you for keeping this topic on the top of the news. we are heartbroken. i mean, we finally thought that reason was coming into play when the israeli cabinet and the government finally are acknowledging and acting according to the understanding that there's nothing more important than bringing these

hostages back, and there was a plan and there was this negotiation that every day we get more people back. now that people are back with every single person we hear about the horror stories that they've experienced, the difficult conditions. we already got some people that got back in critical conditions. you've just reported that the bibas family might have been killed in the bombings. today we've heard because of the people that got back, we've heard that at least four more people that were taken to gaza alive are confirmed dead, and that means that every day, including today, including right now when we're talking my cousin's life is in danger. >> what have you heard about how your cousin is doing, the communication you've had from the israeli government, do you know if he's alive? do you know if he is well? do you know if he's in good health? >> we know nothing new in the

past 50 some days. a part of this deal was supposed to be that the red cross would visit, and it never happened, so we are completely in limbo as far as his fate is concerned. we know nothing about him. >> are you currently lobbying? i know many families that had hostages that were being held in gaza, some of which have returned, are still lobbying publicly to get the israeli government to reengage, to go for another pause to get more hostages out. are you doing that? are you engaged with the israeli government to try and get them to -- >> absolutely. absolutely for the past month and a half or two months actually, this is all i've been doing. life stopped on october 7th for hundreds of people in israel, some of them have been able to go back to, you know, some routine. the lives of the families

haven't. this is all i do. this is the only thing i think about from morning until night, and we are, you know, running out of time. we are operating under the assumption that we are running out of time. you've just covered the renewed assault on southern gaza. this is probably where my cousin is. this is where his phone was traced to. we know that israeli air strikes are hurting the hostages, and now it's even more dense. it's impossible. it's just impossible. >> so udi, i don't want to make this conversation about politics, but this report that came out from "the new york times" this morning is stunning, and i have yet to be able to talk to someone who is as invest instead what is happening in this israel hamas war as you are, considering where your family member is, your cousin is, and where he's being held. what is your reaction? how do you feel about this report coming out of the "new york times" saying that the

israeli government knew about a possible plan by hamas but felt like they didn't have the capacity to pull it off, that this could have been avoided? >> thank you for bringing this up. i actually wanted to bring this up i myself because i think that focusing on this is completely missing the point, you know. we've been going through this for the past 18 years. of course there was going to be another assault. of course there was going to be another attempt by hamas to hurt israel. you know how i know? because it happens every single year. we're talking about this thing as if it's never been done before, but this is just a calamity of the same cycle we've been through the past 18 years, so this is extreme. the barbaric attempt, the barbaric assault in what we've seen, but of course it was coming. let me tell you something else. right now the government does not have a plan for an exit strategy.

there is no end game. and if there is no end game, we will be in the same exact scenario in five years. mark my words. and unless we get a responsible adult like the u.s. government that is saying what is the end game, give us the end game, you cannot continue with this war jeopardizing the lives of the hostages, jeopardizing -- i mean, i also see the pictures coming out of gaza, it's terrible. it's awful. it's heart shattering for me as well, the fact that i'm in pain for my cousin does not relieve any of the pain that i see that the people in gaza are experiencing. and if there is no end game for this and if there's no exit strategy, this is all in vain, all of these people that are dying and suffering, it's all in vain. if this is not ended with a resolution, with a new regional order that makes sure that this

does not reoccur, that when we are done with this, there is a responsible adult at the region and hamas is not being -- is not rearming itself and that israel moves into a long lasting resolution of the palestinian conflict. this was all in vain. in that case we completely missed point of october 7th. >> do you think you can do that with your current israeli government, udi? >> yes. we can do it. it's a matter of will. it's not a matter of who there is. you know, it's so intricate, i don't need to tell you. there are so many other factors involved. >> yeah. >> i think that anybody that has a will, you know, maybe the biggest tragedy of this current situation is that netanyahu is, in fact, one of the most talented politicians that israel has ever had, and if at some

point he is made to realize that this is the right thing to do not just for himself but also for israel and we need the international community to once and for all put it -- set its foot down and say this is it. this cannot go on. we can not keep killing each other like this. if that happens, yes, it's possible. >> udi goren, i am so appreciative of your impassioned plea and sharing your story of your cousin today. we wish you and your family the best in the return, the safe return of your cousin. please stay in touch with us throughout this conflict, thank you so much. >> thank you very much. >> we wish you safety as well, udi, thank you. coming up, everybody, the passing of a trailblazer, sandra day o'connor who made history as the first female supreme court justice has died at the age of 93. we're going to have a look back at her life and her legacy.

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welcome back. the supreme court today announcing the death of sandra day o'connor, the first female justice on the nation's highest court. she died at the age of 93 from complications related to advanced dementia and a respiratory illness, laura jarrett with a look at her life. >> keeping a campaign promise to put the first woman on the supreme court, ronald reagan

nominated sandra day o'connor in 1981. the daughter of an arizona rancher, she came highly recommended as a conservative, sounded like one during her confirmation hearing. >> my own view in the area of abortion is that i am opposed to it as a matter of birth control or otherwise. >> reporter: as a justice, at first she criticized the roe versus wade abortion ruling but later joined the majority in a series of cases upholding abortion rights in the '90s. as the first female justice, her every action was scrutinized. >> the arms get all worn out. >> reporter: attention she would later say was intimidating. >> it's thrilling in a way to be the first to do something, the first woman to ever serve on the court, but it's dreadful if you're the last, and if i didn't do the job well, that's what would happen. >> reporter: during her 24 years on the court, o'connor became

less tied to a single judicial philosophy. she was sometimes with the conservatives, voting to end the 2000 florida recount between george w. bush and al gore, and advocating for states' rights against federal control. >> there is a role that remains for the states and i am a believer in that designated role. >> reporter: but she joined the court's liberals in upholding affirmative action in college admissions creating more congressional districts with african american voters in the majority and keeping a wall of separation between government and religion. o'connor was a frequent guest at washington social events often dancing with her husband john and met with student groups, especially young women around the country, but at age 75 she abruptly announced her intention to step down for health reasons, not hers, but her husband's. >> my beloved husband john suffers from alzheimer's he's

had it for a long time now. and he's not in very good shape. >> john o'connor died at age 79 in 2009. she remained active urging states to do away with elections for judges, which she said made the courts too political. sandra day o'connor was a pioneer, the first female justice who held the court's center for more than a generation, laura jarrett nbc news at the supreme court. >> paving the way for so many women behind her. we are thankful for the life of sandra day o'connor. up next, the dramatic conclusion for the lawmaker who called himself the mary magdalene of congress, george santos expelled from the house, only the sixth time it has ever happened in this country. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. oh. [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ new emergen-c crystals pop and fizz when you throw them back.

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we are following some breaking news on the former president, a federal appeals court has now ruled that donald trump can be sued in civil lawsuits related to the january 6th attack. this unanimous decision by the three-judge panel ruled that trump is not, quote, unquote, immune because he was president. obviously the defense that the former president and his attorneys were mounting. joining us now is lisa rubin to talk more about this. walk us through this decision and what it could mean. >> so there are three separate lawsuits, yasmin, that all alleged civil liability by former president trump in connection with the events on january 6th. some are brought by members of

congress, including eric swalwell and bennie thompson, others are brought by capitol police officers who were injured that day. the import of this decision is that president trump doesn't get to just throw out these lawsuits because he was president on january 6th. even though a president can be entitled to immunity for official acts, the decision that the court is making here is that on the basis of the allegations in front of them, the speech, for example, that he gave from the ellipse on january 6th doesn't qualify as official action, rather it was a campaign speech, and they go on to talk about the difference between actions taken by an incumbent president as a candidate for office and those that he takes in capacity as president and ultimately rule that the allegations here, which are not yet proven, are not sufficient to reject the cases outright. >> you talked about the capitol police officers. we have heard testimony from the capitol police officer's interviews on our own air as well as to what happened that

day and how it affected them. i want to play some of that sound again, the testimony from these capitol police officers, how it affected their families, what happened on january 6th and beyond, and then we'll talk. >> they continued to be a constant trauma for us literally every day, whether because of our physical or emotional injuries or both. >> i've been left with the psychological trauma and the emotional anxiety of having survived such a horrific event, and my children continue to deal with the trauma of nearly losing their dad that day. >> january 6th still isn't over for me. i've had to avail myself of multiple counseling sessions from the capitol police employee assistance program and i'm now receiving private counseling for the persistent emotional trauma of that day. >> what does this mean for them? they'll never be able to fully recover psychologically from what happened on january 6th. that is for sure. what does this mean for them when it comes to civil liability? >> not all of the people you

just showed are plaintiffs in these lawsuits. in fact, the plaintiffs in this lawsuit, he's not a person i believe we've heard from at some of these hearings. however, this establishes, again, that a suit is not automatically entitled to be thrown out because you are suing president trump in a civil capacity for damages based on injuries that you sustained that day, whether they're physical injuries or emotional injuries, this might encourage other former capitol police officers to come forward assuming they're within statutes of limitation meaning they have time left to sue him and sue civilly for the damages that they sustained that day. >> more to come on this in our next hour. for now, lisa rubin, thank you. up next, i'm going to speak to a member of the january 6th committee about this news and that breaking news of the expulsion of george santos as well. we'll be right back. it's your verizon.

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i want to update you on our breaking news we've been following throughout the day. george santos has been expelled from the house. moments ago it appeared that capitol hill workers were seen changing the locks to the new york republican's office hours after a majority of his colleagues voted him out. the dramatic step leaving house republicans with an even title tighter majority than they already had. joining us to talk more about this, democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland, he's the ranking member of the house oversight committee. congressman, as always, it's a pleasure, sir, thank you for joining us on this. just last month you told santos it was not shameful to, in fact, resign. he is the sixth member of the house in u.s. history to, in fact, be ousted. he has said expulsion has been -- expulsion has been and quote, guilty of treason and those convicted of crimes, saying neither apply to him. he also claims that he was denied due process. what is your reaction, congressman, to that? >> thank you so much for having me. well, a month ago the same new

york republicans who brought the motion of expulsion forward today had moved forward to expel santos, and i opposed it on the grounds that there had been no criminal conviction, nor had there been an ethics finding by our own internal house process that he had engaged in grave misconduct. but that finding did come with the reptf the ethics committee, which determined that he had engaged in just outrageous ripoffs of campaign donors' mon. the conversion of campaign money to private trips to las vegas and florida, and botox treatments and so on. and he never mounted any kind of defense against any of it. he never tried to contradict any of dozens and dozens of findings that they had made. so the house of representatives says the power under article i of the constitution to engage in its own disciplinary process

and the position i had taken was we need a criminal conviction in court or ethics conviction or findings that would lead to expulsion and the chairman of the ethics committee on behalf of a unanimous bipartisan ethics committee introduced the motion to expel. and i voted for it. but i do feel as if his offenses, his fraud, his lies, pale in comparison to the lies of donald trump, that his big lie which he won the presidential election, which he lost by more than 7 million votes in the electoral college then led to his incitement of a violent insurrection against the union, and so all of those republicans who voted to expel santos should drop their support for donald trump immediately who certainly engaged in far bigger lies than anything george santos ever attempted. >> i'm glad you brought up donald trump. i'm going to ask you about that in a moment. i want to stay with santos, but i want to ask you about the federal appeals court ruling in

a moment. i want to talk about the numbers game we're looking at when it comes to the house, a tighter majority here for republicans, now just a three-seat majority. it's going to take time to fill that seat, we know. obviously governor kathy hochul calling for a special election to fill the seat. nevertheless, two major deadlines, january and february to continue to fund this government, talk me through the math of this, how this gets through with this tight three-seat majority from republicans. >> yeah, let me just start with a point about the tight margin. it's been in the realm of three, four, five. that's the same margin the democrats were dealing with under nancy pelosi and we were able to advance major legislation, including the bipartisan infrastructure act, the inflation reduction act, the c.h.i.p.s and science act, and so on. we were able to get a lot done, so there is tremendous dysfunction within the republican conference, which, as you know, has had a very hard time settling even on who their speaker would be, and we spent

many weeks in this congress, just dealing with the tumult at the top of their leadership ranks, but, you know, i don't know what they do because they have a run away right wing maga faction which is directly empowered by donald trump, which doesn't want them to engage in negotiations with us, but then you also have about a dozen endangered republican incumbents. i wouldn't call them moderates, but they are people who have to run in more swing districts, and they are a lot of them in biden districts, and they're running for their lives right now, and they do not want to see all of the anti-abortion, anti-gay extremist stuff that the maga people like to put out on the floor. >> how are democrats feeling about being able to flip this seat, congressman? >> well, i think we're feeling good generally about our fortunes coming up for 2024. if we do our work right because the republicans have made such a complete mess out of everything, and they have displayed nothing

other than chaos and dysfunction and extremism at every tournament and so i think that people understand the democrats now were the liberal party because we stand for liberty, we're the progressive party because we stand for progress. we're also the conservative party because we want to conserve the constitution, the bill of rights, the land, the air, the water, the climate system, social security, medicare, everything they want to tear down is what we want to conserve. at this point, if you're for american democracy surviving, you're for us and not the party of trump. >> we have 20 seconds or so left, and that is your reaction to this ruling now that the former president is not immune to civil liability when it comes to january 6th. >> it makes perfect sense. if your campaign bus runs somebody over and you get sued for it, you can't assert that was an official act of the president, much less assert presidential immunity when you're engaged in the crime of trying to overthrow the government and the constitution

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