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campaign. >> he can defend himself in a court of law, but for the purposes of this body, he's gotta go. >> and go, he did. becoming just the sixth member of congress to be expelled from that once august legislative body and further narrowing republicans' already meager majority. >> plus, bombing and fighting resumes in gaza as the temporary trice expires among new revelations when israel learned about a potential october 7th attack. and governors ron desantis and gavin newsom duke it out in a live debate as we learn more about the scandalous allegations swirling around florida republican chair and moms for liberty cofounder kristen ziegler. and we begin tonight with an historic day on capitol hill. the infamous kind. prior to today, only five house members have ever been expelled, all in cases of criminality or

disloyalty, aka, treason. three house members were expelled in 1861 for disloyalty to the union. john bullock clark and henny cornelius burnett of kentucky all served in the confederate army. in 1980, michael meyers, no relation to the movie character, was given the boot after he was caught taking bribes in the fbi's sting, and in 2002, james traficant was expelled after his conviction on ten corruption related accounts, bribery, racketeering, and tax evasion. today, for his litany of illegal and unethical behavior, george santos joined that infamous club. becoming just the sixth house member to be expelled in the history of the united states congress. after 11 months of drama, the house finally said good-bye and good riddance to the serial

fabulist. true to form, he was defiant to the bitter end, although he tried to appear zen-like about the losing his job thing this morning. >> i have accepted the fate. look, i believe that if it's god's will to keep me here, i will stay. if it's his will for me to leave, i will leave. i will do so graciously. >> yeah, except he really didn't do that. during debate on his expulsion yesterday, he basically dared his colleagues to oust him, and clearly expected the result today, he wore his coat on the floor as the vote happened. 105 republicans joined nearly all democrats in sending him backing. the vote was 311 to 114. leaving the capitol afterwards, he told reporters he no longer had to answer questions since he's not a member, adding, to hell with this place. when asked if he planned on visiting the house floor as a now former member. george santos has aays been a shall we say unique figure, and not just because his entire biography unraveled after he was

elected, even though a local long island newspaper tried to sod the alarm. before he was sworn in, it emerged he lied about his education, his resume, his mother possibly dying in the twin tower on september 11th or being there at all, his supposed jewish heritage and being the descendant of holocaust survivors. despite all that, kevin mccarthy welcomed him. santos' expulsion is also unique since he hasn't been convicted of his alleged crimes yet. he faces trial next fall on federal charges of money laundering, theft of public funds, and idon'ty theft. he has accepted responsibility for stealing checks in brazil in a deal to have the charges there dropped. prior to today, he survived two votes to expel him, but his days seemed numbers. he said he wouldn't run for re-election after the ethics committee released a scathing

report. that included additional crimes they referred to the department of justice, falsely reporting loans received by his political action committee and using campaign funds for totally reasonable stuff like ferragamo shoes, botox, trips to the hamptons, atlanta city casinos, a honeymoon in las vegas, and onlyfans payments and cash. he will likely have a harder time coming up with legitimate money to cover his champagne lifestyle. he's no longer receiving his salary as a member of congress or a congressional pension since you have to serve five years to qualify. adding insult to injury, office staff have already changed the locks on his congressional office and taken down his name. it will remain the office of the third congressional district of new york until his successor is elected. while this particular avatar of republican party lies and corruption may be gone, the rot goes all the way to the core. george santos' entire political ethos lying, a performative

outrage and self victimation is nothing more than a cliff's notes version of the republicans' dear leader, donald trump, except as george santos's expulsion proves, donald trump may have changed the rules, but getting away with crime seems to only apply to him. i'm joined now boo harry lipman, former deputy assistant attorney general, legal affaired columnist for the los angeles times, and host of the talking feds podcast, and rick wilson, former republican strategist and cofounder of the lincoln project. rick wilson y have literally been waiting all day with bated breath, much excitement, to hear what you, my friend, have to say about george santos' expulsion. please, please, please tell us what you think. >> joy, thank you for having me on today because i have been watching the george santos thing, the uppance has finally come for this guy. this is probably one of the most egregious, weird, scumbags that has ever graced the halls of

congress, including that one guy from the civil war you showed with the giant facial hair. but this is a truly strange guy who only could be elected in the donald trump era's republican party. there used to be a function of the republican party where the county chairman would say to the national committee, that guy is running. he's kind of a weirdo. you don't want that guy in there. now, the process and the incentives are built to put the weirdos and the criminals in the top of the food chain as long as they're players on trump's radar, and as long as they're good on social media, and as long as they play the fox game, none of it sees to matter. it's remarkable it finally caught up with this guy, even though it was obvious from the very beginning there were things profoundly long with this dude. like from the very start, from the jump, you could tell this guy was going to end up -- i'm surprised he didn't end up with a sniper rifle in a clock tower. he's mad.

and the criminality was rolling off this guy in waves. really a remarkable figure for our time. >> and he didn't even have a fun saucy mustache, which might have helped him. harry lipman, there is a sense in which, we laugh about santos, but there is a sense that his just brazen lawlessness, the fact he thought he could take the campaign money he raised from donors and spend it on onlyfans that in my mind can only exist in the world where donald trump gets away with so much crime that people who are in his party and in his milieu believe that's the way it works. it isn't the way it works for anyone except donald trump. for you as a former prosecutor, does it feel to you like the four years we spent watching donald trump literally earn money off a hotel he was leasing from the federal government, which is supposed to not be allowed, and just brazenly violate the law and manipulate the justice department to help his friends and hurt his

enemies, that sense of lawlessness to me translates and transfers. what do you think as a former prosecutor? >> yeah, that's why they call him the rick wilson. i don't want to follow him on politics. but first, there is this screaming irony that the party is overall embracing and redoubling in its embrace at every brazen disclosure of trump and yet there was something i think actually rick has a point about there was something strange about the guy and almost sort of junior high terms. he was someone you could kick when you would be scared of trump, the bully. i just want to make two quick legal points, not having any desire to duke it out with rick on the politics. first point is there were some interesting people voting no, saying this sets a bad example, because he hasn't been convicted. and what the house decided to do today is go with their own ethics committee, because whether or not he had been convicted in a court of law, it

was a scathing ethics committee report, unanimous, and it mattered the motion to expel was brought by the chair of that committee, a republican. secondly, the point, wow, is george santos in a world of hurt criminally. i think he was holding on by his fingernails, a, for the salary, i mean, he doesn't seem to have a dime. and b, for some kind of leverage of that position. he now can't afford a trial where the charges are going to get worse, and where even if he could pay for a defense, he would be convicted in 90 minutes. i really think he's looking at a straight path to a plea bargain here, and that's what really he had in mind and why the worst for george santos actually has yet to come. >> you're right because in my understanding, he would be better off trying to get a plea deal in office, because they could say if you leave office, then maybe you could get a lighter sentence.

>> i don't think he would prosper in prison. >> he could probably entertain everyone and maybe that will make everybody like him very much. i have to do something that i normally wouldn't do because this guy is for lynching. i would normally not play a sound bite of chip roy. i'm not a huge fan of him as a politician, but he did say something i think is actually true and resonant, particularly for you, rick, as a former republican strategist. >> i want my republican colleagues to give me one thing, one, that i can go campaign on and say we did. one. anybody sitting in the complex, if you want to come down to the floor and explain to me one material meaningful significant thing that republican majority has done besides, well, i guess it's not as bad as the democrats. >> rick wilson can you answer this question? >> no, because there is no

answer to it. right now what you're seeing is people like chip roy and the people like matt gaetz and people like lauren boebert and all the other crazies, they're turning now on mike johnson, who is insufficiently crazy for their caucus. just process that for a moment, when you have to say to yourself, mike johnson is not extreme enough. those words -- it's hard to make those words come out of your mouth because mike johnson is the furthest right, bizarro world republican you could imagine, and they're complaining he's not doing what they want, which is to burn down washington. what chip is asking for is the government to be shut down. he's asking for draconian cuts. he's asking for the sort of like mad max scenario where the living envy the dead and the world is in chaos because that's what they want. at most he gets to say, we sent santos back to where he came from, but this is a guy, chip

represents a really broken brained part of the republican party that believes the chaos and destruction and the economic crisis that they could create in the house isn't being handed to them on a silver platter. if you're part of a party that wants that all the time, if you're part of a party that needs that, that is chasing the dragon of chaos and disruption and economic crisis, you're not really in a party. you're in a cult, and that's why he and so many others are disappointed, and again, when mike johnson is the guy closer to the center than most of the caucus, you know you're in a really alternate universe. >> because he wands the handmaid's tale. that's frightening, the reality is, harry, i'm not going to ask you to comment on the politics because everything they do is because of trump. they don't like ukraine because trump doesn't like ukraine. they want to go after prosecutors because trump doesn't like them. they're literally for him.

let's talk about him because he's the reason they do everything they do, the republicans. this argument that's being made, a federal appeals court said trump cannot get presidential immunity on his january 6th civil cases. he still has to meet them. but i want to let you listen to a guy named steve sado, he's trump's lawyer, and he's arguing in the case of the fulton county prosecution for the january 6th insurrection, trump cannot be prosecuted, right, before the election because he's running for president. but if he became president, he also cannot be prosecuted. take a listen. >> can you imagine the notion of republican nominee for president not being able to campaign for the presidency because he is in some form or fashion in a courtroom. that would be the most effective election interference in the history of the united states. >> if your client does win election in 2024, could he even

be tried in 2025? >> the answer to that is i believe that the supremacy clause and his duties as president of the united states, this trial would not take place at all until after he left the office. >> heads, you win, tails -- heads, i win, tails, you lose. they're saying he can't be prosecuted at all ever. >> exactly what they're saying, and that's just the phrase i had in mind. and mcafee is a smart guy. i think he was looking at the heads part very carefully. one thing he asked today that was telling, what if there is a change in the federal court schedule? say aileen cannon, how long would it take you prosecution to get up to speed? 30 days. and he also said, you, prosecution, can choose your first group if there's more than one. why does that matter?

because, yes, it would be a kind of election interference, but you also call him a criminal defendant with grave charges against him. that's what follows from it. the other point he's making, joy, i'm actually here to tell you, has some oomph in it. were he elected president, it's very possible the supreme court would say you better put this trial on ice for now. meaning, if mcafee is thinking about it, there's all the more reason to try to do this trial before. there's no constitutional impediment, a little inconvenient, but he seems to love it, actually, for him being a criminal defendant while he's running for president. but there would be after. so it really means it's all the more important to get a trial in, this one or january 6th trial, before judge chutkan, in advance of the election. >> because it's clear if he becomes president, he's not going to leave. he's just going to be president until, you know, nature takes its course.

this is clear. >> for example, we know what he'll do to the doj, to the country, to the constitution. so would that he would just leave us alone, that will not happen. >> it will not happen. let me go to the other president, his name is joe biden, and there is an attempt, rick wilson, to try to give him the same asterisks that trump has. again, they only do things because of trump. so the asterisk they want to give him is impeachment. the gentleman leading this is james comer. poor james comer. they'll never call him the james comer because he seems to have gotten so played by abbe lowell, hunter biden's lawyer, because he said yeah, let's go ahead, let's do the subpoena, in public. and comer said, no, we can't do that. we don't want to have that. what is the purpose at this point of the impeachment if they have no witnesses and they can't even bring themselves to question their supposed star prosecution witness in public?

>> look, i think to begin, we should be thankful james comer is running this investigation because james comer is a man clearly who is easily overcome by inamimate objects. this is a guy who would lose a debate to a toaster oven. i have old pairs of crocs smarter than james coker. this is a guy who really is not a bright man. now, with all that, he still has a staff of attorneys behind him, and they have this idea of law fare against joe biden. however, their case is based on such a tenuous scheme of lies, bs, garbage, fake laptop stories, the entire thing falls apart with even the most cursory exposure to truth. and so they're going to end up with this thing that they thought was going to be their benghazi. they were going to get him in the chair like they got hillary for days on end, and have this rolling set of coverage. even fox news seems vaguely embarrassed by james comer.

maybe even not vaguely, maybe profoundly embarrassed. this is an impeachment in search of a fact base and there is none to be had. it's always projection. these people, when they say someone is a criminal, it's because they're criming. if they say someone is corrupt, it's because they're corrupt. and they're projecting this back, all of donald trump's sins back on joe biden to try to muddy the water. it's not working. and the fact that they have a guy who is spearheading this who is probably about as capable of understanding complex multivariant legal problems as i am of understanding quantum physics is a real benefit to the president right now. >> i mean, lilerally, when they say joe biden lent his son money or lent his brother money, james comer literally lent his brother an equal amount of money. >> it's astoundingly hypocritical. >> so embarrassing. harry lipman and the rick

wilson. >> all the big developments, the immunity opinion today is huge, very important for jack smith. just wanted to get that in. >> thank you for getting that in. the harry lipman got that in. up next on "the reidout," studying new recording reveals exactly when israeli officials learned about hamas' plans to carry out their attack in israel and why that intelligence was apparently ignored. "the reidout" continues after this. at bombas, we're obsessed with comfort. quality. movement. because your basic things should be your best things. one purchased equals one donated. visit bombas.com and get 20% off your first order.

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the fragile humanitarian pause between israel and hamas collapsed today after negotiations reached an impasse. publicly, israel and hamas blamed each other for military activity that violated the week-long pause. the israeli military has now urged residents in parts of southern gaza to evacuate, signaling a broader assault is coming. it's not clear where gaza residents in the south would evacuate to. a total of 178 palestinians have been killed and 589 injured in gaza since the resumption of hostilities today, according to the gaza health ministry. the health ministry also says the idf is targeting a hospital and is calling for u.n. protection. the fighting resumed after a bombshell report that israel knew of the hamas attack plan more than a year ago. a blueprint reviewed by "the new york times" laid out the attack in detail, but israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings. joining me now is journalist and

foreign policy expert rula gibril. this was a stunning piece of journalism. this 40-page document which the israeli authorities code named jericho wall, explained a methodical assault taking over israeli cities and storm key military bases which happened as well, including a division headquarters. they hit the military base, they went to civilian areas, took hostages. it's all in this report that was a year old. your take on how and why it could have been ignored. >> well, this goes back to netanyahu's governing philosophy, for 30 years he told israelis he's the only one who can keep them safe, the only one who can thwart, prevent the establishment of the palestinian state, and the only one who can control the americans. he keeps reiterating those things until last week, i believe, and i can prevent a palestinian state by basically, and this is the most important

element, by strengthening hamas and delit youmizing the palestinian authority. ten years ago when he started negotiating with hamas and lobbying gulf state to finance hamas, he released the head of hamas in gaza. he's the architect of this attack. he was in israeli jail, not because he killed israelis but because he killed palestinians. he thought that hamas did not represent a military threat anymore. and thus, he took from gaza all the -- a lot of units and took them back to the west bank, undermining the security of the border. took them to the west bank because his ultimate goal was annexation of the palestinian territories. it goes back to his governing philosophy. a lot of israelis like myself feel betrayed by this government. all his life, he told us he could keep israelis safe, and

under his watch, the worst terrorist attack took place. now he's doubling down on the same policies that produced nothing but death and destruction. >> the death toll is now over 14,000, and if you count the additional deaths from the bombing that has resumed, this is one thing that i don't understand. what we have seen actually proved is that when the bombing stops, israeli hostages and other hostages from around the world from thailand and others go free. when the bombing is happening, none of that happens at all. let me play a person whose cousin was kidnapped after attempting to fight militant hamas. his cousin is still missing. here's what he had to say about the resumption of bombing. >> we are operating under the assumption that we are running out of time. you have just covered the renewed assault on southern gaza. this is probably where my cousin is. this is where his phone was traced to. we know that israeli air strikes

are hurting the hostages. and now, it's even more dense. it's impossible. >> what would be the reason to resume bombing when it doesn't help get hostages out, it's hurting israel's and the united states's reputation, and it isn't an effective way to do anything other than kill a lot of people, including children? >> well, netanyahu understands his political life, his survival, his political survival depends on what's happening with the war. once the music ends, his political life is over. israelis, i believe, only 4% trust him at this point. only 4%. and what's keeping him alive is the global unconditional support, especially of the west. when president biden, the bear hug, continued to deliver weapons without any condition, this actually emboldened these extremists in the government. i believe that netanyahu and his

far right government will not stop in gaza. they have been pointing to -- they have been saying that the west bank, there's 2 million terrorists and 2 million nazis who are living in the west bank. they are now creating a doctrine that is so dangerous to israelis, palestinians, to the americans, everywhere, and the doctrine is the following. that palestinians, all of them, somehow, they are either terrorists or terrorist sympathizers or human shields, and thus, they are a legitimate target anywhere. they're looking at the northern border in lebanon saying we will go also to lebanon because lebanon has hezbollah, and thus it's a threat. so the west instead of putting conditions clear conditions to what israel -- to comply with international law or american law, they're giving them a green light to continue dismantling palestinians in gaza. today, according to israel, a main newspaper in israel, their

ultimate goal is to thinning out the population in gaza. meaning, we need to push them out of the country and bomb them and create -- they have been even saying we will use further weapons like food and water to create a pandemic so we can kill -- create a mass killing and kill them either directly or indirectly. this is ethnic cleansing. the fact that president biden and that administration is aiding and abetting netanyahu, who donald trump of israel, and not realizing this is so dangerous for the united states, is astonishing. joy, one last thing. and this is really, if you look at the global south and how the global south is reacting, we are in uncharted territories. this will enable extremists. we're already having extremists in israel in the government saying we cannot survive and cannot be safe, and this is a

nuclear state, with a presence of the palestinians. the next person, the next terrorist or tyrant who will use this will be somebody else who will point out president biden backing of netanyahu, saying if israel did it, we're allowed. >> scary stuff, but important information. thank you very much. coming up next, today is world aids day, a reminder of those we have lost and a commitment to fighting both the disease and the stigma surrounding it. i'll be joined by debbie allen when we come back.

today is world aids day, a global movement to unite people in the fight against hiv and aids. world aids day was first declared by the world health organization in 1988. the year at least 10,000 people died of aids in the united states. tens of millions of peopleave died of aids related causes since the beginning of the epidemic. the hiv landscape looks a lot different now than it did in the 1980s, but the fight is far from over. in 2022, 39 million people globally were living with hiv, and 1.3 million people were newly diagnosed. which is why the people and organizations on the front lines of fighting hiv/aids say there is still so much more work to be

done. and joining me now is emmy, grammy, and golden globe winning choreographer, director, and producer, the great and glorious debbie allen. she's also an hiv/aids awareness activist and will be speaking tonight at the nation's largest world aids day commemoration, a concert in houston featuring the one and only janet jackson. i'm so jealous, and i'm so honored to talk to you. this is why i love my job. i get to meet amazing people like you. debbie allen, welcome. >> thank you so much. you're so beautiful and you have so much joy, as you should. >> oh, my. tell me about this amazing event. i, again, definitely wish i could be there. please tell us why is it happening, what is going to happen, who is going to be part of it? give us all the details. >> aids health care foundation has become the world's largest and leading aids organization, nonprofit. it started out as a group of friends that were trying to

create hospice and help their friends die in a very respectful, dignified way. and now it's the leader, and michael weinstein, who is the ceo and president, has made this a commitment to bring awareness so people don't forget. sometimes people think the battle is over because now it's not a death sentence like it was. back in the '80s, i lost half of my dance company on fame. i was in hospital, i was pregnant with my baby, and i was in the hospital saying good-bye to my fame sons, and that's a painful thing to live with. but now, there's so much help and there's so much possibility, and people are living productive, healthy, normal lives that are infecting with the virus. and people need to just remember that it's still out there. this is a battle that we haven't won yet. it's still a war. and women are high risk, and so

this concert tonight with janet jackson is to celebrate all the gains we have made, all that we have learned and all of the medications and new ways of living. and also, to celebrate those who have gone before us. we did one in new york one year, at the apollo, where celebrated all the great, great dancers that have gone on because of the aids virus. and this is a tremendous undertaking and it's something very serious and joyful at the same time. this is a celebration. this is a celebration because people can live now. they don't have to die. >> yeah. you know, it's interesting because there was so much that was a huge dichotomy in the 1980s. we were all watching fame and enjoying you, and learning about dance and learning about the arts. but it was a time of, you know, i remember being in new york. and you would see people walking down the street.

it would almost be like you would see people dying in front of you. a frielthenning era and a glorious era for the arts. you mentioned some of these statistics. although african american's represent almost 13% of the u.s. population, african americans today still account for 42.1% of hiv infection cases in 2019. in 2020, african americans were 7.8 times more likely to be diagnosed with hiv infection as compared to the white population. talk about how these disparities can still be happening when as you said we have so many drug therapies, so much that has gotten better. >> well, it says a lot about the bureaucracy that happens in our country, in the medical profession, in politics. what areas and communities are important, and we just have to stand up and say it out loud. there are disparities. there were disparities with covid-19, there were disparities all over.

so this is not something new to us. but it's something that we have to speak out about and have great awareness of. this weekend, we're going to be celebrating dionne warwick at the kennedy center honors. she's one of the greatest advocates with that amazing song, that's what friends are for. she and all the great legends, elton john and people who got together. even when they raise millions of dollars it was the black community that was not receiving the care that they needed. and deion took many steps to change that. and the perception. perception is a learned phenomenon. it's not something that is just this is, you see it and that's what it is. earth used to look flat to the world, and we know it's round. so we have to keep educating. that's why aids health care foundation is such an important organization, and that we're having this great moment with janet, that we're talking with you right now. there's a cause for people's ears and eyes to be alert and

looking and hearing this. >> well, i am alert and hearing and looking and loving you, ms. debbie allen. you're such a legend and then you said dionne warwick, i got goosebumps because legends all. thank you for all that you do. thank you for being here with us tonight. >> thank you for speaking with us. god bless the world. >> thanks. and coming up, florida governor ron desantis may be regretting challenging california's gavin newsom to a live debate after the clobbering he took last night, but at least we got a heads-up on the crucial poop map app. i'll explain next. customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i would say that we're closer than the average mother daughter. hi mom! if i lost my mom.... i can't think about that for too long. i was like, "whoa, mom, i have this gene!"

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last night, fox held a debate between florida governor ron desantis and california governor gavin newsom. likely hoping that it would give desantis' flailing presidential campaign a much needed boost. but instead, it turned ouptd to be a complete train wreck for the florida governor that not even moderator sean hannity could save him from. the whole debate could be summed up by this one moment when desantis held up a poop map of san francisco, you heard that right, a picture of poop. believe it or not, it only went downhill from there. >> i'm the only guy here that's a border state governor. you're trolling folks and trying to find migrants to play political games so you can outtrump trump. by the way, how is that going for you, ron?

you're down 41 points in your own home state. and your immigration policy can best be described as a governor from the state of florida going into another state, the state of texas, lying to migrants, promising them jobs and housing, sending them to an island, martha's vineyard, and then sending them to a parking lot in sacramento, california. when are you going to drop out and give nikki haley a shot to take down donald trump in this nomination. she laid you out. you're a walking hypocrite, but there's one thing in closing we have in common, is neither of us will be the nominee for our party in 2024. >> ouch. joining me now is fernand amandi, democratic pollster and msnbc political analyst. you worked with far more political candidates than i have. i have done just two political campaigns. i would say i could probably advice maybe a thing you don't ever want to do is hold up a picture of poop and be

photographed holding a picture of poop. i feel like that's probably decent advice. what do you think? >> look, i think that ron desantis's campaign for president, joy, is in such death throes and they're so desperate that they risked the humil yalgz last night of facing off against one of the more talented spokespeople in the democratic party, just to be talked about again, to build some conversation, but that poop map prop fell flat. desantis looked so punch drunk that newsom had him like ron the elf on the shelf. he didn't have much to say. you could see those hits left some mark and on a week that looks like rock-bottom for his presidential campaign, joy. >> the sad thing about it is the poop, in a way, could've been putting, and he has an issue with putting and eating it with his fingers. you don't want to be

photographed with something that looks like poop or putting. gavin newsom wasn't wrong. donald trump is at 61 in florida, ron desantis is at 20, nikki haley's at nine, chris christie is at one. on top of that, his campaign is being described as a dumpster fire. some see can paintings are increasingly gloomy about their chances according to a person close to desantis. people increasingly think that it's over, a dumpster fire. even his campaign's poop. >> that's exactly right, there is massive turmoil from within, joy. they've now seen nikki haley passed them in polling. they've had, if any kind of a polling bounce, it's a dead cap bounce after the iowa governor endorsed them, it does no effect for the desantis campaign and to also see the last living -- brother say i'm going to go from desantis, i'm now in for nikki haley, that was a brutal setback for them. i do want to point out something for democrats watching, there was a tele-last night that i think we all saw,

i only wish gavin newsom had used it a little bit more. anytime he used trump's words to insult desantis, desantis had no response. you could tell that anytime he's using or someone uses trump's words to go after him, it rattles him and meets him. i think that something democrats should think about going forward. >> let me segue to him just for a moment to, we do know now there's some district -- tanya chutkan has denied two of trump's motions to dismiss is d.c. indictment. let me just read you what she wrote. the constitution's tech structure and history do not support the contention that he should be immune from prosecution, in his mind, due to double jeopardy, first amendment and presidential -- immunity, she said no, no, no, not on those grounds are in any other branch of government. not a president has ever accepted it, and this court will not so hold. whatever immunities a sitting president may not enjoy in the united states is only one chief executive at a time in this position does not have a

lifelong get out of jail free pass. i wonder how it impacts someone like desantis, who is running away from donald trump as much as he's running against him. if donald trump's legal jeopardy gets deeper. >> look, unfortunately, what we've seen, and this is the radicalized maga base that is the cult of personality today, the republican party, joy, they are not going to have trump pay a political price in this republican primary for further legal trouble. if anything, trump is doubling and tripling down on these legal threats and all these rulings that go against him to say that he's being martyred, he's being aggrieved by the justice system. i think to the a sentence -- it's that something happens to trump. also, he needs something to happen to haley, she's falling in third. >> let me very quickly ask you, what in the hell is going on in florida? florida -- kristen ziegler is under criminal investigation for allegations -- by sarasota police departments, ziegler leads the statewide republican party.

his wife brigitte ziegler helped start moms for liberty. -- sources close to the investigation say the woman allegedly seen the couple have been involved in a three-year-long consensual three way sexual relationship. msnbc has not confirmed that. he's the wife of the woman who's been leading the charge to get lgbtq content out of florida school books, and yet, at least according -- again, nbc news has been not confirmed it, she's in a three way, which means you know, she's or the b or q. >> it certainly means that kink is not partisan. we've seen that over the millennia, i think that will be the case going forward. i think you point out the right question, joy. we saw this actually in florida by fabiola santiago, who raises the question, how is it the woman that is going after the gay community is able to have sex with another woman and that be okay? so it's a flaming hypocrisy here, in fact, governor desantis, i think, just moments ago or hours ago, called for the resignation of ziegler. so this is florida florida-ing

again when it comes to what's happening here. but it certainly a problem for the republican party in a state where the hypocrisy is on display again for the nation. >> yeah, he's fine with her banning books, but if she can't get it around, she's got a. go perfectly desantis. okay fernand, great for you to stick around, because he won the week, we'll see if he even gets the right answer. after the break. eak. >>

>> you know what time it is. it's time to play our favorite game. yes, who won the week. back with me, fernand amandi, fernand, who won the week? >> joy, roslyn carter and jimmy carter, one of the great couples in american history, reminding us with decency, what piece, what mental health importance is, that focused, perhaps two of the greatest americans in history, unquestionably for me, the winners of the week. >> yeah, god bless them. what a wonderful, wonderful love story. my pick, robert de niro. played the tape. >> the beginning of my speech

was edited, cut out, i didn't know about it. and i want to read it. history isn't history anymore. truth is not truth. even facts are being replaced by alternative facts. and driven by conspiracy theories and a glaze, ugliness, in florida, young students are taught that slaves developed skills which could be applied for their personal benefit. the entertainment industry is not immune to this festering disease. >> don't mess with de niro. -- not nice. robert de niro on the week. but also the colors on the week. and i think my santa also in the wake. thank you fernand amandi, my friend, that's tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes, what did you say? it starts now. it does. it starts now. w. >> tonight on all in. >> i don't talk about anything. you know why? because i'm allowed to do whatever i want.