going through the 90s, and they were out there really pushing for the carter center. and he says this, he says i wasn't the sharpest kid, so the rule of my family, if you didn't get a's, you had no tv. so i said i didn't have tv. so mom -- >> because he never got is? >> that's what he was saying. so he said i was stuck with mom, or mom was stuck with me. so they had a lot of time together, is what he said. so although he's careful to say i'm the favorite, but not really, they have a special bond. >> maybe he should be spending it with his mom, he just wanted to spend time with his mom. >> he did well. >> thank you, i appreciate it, that wraps up. i will be back in the chair tomorrow, two pm eastern, right here on msnbc. simone starts right now. simone starts right now. >> greetings everyone, you are watching simone. we are following your turmoil in the, israel-hamas war. attacks on gaza have resumed in

full force, and the idea of just minutes ago said that millions of israelis are running for cover. this, after israel pulled its negotiators from talks in qatar, hamas and israel are blaming each other for the collapse of a weeklong truce. what u.s. leaders are saying about that today. now, where does this leave families of hostages waiting for loved ones to return? i will ask one woman who was recently reunited with eight family members held by hamas. one of her uncles is still in captivity. plus, he is out, he is not going quietly, and the 24 hours since being expelled, george santos lashes out against former house colleagues with his removal for the republican party, and the balance of power within the house. and in the spotlight, grammy award-winning music icon, dion warwick, is here. that's right, you, all the internet's favorite anti-joins us later this hour. i'm simone sanders thompson, and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

he may no longer be walking the halls of the capitol but the former congressman, george santos, is not going quietly. since this expulsion from congress yesterday, he has been on a social media rant. santos railed against his former colleagues until the early hours this morning, vowing to file complaints with the office of congressional ethics against at least four house members, calling won a quote, dirty, a dishonourable swamp creature. this comes after 311 u.s. congress members, including more than 100 republicans voted to send the new york republican packing. >> two thirds voting in the affirmative, the resolution is adopted, and a motion to reconsider is later on the table. the chair announces to the house that in light of the expulsion of the gentleman from new york, mr. santos, the whole number of the house is now 434.

>> with the boom of that gavel, santos began the sixth member of congress in the body's 234 year history to be expelled by his peers. as a member of the house, there are 27 members of congress at large who have been expelled, a number of those are senators. , now all of this comes after a damning ethics committee report, accusing santos of stealing from his campaign. santos is also facing nearly two dozen federal charges related to wire fraud, credit card fraud, and identity theft. the locks to his office or not the only thing changing as a result of this vote, the republican majority is now even slimmer. here was the immediate reaction from lawmakers after the vote unfolded. >> this was not an issue of party. it was not an issue of the majority. it was an issue of right versus wrong. and putting the country first. it was unfit to serve. >> the president until today has always been that a member

has to be found guilty in a court of law, or have fought for the confederacy, that was the president, that was the standard, and that has been eroded today. >> but if the president is that he will either have to have a finding like this in an ethics report, or a criminal conviction, no one should be worried about precedent because you only have that when the conduct is as egregious as george santos. >> look, folks, george santos was elected under false pretenses. underlies. and according to the ethics committee report, he used campaign donations for shopping sprees, funded by supporters who took him at his word. his allies may know that in our justice system, every defendant is in fact innocent until proven guilty. but that system entitles defendants to due process. not to a seat in the united states congress. after a thorough investigation more than two thirds of santos's colleagues decided that he was unfit for office, and voted to expel him with a procedure explicitly laid out in the united states constitution. good riddance, okay?

but there is another matter at hand that we must discuss because the vote kicked into motion a special election for new york's third congressional district, which george santos formally represented. that election could give democrats more leverage in the house not for a sneak peek into 2024. and under new york law, governor kathy hochul is required to declare a special election within ten days of the vacancy. an election that must happen within 70 to 80 days after that proclamation. and the special election? the special election will be competitive, folks. last year's midterms, santos's district was one of four seats in new york to flip to republicans. democrats won those races and flipped one seat we would be talking about a democratic house majority right now with the speaker, hakeem jeffries. with only a few months to mount a campaign, democrats and republicans alike are leery up for a race that could impact the balance of power in the house and foreshadowed the move of voters ahead in the 2024 election. because we have a special then

we have the 2024. we are gonna break this down a little more. joining me now is the chair of the new york state and nassau county democratic committees, jay jacobs. mister chairman, thank you very much for being with us today. there was a meeting that was scheduled last night among a new york democratic -- the meeting was to discuss strategy for the third congressional district. who participated in that meeting and what are the takeaways on the path forward? >> the next meeting, frankly, thank you for having me here, the last meeting was the initial screening where we spoke to and heard from different candidates who were interested in running for this. this morning we had those extensive meetings and i had our nassau county team in. i was conferring, of course, with the congressman who is also the county chair in queens. queens has about 20, to 25% of the district. so we are putting together a

very robust and comprehensive campaign that is already begun and done some preliminary work. we are often running. >> what candidate qualities are necessary to flip the district? do you have a preferred candidate in mind? >> we are not ready to talk about preferred candidates, there are a lot of people interested in it. several that i think are serious candidates that merit the series consideration. but i think we are looking for someone that is going to defend and promote the suburban way of life here in nassau county and in the northeastern corner of queens which is also fairly suburban and a certain sense. and i have to say, it has to be someone who is moderate, but definitely who has a progressive lean to him or her. but we are looking for a moderate that can really articulate ideas and the vision for this district that will resonate with the voters. >> so, let's talk about governor hochul. what conversations, if any,

have you had with her since yesterday's vote and when can we expect an announcement of that date for the special election? >> i think she is working expeditiously to get that organized in terms of the date. we've had conversations. the governor has been very clear, the governors and integral part of this decision we can process. she's the governor of the state of new york, i definitely will be conferring with her and i have been on who the replacement or the new candidate should be. and the third congressional district, she's made it very clear that she wants to make sure that we have the candidate that represents the values and principles of the democratic party. they will appropriately represent the district and the people of the third congressional and most certainly have the best chance of winning. because she's made it very clear that we have to win this and that is her charge to us. and we're gonna do just that. >> mister chairman, how did george santos get passed the voters in nassau county? you know, there's some great

journalism, that was done and the aftermath of santos being elected that talked about a number of the infractions and just the egregious conduct that the house ethics committee report laid out but it is also my understanding that some of this was known prior to george santos winning that race. >> yes. apparently, and from the county party position we didn't know it, but i would say to you that it was some of the information that was out not all of the information was not as large. you have to remember this and go back in time it is easy to look back and criticize folks about it. but george santos was never a serious candidate. george santos on neither side saw that's potentially winning this district. we saw a very strong republican wave come through nassau county very late. i think it is surprising the republicans as much as it surprised us. on the democratic side.

we got her vote out but of course i would say to you that the political environment at the time swept him in. and he had run before against tom suozzi who beat him. he was a joke and looked upon as somewhat of a clown, frankly. but, the voters have a different view, and i think that the results were that he got elected. >> you, know my grandma used to say, mister chairman you get a bit by the dog once, shame on the dog. you get bit by the dog twice, shame on you, we will be watching the voters of nassau county to see what they do. j.j., i appreciate your time, thank you for taking us off. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you. coming up, folks, fighting between israel and hamas again exploded after a shaky truce completely fell apart. we will have a live report from tel aviv after the break, then i will talk with a woman who had nine family members taken hostage by hamas. how she's doing now, eight of them have been released, but still holding out hope for one

who is still in captivity. but first, my colleague is here, our best, beat richard lui with today's other top news stories. richard, there's some disturbing things happening in the world today. tell us about them. >> good to see you this afternoon. there's unfortunately taryn homeless communities into major cities to tell you about today. first, of las vegas police are searching for a suspect who opened fire at a homeless encampment on friday, that killed one person injured four others. this comes as los angeles police are searching for a gunman who killed three homeless people, and in separate attacks there, the mayor warned the city's unhoused population not to sleep alone, and to seek shelter. an inmate has been charged with attempted murder accused of stabbing ex minneapolis police officer, derek chauvin, 22 times inside of the tucson arizona prison. chauvin is serving decades behind bars for murdering george floyd in 2020. the man accused of attacking chauvin as a former gang leader and fbi informant.

prosecutor say that he told investigators that he targeted chauvin because of his notoriety. and there is new concerns over rise in child pneumonia. officials in ohio are saying that they are seeing an unusually high number of cases there but they say that there are not concerned that it is part of another international outbreak. this comes as a type of pneumonia is reaching near a pandemic levels in denmark and has led to a surge in hospitalizations in china as well. lawrence simone, right after this break. running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. the subway series? it's the perfect menu lineup. just give us a number, we got the rest. number three? the monster. six? the boss. fifteen? titan turkey. number one? the philly. oh, yeah, you probably don't want that one. look, i'm not in charge of naming the subs.

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house official tells nbc news that israel have said that it will renew the temporary pause as soon as hamas agrees to release the remaining young women and all women it is holding for the terms of the deal negotiated in qatar. the last hour the israeli defense forces said that millions of israelis were running for cover after a raid sirens were heard in tel aviv.

this, after israeli fighters resumed strikes on gaza after the breakdown of a weeklong truce on friday. that truce secured the release of more than 100 hostages held by hamas and 240 palestinian prisoners held in israel. according to the hamas-run ministry of information, more than 200 people have been killed in gaza in the past 24 hours since the temporary agreement dissolved. earlier today, prime minister benjamin netanyahu directed a team from israel's intelligence agency to withdraw from talks in qatar. israeli officials are saying that the negotiations were at an impasse. in a press conference earlier this afternoon, netanyahu said that the fighting would continue until israel achieved all of its objectives. earlier today, vice president kamala harris reiterated the u.s. administration support for a two-state solution >> and spoke about the future of the region in dubai and cop28. take a listen. take a listen.

>> we support israel's illegitimate military objectives to illuminate the threat of hamas. as israel defends itself, it matters how. the united states was unequivocal, international humanitarian law must be respected. too many innocent palestinians have been killed. frankly, the scale of civilian suffering on the images and videos coming from gaza are devastating. >> joining me now is nbc news correspondent, david noriega. david, i do understand that you and the team had to take cover last hour. can you tell us what is going on now? >> after a week of rest but the war has resumed with full intensity. we have to take shelter here in the last hour. of course i think that the worst of the fighting is happening in gaza.

in terms of the diplomatic situation at this point, it seems highly unlikely that there will be a renewal of any kind of cease-fire or truce or even negotiations in achieving one. israel pulled its negotiating came out of doha, and they will not enter new negotiations until israel stops its military campaign and gaza. given what we are hearing from israeli authorities, it is extremely unlikely to happen. from where i am standing on the ground right now, especially given the statement that we heard from the idf, this would be a long war. i think that we could probably expect this round of hostilities to last for sometime. simone? >> david, israel is now telling the people living in gaza to evacuate in parts of southern gaza. how are residents reacting? >> that is a very good question. it's important to know that 7

million people were already displaced from the northern part of gaza and the southern half. since the fighting renewed in the last two days, a lot of israeli airstrikes have been and were concentrated in the south where all those people were already displaced. we have teams on the ground we've been recording interviews for people in the last couple of days. i wanna play you a couple of clips from those interviews and i will talk a bit more about what we heard them saying. take a listen. >> i call this so next to my son. i mean a minute later, my son would've been dead. can you see it? it weighs 13 pounds. it's metal. >> we are civilians. we are from the north to the south. then they came after us in the south. >> simone, according to the health ministry angles that the vast majority of the casualties both since the beginning of the conflict and in just two days are civilians.

the idf says that it doesn't target civilians. they say that they target only hamas infrastructure, and militants and any civilian casualties are hamas's fault. they cite for example, the fact that they are giving civilians in southern gaza detailed plans to evacuate. but as you've just heard, people in gaza believe that there is nowhere safe for them to go. many of them had to evacuate once or twice, what we hear from people on the ground in gaza is that they feel that there is no safe harbor. simone? >> all right. nbc's david noriega, thank you very, very much. the collapse of the temporary truce means more anguish, and more uncertainty for the loved ones of more than 100 hostages still being held captive by has. my next guest saw eight of her family members released over the course of this truce. but her uncle, a 38-year-old father of two, it is still believed to be in hamas custody. another three of her relatives were killed in hamas's october 7th attack on israel.

she read joins me now. sharon, thank you for being here today. i just want to start with saying that our hearts are with you, and with your family, and what i know is a difficult time. i just cannot imagine. can you share with us what the past few days have been like for you and your family members who were released? >> of course. thank you for having me tonight. the past couple of days have been complicated because on the one hand, obviously we are relieved to see six of my family members coming out now, adding to the two that were out before. so we are relieved. but we can't celebrate yet, because as you said, my cousins husband is still held captive in gaza and the two young kids are here and as you can imagine,

it's very difficult the transition between 50 days in captivity to this reality where they do not have their father to cope with after the trauma. so we have to still keep working and fighting to save him and all the other 136 hostages that are still kept in gaza. we can't really rest, we can mourn over the death, we have to keep working because it should be the top priority right now even though there's a lot of emotions, obviously. >> there are so many emotions here. i'm wondering, obviously we are reporting that talks have broken down between israel and hamas. these negotiations and the question is what does it mean for the remaining people in captivity. have you hea anything from the israeli government? >> we did not hear anything yet and we are obviously watching the news like the rest of the world.

for us, it is obviously devastating because we need to be alongside all of the rest of the hostages as soon as possible and now it is already being so long. some families have not been so lucky like us to receive some. some families are waiting for 57 days not having a sign of life from their loved ones. and the negotiation, should be on again as soon as possible. alongside all of the other problems. in addition to seeing the war, i was in the shelter a few hours ago. seeing the south of israel from gaza, it is devastating to see so much suffering everywhere, and for us we just want to save whoever we can still save. so focus on the living and not the death tolls that are rising all the time. for us, it is horrific, and we

do not want to live like this. it is just unbearable. >> i think that there is a lot out there on social media especially about this war and the people who have been released with the conditions under which they were being held hostage. i'm wondering if any members of your family have described their time in hamas's captivity to you all. if you could share maybe just a little bit of what they've told you? >> so, obviously i cannot share a lot because it's still being investigated and there is on the background as well, they came back and on the one hand, they are the same people that i remember. strong people, amazing people, the il are so sweet and just themselves. but on the other hand they came back weekend, and they seem

older, and they were held in neglecting conditions. you can actually see that on them. a three year old girl that you see in the picture came back whispering like many other kids who had to whisper in captivity for those reasons. they had there and you can see the trauma on them that obviously has to unfold over the past very long time. so you can see that they've been through something. and to discover not only that the child is not here, but the father of the family has been my uncle was murdered that day, so coming back, it is just an impossible situation. yeah. >> it is an impossible situation. it is harrowing, it is heartbreaking, and there are so

many families who unfortunately have the shared experience in the few seconds i have left, i'm just wondering if there is a message that you and the other surviving family, the family members who still have the family held in captivity, there is a message that you have for folks out there? >> i think our message has been all along to put the hostages on top priority and bring them back home. this is all that we ask for. this crazy political frustration that we are here and in my region this topic should be standing out as a humanitarian crisis. amid this deadly war. these people should come home. they are innocent civilians. and i think people should talk about it more and share stories. share their faces. you know, read about us. so our interviews. be with us, because we need

that. we are people of peace, my family are from the place that donated money for civilians in gaza bunches to work in the kibbutz -- but they kept paying their salary. these people still want this and i see one piece but first we need to get them home and it is very important for our future here and for our obviously futures as a private family and we need all the help that we can get, definitely. >> thanks for your courage and your voice and speaking out. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> we will be right back, everyone. >> we will be right back everyone everyone what happened?

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hearings often deteriorate into partisan performances, but this particular week, we saw a disturbing attempt by republican senators to pass off a racist ideology as fact, when the actual facts didn't support his narrative. i'm talking a republican senator, jon kennedy of louisiana, he was confronted with the high firearms death rate in his home state during a senate judiciary committee hearing on gun violence after you asked the dean of yale school of public health white chicago, illinois, quote, has become america's largest outdoor shooting range. okay. instead of offering solutions, senator kennedy did what some republican lawmakers do best, point fingers, make baseless

claims, and dodge accountability. ticketless and. >> why do you think that chicago has become america's largest outdoor shooting range. do you think that it is because of chicago's citizens who have no criminal record but who have a gun in their home for protection, or perhaps for hunting? or do you think that it is because of a fine night group of criminals that have rap sheets as long as king kong's arms? >> mississippi, louisiana, and missouri actually have higher firearm death rates. -- >> what about chicago? >> i don't live in chicago.

>> you don't have an opinion on that? >> i think it's easy access to firearms combined with environmental conditions, lack of great education, there have actually been studies showing vacant lots and repairing abandoned buildings and urban neighborhoods. you see decreases in gunshots and violence as well as and stress and depression in the neighborhoods around them. >> no disrespect, doc, but that sounds a lot like word salad to me. >> they sounded like a committee hearing from the 90s. they got him together and spoke the truth because the data shows that senator kennedy's home state of louisiana does in fact have a higher firearms death rate than chicago. according to data from the cdc, nine of the top states with the highest firearm mortality rates in 2021, including louisiana, you know, they actually voted for donald trump. my question is, mister senator, where is your data? were you getting your numbers from? people are dealing with the gun

violence epidemic everywhere in this country. it is the number one killer of our children. that's why the united states congress should be doing something about it. frankly, that is why the democrats and the senate were holding the hearing in the first place! but sadly when senator kennedy made these racist claims, he's spreading a racist lie, that crime and gun violence are happening because of black and brown people. these are racist comments. these are lies. these are comments that are not rooted in any truth. and frankly for me, they show that donald trump is not the only problem with the modern-day republican party. we walk around, we want to believe that donald trump is the only issue, that he is the biggest danger, and that donald trump just is barred from winning the republican nomination, or winning reelection, that all will be well in the world. but no. the senate, folks, it's supposed to be the biggest deliberative body in the country and conservative republicans who share racist ideas like senator kennedy, they are a blemish on its

reputation. a blemish on the party, and that is a conversation that we should also be having. coming up next, another week, another embarrassment for, drumroll, house republicans. who ousted george santos from the house making the right majority even slimmer. what kind of impact will this have going forward? plus, who was the big winner of the big gavin newsom, ron desantis debate? was there even a winner? should this debate have happened? we're gonna get into all of this in my political panel, next. this in my political panel next next get the rest to be your best with non-habit forming zzzquil. ♪ ♪ >> to give you a sense of

congress today, and what it represents for the american people, and represents chaos. chaos -- >> that is expelled congressman, george santos, telling a little truth on capitol hill. yes, chaos is a word that we've used to describe what is happening in the house on the question now is, could the chaos get worse? the house has one less member

shrinking an already fractured and some republican majority. and to be clear, it is not just chaos in the house. it is also chaos happening on the debate stage. but not the republican primary debate stage on thursday, fox news hosted a 95 minute debate filled with conspiracy theories, leaving some insults, and it was a red state, a blue state debate with florida's ron desantis and his political opposite, california governor, gavin newsom. he is a front runner in the race for his party's nomination. he made that clear by debunking right wing -- about his alleged shadow campaign. >> there are profound differences tonight that i look forward to engage in but there is one thing in closing that we have in common. neither of us will be the nominee for a party in 2024. >> joining me now to discuss is my political panel. former congresswoman of illinois, and former republican congressman, charlie dent of pennsylvania. good to see you both.

let's start with the george santos expulsion. because some people might say that it is nice to, you know, see republicans finally stand up to a member of their own party. but congressman, is in george santos just low hanging fruit? he shouldn't, i personally believe that he shouldn't have taken a house ethics committee report for george santos to be removed and it makes me think about all the times that many members like kevin mccarthy for example didn't stand up to donald trump. >> i served as chairman of the house ethics committee and i had to deal with a lot of these situations where members caught themselves in serious trouble. and the reason why that there's only been five expulsions as because when members like santos who brought shame and discredit upon themselves, their families, and their constituents, they usually have the good sense of judgment to resign. of course, santos seems to be operating without a functional brain, and he chose to have himself expelled. that is very unusual.

i could get the whole argument that we don't like to set precedence but this ethics report was so damning and it was done on a basis with michael guest, susan wild, david joyce, i think we all lead this investigation. they put forward a thoughtful bipartisan report that clearly demonstrated that santos have been stealing campaign funds and other misdeeds. so they did what they had to do. i'm surprised the vote was not larger. but this is very good riddance, and it is important for the institution to cleanse itself of characters like this. as i said, most times people would resign rather than go through the humiliation of expulsion. >> george santos was very clear. he said over and over that he was not going to resign. so congresswoman, the republican majority when they first came into this, it was the same majority that then speaker nancy pelosi had. now, the majority will be even

slimmer that santos has been expelled. do you think that the house will be as unproductive as over now? do you think there's any advantage for democrats here to maybe strike some deals to work with republicans to get some things done? >> i don't think that the republicans are willing to strike any deals. they've only lost one right now, and as i was watching that clip of george santos, i was thinking of all of the nerve, he's talking about congress being chaotic. he is a guy who let all of the chaos that he could have to that body. i think that simone, i don't think it's going to get any better or any worse. but here is the sad part about it. i think two points worth making, first of all, what kind of electorate would send a guy like george santos to congress? first of all, it was all based on a lie. but then when you go out a little bit wider, who would send lauren boebert to congress? who would send marjorie taylor greene to congress?

we really have to look at the electorate and what we are going to do going forward. the new york voters will have another chance probably somewhere around mid february to elect somebody who will truly represent them. but for the time being they've only lost one extra vote if we elected the democrat that would make it even tighter, for speaker johnson, but the other second point worth making is the fact that the republican-led congress has passed about three times less the number of bills that have been signed into law that the democrats did in the last first year of the session. so it is unproductive and it is not serving the american public well. so when people go to the polls it is very important to know who they are voting for and who is going to be representing them. >> it is. i asked the chairman of the nassau democratic committee how did george santos get past the voters? he basically said the voters are going to have to make a better decision this time so we will see what happens in nassau county. i want to switch gears before i

let you all go, congressman, what did you make of this debate between governor gavin newsom and governor ron desantis this week? governor newsom is not running for president, ron desantis had previously challenged vice president harris to a debate. she said there's nothing to debate and governor newsom, i frankly think that he embarrassed ron desantis last night. but what do you think? >> i thought that the whole debate was a bit odd, to be honest. i think that newsom said something was correct that neither he nor governor desantis would be the nominees of their party. so that really raises the question, why bother having this debate? it seemed like an undercard fight for what, i am not sure. it was an undercard fight, on the main event, it is certainly not going to have any impact on the republican primary for president. i just think this was a way for elected officials to bring attention to themselves, for maybe whatever their ambitions are. maybe desantis wants to be the

gop nominee. whatever newsom says. if biden were to stumble and maybe he would step in themae hg himself up for the tu. >> well, well, well, i didn't watch but i e clips. former congressman, thank you, thank you veh. coming u fks, i have my conversation with musicon, and her sond elott. who is a musical talent in his own right. we will talk about how she feels about being a -- and i asked the question a lot of minds, does she actually write her own beats? her answer after the break. her answer after the break her answer after the break

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title of social media queen. in case you didn't know, dion warwick runs her own social feed. she has quite a few notable tweets, including one about chance the rapper. she wrote quote, if you are very obviously a rapper, why did you put it in your stage name? and another on january 8th, 2021, two days after the january 6th attack on the capitol, she reminded everybody of her new years post that said, please do not bring that foolishness into 2021. well, she is a well respected artist and everyone's favorite internet on tv, she's also the mother of two sons. one of her sons, damon elliott, has carried on his mother's legacy through his work for their record label and foundation. he's also produced for artists like pink, missy elliott, as well as movies like men in black with will smith. the mother and son are in washington d.c. this week for the 46th annual kennedy center honors. dion warwick is being recognized for impact on american culture through music. it's warwick also has the stage

at the tree lighting on thursday, and i had the opportunity to sit down with anti dion and cousin damon this week, and i began our conversation by asking the iconic singer how it feels to be one of the community centers honorees. here's what she told me. >> i must say, it has been a long time coming. and it is about time. but it is good to be honored and be recognized for the 62 years of music that i've been able to give you. it is quite exciting. really is. very much appreciated. >> my goodness. damon, you are also a force with which to be reckoned. now, you have had a long career so you've managed many of the greats, worked with so many people, how is it working with and managing with your mother? is this a kris jenner situation? >> no, not quite, it is awesome

to be able to work with family and i've studied my mom for many, many years. she said how long do you think i've been on tv? i said you are right, before i was born. so i get those reminders that i am her son. even though i do handle her and she trusts me. we just have a lot of fun. can you imagine? mom is a riot. we are having a good old time. >> you'll warehousing a great time. i, mean you've done amazing work, you have a gospel duet that is up for a 2024 naacp award nomination, what is it called? so, there is also a collaboration that you collaborated with dolly parton. so you all have pieces like a river. when it comes to putting these projects together, what is the process here? you come up with something and say okay, i got this, we've got to do this and i've been in a couple meetings, and are you like, okay, no? >> it's always --

i do trust him. and i think that he has learned over the years of being around me, and quite a few others, the process. so i have no reservations about saying, maybe, maybe not. when it comes to the project. and i know it is a good one. >> she gives not look, you know? this is mom, so i kind of know going into the gate what i'm going to get, so i will approach it lightly. sometimes a look at her, and say maybe not, we'll move on to the next. but for the most part, pretty much i bet everything that i bring to her and make sure that it is on level with where she is in her -- because she is obviously legendary, so i have to bring the a game, you know? and everybody that is around us, all of my co-writers, all of my

co-producers, we all step up and we get ready to prepare stuff for mom. >> 63 years is a long time. there are people who've been in the game for a while. they are not putting out new music. i think that that is amazing that you have the gospel song, you've got the duet with dolly parton, and frankly, you -- you are what the people like to say, you are the internet's favorite on tv. so much so that before you came to the studio today, my team were like, did you know that she is related to whitney houston? i was like yes, in what world? but they know you from twitter. so how has it been a whole new generation of fans of people who love you who have found out about your career and music through social media? >> it has been absolutely wonderful. i did it as, you know, let me just see what this is all about. and i did it also to find out why these youngsters were bashing each other, and saying all kinds of crazy things, that

they know that they should not be saying. and i found my niece, she showed me how to do twitter. which i was calling to water, and she did. and my entry into twitter was basically, as a grown-up -- and she does not play these kinds of games. so, let us get to the point, we are now going to take time to think about what we're going to be writing on these things, and how are going to be talking to each other, and we are going to always end it with a smile. >> always ended with a smile. so you do all your own tweeting? the people would like to know. >> sure does. >> they don't know me, apparently. >> before i let you go, this biopic, it has been confirmed that diana taylor is going to play you in the bio pick. what can you all tell me about

this film? when is that coming, out and there is nobody better than kiana taylor. she's probably a cousin twice removed. i knew it. >> i call her a sister. she looks so much like mom, like a younger mom. i mean, when i called mom, i said mom, you have to check out tiana taylor. she said i know. and she said -- i was very nervous, because i said she looks like you. and she said wow, she really does. i said mom, they were around the same age, and i said this is who needs to play you. and we developed the show, and we needed to make it happen. so we are in development right now. we will be in production very soon. >> fingers crossed, can't wait to see it. my thanks to miss dion warwick and damon elliott for that conversation. congratulations again on the kennedy center honors. and thank you all out there for

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