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we have lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer. let's get started. intensifying strikes -- israel's offensive in southern gaza is back in full force overnight with repeated rounds of shellings as more humanitarian aid makes its way into the ravaged gaza strip. we are live in israel with the latest. plus, the forgotten hostages -- we are shining a spotlight on the tie and filipino nationals released by hamas at this week and why they are not getting much media attention. no kings in america -- trump imperial immunity claims shot down by the d.c. federal judge overseeing his 2020 election interference trial. you won't believe what the front runner has to say about democracy and authoritarianism while on the campaign trail. we are going in-depth on it all. later, between life and death -- nearly 20 years after the bitter battle over terry schiavo which put the right to die movement in the national spotlight, we are going to go

inside a new msnbc documentary retracing the death debate. all of that and more is coming out. a good sunday morning to you all. i am katie phang. we begin this morning with the latest on the israel-hamas war. the israeli military has widened its evacuation orders for civilians in gaza as they expand their offensive in the southern half of the territory. heavy bombardments were reported around gaza second largest city and the city of rafah. in an address saturday, prime minister benjamin yahoo vowed to continue the war until israel achieves, quote, all its goals. the head of the world health organization reiterated his call for a permanent cease-fire, though, saying the heavy bombardment of gaza was petrified. he said a w.h.o. team visiting a hospital in southern gaza yesterday found it three times

over its capacity with some patients receiving care on the floor, screaming in pain. meanwhile, yesterday, humanitarian aid trucks entered from egypt into gaza for the very first time since the temporary truce ended on friday, bringing food, medicine, water, and 30,000 gallons of fuel. joining me now, msnbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez is live from tel aviv with more. thank you so much for joining us. can you tell us what the latest is on the israeli offensive in the southern part of gaza and what is going on with the civilians seeking safety there? >> well, katie, palestinian civilians are telling us they have nowhere left to run at this point. it was just weeks ago israel was telling them, if you leave the north and go to southern cities like khan younis, they will be safe. they are now being told they need to get out of khan yunis because israel is targeting in that area. our team inside gaza spoke to one mother who really

illustrates this point. her name is fatma. she said she took her children from a refugee camp all the way up in northern gaza and brought them down to khan younis, thought that they would be safe down there, and instead her son mohammed was killed in an israeli airstrike. the hamas-run health ministry says that he is one of more than 700 people who have been killed since that cease-fire broke out on friday. that is on top of the 15,000 or so who were killed in the first seven weeks of the fighting. we are hearing reports from inside gaza that ground forces are operating in khan yunis now. that would be a major added element. we have asked the israeli military about that. they are not commenting at this stage. here in israel, there was a rally last night where crowds gathered in support of the hostages and they heard it testimonials and recorded

videos who were freed during the last week or so. she was pinching herself trying to see if she could wake up from the nightmare she was living through. we spoke to an american woman. her name is irish weinstein. both the four american parents were taken from a kibbutz into gaza on october 7th. she is telling us she now believes that her father is dead but she says it is absolute agony not knowing what is happening with her mother judy who was an elderly woman. she's someone who fit the criteria to be released in these swaps over the last week but never emerged from gaza. irish says she thinks it is possible that her mother is in the hands of a smaller faction that hamas has not been able to reach or it is possible that her mother is dead. she just doesn't know at this point. the prospects of revitalizing this truce are looking pretty remote at this point.

israel pulled its negotiators out of qatar yesterday and hamas is now saying that there will be no further exchanges until the war is over. katie? >> unbelievably heartbreaking. rough sanchez, as always, thanks for being here in please day safe. this week, 17 thai hostages taken by hamas were greeted by their friends and family as they returned back to their home country. these farmworkers are among 23 tie in asheville streets so far since the october 7th attack during a separate agreement needed by qatar with the six remaining in israel due to medical issues. ty officials say another nine thai hostages are still held in gaza by hamas. this week saw the second of two filipino hostages who were also well the stories of israelis. hostages grab the majority of the headlines, the stories of the four workers who helped fu the economy in israel

largely remain on her. before the october 7th attack, about 30hai nationals were working in israel rgely as farmworkers. according to the philippines foreign ministry, about 30,000 filipinos live and work in the country, many as caregivers who look after the elderly, the ill, and those with physical disabilities. jointly now is rebecca tan, southeast asian bureau chief for the washington post. rebecca, i am grateful for you to join me today. i felt like it was important to talk about these filipino and thai workers who were not only taken hostage but have been a part of the israeli country and what they have been doing their. can we start off by talking about some of those who have been freed so far? about so>> definitely. i appreciate you taking the time to spotlight these workers as well. like you pointed out, there were more than 30 thai workers

who were taken hostage. they were killed in the attacks. by nationality, they were the second largest group of hostages who were taken. they have occupied very little space in the overall discussion and the negotiations between the hostage releases. you are right. these workers have been a significant part of the israeli economy for a long time. their families, with the release of these hostages, it has come as an extreme relief to them. many of them in the initial weeks had to wrap their heads around what was going on, what had happened to their sons and to their brothers, and then they had to endure weeks where they felt quite helpless. in some instances, the governments have felt quite helpless. it's an important story. i appreciate you highlighting their experience. >> rebecca, you mentioned a minute ago that the release of

these particular hostages, the thai and filipino hostages, was done separately from the release of the others. do you know why that took place in that way? >> that's what we have heard so far. to be honest, there's not extreme clarity on how these negotiations occurred. the thai government as well as thai muslim leaders -- there is a sizeable muslim population in thailand, about 5% to 7%. they have said that they took the initiative to establish content with hamas and the governments of egypt, qatar, the moment this happened to try to negotiate the release of their workers. i think it highlights as well the reason why they or were separate negotiations. they have been caught up in a geopolitical issue that they are not really a part of. they did not intend to be a part of that. until today, a lot of people in

thailand are wondering how they got drawn into this. i think that is the possibility of a second truck of negotiations which was led by thai leaders directly with governments of the middle east to try to get their people and their nationals home. >> as we have discussed, there are tens of thousands of these nationals from the philippines and thailand who live and work in israel. do you know why they left their home countries to try to come to israel in order to work and live? >> yes. most of the hostages that have been released, the vast majority of workers in thailand actually come from the same regent. it's the most impoverished part of the country. it's predominantly agricultural. all of these workers, all of these predominantly young men are going to israel in search of a better work opportunities. they work at strawberry farms and avocado farms in israel because they can earn four or

five times what they are able to earn a back home. it's a massive economic opportunity for them. we have seen even after the outbreak of violence that thailand's prime minister has pleaded to return home to safety. there are still tens of thousands of those workers who do not want to come back. they want to stay in israel. they want to keep working. it provides an economic lifeline for their families that they can't access back home. many of the people who have since evacuated say that they want to return the moment they can, the moment it seems it is possible for them to return, they want to go back. >> rebecca tan, thank you for joining me. i thought it was important to highlight another group, another group of people who were taken hostage on october 7th who maybe have not been spotlighted as much as some of the other hostages. thank you for being here.

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presidential primary debate is this wednesday. it is expected to have the smallest debate stage yet. only three candidates will take the stage, eluded former south carolina governor and u.n. ambassador nikki haley, florida governor ron desantis, an entrepreneur, that's a title, vivek ramaswamy. once again, the top republican

nominee, the twice impeached, quadruple indicted former president donald trump will be there. while more people grow concerned about trump's radical and autocratic plans to overthrow democracy should he achieve a second term, he's still projecting onto the others what he wants to do. >> joe biden is not the defender of american democracy. joe biden is the destroyer of american democracy. it is him and his people. >> here with me on set is danielle moodie, host of the daily beast new abnormal podcast and the co-host of the democracy-ish podcast. it sounds like you and i need to do a podcast because you don't do enough. we are grateful that you are joining us today. i want to start with the speech that we heard. i chose not to hear it. i'm hearing it selectively in iowa. president biden is the destroy of american democracy. he said it democrats want to destroy your social media and

cars and dishwashers. he didn't include windmills, which is good. i was going to ask you what this means. it doesn't really mean anything, great? >> it doesn't. donald trump is continuing his campaign of projections. everything that he says about joe biden's things that he says himself he will do. he is running his campaign of retribution, right? he's going to indict those that are against him if he becomes president again. he's going to throw them in jail. he wants to shut down to this network. he said msnbc must go. he is telling us everything that he wants us to do. he's saying it out loud. this time, unlike 2016, we need to believe him. what is really important here is that every single time that he says something about joe biden, we need to ask ourselves, what have we seen over the last few years under the biden administration? we have seen him tackle a

pandemic, provide vaccines for the american people. we have seen him tackle an economy that the prior administration tanks. we've seen him added more jobs that the prior administration tanked. everything that he says about joe biden, a man that is only 36 months older than him, by the way, is something that we know joe biden has shown himself and proven himself to be capable of, to take this country in the direction that it needs. donald trump tells us every single time he opens his mouth what he plans to do, which is to finish the hijab on our democracy. >> we heard what the biden harris administration has done and done well through gavin newsom. there was that random debate that popped up between gavin newsom and ron desantis. i know a lot of people were pooh-poohing it before it happened, but when i watched it, i thought it was refreshing. it reinforce that ron desantis has a zero chance whatsoever. gavin newsom took on the mantle of being an effective surrogate

for the biden harris administration to talk about its accomplishments. was somebody listening? >> i was one of those people that was pooh-pooh in this entire debate. i thought to myself, why are we doing this right now? we need to focus on the presidential. i thought to myself as i watched gavin newsom just mocked the floor with ron desantis, why would the desantis team even agreed to this? why did they think this was a great idea? what it did for the democrats is give us the confidence to believe that we have a pipeline of candidates, that we do have talent in the wings to take our progress and our country forward. there been a level of instability in our vibe as a country. what gavin newsom did was tell us, no, we can, i'm doing it in california.

we can do this across the country. let me debunk one sentence at a time every thing that the republican party are doing. they won a national ban on abortion. they're coming after the lgbtq community. they are coming after a black people. they are coming after people of color. what could ron desantis say? >> all of his mumbling and robotics mile and weird laughter. >> he could not say it was not true. he had the receipts. kevin newsom showed up with the receipts that the democratic party needs to use for the next 12 months. >> what does it say that desantis has wasted a lot of time? you were asking what the campaign was thinking. clearly not much because desantis wasted 99 cities in -- we have serious problems in florida. he is doing that. is that simply because nikki haley is running behind donald trump in the numbers? is it because he actually

thinks that halle is an adversary versus ron desantis who is not? >> every time he opens up his mouth, he does not provide us with anything. he doesn't have the oomph needed to be a presidential candidate. nikki haley, all of the money is going behind nikki haley right now. do i like nikki haley? i think she's not an authoritarian. do i think she would be good for the country. absolutely not. i don't want us to be fooled in a place where, oh, she is not that bad. she believes in all of the rhetoric that the republican party does. she just doesn't offer it with the same hateful zeal that donald trump does. i think donald trump is going after her because she is an easy target. she needs to dismantle the idea that she has any chance whatsoever. when you look at trump and her in comparison, the numbers,

give me a break. >> i got 30 seconds tops. i wanted to share something anecdotally. i spoke to an iowa gop or who told me you, as a democrat, you want trump to get the nomination. i looked at him and i was like, are you crazy? he said to me, hear me out for one second, he was like, biden can beat trump. biden has beaten trump and biden can beat trump. i thought about it for a hot second and i was like, you know what? does it make sense? does it make sense? >> no one wants donald trump as a candidate. nobody wants him to be the absolute rival to joe biden. two i think joe biden can beat him? i absolutely do, but i think that donald trump is dangerous and we should not play games with fire. >> i like that answer. that's why i have you here. danielle moodie, thank you so much for being here and happy holidays. good to see you, my friend. still ahead, is there a judge in america with the courage to kick donald trump off the ballot under the 14th amendment? elie yang says no. he will explain why after the

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no good, very bad week in court for the try -- on friday, a washington d.c. federal appeals court rejected trump's claim of presidential immunity, really that he can face lawsuits over his role on january 6th. that decision opened up the floodgates, clearing the way for a large number of lawsuits against the ex president to finally move forward for now. a few hours later, u.s. district court judge tanya chutkan deliver the knockout punch, ruling that trump's prior job does not give him a, quote, get out of jail free pass for his criminal acts on january 6th. joining me now is elie ying must all, justice correspondent the nation, the author of allow me to retort, in black guys guide to the constitution. it is always an honor to have you on the show.

when i teased your segment, and i'm going to start there even though i always love talking about presidential immunity with one of my favorite legal scholars, i want to talk to about this idea that the section three 14th amendment of the constitution could save us from donald trump but we will never get there because judges do not have, and i was going to use another word, but the courage to be able to do that for us. tell me why. >> yeah, if you think about what we are actually asking judges to do, it is to apply a section of the constitution that has not really been used as the civil war to kick the presumptive republican nominee off of the ballot. is illegal? yes. should they do it? of course. will they? as you said, who has the courage? who has the eternal fortitude to actually stand up there and kick this man off the ballot understanding all of the vitriol and hate, threats of violence which will come to them if they do that and then remember, what is the prize?

what's the prize for kicking trump off the ballot? it gets appealed to the supreme court were six conservative judges, three handpicked by trump himself, overruled the district court judge or the court panel which kicks him off the ballot. let's remember that it's not just one judge who has to kick him off the ballot. our election system is based on states rights. we had a federalized election system. to get him off of the ballot in any significant way, you have to do it in state after state after state after state. where are we finding these judicial heroes who are going to apply the constitution against this teapot dictator running for an endless presidency? it is not that they shouldn't do it. if you understand judges as human beings, fallible human beings, you understand that this is not ever going to happen. >> so, while you are speaking, we show donald trump in iowa last night.

he talked about in these lawsuits when he was railing against them. he talked about the fact of these 14th amendment lawsuits are going on. he claims that they have actually made him more popular. i have to ask you more of a philosophical question. this is an unintended consequence that we are seeing, these attempts to be able to apply existing constitutional law that could actually keep someone like this tea partier tater, as you call him, off the 2024 ballot. is the unintended consequence being such that he is gaining popularity? people are actually pursuing what is a lawful means to make sure that we do not have a dictatorship in 2024. >> i don't think so. i don't think he is becoming more popular because people are trying to apply the law against him. i think he is becoming more popular because he is openly defying the institutions of the law and he is facing no consequences. it's not that we are trying and

failing and that is what is happening. it's that we are refusing to do their job and he has been able to sit out there against the system and that is what is making him look stronger because of his open defiance. we are talking about taking him off the ballot. we can't get judges to tell this man to shut up. everyone understands if he wasn't donald j trump from queens but -- he would be in jail for threatening prosecutors, for threatening judges, for threatening clerks. he would be in jail if he were any other man or if he had a skin tone like me. we all understand that. his ability to say and do these things and not end up in the podium this what is making him look stronger than he is. the problem is not trying to pursue him to the fullest extent of the law. the problem is not pursuing him to the full extent of the law.

the problem is not making him the face of the consequences that any other person in this country would be facing for their actions. >> it's not just trump. it's trump judges as well. i want to pivot to what i think is a continuing important issue. that is the voting rights act and what happened in the eighth circuit court of appeals, gutting the idea that a private plaintiffs like the naacp or an individual would have standing, the ability to go to court to file the lawsuit and sustain their presence in court to seek relief. that was a trump appointed judge who made that initial ruling and that was sustained by the eighth circuit court of appeals. do we see the parallel track of trump appointed judges doing things? they think they are empowered to do so because the teapot dictator basically put them in the place to do so. >> trump judges are going to ruin the country whether trump gets elected or not. with this particular voting

rights ruling, think about your constitutional rights. your constitutional rights do not really mean anything if you can't sue the government. you know who understands that? the nra. you can't make a common sense gun law anywhere in this country without having private lawsuits fall down like a hail of bullets upon your legislation. that is -- whether that judge, whether that trump judge get that idea -- trump judges are not that smart. he got the idea from neil gorsuch. a couple of years ago, he basically said, i hope someone makes a ruling like this so i can support them. this is directly instructed to rule this way by a supreme court justice writing a concurrent opinion. he doesn't come up with it himself. this is why republicans have

worked so hard to take over the courts. on this particular point, it's not just trump. the thing, and i've talked about this before, the thing that links a reagan judged to a bush judge to a bush wga to a trump judge, the thing that they all share in common is that hatred for voting rights, that is how they are picked. that's what they are picked for. the questions that they asked are basically, do you hate women or voting rights? you get to have a judgeship if you do. that's why this is all coming together. they have already taken every shot they can. they have already taken every shot they can against the lgbtq community. this is the third leg of the stool. we understand that reproductive rights and lgbtq rights are popular. if you're going to take those rates away, you also have to

take away voting rights so people cannot oppose you at the ballot. that is what these trump judges are doing. >> i have to go, but i will part with this. that's why we have to vote in presidents that have appointments that we vote in senators and others that participate in the nomination of a process so that we don't get the judges that create -- >> that's why i'm a single issue voter. >> that third leg in this tool for america. elie ying mystal, grumpy elie, thank you for being here. i appreciate it. >> have a great morning. >> coming up after a, break florida as red tide -- life as a young person in ron desantis's florida and their fight for the future. you are watching the katie phang show, only on msnbc. the katie phang show, only on msnbc. phang show, only on msnbc. toms, like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath,

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are fighting back against a flailing presidential candidate ron desantis who also happens to be the governor of florida. just this week, hundreds of students, for example, stage a walkout at a high school in broward county in support of transgender athletes. the crowd poured on to the school's football field in protest after their principal was reportedly reassigned over allowing a transgender student to play on the girls volleyball team. this is the latest example

highlighting the surgeon youth activism within the sunshine state which islustrated in teen vogue's new series got hurried red tide. reporters from the publication traveled around florida, met with dozens of young floridians who are dealing with the realities of the governor's far-right policies. joining me now is a news and politics editor 18 vote. blacks, it's an honor to have you here. thank you for joining me. you have spearheaded the red tide series. we were talking before we started your interview about how you have spent time in florida. you've spoken to young people. you've spoken to young people from tampa to tallahassee in sarasota. a 21-year-old living in tallahassee said the obstacle is just living at this point. i, mean was that a common sentiment that you heard as you spoke to these young people? >> over and over and over again. it's interesting. when you think about the headlines that we see out of florida, they're very oriented around desantis or individual politicians or the architects

of the campaigns that he has been running. the man who is definitely to blame for the anti critical race theory hold on quote campaigns we have seen across the country for the last several years, he was appointed to become a part of the board of trustees for the new college of florida arizona. that has been a campus that we have seen a ton of headlines from out of florida this year. that's because they have created this amazing conservative takeover of an institution which is the smallest public college in florida. it's very small. what people said about it before this takeover happened was that it was the query's campus that you can think of. it was attractive to lgbtq students. when christopher ruffo took the position, he said that he was going to be part of fighting the feminization of the american university. they all sort of -- desantis, ruffo, people throughout the government of florida, they are all targeting as the real crime of america, the thing that is destroying

american society, the fact that there are queer entrance people who are able to join educational systems asked himself to not immediately be targeted or suppressed or condemned for that. specifically at new college, i say that because a quarter of the student body left between the 20 to 23 school year and the current academic here. the way that they have handled the drop in the student body is to create sports teams so they could aggressively recruit male students and offer them scholarships. this is public funds. this is state college. we give that example to say that even in the places in florida -- which have always existed for decades, queer people are not a new advent in florida whether or not that's how we talk about them, trans people as well, the people in florida are a part of desantis's campaign are doggedly and aggressively trying to intimidate young people, whether that's k-12

students as we saw in the example at the top or college students. we infantilism them either because they are just recently -- we see them as student loan burdens, the way we talk about gen z is if they are trying to spend their parents money or whatever, we completely dismiss the fact that these are 18 year old, 20 year old accessing health care for the first time in a state order and health care has been vastly criminalized. we talked about this before. the suggestion is that it focuses on young people, that is protecting kids. >> they're trying to protect kids but it's more nefarious. it is to advance a narrative which is, if you don't look like, me talk like me, act like mini, you're not welcome here. where are these young people fleeing to? discerning hope of them coming back to florida? >> this is a question i had to ask everyone i talked to. as you mentioned, i drove across several cities. i ended up having to go to

western massachusetts for one of the stories. with a new college in particular, at least 35 students transferred from new college of florida to hampshire college in western mass because they actually had to launch like a transfer program encouraging news students to come. so many professors and academics were really horrified by this disproportionate attack. one of the people i spoke to what hampshire, her name is libby, she's 20 years old. she was the student body president until she allegedly spat at kris ruffo at a protest in may. this is all publicly reported by the times. she was warned by the university that if she did not self select to remove herself she would be expelled and facing criminal charges for us all and would lose all of her campus responsibilities and also being a student body president unless she transferred herself to hampshire. this person who had never lived outside of florida before and is 20 years old just moved to massachusetts two weeks before the semester started.

she had to move her entire life to a place she has never been before. we now know western mass -- >> these are people who are young and smart, the futures of america who are now having to find safe havens. maybe they've never even lived outside of florida. they cannot be who they are. the biggest fear, i only have like 30 seconds left -- this is an important conversations. i want to have you come back and talk about it. the biggest fear i have is that this is not just centered in florida. it is a national dialogue because it is not just in our state. >> absolutely. what i will say before we go is that if you are looking at desantis and everyone he's doing, he's doing it to open the window for these things to happen in other states which is what we are seeing. if you look at how desantis is among the first governors to -- peace at the forefront of that.

these communities -- >> lex mcmenamin, thank you for being here. you are doing amazing work. i appreciate it. up next, the case that divided america, retracing the national conversation. the echoes the story of terry schiavo still has in our modern day culture wars. you're not going to want to miss this. you're not going to want t miss this. miss this. (vo) for a limited time, turn any iphone in any condition into a new iphone 15 pro with titanium and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon. i bought the team! kevin...? i bought the team! i put it on my chase freedom unlimited card. and i'm gonna' cashback on a few other things too... starting with the sound system! curry from deep. that's caaaaaaaaash. i prefer the old intro! this is much better! i don't think so! steph, one more thing... the team owner gets five minutes a game.

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legal right to die with dignity. >> if she dies, there is going to be held to pay. >> throughout this whole thing, terry schiavo became the poster child for every cause. >> reproductive choice and in the right to die, it's two sides of the same coin. >> a documentary is reexamining a florida case which invited a cultural date across america. terry schiavo was 26 years old when she went into cardiac arrest in her st. petersburg home in 1990. she suffered brain damage and was in a vegetative state until her death 15 years later. a bitter battle between her parents and her husband over whether to end her life played out in court for years. the dispute made its way to national headlines, involving state and federal politicians,

including then president george w. bush. schiavo's story for us to the nation to reckon -- a person has over their own death. joining me now, senior managing editor of politico anita kumar. covered the terri schiavo case while she was a reporter at the st. petersburg times. i need a, i am so glad you joined us. look, i grew up in florida. the terri schiavo case loomed large when i was there. why do you think, though, and hurray for local newspaper journalism, by the way, why do you think the case became such an inflection point for a bigger cultural debate? >> yeah, it's a great question. when i first covered it, it was an anonymous tip to go into the courtroom. i didn't know anything about it. i think the family drama there, with the case was about, lots

of other reporters started to come. it became such a bigger issue. we don't like to talk about it. who gets to make those decisions? it really became a political issue. everyone saw what they wanted to in this case and they used this case to push their own issues, whether that was antiabortion or right to life, right to die. there were so many issues at play here. everyone kind of used the case to show what they wanted to see. >> you know, anita, for those who did not know, then florida governor jeb bush actually enacted a law to have a feeding tube inserted for terri schiavo to continue her life. that law was deemed to be unconstitutional subsequently by the florida supreme court at the time. what did it say to you about the larger conversation about legislators, politicians getting involved in such personal choices like rated i? >> i would think that today

this would not be so unusual. we kind of have changed how we are about cases like this. at the time, it was so extraordinary that the florida legislature and the united states congress, the president of the united states would get involved in one case and passed laws and signed into law all of these things. it was just extraordinary. we could not believe what was happening, that one thing cap and after another. schiavo became a household name because of this case and what this showed us. this goes back to the politics. they used this case to advance their cause. that was not just republicans but we saw that a lot, you mentioned the president of the united states. the lobbying was so intense for them to get involved, for congress, the florida legislature to get involved. a lot of it was because of the antiabortion movement. they saw this case as a way to

talk about what they called the culture of light. it was not just about abortion. it was about disabled people, elderly people, and they used the case to push that narrative that they continued to push. >> to that point, i have less than a minute, what i wanted to ask you, anita, the pro-life or antiabortion movement got so involved in this, yet at the time and thereafter it was like seven out of ten americans believe that politicians and others, even doctors, they should not even be a part of the intimate decision to decide to do an end of a life decision. what does it say that we actually have not seen too much of a push in terms of legislation in other states? >> yeah, you are exactly right. there was a huge push right after this case and during this case. a lot of those bills did not go

anywhere. one thing that has come out of this -- this probably several things, but you did see a real focus on the judiciary on judges, not just on the supreme court like we always talk about, but judges across the country. people really emphasize that. this is sort of every day we see that criticism, especially with donald trump and some of his allies on his own trials. at the time, i don't think you saw that as much. it really got people thinking, look, it's not just the supreme court, but we need to really look at who is getting elected for some of these judges. >> anita kumar, thank you for being here. i invite all of you to please watch the documentary airing tonight that anita is featured in as well. thank you so much, anita, for being here. thanks to all of you for joining me this morning. i'll be back here next week and saturday and sunday at 8 am eastern. you can always keep up with us during the week by following at katie phang show on instagram, tiktok, and x, formerly known

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