into nbc tonight to watch the latest msnbc film called between life and death, cherry shovels story. the document he goes beyond the headlines surrounding the national debate over her life in the 1990s and early 2000s. that airs tonight, at ten pm eastern here on msnbc. it's also streaming on peacock, so you can also watch it there. for now, stay right where you are, because they're so much more news coming up on msnbc. >> is donald trump going to prison? new analysis from a reporter who's been inside the courtroom, where these cases might be headed. plus, what liz cheney just said in an interview about her revealing new book. a very good day to all ofyou from the new center here in los angeles, welcome to alex witt reports. we'r beginning with breaking news. a u.s. warship has come under attack in the red sea. pentagon officials say they are

aware of drone attacks on the uss carney, and commercial vessels that happened earlier today. let's go right to and miss nbc's erin standing by for us at the white house. what more do we know about these developments in the red sea? >> alex, our pentagon team has been able to confirm from defense officials that the uss carney destroyed a houthi drone today in the southern red sea. w ase understand it, that drone was headed towards the ship at the same time itsaw at least one ballistic missil fired at commercial ship. that ship goes by the name unity explore. the carney responded t that ships distress signal at the time, and had to oot down another houthi drone that was headed towards the two ship at that point. this all apparently happened over the course of several hours today, and the official here alsosays that multiple commercial ships were attacked by yemen-based houthi missiles today. at we're getting from the houthis, and you should understand the source here, ayhat their rebels, in

today, they said that theut yemeni armed forces targeted u.s. s and anotherip called the number nine, targeted witha missile and a drone,ding to the houthis, afterthese ships, they say, rejected warningmesses from the yemeni navy. no, thehouts say that they will continue to prevent israeliships from operating in is area until israel ops its assaults in gaza. th ship that we areawarof, we believe maybe a uk-based company. we're still digging into that. the uss carney, we should note, is part of the gerald ford aircraft carrier strike group that was sent to the monitoring you see after the hamas attack in israel. the president has said that these fighting groups are there as a deterrent force to keep others from getting involved in the fighting in gaza. by our count, today is the third time the uss carney has shut down a drone from houthi

-controlled areas of yemen. that's since october 7th. today, as we know there were no injuries and no damage to the u.s. ship that was involved here. alex? >> okay, erin, thank you very much for the very latest on this breaking news. joining me right now to for this discussion, retired four star general barry mccaffrey and msnbc military analyst. sir, welcome. would you describe this as a serious escalation? i'm curious what the intent is. and do you think it's driven by -- >> i think it clearly is an escalation of the level of violence that the iranians are willing to use as a signal to the israel hamas war. as we know, the idea started up air and ground and see campaigns, i think the iranians are trying to calculate to what extent can they draw, and divert attention from that babble. if they ever hit a u.s. navy warship, out in these waters,

it would be a signal, in my judgment, for a major land attack. not just potentially against the houthis and yemen, but against iran itself. fortunately, these destroyers are immensely capable. they have the range radar system -- surfaced air missiles, tomahawk missiles, harpoon anti ship missiles, so it's a considerable force, and it's backed up by u.s. navy carrier strike groups. >> general, good to know that they have that kind of force, of course, and that is presumed that its u.s. military. but i'm curious how much damage could a drone due to a destroyer like the carney? or a ballistic missile, how about that? and you envision any of those actually hitting their mark? >> i hope not. they have in the past, i remember years, decades ago, the iraqis actually hit a u.s.

navy warship and caused considerable damage. so no surface combatant wants to take a direct strike from a missile that might have a multi hundred kilogram warhead on it. but again, i might add, these combat systems also have a laser oboard, so it's unlikely that th primitive gy of the houthi rebels could strike out a warship. there's a concern, and more importantly, probably, against commercial shipping. none of this would be happening without the backing of iran. so i'm sure right now, the secretary of defense lloyd austin and secretary of state blinken are trying to gauge what should be our reaction? there's going to have to be some response to this, as a signal that it won't be accepted closing down these two shipping lines. >> so, you put that together, houthis and iran, if the houthis, sir, were intent on

hitting a u.s. destroyer. coupled with iran, do they have those capabilities, and if that were to happen, what would be the u.s. response at this point? >> well, it's speculation on what we respond with, it's hard to gauge. i think the major objective the biden administration appropriately is to avoid escalation of the conflict. either horizontally, at hezbollah, with 100,000 fighters enter the war in the north against israel, or probably in an immediate sense, any attempt to cut off the flow of oil on the persian gulf region. so i think these are serious consequential actions by iran, deliberately taken, that the president will have to sort out to what extent do we respond to avoid escalation, but gaining deterrence from attacks on commercial shipping. >> do you expect, sir, as i pose this last question, there to be a pause now in these

kinds of attacks? seeing other attacks like this in a pause, and then our resurrected? or do you think this could be ongoing? what are the consequences, if so? >> one of the challenges of signaling political intent with military power in an imprecise equation. i've never believed that that's a worthwhile way to conduct diplomacy. reading or misreading military signals. i do believe that if there is a serious attempt to close down access to the gulf, there would be an immediate reaction by the united states against iran. in terms of these short, are unsuccessful attacks against shipping today, or attempts to take over shipping out in the gulf, they did seize one israeli ship, which is now in yemen. i think that willbe more moderated response. >> general barry mccaffrey, as always, thanks for your insights. i appreciate that. we're gonna talk more about the

attack on the red sea as well as the israel hamas war with california representative sydney kamlager-dove. she's on the foreign affairs committee, that's coming up for you in just a few minutes. meantime, here at, home growing concerns over donald trump's plan for a second term in office as he hits the campaign trail. yesterday in iowa, he invoked a higher power he thinks might help him win blue states in 2024. >> but i think if you had a real election and jesus came down and god came down and said i'm going to be the scorekeeper here, i think we win there, i think we win in illinois, and i think we win in new york. >> well, a new morning comes for congresswoman liz cheney to members of congress still backing trump for the 2024 nomination. >> if a person is a member of congress, and the sworn an oath to defend the constitution, can they defend the constitution and also endorsed donald trump? >> no. there is a choice to be made, you can't both be for donald trump and for the constitution.

you have to choose. >> and some new reaction continues predictions from at least one congressional trump supporter. >> i think liz's hatred of trump's real. i understand why people don't like what he does and says at times, but in terms of actions and results, he was up better president that biden, and if we have four more years at this, liz cheney, we might not recognize america in a world that would truly be on fire. >> in just a few minutes, -- is going to join me to talk about the explosive rose will lay shuns and liz cheney's new book. but right now, let's bring in msnbc's lisa reuben. she's in the courtroom for most of donald trump's new york fraud welcome. so trump is coming off quite the week of legal setbacks in his criminal case, we'll get to those in just a moment. but in the new york civil trial, eric trump returns to the witness stand on wednesday, donald trump testifies again next week on monday, what are you expecting there as these

closing arguments are reportedly now pushed to january? >> the closing arguments are pushed to january, alex, in part because the lawyers, and in particular donald trump's lawyers, say that they need additional time to compare for closing arguments. they're really going to scour through the transcripts, looking for testimony that supports their various lines of defense. and that gets to why eric trump and his father are both returning to the courtroom, having already testified and new york attorney case. this is their opportunity to go well beyond the scope of her examination, and talk about things that she doesn't think are either relevant, or beneficial to her case. but that the trumps have signaled they really want to bring out. in particular, they want to talk about the reliance on their accountants, they want to talk about there properties, and how great they were, and how undervalued they were. they want to essentially say even if we got it wrong on this property this year and that

property that year, overall in the wash, it all comes out even, and so there's no materiality of these statements here, and therefore nobody was hurt. their biggest defense of all goes to that nobody was hurt. they're going to basically talk about the relationships with their bankers at deutsche bank in particular, and say we had happy bankers. nobody lost any money. of course, the attorney generals counter to that is it doesn't matter if your bankers were happy, what matters is whether you violated the statutes by giving them false financial statements, and other forms of falsities. and you did so, you made the markets corrupt for everybody in the state of new york, not just yourself. >> so, among the big legal defeats that trump suffered these last few days, federal judge tanya chutkan friday rejected his presidential immunity argument, quote, whatever communities a sitting president may enjoy, the united states has only one chief executive at a time, and that person does not confer a

lifelong get out of jail free pass. this is one of his main defenses, lisa, where does this leave him now? >> this is absolutely going to go up to the d.c. circuit, that's the federal appellate court that oversees judge chutkan on appeal. this is really, alex, an open issue. the supreme court has decided many decades ago that when a president acts within his official duties, he cannot be forced to pay damages. he can't be civilly liable. and therefore, the d.c. circuit this week also considered whether trump could be liable in civil cases brought by members of congress, former members of the capitol police force, and they said their analysis was was trump acted within his official capacity? judge chutkan had a more fundamental question in front of her, which is it is a former or sitting president entitled to immunity criminally for acts taken when president? her judgment was no, there's no

reason why in the text, structure, or even history of the constitution, that we should grant that immunity, and because there's no supreme court precedent on point that forces her to grant it, she's not going to. and you can be sure that donald trump is going to appeal this decision, perhaps all the way up to the supreme court, if they will let him. but of course, they will be under no obligation to take that case if and when he presents it to them. >> yeah, the supreme court cases by him have not fared well thus far. but let's put up this headline from the new york times. here it is. will trump go to prison? as he hits the campaign trail, we're inching closer to 2024. how concerned, lisa, should voters be about this potential reality? >> you mean, about trump going to prison during the campaign, or at some point there after? i think if we're talking about during the campaign, i would personally predict that the chances of donald trump going to jail at some point before the close of 2024 is miniscule at best. i think to the extent that

donald trump goes to jail, it will be because he violates a gag order imposed on him right now, the gag order in new york is back in place. so i'm really curious to see on the 11th how he behaves on the stand, and whether he invites judge -- in new york to do more than find him by violating that order. but if we're talking about his actual criminal liability, i think he'll go to jail before the end of 2024? no. and of course, if he is reelected as president, he will say that any criminal proceedings that are then going on and have been completed, have to stop. because as a sitting president, he's entitled to be free from criminal process. and we will have to see where that goes. it could be a real test of our constitution, alex. >> okay, lisa, as always, many thank yo so if you're running for president, you likely have your finger on the pulse of the nation, right? so explain this about obamacare, and the line that follows. there it is. we will be back in 60 seconds.

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iowa this weekend on his determination to kill obamacare. it is an effort that comes as the headline and politico notes, obamacare is even more popular than the last time trump tried to kill it. take a listen. >> we're also going to fight to give much better health care than what we have right now. this is a newer subject, but obamacare is a disaster. i said, we're going to do something about it. >> joining me, now democratic congresswoman of california, she sits on the house foreign affairs committee. welcome to you. right, there you have trump with a policy plan, he wants to get rid of the affordable care act with zero clear alternative. how do you interpret what you just, heard and how might voters interpret it? >> i hope voters stop listening

to donald trump, let's not forget that people died under donald trump while we had covid. this was a president who had covid, and then still denied that it existed. now we've seen north carolina become the 40th state to fully expand medicaid under aca. that proves to all of us that americans one health care coverage, they want affordable health care, coverage they want expanded health care, coverage and that's been coming under democratic administrations. >> this is a winning issue for democrats, right? what is he doing? >> i don't know what he's doing, other than continuing to stir the pot with, you know, hate and vitriol. this was someone who just two weeks ago called people for, man has been dehumanizing swats of our population and the american public. that kind of rhetoric sounds eerily similar to what we heard

coming out of rwanda and the 90s, and not to germany in the 40s. once again, i think american voters, constituents, are saying we want more rights. abortion rights. health care rights. we want lower prescription costs. that is something that president biden, and vice president harris, in congress, under democrats, have been working to deliver. >> here's something that also happened yesterday. don't know trump called joe biden the destroyer of american democracy. here's what's he said, some of what he said on that. >> joe biden is not the defender of american democracy. joe biden is the destroyer of american democracy. it's him and his people. >> i, i feel even badly playing that because it is absurd. the former president claims that biden's misusing the federal justice system against him, personally. what do you make of that framing in overall? >> donald trump is looking in the mirror and calling somebody

else's name. this is someone who was deeply involved in an attempted coup of the american government on january 6th. this is someone who is already getting applications from folks who are going to pledge there -- to him. he has that he will weaponize every agency under the federal government so that he can go after the left, democrats, anyone who doesn't agree with them. he sounds like a baby tyrants, desperately trying to get back into the presidential seats so that he can prevent himself from going to jail. we need to make sure that he doesn't, lose and we also need to continue to start, we need to continue to talk about the tails that he is telling, and now he has been incredibly dangerous to the american folks, and also to other countries around the, world and we, and we're seeing a lot of copycats happening in other countries as a result of his presidency four years ago. >> yeah. let's go to the breaking news

today, i know you're familiar with, at the pentagon saying that arm drones and missiles were issued in the red sea, including at a u.s. warship. how concerning is this potential escalation for, you and how do you think the u.s. should respond? >> i'm deeply concerned, i think the instigations that are coming from the red sea are really yemen art a commitment to our allies overseas, our commitment to our own national security. i am certainly hopeful that there will not be additional escalations, but we do need to take these things seriously. they've been attacking u.s. warships, and also commercial vessels. this impacts our supply chains. so, know this is something we must be, watching and hoping to get a briefing sometime next week with other members of congress, and, it goes to the continued war that were seen in the middle east, and why we need to work to bring that to an end. >> to your point right, they're the tax, that come after the collapse of the truce between israel and hamas, and the biden administration seems increasingly concerned about

this renewed offensive, which is now narrowed into southern gaza. that is more civilians displaced from their homes in the north where actually sent to safety. are you okay with the latest messaging from the biden administration on this? what do you think, what would your message be to israel? >> i think biden has been really clear, israel cannot permanently occupy gaza, we cannot see a shrinkage of the borders, we need to, not you, no harm folks in southern gaza. the importance of protecting civilian life should be a high priority. of, course it is important that israel defend itself, but that's how it defends itself matters. we must continue to ascend and humanitarian aid, we must work to get the remaining hostages, outs and we must continue to socialize the need for a two-state solution. >> well here is a sticky subject, here because some democrats, that includes bernie sanders, say that congress should have some impact on israel military tactics. this is by putting conditions

on any future military aid offered by the u.s. historically. the u.s. is taking to no strings attached approach to this kind of aid, are you in favor of these conditions on a future funding package? >> you know, republicans conditioned a two weeks to go with their supplemental bill to israel that failed, because it was conditioned on iris defunding. i think that there are worthwhile questions that are resonating or's conditional aid, and that is because we need to continue to get more information on how israel plans to continue to administer its defense, and its war against hamas. incisive military information on the operation, how to mitigate the deaths of innocent civilians, especially women and children, and how to, you know, put diplomacy back on the table. so let's get those answers. i know congress, and the senate, have been asking biden, and

secretary, blinken to push for those kinds of answers. >> and there are still american hostages, women, being held by hamas. we've learned horrific stories of abuse and rape by some of those who have been released by their captivity. a leader of the progressive congress, -- said this morning that an indefinite cease-fire could be a realistic solution. >> i do think it's realistic. i think what we saw was after, you know, many weeks of saying we couldn't get to a cease-fire that was not going to happen, we did have a temporary cease-fire. what happened? we were able to see a significant number of hostages released. we were able to get humanitarian aid into gaza. the only way, dana, to get through, this is to make sure that, first of all, do not have the kinds of casualties that we saw in northern gaza. there is no way to do that with the kind of war that israel is waging right now on gaza. >> do you agree with the

congresswoman? >> i think that we saw cease-fire because of incredibly delicate and persistent diplomatic negotiations. between the u.s. and israel, and between qatar, and hamas. i think that this speaks to the fact that diplomacy is incredibly, important biden administration was persistent and pushing for a surge and humanitarian aid, getting out the hostages, real information about how to administer a very incisive military operation, and the talk about, you know, palestinians deserve pain to live in peace and security as well as israelis, how we can talk about them, you know, revitalizing the palestinian authority, and creating a different option for them besides hamas. >> all right, california congresswoman, thank you so much for your talk. some new response to liz cheney today about how dire it will be

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revelations from former congresswoman, liz cheney. her new book, condemning many of our former republican colleagues as an a+ of donald trump, who she says, after the 2020 election were willing to violate their oath to the constitution. this out of political expediency and loyalty to trump. cheney today, warning of the day trusted american democracy if trump returns to power. >> some he's told us what he will do. it's very easy to see the steps he will take. people who say, well, if he's elected, it's not that dangerous because we have all of these checks and balances. they don't fully understand the extent to which the republicans in congress today have been co-opted.

one of the things we see happening today is a sort of sleepwalking into dictatorship in the united states. >> joining me now, washington post congressional investigations reporter an msnbc contributor, jacqueline. jacqui, her book, cheney gives in unflinchg account of what she calls the gop's cowardice with donald trump. it features direct quotes from congressman kevin mccarthy, jim jordan, and mike johnson, among others. what stands out to you and her descriptions of fellow republicans, and in the wake of the 2020 election, many of them were seeking to keep trump in power. >> yeah, alex, i have not made it all the way through the former congresswoman's book yet. in her, and reading the excerpts that have come out so far, there are a lot, there is a lot of somehow startling new information that we haven't already learned during the

january six committee's hearings. really, the entire past two years, as journalists, have done so much work to uncover what exactly happened. cheney was obviously inside the, room and a lot of these private conversations that were taken place in the aftermath of january six, with the house gop conference. i think some of the more startling revelations, which also fall under the -- been one of the few republicans to actually speak power, speak truth to power, been willing to go out against the former president at the expense of her career in congress, really. that is some of the private sentiments from people like jim jordan, and others, who belittled cheney during these really pivotal internal moments, who, you know, cheney notes

that she faces a litany of sexist comments during some of the debates where people were questioning why she decided that she didn't want to continue to support trump. there was a lot of interesting new information about some of the specific lawmakers who we haven't heard a lot, from about their connections to the insurrectionists who were working to attack the capitol on january six. people like rodney jackson, who she says was actually a point to focus for the oath keepers. that was something that we didn't hear a lot about during the january six hearings. but, you know, there are a lot of new questions that she raises that i think put a lot of us on high alert, on what jack smith is looking at exactly as he wraps up his criminal investigation against former president trump. >> you, know it's interesting that the whole sexist comments, let me read one quotes. my director can potentially put up this full stream. some didn't like her tone and

thought she was not contrite enough. this is from breaking with the party, and the congressman in pennsylvania actually referred to her actions as senior girlfriend sitting on the opponent side in the game, to which cheney replied, i'm not your girlfriend. i, mean this was absolutely extraordinary. let's talk about what cheney accuses mike johnson of. writing in the book that he wrote the supreme court brief, in support of trump's attempt to overthrow the election of sneaking into the brief, baseless claims of election fraud while telling republicans to make no specific allegations. let's talk about what liz cheney said this morning about mike johnson, then get your response. >> it was dangerous because what mike was doing was taking steps that he knew to be wrong, doing things that he knew to have no basis in law, fact, or the constitution.

mike was willing, time and again, to ignore the ruins of the courts in order to attempt to do donald trump's bidding. >> do you know of any outrage, jacqui, behind the scenes, amongst republicans, that mike johnson did this? either at the time, or was any of that resurrected as he rose to power as the house speaker? >> well, at the time,, alex there was not a lot of outrage. liz cheney,, again was one of the lone voices in house gop conference that had called on her colleague. she put out this extensive briefing urging them not to support, not to assign names to support this brief. i think, you know, currently, there is a dearth of liz cheney's in the house gop conference. at the beginning of the speakers race, when people like steve solely said jim jordan were still the names that were swirling around's as a potential replacements for kevin mccarthy, this actually,

this election denialism did crop up again as an issue. you had some people, congressman hill, congressman buck, these names we reported throughout october, war in closed-door meetings, conference medians, as they were hashing out who is going to leave the comforts next, we're asking questions of the nominees. is the speaker designate, such as, do you believe that the 2020 election was stolen? do you believe that joe biden should be president of the united states? and rightfully won at the 2020 election? these were questions that some people told us on the record, some people told us off the record, that were not answered sufficiently by these leaders. it was actually part of, in addition to a slew of other things that happened during the speakers race, why some ultimately decided not to support jim jordan, and why he wasn't able to get the number he needed to. but when it came to speaker johnson, you, know i think at

that point in time, people were pretty exhausted to finish with the, process and want to get it over with. people didn't raise money right. flags, now johnson is still yet to say, as one of the first questions i asked him right after he was sworn in to become speaker, whether he believed joe biden was presidents, and whether he felt the 2020 election was stolen, that joe biden should be, president and johnson declined to answer either way. he said that that was not a topic of conversation that he was focusing on right now. , really since, he's drifted again out of the conversation. >> stunning. that is absolutely stunning. that isn't simple question with a simple answer. okay, jacqui, as always, it's nice to see, my friend. thank you very much. tomorrow, liz cheney will join rachel maddow to discuss the state of the republican party in the threat to the trump poses to democracy. it will be tomorrow, 49 pm eastern. stay tuned on msnbc. in the meantime, the details from the white house on what's being done to keep civilian deaths down in the middle east, and to get more hostages home. st and to get more hostages home. >>

reiterating the breaking news we talked about at the top of the hour. the pentagon says who these attack commercial vessels in the red sea today. then a u.s. warship struck down at least one. drone fortunately no injuries or damage have been reported on the ship. we'll keep abreast of all that. meanwhile, the aftermath of renewed israeli strikes in gaza with officials claiming there more than 700 palestinians have been killed. this is the bombardment resumed after the truce. biden officials say that they're keeping up pressure on israel to limit civilian casualties. let's go now to nbc's -- he's in tel aviv, israel for us. what can you tell us about the escalation,, david and southern gaza at this time, and the efforts to protect civilians, that are seeking shelter there? >> yeah,, alex fierce galatians, much of the military campaign in the last couple days have been focused on southern gaza. the general expectation is that

this is setting the grounds for a ground invasion of the south in a way that we saw in the north. as far as the question of protecting civilians, i want to tell you what both sides are saying about. that on the one, hand the idf and others really authorities are saying that they're taking all precautions to avoid civilian casualties. they're pointing specifically to detailed amount of evacuation zones that they've been trying to distribute to southern gaza, both on paper leaflets, and electronically. they say that they are instruing civilians to leave specific areas they intend to target, and go to other places that are safer. the u.s. backs up. the u.s. says that israel is doing everything it can to avoid civilian casualties. for example, in a sea coast spur's -- spoke to msnbc earlier today, here's what he had to say. >> they have actually given civilians and gaza a list, a map. it's online. a lip list of areas where they can go to be more safe. there were not too many modern

military's, in advance of conducting operations, that would actually do that. they are making an effort to at least inform the civilian population about where to, go and where to avoid. >> here is what the other side has to say about this question. first of, all people in the ground in gaza say the information about evacuation routes is confusing, difficult to access. they say they've already been displaced once, twice, maybe three times before. they feel there is nowhere safe for them to go. then on a deeper level, alex, there were widespread fears amongst palestinians, both in gaza and in the west bank, that this military campaign and gaza will lead to the forced displacement of large numbers of gazans out of the gaza strip. they fear they're being pushed steadily south, towards the egyptian border, and eventually they will be forced over that boer into egypt. the egyptian government to strenuously opposed to this idea. i should also say that the netanyahu, this is not the stated intention of the netanyahu government. that is not, according to their public statement, what they are trying to accomplish. it is a widespread enough concern that vice president

kamala harris, yesterday, after a meeting with the egyptian president, felt compelled to put out a statement saying that under no circumstances will the united states permit the forced relocation of palestinians from gaza. back to you, alex. >> absolutely extraordinary. a lot of issues, there that's for. short, david thank you so much. joining me now, as state senior adviser under president obama, and nbc columnist. nice to see you again. so, here you have a coordinated for strategic communications, john kirby, telling me that at this moment there are no official negotiations happening for any additional pauses in fighting, or the release of hostages. saying that's because of hamas. so what does this mean for future negotiations? >> the well, there are certainly diplomatic connections and conversations going on. officially, the key word is that. the united states is that not, at this, point recognizing that there is a move towards a cease-fire. the key part of this, of, course is what happens to

people in gaza. in the, meantime what happens to the hostages. as we, know the people of gaza have not been receiving information in a way that they can out chilly process for the israeli government, or idf to transmit evacuation information on the internet right now, when people don't have access to the internet. it ijust another example of how the words and rhetoric are not really matching the reality on the ground. you have gazans trying to flee, you have hostages in their family still trying to be reunited as the war continues. >> here is something, what it boils down to, hamas has long declared it wants to destroy israel. israel's goal now is to illuminate hamas. so does that leave any room to, a, get the hostages back? , be illuminate the terror threat of hamas? and, see have a two state solution? >> the last one, the two state solution, is the one that seems

the least likely and grasp right now. as you, mentioned because the leadership in israel, and the leadership in hamas right now. the rhetoric about a two-state solution is still continuing because everybody else involved wants to see a path out of this war that ends in a diplomatic solution, solves this crisis once and for all. but, they conditions are not there at the moment. a two-state solution would require recognition of a palestinian states that is unified between gaza and the palestinian authority and the west bank. the united states says that's what it once. palestinian rule and a unified palestine. but we don't know who those leaders would be. they absolutely could not be, hamas but a younger generation are not willing to accept what they see as a corrupt palestinian authority takeover any part of the palestinian states, and netanyahu, for his, part refuses to recognize that the palestinian state would have any of its own security

cooperation. this is unlike any sovereign nation in the, world where sovereign nations are able to have some sort of security appear at us. whether be police or military. netanyahu says that is just a nonstarter for the abe really government right now. >> we had secretary talk about protecting civilians, saying that if it does, not it could undermine the country's war efforts. do you think israel's listening? >> that is a very common thing as wars continue, the narrative about the war begins to change. the narrative now is changing to one of civilian casualties, collective punishment. so the same thing is continuing on both sides. yet, israel is seen as the more powerful entity, because of the cooperation and house with the united states, other middle east allies, and literally, its military structure and apparatus. the choice that netanyahu makes that this points are the ones

that are seen with more scrutiny by the global community. the civilian casualties are severe for any conflicts. to hear that they are been labeled by the idf as the families of terrorists is putting words on a problem that or not what we're seeing in the reality on the ground. that is entire neighborhoods being devastated. the narrative that every palestinian in gaza is a supporter of hamas is going to be part of the problem. at, loss the other piece of the narrative that's going to be challenging is recognizing that an entire generation, much younger, then all the people and power right now, the generation of palestinian and jewish allies, they acknowledge the right of israel to exist as the states. that is a key dynamic for the biden administration to navigate. >> absolutely. thank you so much. so is it his worst, worst idea?

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calloway, democratic strategist and founder of the national voter protection action fund, and former florida congressman and nbc political analyst, david jolly. hey, guys. david, taken the obama care that is proven to be a losing issue for republicans, so much so that you rarely hear a gop lawmakers talk about that anymore. what is trump doing? >> donald trump is the gift that keeps giving to democrats, alex. the main problem for republicans is that in 15, years they've never had a replacement for obamacare, and i live some of those battles. it's fun to object to obamacare, if you would like to, even though it is enormously popular across the united states, but if you object to, and you want to repeal, at what is your plan? that is where donald trump, even in his first, herman republicans in congress over the last 15 years, have never had an answer. look, health care is too expensive in the united states. it is not affordable, it is not as accessible as it should be. democrats have led it to

getting as affordable and accessible as it is today. republicans are standing in the way of further improvements. when donald trump talks policy, it's a good thing for joe biden. i think you see democrats seen a victory lap on that this week. >> absolutely. building on that, don, in fact, according to polls, obamacare is actually more popular than it was with donald trump was in office. does this miscalculation on trump's part, does it give president biden an edge? don't you recall, like i do, the donald trump as that i'm going to come out with a better plan, in about two weeks. how many years ago is that? nothing sense. >> that was sometime ago. like david said, going back to the summer of 2009, which was an extraordinarily vicious propaganda war. kill the bill versus promoting obamacare. if you go back through that, time 15 years, out there has still not been an alternative plan. not only from donald trump, but from any thoughtful or serious republican leader. let's talk about political strategy, chest versus checkers, if you think about, it donald

trump short term when was writing his name on these checks that went out to ensure that this was impactful. obamacare has not worked its way into the fabric of american still health care system, it is basically like america's opening moments, and every, fall folks are getting tech sane signed up for obamacare, have you signed up your benefits plan. it is americas hr almost. that is happen over the course of almost ten, years ago so the, feature and that my friend's political chess. it is worked itself into the fabric of, things just like social security under fdr. it ain't going to war nowhere soon. what reasonable public and should do is find a way to go back to their roots, which was from the heritage foundation, and think about how to work within the constructs of obamacare to mak it better, because it's not going away anywhere. >> while here is sothing, because it appears that donald trump was already laying out plans to wield his executive authority, if he were to return to offi. this is according to the wall

street journal, trump wants to influence school curriculums, establish a government backed the anti woke university, create freedom cities on federal lands, and use the power of the government to investigate and punish its critics. don, how concerning is all of this? >> it's extremely concerning, but history has to be our guy. this is the moment where thoughtful people have to remember that in times like these, there have always been times like these, look back to a very important book written in the last five years by yale law professor by the name of timothy snyder. it's called on tyranny. he points the moment in human history, a lot of it focused around the not to take over germany, where leaders said these -- [inaudible] >> i think -- >> it becomes tyranny in front of people's eyes, and that resulted in the holocaust. it's happening again if you elect donald trump. >> this is interesting, david, for republicans, it doesn't seem like this is the route

there doesn't seem that this is the opposite of the small government ideal that the conservative parties have always push for decades. is this what modern-day republicans won? doors don't trump completely missing the mark? >> well, this is part of the republican, agenda i call a big government conservatism, you're seeing the experiment that biden states like florida where ron desantis has pushed culture wars. culture wars use the power of government to restrict independent thoughts of people, from the classrooms to the boardrooms, to the economy. that is the real danger, i mean, a classic liberal, approach including small government conservatism, would be, let's creating a virus where all people can be exposed, all thoughts, all, ideas and choose what's right for the individual, or the family, that is not today's republicanism, but as dawn was alluded to, that is part of the fabric of donald trump's authoritarianism as well, which is that it's okay to use the power of the state to control, speech we are seeing that in states, donald

trump wants to bring you the entire country. >> let me ask about the muslim leaders across seven swing states, that are withdrawing their support from president biden because he's refused to call for a cease-fire. the white house is maintaining its support for israel, of course, but yesterday, vice president harris issued a strong statement against the relocation of palestinians from gaza, don. how big a problem is this going to be for the biden campaign? are they striking a balance well enough when it comes to this issue? >> yeah, they're in a very tough position. they're striking the best rhetorical balance possible, from my, view since october 7th. what we have to remember here is that any operation of campaigns, that particularly democratic operations, is about offsetting the voters you lose by bringing new people into the process. they've got to focus on remembering, and finding out who turned 18 since the last, election they have to be able to make up for the progressives we will lose, like these muslim citizens. >> okay, john, david, thank you. the most famous place in france

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police in l.a. and arrested a suspected serial killer following the murders of three homeless man. that suspect is also connected to another robbery and murder earlier in the. we get other deadly incident, this one in paris, a man killed one tourist and injured two others in a knife and hammer attack right near the eiffel tower. french officials say the suspect has been known to intelligence services for years. then in italy, a leading tower could be approaching the tipping, point we're not talking about the tower pisa. the 12th century tower is tilting four degrees. it may be getting worse after inspections revealed a deteriorating foundation. officials are racing to build a barrier to catch any debris. that's it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i'll see you again from new york to accept today at noon eastern. yasmin vossoughian takes it away right now. >>