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right now as israel intensifies its assault on southern casa, president biden and his administration are focused on easing the deadly impact of the war, applying pressure on the idf to protect civilians as it carries out its operation. the white house has enlisted congress to help in that regard, urging lawmakers to pass a bill that would include israel aid and humanitarian assistance. while also addressing ukraine, and the crisis at the border. house republicans seem focused on other matters, the new speaker, mike johnson, says he thinks he has the votes to launch an impeachment inquiry into joe biden as early as this week. and on the gop campaign
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trail, the presidential hopefuls once again scheming to blow up obamacare, pitching half baked plans to replace a program american families have relied upon for well over a decade. the two parties are telling us exactly what they care about at this very moment. american voters will show what matters to them in 2024. we have a big show tonight, we start with congressman, terri sewell of alabama, congresswoman, thank you for joining us. let's start with the aid package, i want to go to some of the issues with that. the aid package because with the cease-fire over, hostilities on the rise, republicans seem to be digging in their heels. this past week, democrats tried to agree upon including some
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broadly popular border security badgers in the bill only to have the other side push for more extreme policies. where do things stand right now, congresswoman? >> you know the house republicans put forward a bill that was insufficient to say the least. it was in arrival when i got to the senate, it did not deal with what's going on in ukraine, it didn't deal with humanitarian assistance. where we stand as we're waiting on the senate to send us a bell that is more encompassing of what president biden has acts -- security package. which is to provide humanitarian aid, assistance in addition to aid to israel, and aid to ukraine. >> ron desantis was on meet the press this morning, the florida governor has been bold about
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criticizing trump with the weeks counting down to the iowa caucus. i was a little surprised to hear him attacking the former president over who would do a better job blowing up obamacare. take a listen. >> we're gonna have a plan, i think it's gonna supersede obamacare. >> congresswoman, what can republicans let this one go, obamacare, why can't they let this go? >> especially since they don't have a plan, rev, obamacare has been very successful i believe in this great country in which we live that quality, affordable health care should be a right and not a privilege for the view. and frankly, so to the american people. i believe that it didn't succeed when trump tried to overthrow th affordable care act and it won't succeed now. >> i want to ask you about
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something very important to you and me. friday marked the 68th anniversary of the day rosa parks took her faithful bus ride in montgomery, alabama, and sparked a movement when she refused to yield her seat to a white man. you have proposed a bill to honor rosa parks with a federal holiday on december 1st. can you talk to us about why this is so important? >> you know, rev, friday was the 68th anniversary of rosa parks arrest. and her peaceful resistance, it really sparked not only the busboy cop of the civil rights movement, and i dare say the human rights movement that's been global. i believe that she deserves her rightful place in american history. and that is to also be honored with a federal holiday. there have not been a federal
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holiday that's been named after a woman at all. we have 11 federal holidays, half of them are named by man, none for women, i think it would be the fitting -- especially on the 60th anniversary that we honor rosa parks without rosa parks day, a federal holiday. i'm excited about it, leave the congressional black caucus held a police conference in which we talked about why this was important and how this is becoming a priority for the c d c. >> since we have some time left, i want to go on to the topic of bad ideas that republicans can't let go. speaker johnson could move ahead with an inquiry against joe biden this week despite the fact that republicans were woefully unprepared during the last attempt under speaker mccarthy. democrats control the senate when impeachment articles would be dead on arrival.
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is this republican leadership serious about governance, or are they just playing games, congresswoman? >> they're playing games, rev, the fact of the matter is the witch hunt for biden and his family since he was sworn in. they found nothing. and what is really shameful is the fact that we have so much that we need to do in congress. we spent ten weeks, three and a half of which try to chew the speaker, that was all the republicans, it was an embarrassment. we have a farmdale that needs to be passed, a national defense bill to be passed, we need a budget passed. so, there are so many priorities that i think the american people would want us to be working on in congress. the fact that we are even entertaining the notion of overthrowing, rejecting the affordable care act as well as trying to impeach the president
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when they have not been able to go behind any evidence of impropriety is beyond me. we need to get back to the matter at hand, the american people, doing the peoples job and work in government and not be looking for a witch hunt, political witch hunt which would be red meat to their base. it's really unfortunate that we are at this moment in time and it's really, really distracting. >> all right, thank you for being with us congresswoman terri sewell of alabama. now to gaza, where the cease-fire between israel and hamas has lasted for seven days before fighting resumed on friday. israel says over 100 hostages are still held by hamas, one of them is torrey hein, who is taken hostage from a kibbutz near the border with gaza. his cousin will join us in a
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moment to tell us about the latest efforts to bring him home. but first, let's do a check on the latest information from today's events in israel hamas war. and the seeds david noriega is in tel aviv. david, it's past midnight over there after another day of fighting, what else can you tell us? >> reporter: hamas authorities in the gaza strip say that in the last 24 hours israeli airstrikes have killed more than 300 people. they say they are only the ones that able to identify, there are many more trapped in the rubble. they say most of them are women and children. the idf says it doesn't target civilians, that it's only targeting hamas militants and infrastructure, it says it has destroyed around 500 hamas tunnel shafts into the beginning of the war. it blames any civilian casualties on hamas, hiding among the civilian population
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and either way this renewed airstrike is happening largely in the southern half of the gaza strip. it's significant because a large number of people were displaced from the north into the south, where they are now subject to this renewed campaign in the war. this is compounding a catastrophic humanitarian situation where people are living in crowded conditions, without clean water, food, or shelter. the head of the world health organization said today that some of the organizations personnel visited a hospital in southern gaza yesterday and they saw a scene of hospital operating at more than three times capacity with people being treated on the floor. we are seeing increased pressure from the united states on israeli authorities to pursue this military campaign with more surgical targeting, avoiding civilian casualties, and we're seeing pressure from the united states on israel to
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not continue evacuating people, not of adequate outside the gaza strip. yesterday after meeting with the egyptian president, kamala harris said that the united states would, quote, under no circumstances permit the forced relocation of palestinians from gaza. back to you, reverend. >> thank you, david noriega in tel aviv. still with us is udi goren, his cousin is one of the 137 hostages held by hamas in gaza for the past eight weeks. we spoke with you a few weeks ago, if or any of the house -- it's slippery weather this latest information that you have about the health and whereabouts of your cousin? >> sadly, i have nothing new to tell you about my cousin, nothing has changed, not even since the last time we spoke, nothing has changed since day one.
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which is one of the most concerning and disappointing things about the deal that just took place last week. and a part of the deal was that the red cross should have visited the hostages, this was part of the deal and another part that hamas did not withhold. as you can imagine, this is extremely frightening, concerning to the families that not only did we not get our loved ones back, we have no clue how they are doing. there are people that we know are in need, medical care, there are people that have chronic illnesses, if there are elderly, dependent on medicines, we have no clue how they are doing. >> now where do you stand on the issue of the cease-fire, now that it's over and fighting has resumed, how concerned are you for the safety of your cousin and the rest of the hostages?
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>> i'm extremely concerned. from what we heard, from the people who have come back, is that some of them were held above ground, they hear airstrikes, they fear for their lives. keep in mind, we have children there still, we ill have children there that are hearing the airstrikes all around them. we do know, i can say this with great confidence, that the military is trying to avoid bombing anywhere near the hostages. the problem is they just don't know where everyone is. and aside from, that we know that they're at the heads of hamas. they can do whatever they want to them at any given moment. they need to flee, they take them with them, if they can't take them with them are they gonna execute? who knows what these people are gonna do. >> udi, we're told that summer
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with hamas, and some are with other groups, and that many of us have said that what we're concerned about is all of the hostages and civilians being killed on both sides, both in israel and in gaza. who have nothing to do with what's going on with netanyahu or hamas. let me ask you this, what is your message to americans, you follow this war, what should they know that may not be, not in your opinion being covered enough in the news. is there anything else that the united states can do to resolve the situation, what do you want to say to americans? i want to say to everybody, not just to americans, that you should be speaking to both sides. it's true that israel is now bombing hamas, but we're still going after the hostages. we still need to get the hostages back. one thing. so all the cries that are calling out to israel to stop
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the bombing, which i can completely understand, as we spoke last time, you know, the images coming out of gaza are just mind-blowing. they're heartbreaking. i cannot even imagine what civilians and gaza are going through. >> yeah. >> but at the same time, hamas is still firing rockets. hamas is still holding out of hostages. so the calmest beat both sides. find a way to resolve this. and aside from that, i want to ask, and this is definitely -- i wish blinken or biden would hear this, and i want to ask them, do you have an answer from our government as what is the endgame? where is this going? are all these casualties gonna be in vain? or the day after, am i gonna see my cousin back? and either gazans gonna have a better life than they had on
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october 6th? because otherwise, if all of this was in vain, and i won't see my cousin ever again, and all these gazans, we're talking over 50,000 people, if they have all died in vain, and you that have so much power in this region, have not put your foot down and demanded answers, and demanded to see a resolution that takes into account my cousin's life and the gazans well-being, then you have not done your job. the red cross hasn't done their job. and all the other regional powers have not done what they should've done. >> you know, maybe it's the clergymen and me, but i'm concerned about asking the human question. what did you and your family go through each evening when they announced the list of those hostages that were being released the next day by hamas?
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and you realized her cousin was not one of those coming home? i mean, what was it like? what is the human experience? because i think too many of the public don't understand. you're talking about real human beings that are living in horror from day today. what was that like, udi? >> think you for this question. for humanizing the story. you know, for us, specifically, because this was a deal about getting out the most vulnerable people that were held. we knew that it was only women and children. and to be frank, first of all, i was very excited to see the people that i see almost every day, the families of these women and children, getting their lives back. not getting their loved ones back, getting their lives back. so honestly, i was happy for them. aside from that, it was made very clear for us that a deal
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that brings all the hostages back at once is not on the table. in that case, you know, by way of elimination, that means that if i can't get my cousin back with everybody else, then every step is bumping him up in line. so this was very exciting for me. to think that there is a possibility that this deal could've actually been prolonged and, you know, then maybe another deal was being able to have with the men and the soldiers and everybody has to be back. >> all right, udi gorden, think you for being with us again. >> thank you very much. >> up next, find out what r n b superstar and i have in common with former speaker newt gingrich. the answer is in this week's rise up. but first, my colleague richard lui with today's other top news
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story. richard. >> rev, a very good evening to you. -- shot down at least two drones today. the pentagon says they were being operated by an iran -backed yemeni rebel group. the john seemed to be targeting commissionable vessels, civilian, not the u.s. ship specifically. attacks in the red sea has been increasing during the israel-hamas war. a palestinian american college student shot last weekend in burlington, vermont, is paralyzed from the chest down, and may never walk again. this is new information from his mother. he's one of three palestinian americans who was injured in this attack. the alleged shooter pled guilty to three counts of attempted murder. the victims families are calling for a hate crime investigation. and los angeles law enforcement says shell casings and a bmw cited at crime scenes help lead them to a suspect in the killings of three homeless men. that suspect, 33-year-old jarred joseph powell,
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coincidentally, was already in police custody there for allegedly robbing and killing another county employee earlier in the week. more politicsnation with reverend al sharpton after the break. break. please be a phone, please be a phone.
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i'm reverend al sharpton -- [inaudible] republicans will hold their final presidential primary debate for this year with iowa caucus less than six weeks away. many voters will be waxing to see it sparks fly between nikki haley, who's been rising in the
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polls, and ron desantis, who has placed his focus on iowa visiting all 99 of the counties. doug, what are you expecting from this debate? right now, it appears -- as the only other candidate to qualify for this stage so far. >> i think sparks will fly, but every time they do in these republican debates, the policy and ideas fall flat. and i think that's what you'll see again. one of the things i really hope in this debate, since they are in alabama, i really hope these moderators will ask each one of them the question about whether or not they support tommy tuberville and his assault on the american military, or if they would push to get these over 400 generals confirmed, and flag officers. that is an important piece of national security, it's an important piece, and it's alabama centric. i'm hoping to see that as well. but i kind of doubt it, to be
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honest with you. >> now, trump is expected to skip the debate yet again. this weekend, he's an iowa, claiming he's gonna repeal and replace obamacare, a promise he made in his first term and never delivered on. take a listen. >> we're also going to fight to give much better health care than what you have right now. this is a newer subject, but a bomb a care is a disaster, and i said, we're gonna do something about it. >> not to be outdone, ron desantis is also claiming he has an obama care alternative, even though polling shows the program is even more popular now than it was when republicans tried to kill it in 2017. joe, why are they returning to this issue once more? >> rev, it makes absolutely no sense. trump just says stuff like that. he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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he doesn't have any sort of idea as to really what obamacare is, and especially -- here's the republican problem with, rev. even since they last tried to repeal it in 2017, republicans have never ever been able to put forth a replacement. and now, we've got 40 million americans on it, it's becoming more popular as we all thought it would. and even nine red and purple states have expanded medicaid because of the extra funding under obamacare. so that ship sailed. politically, it's a mistake, and i don't even think republican voters care that much about it anymore. >> doug, the biden campaign is already seizing on the obamacare issue, sending it surrogates to argue republicans want to take insurance away from millions of americans. can this be a winning issue for democrats in 2024? >> i don't think it'll be a
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soul will inning issue, but it's a winning issue to discuss with -- among a number of potential winning issues. i agree with joe. i don't know what they're doing this except -- anytime republican wants to play to the far-right base, they invoke president obama's name. and that's all that they take. and i think that there is an element of that, but certainly in the republican primary, playing to that fire base, which they're looking at, it might help. but once you get into this general election, just like abortion, just like others, i think people really are satisfied with the way things are going, except in a state like alabama that didn't expand medicaid. people have health insurance, and they like that, and then that the bogeyman came to pass -- about obamacare. it is been affective across the board. >> let me raise this question to both of you. this week, the house could vote on authorizing an impeachment inquiry into president biden.
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speaker johnson says he has a duty to hold that vote. is this new speakership making the same mistakes as the past one? joe, to you first. >> absolutely. look. this is great news for president biden. if republicans prescient on some sort of impeachment inquiry or impeachment proceedings, anything down this road against president biden, look, republicans promised us, rev, a year and a half ago that if we gave them control of the house, they would do nothing but create chaos and investigate and impeach. and the american people don't want that. the american people want the house taking care of the people's business. republicans haven't been doing this. this would be great news for president biden if republicans went down this road. >> doug? >> i think it's a sad state of affairs for the speaker of the house that he has a duty to bring up purely a political
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vote as opposed to something the country's interest and then, where there is evidence that might support it. there is none of that in this. it is a twisted view of the duty of the speaker of the house. i think that speaker johnson has right now. >> all right, joe walsh and doug jones, thank you both for being with us. just ahead, a new documentary based on a book by one of america's leading scholars takes a closer look at race and its role in america's story. the director and author behind the film join me next. the film join me next. honey, i think i heard something. ok. ♪ from christmas tree mats... to floorliners... cargo liners.... no drill mud flaps... seat protectors...
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history of racism in this
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country, we are really thinking of the history of power. >> about the founding of this country. people want to erase american history as it truly was. welcome back to politicsnation. well conservatives try and erase the subject of race from our classrooms and textbooks, a new documentary takes an honest look at american history through the lens of one of our most uncompromising scholars. stamped from the beginning, streaming now on netflix, looks at how racism has shaped our country from its very inception. the film, directed by roger ross williams, is based on the book of the same name by abram ex kennedy. thank you both for joining us this evening.
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let me start with you. the film opens with an uncomfortable question. what is wrong with black people? can you explain why you decided to start there with? >> so, 100 years ago, maybe even 200 years ago, it was common for people to say black people are inferior. now, that's less common. but what people typically say is this or that is what's wrong with black people. and i don't think people recognize that that is an iteration of inferiority. and it's widespread. and i don't think people fully understand where those racist ideas come from. and so we really wanted to show that in this film. but first and foremost, we wanted to show the essence of this film, which is those who have imagined that there's something wrong with black people. >> rajah, the documentary
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brings together images from across time, really. archival photos of lynchings appear along with viral videos of modern-day racial incidents. there are even original animations telling the stories of abolitionists and activists. what's the thinking behind the visual look of the film? >> yeah. well, i wanted to really show how much things have not changed. so we start in the past, and we -- wear these original racist ideas originated, and then we fast forward through time, and we use a variety of things. racist ideas were often perpetuated through popular culture, so we use images of popular culture today and in the past to show those racist ideas and show people that it's still relevant today. when >> ibrahim, i noticed that of all the activists you
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interviewed -- black women. the documentary focuses especially on how black women have experienced racism, for example, discussing sexual violence during enslavement. why did you choose to prioritize this perspective? we >> well, i think roger ultimately made the decision and i supported that. because there are so many black women scholars who are studying racism today. but also throughout american history, black women have been at the forefront of challenging racist ideas. i've articulating anti racist ideas. and of course, their role in challenging racism has been overlooked, and the ways in which racism has impacted them has been overlooked. so we wanted to correct both in this film. >> let me ask both of you why you feel, at this present time
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-- let's bring it to right now, to the president, as we are facing assaults on voting rights, as we are facing the affirmative action assaults, as we're still facing racial violence, police brutality. what can this film due to put in proper context where we are right now in this country? first to you, roger. >> well, you know what, rev, when i read this book, i was transformed. i had a deeper understanding of where these racist ideas were experiencing now came from. and what i wanted to do was take this material and translate it into a documentary. because ibram, doctor ibram x. kendi is one of the most banned officers in america. they're trying to erase our history. it's so important to put it on a platform like netflix, because you can't been netflix. you can bend his book, but you cannot ban netflix. and everyone will get a chance to see this film and discuss it,
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and hopefully it will change hearts and minds. or at least begin a conversation here in this country. >> ibram -- >> well, there's a part in the film where malcolm x is speaking to a crowd of black people, and he asks them, who taught you to hate yourself? and so, we certainly hope this film teaches black people to love themselves. and we also hope, in this moment, where non-black people are taught that the source of their pain, the source of their struggles, are somehow black people, they realize that that's not the case, and that the larger people who are trying to manipulate them into believing that black people have a problem are the actual problem. >> ibram, let me ask you this. i have to ask you this. critical race theory. it has become a controversial debate. is this, in your judgment, being used to no longer deal with the issue of racism and
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the history of it? or do you think that it's just some elin formed people that have jumped on a bandwagon? which >> i mean, i think, certainly, there is an attempt to make the problem those of us who are trying to study and understand and to challenge racism. and critical race theorists have been doing that for decades. those who were engaged in anti-racist work have been doing that for decades. and so, anyone who's been doing that, historically and currently, are being demonized. are being made into the bookie person as opposed to racism itself. >> ibram and roger, both of you, what's your next project? [laughter] >> so, actually, i had the pleasure of working with -- a state to adapt her book --
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for middle graders. that's gonna be coming out in january, and i'm really excited about it. a young peoples adaptation of the story of one of the last known survivors of the transatlantic human trade to the united states. >> roger? >> you know, rev, i released six projects this year, including the 16 19 project, and i'm gonna take a little break after this. but i'm looking at a project, scripted foam, about the beginning of the civil rights movement. i can't say exactly what that is yet, but i'm very excited about it. but before that, i'm gonna take a little break. it's been a long one. >> well -- good night sleep and get up early in the morning, and your break is over. we need you working. ibram x. kendi, roger ross williams, thank you both for being with us. you can watch stamped from the beginning, now streaming on netflix. our final thoughts are coming up after the break.
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will be the fourth republican candidates debate for the republican primary to determine who will be their nominee. donald trump has certainly been ahead and all the polls, but has not chosen to debate. but one of the things that strikes me is, what is the
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majority of the debate about? why are we talking at a minimum about the issues that really matter? and majoring all in things that only matter to a small sliver of american people? as he watched the base, as you watch the process, as you watch trump and you watch president biden, you should know who represents what you want to see done in the country, and who you think has the stability and the temperament to deliver. are they talking about women's right to choose? are the topping about voting rights? are they talking about hate crimes against jews, blacks, arabs? are they talking about homophobia? are they talking about economic relief that applies to you? we should not watch this process like we are watching some kind of contest on
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television of who has the most talent, or whose looks the best, or who looks young or old. it's about what matters to you, and who shows the ability and temperament to deliver it. and if they can't even discuss it, if they can't get past we sound bites, then what makes you think they can sit behind that desk in the oval office and do what you and your family need? grown-ups need to run for president, and grown-ups need to choose who is gonna be president. i wasn't debates when i ran in 2004, and i tried to address the needs of people that had not been addressed. i'm telling you, a lot of those needs are being minimized in this process in 20 23 to 24. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. and brings soothing relief. don't get burned by winter nose.
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thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next weekend at five pm eastern. right now, it's american voices with alicia menendez. because thank you so much, reverend sharpton, i'm alicia menendez. with just over a month to the iowa caucus is -- busy spreading fear and loathing in the hawkeye state. at two campaign events in iowa this weekend, trump rejected his own worst