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trump's legal chaos and how's court schedule is going to collide with his political calendar. on the civil side trump's calendar soon wrapping, up the judge has found the two adult sons and the trump organization liable for fraudulently inflating real estate properties to get favorable loan deals. it will determine the damages, and whether trump and his two sons can ever run a business again in new york. trump is expected to take the stand, as the final witness, on december 7th with closing arguments scheduled for the 11th. just four days before the iowa caucus. and then there is the second defamation lawsuit from e. jean carroll. it begins the very same day as the iowa caucus. here is where the problems began, it's one thing for the voters to go to the polls and know the outcome of the civil fraud trial. at least we hope they will know by then. starting with a defamation suit, voters are going to be casting ballots without knowing if

donald trump is guilty or liable against him. trump is facing 91 felony charges against -- none of them will be as completed by the time most republican primary voters go to the polls. jack smith's federal interference case kicks off on the 4th of march one day before super tuesday by that point republicans love allocated 47% of their delegates. trump's hush money case begins in new york, by that time 71% of the delegates in the gop presidential primary race will have been allotted and on may 20th his child sosa began in south florida. 80% of primary delegates will be divided by then you see where we're going with this, right? that means before these cases are even hard, and certainly before these cases are even adjudicated, republican voters will be plainly supporting a man who may, by the end of it all, be found guilty on as many as 91 criminal charges, and

even more civil charges. is one more case that we haven't even mentioned yet, and that is the georgia election interference case. that trial could get underway on august 5th, meaning it would almost certainly continue beyond the actual 2024 election day. and of course, the ex president isn't pleased with that. his team argued late this week that to go forward with this case so late in the election cycle is tantamount to election interference. what's more, trump's attorney argues that if trump wins in 2024, the trial should be postponed until he leaves the white house in 2029. regardless of the timeline, fulton county district attorney, fani willis, told nbc news that she'll be in the courtroom early, and often for trump's r. i. c. o. case. >> as the district attorney, the oath i take is to keep people safe. and so it's always going to be important to the district attorney, in any matter, when i

feel like a witness or a co-defendant or anyone in this jurisdiction is threatened. i don't know why anyone would find it surprising to see district attorney willis in a courtroom. >> what we see you again and other hearings before this case goes to trial? >> you know everything today -- every day brings something different. i don't know. >> beyond willis's promises here, what's much bigger is this growing problem for the american electorate. for our democracy. we almost certainly have a republican presidential nominee who is in the midst of multiple criminal trials. but we could also, come election day 2024, not know the outcomes of one if not more of these trials. and how can the american people be expected to cast their votes without knowing the guilt or the innocence of the man for which they are voting? here to discuss this is -- lincoln project senior advisor in gop communication director. paul butler, msnbc legal analyst, former prosecutor and --

and eugene daniels, msnbc political contributor and white house reporter and coauthor of political's playbook. great to have you three with us. paul, i'll start with you. there's never been an american in the situation that donald trump finds himself in right now. certainly, even as a country, let alone as a political figure, he's a person cruising to the republican nomination. he is facing major legal challenges from seemingly every angle. we, as the voters, will not know his legal status by the time we start casting our ballots. and so, it just -- it is a perplexing moment for our legal system, in what the role of the legal system is here.

>> yeah, so the federal election interference -- [inaudible] this only four counts. contrast that with the ableist 's r. i. c. o. case, which started out with 19 defendants in 41 counts. but that case could still be number two. that's because judge cannon's low key slow walking the mar-a-lago documents case, and d. a. bragg's said his manhattan prosecution can wait until after the federal trials. so ayman, i think the most important development will be the appeals court ruling about the gag order in the federal election interference case. if trump loses, he will certainly appealed to the supreme court. if the supreme court takes that case, that could have a huge impact on the trial date, which is now scheduled for march 4th. i don't see how the supreme court could decide this case on the merits by then, which would mean that that trial would have to be -- and that raises the possibility, ayman, of trump being on trial

during the republican convention -- next fall in either fulton county or the district of columbia. >> paul, correct me if i'm wrong here, and there's so many different legal scenarios that can play out in all of these political trials, i think it's safe to say all of them will be unprecedented. but one thing -- what happens if in the georgia fulton county case, donald trump is convicted, and he wins the white house? do we have a clear answer, what happens if the sitting president of the united states is convicted in the court of law in fulton county? >> we don't have a clear answer. trump's lawyer said that even having the election, or even -- [inaudible] trial in till after the election, and he wins the election, he's not going to trial until 2029 at the earliest. the supreme court could rule that a criminal prosecution, especially a state prosecution, would have to wait until after trump loses -- leaves office.

and ayman, if he's can the victims before, but the appeal isn't final, i think it's extremely unlikely that the supreme court would say that trump has to go to prison, at the same time as he's serving as president. >> just one of the many constitutional land mines we're gonna see over the next 18 months. tara -- on these trials, that's the small matter of choosing the next president. we'd like to be informed as to the quality of the candidates. we have, and mentioned, some of the delegate math there just a moment ago, how much we would now, and how much of the voting public would have already cast their votes by the time these criminal trials get underway. can you see trump's legal problems impacting this race at all? >> well, definitely not the primary race. that's for sure. he is so far ahead, and it's baked into the cake here. the people who are supporting

donald trump are people who have now been conditioned and indoctrinated to believe that these are not righteous prosecutions. he has told everyone that it's a witch hunt. they're targeting him. it's the justice department, the corrupt justice department going after a political enemy. i mean, he has repeatedly said these things to undermine our justice system, and these people believe it. the same people who believe that the 2020 election was illegitimate also. so you have the all four well-meaning majority of republicans who believe that joe biden is an illegal, illegitimate president. so why would they now take into consideration the legitimacy of our judicial system? they don't. which is why donald trump has gone up in the polls every time

he's been indicted. up to 91 counts now, at this point. all of this, i was listening to your intro, ayman, and i thought to myself, why do we need a conviction for these people to take a look at donald trump and joe, he needs to be convicted before i can decide whether he's gonna be a good president again or not. i mean, there's a litany of things that make donald trump disqualified for president and unqualified to be president of the united states again. mainly being he incited an insurrection to try to overturn a free and fair election. the guy tried to stage a coup. >> it's probably naive, wishful thinking on my part to have confidence in the voters that will somehow come to the realization -- >> a general election.

>> certainly the primary -- you're absolutely right. the primary, i think, is a foregone conclusion, and if you made up your mind on trump you're not gonna change. but maybe the summit that, when it comes down to donald trump, are gonna hedge their -- yeah. and that's the scary thing. i guess my questions to you, jeanne, is really more about that. it's his entire case in this election interference intended to stop trump from winning? is this where his only chance to avoid present time is to win at the ballot box? or is there hope for him to actually dodge the prison sentences, or dodge the conviction, but at the same time when the white house to avoid that? >> i mean, anything's possible. and our current policy. it's the fact that we're having this conversation right now that's positive. anything could happen in the current state of politics. but i, mean so much of this is why donald trump ran again in his presidency. he knew the day that he walked out of their, january 20th 2021, that he was going to -- [inaudible] this isn't something new that donald trump has been dealing with. after january 6th, he knew somebody was going to go look into the kind of things he and as allies were doing in the run up to the election, after the election, and on january 6th.

all of those things, we already knew. i'll also say, i think tara is right. i'm not even convinced that if he got convicted are put in jail, that he would lose the nomination, or the presidency, right? there is something about the way that he has been able to convince republican voters, even some independent leaning voters, that this is about you, right? they're coming at me because they want to get to you. the only thing protecting you from the deep state, from the liberal elite media, and from the folks on the coast you want to take over your life because they want to steal this country from you. right? and you convince people of that, it's very difficult for those folks to then, with all the things happening now, we can't expect them to be able to dig through all of that with everything they have going on in their own lives. and you have some of these other presidential candidates that i've been kind of hoping that these legal issues would take him out at some point. but like he ran through, march 5th, almost half of the delegates, nearly 70% of the delegates are gonna be handing out. so we will have an answer, especially on the republican side, because it's when you

take all, we will have an answer as to who's gonna be the nominee before most of these cases even have a first trial date. that is something that people are expecting. so the round desantis is in the nikki haley is that we're anticipating that he'd get knocked out by one of these, that was fetal thinking at best, and now they know that they probably should've tried to take him out rhetorically and in their own ways before now. >> they're probably kicking themselves in the head when everyone was saying, i'm sure the trials will not come down a few points. the trials will not come down a few points. another thinking, we should've gone after him from the get-go rather than give him all this -- >> in, and really quick. 30 seconds about the primary. i think not enough people realize the republican party committee chairman and state chairman, for the last two years, i've been setting it up for this. they are all pro trump people. and they changed the rules of the primaries, people who weren't winner-take-all,

they're now winner-take-all. and this is something that trump's campaign -- folks inside the campaign this time around, but a much more seasoned operatives, they understood that this needed to happen, and they've been massaging the republican committee men and state party members in order to create this so that he would have that advantage early on, and no one would be able to catch up to him, because he'd have all these delegates so early. so that was a strategic move on trump's part on purpose. >> really quickly, final thought to you, paul, on the segment. we talked about reelection in georgia -- how reelection could be affected by the georgia case. what about the other ones? what's the most dangerous one for him on an individual level? not a political level, but just purely from a criminal perspective? >> you know, i have to say,

it's fani willis, and bolton county. she's got another r. i. c. o. trial going on right now that started out with 27 defendants, and all but 21 have pled guilty. [inaudible] ayman, she even flipped his brother. think of donald trump, rudy giuliani, and mark meadows as the not so young thugs in the election interference rico trial. >> all right, panel, please stick around, we've got a lot more to discuss after the break, including some bombshell reporting on classified documents. but first, my friend richard lui is here with the other headlines. hello, richard. >> hey, ayman, good evening. to the father of a six-year-old palestinian boy who was fatally stabbed filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the chicago landlord. he was charged in the brutal attack that police allege was a hate crime. police say the boy and his mother were targeted because of their muslim faith. a u.s. naval ship shot down several who t drones after commercial vessels were attacked in the red sea, according to the pentagon. u.s. central command said in the statement that the drone was heading towards the uss carney -- and alaska airlines set to acquire -- 1. 9 billion dollar deal. the goal of the newly combined

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trump classified documents investigation. abc news reporting jennifer little told special counsel, jack smith's team, days after the justice department issued a subpoena last year for all classified documents at mar-a-lago, she warned trump it would be quote, a crime if he did not fully comply with the subpoena. little claims trump understood her warning which came during a key meeting with trump and another attorney, evan corcoran at mar-a-lago. here's trump in an interview a few months ago contradicting his lawyer. >> all i know, i'm allowed to have those documents. >> once you get a subpoena, you turn them over.

>> i know this, i don't even know that, because i have the right to have those documents, i don't really know that. >> my panel is back with me. paul, i don't know where to begin with this one but this is not some low level staff are admitting this. this is one of his own lawyers saying to trump, trump knew he'd be committing a crime if he did not comply with a subpoena. how much does this help jack smith's case? >> it helps a lot. this is what lawyers call consciousness of guilt evidence. the former president, this lawyer said that after trump got the grandeur e subpoena for the classified documents that she said she very clearly warned them that if he felt to comply and lie about it that that is a crime. she said that trump absolutely understood evan corcoran, another lawyer, and witness to that meeting. ayman, both of them were forced to talk because a federal judge

ruled that attorney-client privilege is overruled because there's probable cause to think that trump used his attorneys to commit crimes and to show you how desperate trump's for lawyers now, jennifer little will certainly be a witness against him in the mar-a-lago case is still representing trump in fulton county. >> one of the bar one of the bizarre things, the tower, and it's not to get into donald trump's mindset and understand it. why does he do these things in public. if we played the soundbite of him talking to meghan kelly, he didn't have to say that to meghan kelly, he can keep this to his own personal opinion as his own legal defense strategy. but he's compelled to go out and say these things which makes me believe that he almost doesn't care about the trial, he cares more about the public trial, who is he fooling here? >> oh, only in self, he's been

bs-ing himself for years, he's a professional -- and capable of telling the truth, pathological liar, and malignant narcissist, this is what he does, he can't help themselves. it's amazing to me there are lawyers out there that are willing to even representing. here we have another case of maga equaling make attorneys get attorneys. how many of trump's attorneys have gotten themselves in trouble? and have turned witnesses against him? how many? it's unbelievable. >> have you copyrighted that, you can print some serious money let that one. >> i believe it was michael kaye cohen who came up with that, all you have michael cohen the credit. but it's true, here's another instance of that, paul brought up that she was compelled to testify like evan corcoran was because of the consciousness of guilt aspect of this. the judge who made that ruling, it was a big controversy within trump world about this. she recently came out and

talked about the authoritarian threat that the country faces because of this trumpism, she provided a lot of january six cases and she has been targeted by trump because of those comments, the judge who ruled in that case forcing them to testify. it's unbelievable to me that again, trump is out here telling us, telegraphing everything that's going on, criminally getting himself in trouble every time he opens his mouth, he cannot help themselves. but just like he tells of every time he goes to these interviews, his entire existence is about being relevant and being the center of attention. the same thing is happening with what he plans to do if he gets elected again. believe it, he lies about a lot of things, but he doesn't lie about what he plans to do and what he did when he says, contradict some soft, while, i didn't know but i did know, but i had a right, he knew goodwell what he was doing, his lawyer said so, they have a lot at stake if they lie. >> eugene, give me your thoughts, trump as we've all

discussed prone to lying like we saw in that clip. is it even possible for this guy to take the stand as a witness in this case? >> yes. i don't know if his lawyers want him to. >> technically he can take the stand, should he take the stand. >> absolutely, exactly, exactly, it's been the question about donald trump even when he was president during the mueller investigation, whether or not he can sit down in front of them and answer questions via email, via messaging. it was a huge question and they didn't want him to get in front of them because of this exact issue. we saw what donald trump did when he went in front of the judge a few weeks ago in the other case, in the civil trial, and how he countered what had really been their strategy. he said, yeah, i think it should be worth more. those are those kind of things that people know about donald trump, he truly believes that

he is his own best defender, he thinks he's his best pr person, he's the best communication director, best evidence, he thinks he knows all, that's something we've seen about donald trump. even if his lawyers do talent, is maybe illegal he may truly believe i would not be surprised if he was like, i don't think it is. those are the kind of ways that donald trump has operated over the years. and getting into his mind as what all of these prosecutors are going to have to do, it will be difficult because of the ways in which he lies. it's gonna be hard to figure out, okay, did he actually mean when he said he didn't know, he did know, even thinking about how mike pence was being questioned about -- about whether the comma after you know is about you know i don't think i have the

authority to change the outcome, was a part of a casual, you know, or was it sir you definitely know. that is where we are in these prosecutors are trying to figure out what is going on in donald trump's mine and any given time. >> when your lawyer's many lawyers, you know you're in trouble, isn't that how it goes. tara setmayer, paul butler, eugene daniels, thank you so much, we appreciate you all this evening. just ahead, trump wants to go after obama again, democrats say, bring it on. like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr-cm a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist and ask about attr-cm.

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he hasn't actually explained what that means and he hasn't offered an alternative vision on the campaign trail. of course let's not forget, trump tried and yes failed to repeal obamacare when he was president in 2017 more republicans had unified control of the government could've done it. the gop played the price, the following year as democrats won control of the house in the midterms, that's because obamacare is very popular. a poll from earlier this year found that nearly 60% of americans hold a favorable blue view of the act. -- launching this ad campaign that will air. >> the last administration's policies are so troubling, our health care system has become a business and people are becoming billionaires off the backs of sick people. >> joining me now to discuss

this and more is democratic congressman, robert garcia of california. congressman, great to have you. it begs the question, why donald trump would think trying to repeal obamacare's good political strategy. it has brought popular support among the public, it doesn't seem members of congress that try to re-litigate this after they lost in 2017, as we just mentioned, what are you hearing in the halls of congress, why they think donald trump wants to rehash this? >> why does he do anything that he does. donald trump has the most insane, crazy ideas and political strategy of anyone. 40 million americans depend on health care through obamacare through the affordable care out, prescriptions, insulin, access to children, families for their kids. this idea that donald trump wants to go back and re-litigate the affordable care act, which by the way he was pretty close to also destroying during his first term.

it's crazy politics for him but yet he's a crazy candidate for president, we'll see what he wants to do, it's bad politics. >> mrs. obamacare has gone to the supreme court on three different occasions, it's been upheld on three different occasions despite being modified. from your vantage point, what can democrats do to strengthen obamacare in the face of what would be another attack by donald trump if he were to return to office, what can democrats too to shore it up? >> first, president biden -- around prescriptions, number one thing you hear is prescription drug prices. getting the cost of insulin down, putting the prices of prescription and control is important in addition to a bomb

a care, dental, and visual coverage, godwin courage -- within the families on obamacare. this idea that we're gonna re-litigate is just crazy, republicans in general, it's not just obamacare, republicans are talking about destroying social security, the talk about moving medicare benefits back. it's an attack on health care, working families, on programs that people across this country depend on for survival. and it's shameful that donald trump wants to destroy obamacare. >> isn't it a testament to the bankruptcy other arguments on policies that matter to the american people whether it's rolling back tax cuts, or trying to repeal obamacare that provides millions of health care insurance, whether it's social benefits. you look at this and say, what are they running on for the american people besides conspiracy theory and trying to impeach joe biden going into 2024. what are they running on? >> they're running on nothing. their whole strategy right now is trying to impeach president biden and make donald trump look better so we can get reelected. as a member of the oversight committee, i see what they're doing week after week, these conspiracy theories, a ten foil hat conspiracy committee of trying to attack the president,

hunter biden, or link him to the president and the business deal of which there is zero evidence. i remind people, james comer, committee chairman that's brought all sorts of witnesses that are discredited, and one ended up being a spy, he's turned into a socket circus and a joke, instead of trying to help the people they're focused on attacking everyone. >> speaking of a circus and joke, i need to ask you about george santos, former member of congress. you are one of the earlier people that called for his expulsion from congress that happened this week. and joking aside for a moment, your thoughts on how all this played out and what the status has been on u.s. congress? >> we filed the first expulsion resolution nine months ago, we did it down because we knew he was a stain on the u.s. house. i'm actually proud of what the

house did it was a bipartisan vote of both democrats and republicans who came together to do the right thing. and it removed a serial fraudster and liar from the u. s. house which is a very serious federal court issue. i will say the fact that mike johnson, republican leadership, decided to actually vote to keep george santos is shameful. i'm glad that a good chunk of republicans decided not to follow the leadership, it's really a sad moment. >> what does it say that mike johnson would rather have as you said, a lying, fraudster in congress for power just to have a bit more breathing space politically than to think about what is the right thing to do for his constituents and for americans in congress? >> it shows that mike johnson isn't just week, he has no control over his actual conference, and could care less about what's in the best interest for the american people or the public. he kills he cares solely about -- he also knows he has a slim

majority within the house. he could care last about what santos did or didn't do, he cares more about the speaker. he's turning out not just to be incredibly weak and ineffective but his politics, his conservative worldview are dangerous for the country. >> what do you say to the critics who say that this expulsion may not be used more frequently and become a tool to use by whatever ruling power party that's in power to ask people they don't like on the other side? >> if we set a precedent to get rid of con artists, liars, cheaters, people that defraud people from their hard earned money, it's that good precedent in the house. we should make it clear those types of actions and behaviors aren't welcome. >> congressman, stick around, i'll squeeze in a break and we'll talk to you on the other side of it. >> sounds good. pres treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v

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robert garcia is with us, congressman, thank you for being with us. this week we're going into an attempt by republicans to begin yet again another chapter of trying to look into the impeachment of joe biden. what do you make about how this is playing out, this circus, even with hunter biden this past week saying they want to hear from him, if he takes them up on the offer he -- behind closed doors? >> look, james comer is completely ineffective and completely dishonest. the entire mission of the republicans in power is all about trying to essentially get donald trump elected. those two out of the cantu attack joe biden, to attack the president's family, and impeach. they've been clear they're gonna open up --

we know that all the talk in the last year they want hunter biden to testify in front of a committee, they're obsessed by it. hunter biden says i'm happy to testify publicly to the committee, and of course now james comer, away, not now we don't want you to do it now, we want you to do it in private. they know they have no evidence against the presidents to do anything. we'll continue to attack him, his family, and there's been zero evidence linking the -- doing some positive stuff for the american people. >> is this a political strategy that they think it's gonna actually make a difference come 2024?

>> it's two things, a political strategy, and it's donald trump calling comer, calling these members and saying, if i got impeach than joe biden's gotta get impeached. we're dealing with a petulant man child candidate for president that's running what he wants to happen through the damage of the u.s. house. like johnson as speaker, donald trump said he'd be an okay person to be speaker. he's controlling behind the scenes what's going on at the house. >> do you get hazard pay for being on the oversight committee? >> i mean i should, i need to see sit on three committees with marjorie taylor greene. >> how do you retain your sanity in the face of all this, i'm being joking here, but you need to sit across the aisle from these folks who are trying to bring these reckless charges, it's a waste of time, take waste of taxpayer dollars. how do you devise a strategy to combat that, what's the strategy to combat that, do you need to fight that or let them make fools of themselves to the american public? >> it's two thanks, one, it's really important we need to take on every single lie that they bring forward publicly and pushback. we need to be aggressive in pushing back on marjorie taylor greene, laura bulmer, george santos's of the party, they're the maga extremists of the party and they control what happens. we need to be forceful, aggressive and pushback, that's what we try to do in the committee, and it's critical, for too long we've been passive and we've allowed their lies to manifest. we need to push back every single time.

>> let's talk about, as we go into the election i had in terms of the strategy for democrats, we've seen some key red straits, reproductive rights on the ballot in kentucky, ohio, kansas. it's been a galvanizing and mobilizing issue for the base of the democratic party. do you continue, deliver continue to be an issue going into 2024 as we move further away from the overturning of roe v. wade? >> i think we do. we continue to talk about what is our reality, which is that republicans want a national abortion ban. donald trump wants a national abortion ban. the way we think about women's reproductive rights in this country, in congressional campaigns across the country, into 2024 as we move further away from the overturning of roe v. wade? >> i think we do. we continue to talk about what is our reality, which is that republicans want a national abortion ban. donald trump wants a national abortion ban.

the way we think about women's reproductive rights in this country, in congressional campaigns across the country, in the election for president, and these close senate races, we need to talk about the rights of women and access to abortion across the country in a way that people understand. it's not just that issue, we need to talk about student loans, climate change, immigration, we have a lot of work to do especially in latino communities that i represent. an african american communities. there's work we need to do. there's a lot going on in the world and it's gonna require us to go out, -- >> you bring up an important point about the coalition if you will that you need to get behind the president of the democratic party, some of them being challenged by world issues, domestic issues as well. do you think the coalition is fraying a bit, is it losing some of its momentum, how do

you try to get the momentum back especially in light of what's happening overseas, all the polls suggest that young people are disappointed with the democratic party? >> these are really important points. the campaign understands that, the president, vice president also understand, it they got to bring the whole coalition together, it's our jobs -- for those of us working hard to get the present president we elected and get our consequences, to get out across the country and explain to voters what's at stake. what we have is essentially the president, who has had a progressive record on domestic policy, there's challenges going on in the world, he's working to address and someone who's a con artist, liar, and wants to destroy the country. donald trump wants to remake what we know is a democracy, he wants to put himself on top, authoritarian, supremacy, worldview and government that wouldn't help working class people in this country. and quite frankly, would destroy everything we know but the courts, the justice system, and the way people have access to services. to me the choices very clear, it doesn't mean we have a lot of work to do to get people and the coalition together, we're gonna do it come november. >> the contrast between the two candidates, if not hyperbolic to say that donald trump if

reelected could genuinely be the last democratic election in america? >> in fact, i tell people all the time that the, donald trump got reelected a second term. i don't know if we'd have a democracy or elections the way we have them before. i think he'd stay in power, we'd be honest about it, and let's make it clear this is a man that will do whatever he can, whether its military might, or use of the pulpit to stay beyond for years. we need to be honest, he's trying to overthrow the last presidential election and keep himself in office, he'll do it again, he needs to be stopped and we've got to unite behind the president, vice president, and get it done. >> let me ask you finally, do you think there is a missed opportunity to shore up our democracy in the first two years of the biden administration given the fact that we may see donald trump return and return in a dangerous way? >> look, there's important bills out there that we didn't have the votes for. there have been -- you have these republicans now, i would love to have been able to pass some of these larger john lewis bills we have, other bills for voting rights bills,

we've done we can at the states, there's been someone the executive's time, and there's more to do. >> robert garcia, we appreciate it. next, we're gonna switch gears and had overseas to follow up on the devastating news out of gaza, new footage reveals one of the grimmest >> robert garcia, we appreciate it. next, we're gonna switch gears and had overseas to follow up on the devastating news out of gaza, new footage reveals one of the grimmest discoveries of the a war so far. we'll tell you that and more. was not letting me run the show. so, we switched to verizon business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. ♪ today, my friend you did it, you did it, you did it... ♪ centrum silver is now clinically shown to support cognitive health in older adults. it's one more step towards taking charge of your health. so every day, you can say, ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver.

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israel and hamas about palestinians in gaza gave a brief moment to return and assess the description of their homes, to search for relatives, in many cases loved ones still buried under the rubble. during this window, a horrific and devastating discovery was made, perhaps one of the worst emerge from the war so far. and a warning for viewers, the following story contains disturbing details. nbc news reports that several premature infants were found dead and abandoned at the children's hospital in gaza city. this video, it's been widely shared on social media and the tv reporter -- walks us through the hospital showing the decomposing bodies of newborns. they have blurred the remains and we've also blurred the banner shown here as it

includes reporting that nbc news hasn't verified. however, nbc news has obtained and reviewed the roughage. in it, one baby is seen decomposing wall lying alone, appearing to still be connected to an examiner with a green oxygen tank nearby, as in six appear to crawl on the infants chest. a bedsheet is used as a soft pillow and an empty bottle and a medical glove boshown closer to the beds edge. nbc news reports around november 10th, doctors -- doctors, hospal staff, and patients were rc to evacuate as israeles continue to ground invasion and issued repeated evacuation calls. the washington post spoke with the nurse who made the decision to leave babies behind. he said, quote, i felt like i was leaving my own children, if we have the ability to take them we would have, if we took them off of the oxygen they would haveie the nurse had assessed his charges and pick the baby that

was likeliest to -- do his oxygen supply. he left the other four on the breathing machine. he told the washington post, while on the road the nurse found an ambulance to take the baby to al-shifa hospital, gaza's largest. mustafa elko who, director of the hospital where -- the babies could not be evacuated except by private abby lance and, quote, there was no israeli acceptance of coordination for the ambulances affiliated with the ministry of health. in a statement the israeli military called the allegations false, and are perverse exploitation of innocent life. nbc news cannot independently confirm the status of the infants in the pediatric icu between the time hospital staff evacuated it and the point when the journalists actually accessed the unit. we'll be right back after a break.

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tonight, in a moment, nbc's elms present between life and death, an embassy studio productions. the documentary retraces the tragic story of terry schiavo from the 1990s and early 2000s, going beyond the headlines of the national debate over her life that reverberates in today's culture wars. that is coming up next at ten pm eastern on nbc and peacock.

here's a sneak peek. >> the battle over terry schiavo has come to involve state judges, -- and even the president of the united states. >> i remember them telling us that she was going to have a significant brain injury. >> i had a meeting with all the doctors and they said this is terry, there is nothing more we can do for her. >> if she dies there is going to be -- to pay. >> reproductive choice and the right to die. it is two sides of the same coin. >> thank you for making time for, us make sure to catch a man back here at eight, and sundays at nine. don't go anywhere, msnbc films between life and death starts right now. i'm a man in new york, have a good night. good night we know.>> i'm gregg melvin ans dateline. >> our 9-1-1 dispatch got a call, someone is missing. there is a woman who likely

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