it will take years to catch up, which means many more months and maybe years of overtime. back to you. >> unbelievable stuff. tom costello, thank you as always. >> and that's going to do it for us this hour. tonight, former congresswoman liz cheney joins rachel maddow to talk about the state of the republican party and her warning about donald trump getting back into the white house. that's tonight, 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. and make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. the white house says it will not get sucked into the israel-hamas war, but escalating confrontations outside of israel could draw the u.s. in. the pentagon says a u.s. navy destroyer shot down three drones over the red sea amid another

sustained attack on shipping vessels by iran-backed houthi rebels in yemen. more worrisome right now is whether the u.s. destroyer itself was a target. the defense department says it does not believe so, but it is not ruling it out. former cia director john brennan is here to walk us through what the u.s. can do and what iran is trying to do. the region could be just a few missteps away from a catastrophe. since october 7th, the u.s. has brought down missiles and drones believed to be headed toward israel and american troops have been seriously injured in syria and iraq from repeated rocket and drone attacks. 76 attacks on american forces and installations in just seven weeks. a major uptick in hostilities. and now that the cease fire has ended and the idf moves into southern gaza, the question is do those provocations get even

worse? here's courtney kube with the reporting from the pentagon. >> reporter: houthi rebels made good on their threat to attack commercial ships launching attacks against at least three ships in the red sea over the weekend. now, in each case, they launched anti-ship ballistic missiles striking the ships but not causing any damage or leading to any injuries among the crew. now, the uss carney a u.s. military warship was in the region at the time, and it responded to each of the three ships' distress calls, and in each case, katy, as the carney moved in, the houthi rebels fired off one-way attack drones in the direction of the carney. it's important to point out defense official says they have no indication or evidence that those drones were directly targeting the carney. but because of the way they were moving in, the speed, the trajectory, as a matter of self-defense, the ship shot down each of those three drones. now, this is another step in the case of the houthi rebels being with this increasingly

aggressive behavior that frankly has really stepped up since october 7th. we've seen houthis launch off a number of attack drones, fire ballistic missiles towards southern israel, and then of course they have now had several cases where they've gone after commercial ships in the red sea. now, the question here that we have been asking officials here at the pentagon is will the u.s. military respond. is there anything the u.s. military can do to try to deter these sorts of attacks continuing? defense officials here say they are not ruling anything out, but they won't talk about any potential plans that they would have to respond. >> joining us now is former cia director and nbc news senior national security and intelligence analyst, john brennan, as promised. good to have you. let me ask about these provocations. more than 70 in just the past seven weeks. we're seeing a number of drones. how worrisome is it to see this sort of action in that region right now? >> well, katy, it is very worrisome, particularly as you

point out, there's a cadence of the attacks over the past seven weeks, and the houthis have a fair amount of capability in terms of using it against maritime shipping in the red sea. the houthis control basically all of northern yemen and there's a coastline, about 1,300 rrow straits that all trafficthe has to go through in the base of the red sea is about 18 mile wide. the houthis have capabilities, as far as lethal drones, anti-ship missiles,hey ve remotely piloted patrol craft that they can fill with osiv devices and so i think what the united states is going to do is look at how they can augment u.s. naval capabilities in the area, given that the transiting of the area is so important to international shipping and to u.s. vessels as well. >> the shipping portion of it, and the economics of it, i'm going to leave that aside for the moment. i want to ask you about iran. what is iran trying to do?

the houthi rebels are backed bring iran. >> they're part of the axis of resistance. they're being provided different types of capabilities in terms of capabilities to use against aircraft, to use against shipping. the iranians have supported them with different types of munitions over the years. they give them money and finances, and so the houthis, as well as hezbollah are proxies of iran, and iran can turn up the heat on the u.s., using these groups, and therefore with these continues cure ration of the situation in gaza, i can see them utilizing the houthis as a way to put additional pressure on not just israel but israel's national supporters. >> does iran want to draw the united states into the confrontation, into what's going on in israel? does it want to draw the united states into a confrontation with

itself? >> i think this point over the last seven weeks, i ran has been cautious not to lead the conflict into an spiral. they can use these groups to continue to show support for hamas and to try to get to have the united states pay a price for its continues support for israel, so this is something that i think iran is going to continue to calibrate in the coming days and week if there's going to be one of these houthi strikes that does find its mark and leads to fatalities, that can lead to this escalation that i think a lot of people in the region are concerned about. >> the capability of the houthi rebels, it's increased over the years. what's your united nationsing of -- understanding? they're controlling them to a degree now. are they going to remain within iran's control? >> i think a lot of these groups

have their own mindset as well in terms of what they do. i think iran has a lot of influence with the houthis and can, in fact, tell the houthis to step up attacks or scale them back. again, iran sees that these groups or proxies allow iran to demonstrate capabilities in the region without getting directly involved and so that's why they have been able to provide a lot of support to the houthis, as well as hezbollah and hamas over the years. they have the capabilities because of iranian support over the course of decades, which is what has happened in the region. >> is there an opening to look at the iranian nuclear deal again? is that a way? i mean, is this all having to do with iran feeling choked out because of what happened with the $17 billion that was unfrozen? i mean, is there a way for the u.s. and iran to come to a detente in this arena? >> unfortunately with the tensions very high in the region, i think it's very unlikely there's going to be

meaningful progress to a detente with the united states and iran over these matters. iran continues to look at the situation in gaza as being an opportunity for it to be able to support the various groups that it has aligned itself with over the years. so i do not think at this point, and particularly with the u.s. presidential election coming up next year, it's unlikely that it's going to be any progress towards trying to improve relations between the united states and iran. the best we can hope for is there not to be an escalation in the tensions that could lead to greater conflict in the region. i want to ask you about what you're seeing in the southern portion of gaza. the idf has stepped up its operations down there. the north of gaza is almost entirely demolished. what are you looking at? what are you thinking about as the idf moves south? is it a good idea a bad idea, where's your head? >> i think israel has an

impossible dilemma, keeping the civilian casualties to a minimum. at least from the footage in the reporting that's coming out, the restart of this offensive, i think, is leading many to believe that israel is not upholding its obligations under international law, specifically the international laws of war to ensure there's going to be proportionality and distinction in carrying out these types of military strikes. but the displacement of basically 90% of the palestinian population in gaza, and the continued destruction of gaza, infrastructure, hospitals, other things, and the mounting toll of casualties, i think is going to lead to increased criticism, including from inside the united states, that israel is going overboard as far as the punishment that it is exacting on gaza in recent days. >> john brennan, thank you for joining us as always. we appreciate your insight and expertise. >> thanks, katy. he is not going quietly, what ousted republican

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family is responsible criminally, you know, they need to pay for what they did. >> purdue pharma's bankruptcy settlement is now in front of the supreme court as the justices weigh whether to throw it out. the company first filed for bankruptcy in 2018, after states, local governments, native american tribes and individual victims filed lawsuits against the company seeking damages over its manufacturing and distribution of oxycontin. at the same time, the sackler family negotiated a settlement that would shield them from personal civil liability. it's that separate agreement at the center of the case before the supreme court. the justice department asked the supreme court to intervene after an appeals court upheld the settlement. the government argues this deal violates federal law by issuing legal immunity for the sacklers themselves even though the family did not file for bankruptcy. joining us now is barry meyer, the author of "painkiller, an

empire of deceit and the origins of america's opioid epidemic." barry, it's good to have you. so purdue pharma is one thing. they filed for bankruptcy after all of these lawsuits. it's a multibillion dollar settlement. the family behind purdue pharma, the sacklers, why would they be roped into this? why would they not have immunity from liability? >> well, they're not being roped into it. this is a mechanism of the sackler family's construction. they decided that the best way to deal with their potential liability was essentially to coat tale on to the bankruptcy proceeding involving purdue pharma, the manager of oxycontin, and that's what makes this so controversial. you have this family who didn't declare bankruptcy use the bankruptcy process to get the same type of liability shield

that one would if you went through bankruptcy. >> remind us why victims, local governments, the doj would want the sackler family held for the deaths, the lives ruined. >> there's a lot of people who want to see justice here. they want to know what did the sacklers know. when this drug was being illegally promoted by purdue farm pharma, to what degree were the sacklers aware of this. what they have done for the past 20 years, since i have been covering the story, they have evaded answering that question. they have never had their day in court. they have argued that we never did anything wrong, but the fact of the matter is that there's never been an adjudication of what they knew and when they knew it. >> in your reporting of the sackler family, what did they know, what did they do regarding oxycontin? >> it's not so much my reporting, it's the investigation that the justice

department did that was suppressed for a decade when the justice department settled this case in 2007, and when some of their evidence came to light a decade later, it showed that at least in the view of the prosecutors in this case, that the top executives of purdue pharma and perhaps the sacklers themselves knew that this drug was being abused from the minute it hit the market. >> why would those family members of the victims call the sacklers criminals? >> in their mind, they believe they're responsible, that they knew. that's their opinion. that hasn't been determined by a court. you talk to the sacklers, they said we never did anything wrong. we're innocent. you've destroyed our names, our reputation. our names are being ripped down from museums. but there's one easy way for the

sacklers to prove their innocence, should they choose to do, so and that's to have their day in court. >> does it look like that might happen from the arguments? >> i doubt it. >> barry meyer, thank you very much for joining us, author of "painkiller, an empire of deceit and the origin of america's opioid epidemic,". >> let's bring in barbara mcquade about the arguments we're hearing. when you listen to the supreme court, what's your sense of where the justices are going to fall? >> you know, it's not really clear. i think that they expressed conflicting concerns here. on the one hand, it's not really the court's job to decide whether this is or isn't a good deal for the parties involved. it's whether they violated the bankruptcy laws. it's the biden administration challenging the settlement on the theory that we just heard that the sackler family has constructed an out for themselves, and there are other people who are involved here, who are very happy to take the $6 billion that purdue pharma is putting up that's going to go to

cities, municipalities, and other victims. we saw some judges arguing in favor, like justice kavanaugh thought this was similar to other bankruptcy cases, and neil gorsuch thought this would violate due process for future victims. >> what's the next move? >> we're back to square one. the case could go to bankruptcy trial. if that were the case, all of the other issues are still fair game. if somebody wanted to sue the individual sackler members individually, they could do that. it seems to me in these kind of massive tort type of cases, there usually is a resolution. if this were thrown out, we would start over from the drawing board. there's people that want to see that happen. they want their eye for an eye from the sackler families. others say $6 billion is a lot of money, and we can do a lot of

good with that in terms of providing treatment for people already addicted to painkillers, and prevention in the future. so not a clear answer here as to what's in the best interest of justice. >> do you have a sense of how the sackler family itself, they claim they're innocent and shouldn't be roped into this, tied into this, how they might argue in their defense if they were forced to? >> yes, i think what they would argue is lack of knowledge and intent. and so, you know, in these kinds of cases, you would have to show that they knew that the drug had an addictive property and they continued to sell it anyway, and they essentially were defrauding the public by saying that it was not an addictive drug. early studies of oxycontin said that it was not addictive. but the studies were based on very small set of people who were in the hospital after having medical procedures. not the public at large. and so at some point, the public became acutely aware of how

dangerous oxycontin was and its addictive properties. whether that can be attributed directly to the sackler family and at what point would be the issue that would be a question at trial. >> barbara mcquade, thank you, and up next, a u.s. senior military official tells nbc news he's taken aback by the ferocity of israel's renewed military offensive. i'll take to an idf spokesperson about their push into gaza and the humanitarian corridor they say constitutes a battlefield. t. he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty.

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>> vice president kamala harris there. israel's resumed bombardment of gaza has some u.s. officials who have been openly pressing for more protections for civilians surprised. a senior u.s. military official tells nbc news he was taken aback by the ferocity of israel's renewed campaign, which includes attacks on apartment buildings in areas where days ago gazans were told to go for safety. the idf says the humanitarian corridor for those evacuating south now quote constitutes a battlefield as its extended ground offensive begins to push south, and mass evacuation orders are being expanded block by block in khan younis. sky news chief correspondent stuart ramsey has more from inside gaza, and we're going to warn you, it is very tough to

watch. >> reporter: it doesn't matter where you are now in gaza, the fighting is getting closer and closer. people are sheltering in this hospital courtyard in the north of gaza. outside, the battle rages. smoke rising from an air strike nearby. further south, they're intent again in the hospital complex, but in reality, it's not safe here either. 3-year-old halid was in one of those tents when a missile hit nearby. this is the intensive care unit. he's been treated on the floor. his distraught grandmother by his side. kalid was hit by a single piece of shrapnel as he slept. >> we were sleeping in the tent when we found the boy bleeding, and when we took him inside the

hospital, a missile had hit behind the hospital. he's injured and he's in the icu, they say it's safe here. >> reporter: in another hospital or at a different time, halid may have lived. but he did not. he couldn't be saved here. the family took him away, another child lost. the israeli defense forces have confirmed their operations in the north are nearing completion and the focus now is on the south. their latest pictures show soldiers taking positions deeper and deeper into gaza. the instruction to the population is to move further south immediately. >> we are giving precise instructions to gazan residents near hamas centers of gravity, urging them to temporarily move away from the danger that hamas puts them in. >> reporter: but it's not easy.

this is the road south. the woman with children and local journalists are attacked. they run for safety. bullets whistle by. why they were targeted is unclear, but they were heading south. from across the border, the continuing targeting of the strip is clear to see. gaza city shrouded in smoke for much of the time. >> that's stuart ramsey reporting for us. joining us is idf international spokesperson lieutenant colonel, jonathan, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> there's concerns about israel's move to the south after asking gazans to move to the south, now actively fighting in the south. how do you do that, and also respect human life, innocent human life? >> yes, let's first explain why. the why is very important. we have to do it because if we

don't take on hamas and destroy hamas's military infrastructure, their operatives, their commanders and their weapons, if we don't do that, they will live to prepare, and rearm and to launch another october 7th attack, and those are the words of hamas leaders. so that's the why. the how will be that we are going to operate wherefore hamas is. if hamas would be deployed in the agricultural area where there are no civilians, then that is where we would fight them, and that would be, of course, much much better because there wouldn't be civilians there. sadly, they are intention that willy embedded in the civilian population, using them as human shields. that forces us to operate there. we would prefer not to be there. but it forces us to operate there, and we will continue to operate on what we have enhanced and improved since the pause was ended is the very detailed map

by which we hope to communicate with palestinian civilians ahead of time, hours ahead of time t give them advanced warning, not a blanket warning of go south from gaza, which was what we did before, but really a detailed, almost neighborhood level resolution where we will ask palestinians ahead of time, please evacuate, and also tell them where we advise them to go. hopefully this will work, and hopefully we will have the assistance of humanitarian organizations on the ground and palestinians will listen. and we have said very clearly, they, the palestinian civilians are not our enemies. we do not target them. we wish them no harm. we wish for them to be able to overcome the discomfort and hardship they are going through. we understand it is difficult times for them, we have a task that has to be completed, and we cannot end this war with an existing hamas. >> difficult times is an

understatement for them. let me ask you about how sure you are in your abilities to get that message to palestinians, to gazans? there's not a lot of great cell service if any in gaza right now. people aren't exactly, you know, attached to computers or even able to listen to radios to find out what's going on. how are you sure that you're able to communicate the message block by block of where people should go? regarding cell service, i'm not entirely sure that that isn't the case because when they released our hostages, i saw lots of cell phones that were fully charged and filming, and also lots of video footage from cell phones coming out of gaza. >> you can't say that every single person has that. that might be, even a large number, but that's not necessarily everybody. >> not necessarily, but i would put a question mark and not an exclamation mark after cell service. second thing, i can assure only that we will do our best in order to get the message out.

and we are talking about tens of thousands of phone calls, millions of text messages that have been put out so far, and radio calls and calls through international aid organizations and of course social media and web-based interfaces. we are aware that the infrastructure is far from perfect. but we are doing the best we can. if there's any other solution how to square that circle of defeating hamas where hamas is operating from while not harming the civilian population, we are trying, we are doing the best that we can. it would be great if we would have more support of humanitarian organizations. unicef and others, instead of telling us that it's impossible, why not get on board and actually help save palestinians and help them relocate temporarily inside the gaza strip so that they are out of the main areas of fighting. that would be very very useful, and good for palestinians.

>> if hamas just decided to give up and surrender tomorrow, today, right now, this would clearly be over. hamas does have the capability of stopping the attack on its population. but i want to ask you, how sure are you that you're able to target hamas leaders where you think they are, if you're distributing flyers or putting information on the internet about where civilians should go, what's stopping hamas leaders from following them there? >> you know, hamas leaders, they are hiding underneath the civilian population in the tunnels underground. if they go where the civilians are, they will be exposed and based on previous experience of how they operate, their level of cowardice, i don't think that they will do that because we will be monitoring, looking, listening, and i think that they would be very uncomfortable being aboveground and exposed. there is the chance of that happening, but you know what, i would happily see many thousands

of palestinian civilians going to safe areas, and leave the areas where there's fighting where hamas is hiding underneath, and if it means that a few hamas operatives will escape away, so be it. if we can save lots of palestinian civilians from the fighting, we will deal with them afterwards, but what we're focusing on is not only the commanders and the operatives, we are also focusing on their infrastructure, the weapons storage, the rockets, and many other things that are part of the mechanism, the system that is hamas. that's also what we're after, and that is why we have to go to the locations where hamas has its strongholds. otherwise, it would be great to fight the in open and the agricultural areas. but the enemy isn't there. and that's why we have to go where the enemy is. lieutenant colonel, jonathan conricas, thank you very much, we appreciate you.

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ukraine is in its 21st month of war, and as winter begins to take hold of the region, ukraine's ongoing counter offensive against russia is struggling. nbc's josh lederman has more. >> reporter: there were really high hopes for ukraine's counter offensive which started in june after months of planning, a whole lot of coordination with

the u.s. military and with other ally, and the hope was that ukraine would be able to repeat its successes from its last campaigns last year when ukraine was able to take back a whole lot of territory, especially in southern ukraine. but this year, the counter offensive has largely fallen flat for the ukrainians, and now as we move into these cold winter months, that window of opportunity to take back territory from russia is largely gone. ukraine did make some territorial gains but they were extremely modest. about a couple hundred square miles according to a "washington post" analysis. at the same time, russia has also captured other land, and so right now, the battlefield largely looks like a stalemate, and that is hugely concerning for the ukrainians because they are already seeing the world's focus start to shift to the israel-gaza war. they are in dire need of military support, including from the u.s., and may not get help if allies don't feel like it's going to make a difference in turning the tide of war against russia.

president zelenskyy has been pushing back on the notion that his counter offensive failed. instead, he is spinning this as simply a new phase in the war. zelenskyy did an ap interview where he acknowledged that ukraine didn't achieve what it wanted to in this counter offensive. he says they are simply not giving up. he says that, look, winter fighting is just different. that appears to be an acknowledgment that for now, this counter offensive is pretty much over, and ukraine is, instead, focusing on shoring up its defenses against russia while it regroups over these coming winter months. although neither side has been gaining that much ground, the fighting has certainly not stopped. just today, ukraine's air force said that russia attacked last night with 23 armed drones, and that a sis mile was also launched from crimea. the ukrainians say they were able to shoot down 18 of those drones and the missile, although there were several reports of injuries. >> josh lederman, thank you very much. and ukraine struggled to fight back as increasing pressure on congress.

the white house says ukraine needs additional funding and fast. in a statement, the biden administration claims that if congress doesn't act to pass an aid package soon, it will quote, kneecap ukraine on the battlefield. joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent allie vitale lie. -- vitale. >> reporter: it's a lot of drama for nothing happening at least not right now. that's because when it comes to the supplemental funding not just for ukraine, but israel and taiwan, it was tied in a package that was supposed to have border provisions in it. those talks have broken down and majority leader chuck schumer on the floor saying these talks about aid are on ice. he's blaming republicans, but never the less, the warns about implications a lack of aid going to ukraine seem to be falling on deaf ears here if only because they can't move fast enough or come to consensus on how to give the aid over. >> what does speaker johnson

want? >> look, speaker johnson wants those border provisions, if they're going to be tacked together and pulled together with this foreign aid supplemental, he wants the border provisions to be as conservative as possible. he wants them to hue as possible to this hr 2 border package that previously passed the house earlier this year. there's a lot of restrictions in the bill that of course house democrats and senate democrats can't get on board with, which leaves them at an impasse on how much they can negotiate for certain immigration provisions to get this through. the house has been the conservative stalemate here for house and senate republicans together on big pieces of legislation. clearly it presents yet another hurdle on this one. >> is there room for negotiation on this? the democrats walked away from a negotiating table according to reporting. are they going to come back? is there a compromise that can be had on this issue, especially as immigration becomes a more pressing issue in major democratic cities and democratic

states? >> you would hope so and what this sets up is an interesting test on the democratic side, on how much they can leverage and negotiate with republicans on border priorities. it also sets up interesting dynamics for senate republicans, senator mitch mcconnell who have been clear they would like to continue support to ukraine, that is essentially to both our democracy and theirs, but he's against some members of his party, both on the senate side and the house republican side who don't want to continue giving that aid. a bunch of interesting dynamics here as we look for how this will play out. compromise is really tough here in this congress, katy. >> it is going to be a political issue in the coming year certainly for both democrats and republicans. coming up, quote, sleep walking into a dictatorship. former congresswoman liz cheney's warning about reelecting donald trump in 2024. . it helps remove odors 3x better than detergent alone.

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in her new book "oath and honor," a memoir and a warning, former congresswoman liz cheney describes something i frankly had never heard before about the immediate aftermath of january 6th. a republican party that was set on doing what seemed obvious and necessary in the moment. here she is on npr describing the gop desire to hold donald trump accountable with specifics. >> in the aftermath of the 6th,

there was near unanimity in the sense that donald trump was responsible for what happened. republicans proposed legislation that would have censured donald trump and the language in that legislation was virtually identical to the article of impeachment. republicans proposed a bipartisan commission to investigate what had happened, and the commission that the republicans proposed was called the commission to investigate the domestic terrorist attack on the u.s. capitol, so people, you know, it was clear, it was common sense. we'd lived through it. and, you know, that near unanimity, though, began to dissipate very quickly. >> nbc news senior national correspondent jonathan allen, it did dissipate very quickly, but i was struck, jonathan, at the specifics she used there. i hadn't heard that that the censure sounded exactly like the

article of impeachment that ended up being used against the president, former president, in the aftermath of january 6th, but also that the republicans wanted to create a bipartisan commission to investigate, as she calls it, the domestic terrorist attack at the capitol. oh, how things changed. how much influence does liz cheney now have obviously not over the republican party but the electorate? >> it's a great question, katy, a lot of democrats will never forget liz lot of democrats wil forgive her for being dick cheney's daughter or crossing the line with january 6th, but some voters that may look to liz cheney. talking about a thin slice of the moderate republican party, maybe some independents who sometimes vote democrat who will listen to what she has to say here. the broader picture, republicans

having largely acknowledged that donald trump was responsible in the immediate aftermath of january 6th, that we've known for a long time. kevin mccarthy was critical of donald trump in the immediate aftermath, and then of course went down to mar-a-lago and, you know, effectively bent the knee, and, you know, we saw how republicans reacted to the investigation after that. >> she talks about her surprise there and her just anger at kevin mccarthy for going down there and legitimizing him. let me play more sound of her. this is liz cheney on the "today" show this morning. >> a vote for donald trump may mean the last election that you ever get to vote in. again, i don't say that lightly. i think it's heartbreaking that that's where we are, but people have to recognize that a vote for donald trump is a vote against the constitution. >> she says she hasn't ruled out running for president. even if she doesn't, who is she speaking directly to giving that

warning? obviously, democrats agree. who is she talking to? >> she's absolutely speaking to i think two sets of people, really. i think she's speaking to republicans who do not like donald trump but have stuck with the republican party to this point. and i think she's speaking to republicans who voted for joe biden the last time around and those who have been voting for democrats for congressional elections. you know, there's obviously president biden's approval ratings are not where you would like them to be, yet he won with the support of people who were otherwise republican, particularly suburban educated women who had been republicans in past elections coming over the biden. i think that's a group she's speaking to. >> she writes about mike johnson in the book and she was writing about him before he was speaker of the house. what does she say he was so integral regarding january 6th? >> speaker johnson, you know, was somebody who supported the president's challenge to the election results.

and i don't think he would have his job today if that were not the case. what we've seen is a republican party in the house turn against -- you know, turn against pretty much everyone in leadership, but the strength in the republican conference lately has been people who not only support donald trump but were supportive of his efforts to overturn the election as speaker johnson was. >> god, it's just so interesting, what we're seeing regarding this book. jonathan, thank you so much. it comes out tomorrow. tonight, former congresswoman liz cheney will speak with my colleague, rachel maddow. tune in at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next, what's more important, catching potential serial killers or civil liberties? the technology that's stirring up a big debate and controversy. i was a bit nervous at first but then i figured it's just walking, right? [dog barks] oh. no it's just a bunny! calm down taco.

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los angeles police say they have arrested the man behind four murders in four days. city officials say jared joseph powell went on a killing spree, shooting three homeless men as they slept and killing another person in a home invasion. the l.a. county sheriff says they found the suspected serial killer by using a controversial system that tracks license plates. >> if we did not enter that plate into the system, this individual that we believe is responsible for at least four

murders may have been out there and reoffended. >> joining us now, nbc news correspondent dana griffin. talk to me about the man they found and why it's so controversial they tracked him using his license plate. >> reporter: so, let me start by telling you how this unfolded. on sunday, that's when the first man who was sleeping on a couch in an alleyway was murdered, a second homeless man was murdered the next day, that l.a. county employee was murdered wednesday, and -- excuse me, tuesday, and wednesday, you had that fourth murder. by thursday, investigators had arrested him because his vehicle passed by an automated license plate reader. investigators say he did not initially comply, but they found the murder weapon inside that vehicle. police held a press conference on friday asking the unhoused population to not sleep outside alone and to seek shelter, not knowing at the time they already had powell in custody.

it wasn't until saturday morning that they revealed that this is the guy they believe is responsible for all four murders. >> why is the license plate system controversial? >> reporter: so, civil liberties groups have long opposed this technology, citing privacy concerns and fears that this technology could be used to spy on people and maybe used politically. now, in beverly hills, they say that's not what they're using this technology for. i got to speak with the police chief and he explained exactly how they use this technology. listen. >> a detective or officer has identified a vehicle that's involved in a crime, they enter it into a database which is hooked into our camera systems. when the car comes through the city and will i v alerts on that camera, it shows our virtual patrol officers there's an alert. they then can dispatch officers directly to where the vehicle is when they find it on camera.

>> reporter: another concern is how long these departments keep the footage that is collected in beverly hills. they see they keep it for 13 months, then it is deleted. they have about 50 cameras in the city of beverly hills. they plan to add another 40. there are some 230 cameras throughout california, and some cities are doing away with them because of the controversy trying to map out rules on how departments can use them. >> dana griffin, thank you very much. that is going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. >> i'm ali velshi. the former president continues to movin