the new book "when i was your age: life lessons, funny stories and questionable parenting advice from a professional clown" is on sale now. this week, "snl," adam driver hosting, with musical guest olivia rodrigo. that's a big one. >> that's a welcome back to them both. >> there we go. kenan thompson, great to see you. congratulations on the book. >> thank you very much. good to see you all. enjoy the morning. i know you got a lot to discuss. i'll leave you to it. >> two of the three wise men at the table. that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," a new warning from the u.n. about a hellish scenario inside gaza as israeli forces intensify their attack on the southern strip. is there anywhere safe left for civilians to flee? the president of israel isaac herzog will join us live from tel aviv this hour. plus, three university presidents set to testify on capitol hill. the heads of harvard, m.i.t.,

and upenn facing questions about the rise of anti-semitism on college campuses. also ahead, liz cheney sounding the alarm about donald trump's run for re-election. her warning and what it could mean for the 2024 race. and later -- >> oh! >> a massive house explosion rocks a virginia neighborhood. police were trying to serve a search warrant. so what happened? hello and thanks so much for joining us. it is 10:00 eastern. i'm canana cabrera reporting fr new york. we begin with a new warning that gaza faces an even more hellish scenario as israeli forces intensify their bombardment of southern gaza. it is a significant new phase now in israel's aerial and ground campaign against hamas.

an idf statement just released moments ago claiming its forces are in the heart of khan younis and jabalia. according to u.n., 1.9 million people are now displaced inside gaza. that's 85% of the population. and nbc's david noriega is joining us from tel aviv, israel. and also with us, major john spencer, chair of urban warfare studies at west point's modern war institute. david, first to you what is the latest in southern gaza as israel pushes deeper? >> reporter: ana, so that 1.9 million people you mentioned that have been internally displaced within gaza, many of them were moved from the north into the south. now many of those people, in addition to those who already lived in the south, including in khan younis, the second largest city in the gaza strip, are being pushed deeper and deeper

south. the u.n. now saying that a lot of these people are being packed into an area the size of about one-third of the gaza strip. what we're hearing from the red cross, from the u.n. and ordinary gazans on the ground is scenes of a catastrophic humanitarian situation. hospitals overwhelmed, shelters overwhelmed, diseases are spreading, people don't have access to clean water or to food or to shelter. the idf says that it is taking precautions to mitigate civilian casualties, including these evacuation orders. what we hear from gazans on the ground, though, is they feel there is nowhere safe for them to go. many of them have already been displaced, once, twice or three times before. many of them are, in fact, afraid, there is widespread fear that this war is going to lead to their permanent displacement, their permanent relocation. >> david, yesterday israel accused the united nations of moving too slowly in response to the accounts that hamas carried out widespread sexual violence against women in its october 7th

attack. what more do we know about the accusations? >> reporter: right, so, the israeli authorities and several organizations in israeli civil society say there are numerous accounts of widespread sexual violence during the attacks on the 7th. in all theaters of the attacks, at the music festival, in private homes and communities along the gaza border, and in military bases. the israeli government is investigating these allegations. so are some of the same actors inside of israeli civil society. two israeli investigators told nbc news caution not to reach too many conclusions about the number of assaults because the investigation is ongoing and will likely take months. nevertheless, as you said, israel has criticized the u.n. for taking too long to respond to and draw attention to and decry these allegations of sexual violence. the u.n. has defended itself by saying that it has an independent commission investigating war crimes in the

israel-hamas war including allegations of sexual violence. >> david noriega reporting from tel aviv, israel. thank you, david. major spencer, as israel is going deeper and deeper into southern gaza, how does that change the battle? >> it definitely changes the way they execute the use of force when you have a densely populated area. and they have changed their tactics from the first phase. where they're entering in khan younis, a hamas stronghold, they're doing things that no military has ever done in history, issuing out their maps, issuing out very select neighborhood evacuations instead of the whole city. but it does complicate it. because the civilians we see on the videos aren't leaving. >> we kno that the civilians were told to move to the south and now khan younis, that neighborhood, is in the south. and so you have about 2 million people who are displaced, where are they supposed to go and how much more precise can israel get? in terms of targeting in its

attacks. >> where khan younis is a city in the northern part of the southern gaza. geography does matter. but it is a civilian crisis. and everything is being done, that's the issue is what is the alternative? the american military has never faced something like this, where rockets are going -- just this morning a giant rocket barrage in tel aviv, rockets are raining down, 100 plus hostages. i don't know what the alternative is. but what the idf is doing is very proportional, very discriminate, very precise. down to like city blocks, determining what cell phones are in the environment. they're using some advancements and some people think they're -- >> you know, as much as anybody, perhaps better than most, because of your expertise in urban warfare how deadly and how horrific and ugly it can get when you're talking about urban warfare. this really shopped me.

an idf spokesman told cnn yesterday, the israeli military believes an average of two civilians are being killed to every hamas fighter. two to one. >> yes. >> how is that acceptable? >> so, unfortunately is that, you know, the civilian casualties are 90% of modern wars. that number is equivalent to operations in the u.s., like the battle of mosul in 2017 where 5,000 isis fighters in a city of 700,000 and there were 10,000 civilian casualties. >> but there are said to be like 20 plus thousand hamas fighters. are we going to see 40, 50,000 civilian deaths? >> i don't think so. but because of the fact that i think we have seen the height of that, based on the operations that are unfolding, but when hamas, which is the textbook of trying to get their own civilians, i've never seen this, they literally are forcing civilians to stay, isis did that too, but at this scale where the civilians don't have a place to go, the idp locations, israel is

not striking there because there is no reason to. they're going where hamas is. there has to be a point of hamas having ownership of this and how hard this is. this is a test of the western way of warfare. we watch every strike, every moment, every day. what does that mean if somebody like a hamas in the future does this, takes a city, a massive city and says, look, because of the cost, i own this city now. you can't do anything about it. >> do you worry at all that hamas is gaining popularity amongst palestinians as israel is doing this attack in the south, trying to target hamas, but are, you know, also having civilian casualties and a lot of them? >> yeah, absolutely. hamas, for some people, right, are gaining that strategic kind of narrative that this -- that they're the victims. when they're actually the cancer that has to be cut out and the gazan citizens who have lived under their vicious rule for over 17 years will actually have

a chance to pursue a better life, peace at the destruction of hamas. this is where october 7th comes in. i watched the video of october 7th yesterday morning. i've seen evil around the world. i've killed evil people. i've never seen 2,000 men enjoy killing women and children like that. it is literally like they released 2,000 jeffrey dahmers into southern israel. there is no more equivaleny to civilian casualties and what was done on october 7th. people want that. and that narrative gets put into the palestinian people. but i actually think this is a historic chance for peace in the region. >> well, we are hoping to talk more about that specifically later this hour when i speak with the president of israel, isaac herzog. for now, thank you so much, major john spencer, for offering us your expertise and sharing your thoughts on the current situation. okay. let's head to capitol hill now. and we're keeping a close eye on two different hearings, first in

the house, where in just minutes we'll see leaders from harvard, upenn and m.i.t. testify about the rise in anti-semitism on college campuses after the october 7th attack in israel. and right now, fbi director christopher wray is there testifying before a senate hearing. this is the senate judiciary committee, the hearing on oversight of the fbi. let's bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian and nbc news senior national political reporter sahil kapur. sahil, kick us off here, what are we learning about the hearing with university leaders? >> reporter: well, in just a few minutes the house education and workforce committee is set to kick off a hearing called holding campus leaders accountable and confronting anti-semitism. this follows a rise in reported anti-semitic incidents on campus since the october 7th hamas attack on israel and the resulting war in the region. let's put the witness list on the screen here. it includes the president of harvard university, the president of the university of

pennsylvania, president of m.i.t., and a professor of history and jewish studies at american university. harvard, we know, is under investigation by the department of education over an anti-semitism complaint. the republican chair of this commite, virginia fox, accuses these campus leaders of turning a blind eye to the incidents. let's put her statement on the she says, quote, now is not a time for indecision or milquetoast statements. by holding this hearing, we are shining the spotlight on these campus leaders and demanding they take the appropriate action to stand strong against anti-semitism. it does not mean criticizing the actions of the israeli government, or questioning policy in israel. what is being referred to here is the targeting of jewish and israeli students, simply for being jewish or israeli. that is what these campus leaders should expect to face tough questions on from members of both parties. there are a number of big personalities on this panel, from very conservative republicans to republican leadership members as well as moderate progressive and even

squad democrats. we'll keep an eye on the hearing and report back. >> director wray is back on the hill. what is the focus today? >> today, director wray wants to urge congress to renew a key surveillance provision in the law called section 702 of the foreign intelligence surveillance act. and it is responsible for about 60% of the intelligence that crossed the president's desk in 2022. it is controversial because independent reviews have found that the fbi has abused it in terms of queries about american citizens. this is the ability of the government to search through u.s. technology companies, databases and pipes, essentially in google, apple. think about all the ways that people message on .s. platforms. they can do that without a specific warrant and nobody cares when they're looking for foreign intelligence. when it comes to u.s. personal information, that's when there is sensitivity and there is some

republicans urging that the fbi have to get an individual warrant in every case. but what the fbi says is that would be impractical. they use this technology, for example, to figure out who the victims of cyberattacks are, or, for example, when there was an iranian assassination plot in the united states. sometimes they need to run u.s. person information through these databases and it helps them unravel terrorist plots, helps them find chinese intelligence operations, all sorts of things. so this law expires december 31st. we're down to the wire here and wray is on the hill urging lawmakers to renew it. there is some negotiations over what provisions, what reforms might satisfy some of the critics, but he is really there to today to say, look, this law provides crucial intelligence that keeps the nation safe. >> ken dilanian and sahil kapur, thank you. when we're back in 60 seconds, could former congressman liz cheney jump into the 2024 race as a third party

candidate? what she is willing to do to try to stop a second trump term. rudy's reckoning. the legal road ahead for rudy giuliani to determine how much money he has to pay to election workers in george who he was found liable for defaming. a quiet suburb rocked by a house explosionexplosion. and my one on one interview with isaac herzog as israel intensifies its strikes on southern gaza. we're back in one minute. s strin southern gaza. we're back in one minute d apple watch - all on them! ♪ (mom) please forgive him. (carolers) ♪ it's all good - just a little awkward. ♪ (soloist) think we'll wrap this up. (vo) for a limited time, turn any iphone in any condition into a new iphone 15 pro with titanium and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. that's up to $1700 in value. only on verizon. a few years ago, i came to saona,

they told me there's no electricity on the island. we always thought that whatever we did here would be an emblem of what small communities can achieve. trying to give a better life to people that don't have the means to do it. si mi papá estuviera vivo, sé que él tuviera orgulloso también de vivir de esta viviendo una vida como la que estamos viviendo ahora. es electricidad aquí es salud. there are millions of people around the country who feel like they aren't heard. and donald trump managed to convince them that he would be their voice. you know, which is, of course, a complete lie. but they bought it. and he preyed on that patriotism. but right now it is, i think, partly why i have been so

disappointed with what i've seen from other members of my party in their unwillingness to step up. i think we have a particular duty to step up. >> that is former republican congresswoman liz cheney. former ally of donald trump turned one of his harshest critics on what she says is the rest of the gop's failure to stand up to the former president. let's bring in nbc news correspondent dasha burns and former new hampshire republican party chair jennifer horn. former congressman cheney there appeared on "morning joe" as well today. what more did she have to say? >> well, look, she continued to hammer that message that you got there with rachel maddow, which is that donald trump has really commandeered the republican party. the party that she grew up in, that she doesn't recognize anymore, and frankly that's something that i do hear from a good segment of republican voters that the party is now a party of donald trump.

and it is not based as much -- this is the argument that cheney is making, that some republicans are making, it is not based so much in policies and in principles as it is on the direction that trump says it should take. and here she was, this morning, on "morning joe," talking about speaker mike johnson, someone she was close to, also taking that path. take a listen. >> it was troubling to see and frankly it was really disturbing. he was a friend of mine. and i was surprised and sorry to see the path he was willing to go down. >> and that kind of story is the story she and others are able to tell about more than one person in the republican party. at the same time, i'll tell you, also when i'm on the trail out there, there are plenty of voters that will look at a person like liz cheney and call her a rino and use the same words that donald trump does use and say that isn't the republican party, it certainly is n the republican party

anymore and we don't want people like that i it. post" spoke to cheney about a on lun for president and is quoted assang, several years ago i would not have contemplated a third party run. i happen to think democracy is at risk at home. obviously as a result of donald trump's continued grip on the republican party and i think democracy is at risk internationally as well. so, i guess, if she launches a third party run, as dasha was just describing, she probably won't find support from anyone in trump's base, so where could she find support? >> well, i think that liz cheney, first of all, you know, hit the nail on the head when she expressed her concerns about democracy. donald trump is an existential threat to the existence of the united states of america, to this stability of democracies around the world, and he has been very clear in his own words that he is exactly that kind of threat. a candidate like liz cheney

might be able to gain some support amongst folks who still identify as republicans, but are anti-trump, though i think there are very, very few voters in that category anymore. independents are enamored. many independents are enamored of liz cheney. anybody who really cares about the future of our country, and the kind of america our children and our grandchildren are going to live in really has to consider whether or not getting into this race is going to further empower donald trump's ability to win, rather than to try to defeat him and i was encouraged to see that liz cheney also said she would be looking very closely at the numbers and the strategy and, you know, and what could happen if she came in. i really believe that for those people who care about the future of our country, it is a more courageous move to put your voice behind joe biden at this point probably than to get into the race yourself. >> speaking about people who

want to defeat trump, dasha, there is another gop debate tomorrow night. now down to four candidates who will be on the debate stage, nikki haley, ron desantis, chris christie and vivek ramaswamy. >> i wish i could tell you some big nugget of secret news that will make this debate different than the rest. i can't. people have gotten less and less interested in the debates as they have gone on because it tends to be a repeat of the same thing. i expect nikki haley and vivek ramaswamy will get into it again. maybe a little bit more tension between haley and desantis as the two are still duking it out for that second place mantel. but i think voters are increasingly exasperated because they all are continuing to go after one another instead of going after the guy that they have to beat, desantis started to take a more direct tone

against trump on the campaign trail. we'll see if he brings that to the debate stage. but a lot of folks i've been talking to feel like that's too little too late. we'll see if anyone comes out the real clear winner. although we haven't seen that in the past. it has been a rorschach test, who you like is the person you think is going to win. a lot more people paid attention to the desantis/newsom debate than they pay attention to that. a little credit to the desantis and newsom teams for doing that. there was substance there, something new, they created a moment, whether you thought it was a side show or not, people at least tuned in. i don't know there is a whole lot of anticipation, people are sitting on the edge of their seats for this one. >> there will be fewer candidates, meaning i guess theoretically we can hear a little bit more from each of them. and perhaps go a little bit deeper than some of the past debates. but how do these candidates step

up and get their message across with so much attention on trump, who is not going to be there on the stage and therefore maybe bringing less attention to the debate itself? >> right. it is really difficult for any of these candidates frankly to gain momentum against trump. it really is a race for second place right now. and i'm somebody who always believed that anybody can win. you never know what's going to happen. but in this particular case, it has been made clear not just by the voters who answer the polls, and the, you know, the activists on the ground, it has been made clear by the party, by ronna mcdaniel, by state chairs, county chairman across the country, trump is their guy. they want trump. these debates are nothing more at this point than just kind of a shield. it is just -- it is just a play acting on the part of the -- on the part of the party to try to suggest everybody has an equal chance or an even playing field. i can't think of something that

someone like nikki haley, who has put it all out there, who is intelligent who has experience, who has been willing to speak pretty forcefully on a number of topics and really confront the other candidates on the stage, what could she possibly do that would get her even neck and neck with donald trump? i can't think of what it would be. >> right. we'll be watching and, you never know. there is always a surprise. there is always a twist and turn between now and election day, which is a long ways away. though the iowa caucuses are just six weeks away now. thank you so much, jennifer horn and dasha burns, good to see you, ladies. a quick programming note, liz cheney will join our colleague nicolle wallace today at 4:00 p.m. eastern on "deadline: white house." don't miss that. next on "ana cabrera reports," kneecapping ukraine. the warning from the white house to congress about not approving new aid. i'll talk to israeli president isaac herzog about the evidence of violence against israeli women by hamas.

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welcome back. new u.s. aid to israel and ukraine is in jeopardy after immigration talks in the senate appear to have fallen apart. republicans say that they will filibuster president biden's national security package unless democrats agree to the changes in immigration policy.

the white house says if congress doesn't pass aid to ukraine by the end of this year, it will, quote, kneecap the country on the battlefield. for more on this, let's go to nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. so, ryan, i understand you have a letter house speaker mike johnson sent to the white house in terms of house priorities in negotiations. what does it say? >> reporter: yeah. this is an important part of these negotiations between the white house and congress and specifically house republicans and senate democrats. and speaker johnson was responding to a letter that was originally sent to him by the director of the office of management and budget sholonda young. what johnson says in this letter, he says that, quote, supplemental ukraine funding is dependent upon the enactment of transformative change to the border security laws. this is the rub between republicans and democrats. republicans who have concerns about the continued funding of ukraine have said from the very

beginning that they want additional oversight into that funding, but they also believe that this is a leverage point in which they can get immigration reform policies enacted. now, democrats have been open to having a conversation about that, they even suggested additional funding for the border, but they are concerned that the policy proposals that republicans have suggested go too far and those talks did break down last week as a result. now, there is some concern that republicans only want this hr-2, their wide-ranging border security package that passed the house of representatives with only republican votes and is essentially a nonstarter in the senate. now, the negotiations will continue this week. but it is very clear, ana, based on this new letter from the speaker, and the posture we have seen from senate republicans, is that they want something substantive out of these negotiations around border security. what that sweet spot is going to be, something that will get republican support and also not

lose democratic support has yet to be found. >> and that is the million dollar question, what is that, given the history of immigration policy, the decades that has been, you know, passing with no answers. ryan nobles, thank you so much. this afternoon, a former u.s. ambassador accused of secretly working as a covert agent for cuba for decades is due back in court. 73-year-old victor manuel rocha is facing several counts including working to promote the cuban government's interests. he has been operating for cuba since 1981 and even boasted to an undercover fbi agent last year about his long time loyalty to havana. attorney general merrick garland said it exposes one of 9 highest reaching and longest lasting infiltrations of the united states government by a foreign agent. right now, in a d.c. courtroom,

a pretrial hearing is under way in the defamation case against rudy giuliani. back in august, giuliani was found liable of defaming two georgia election workers, mother and daughter ruby freeman and shea moss. now a jury trial will determine how much the former trump attorney will have to pay for it. nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly joins us now. tell us about today's hearing and what we know about the upcoming trial. >> this is going to go over some logistical hearings. but the hearing next week after jury election is going to determine just how much money rudy giuliani has to pay for what he was found to have done in -- with those election workers. the election workers have spoken about the impact this has had on their lives and the responsibility they believe rudy giuliani bears for what they called defamation of their character. take a listen to what they had for the january 6th committee. >> i've lost my sense of

security, all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally rudy giuliani decided to scapegoat me. >> i don't want anyone knowing my name. i don't want to go anywhere with my mom because she might yell my name out over the grocery aisle or something. i don't go to the grocery store at all. i haven't been anywhere at all. >> both those women are expected to testify during the trial, which is expected to last roughly about a week. so, we'll be hearing how much rudy giuliani will be required to pay after he's found liable for that defamation. the attorneys are seeking upwards of $12 million in this case, all the way up to $45 million as this case goes through the proceedings here. >> okay, ryan reilly, appreciate your reporting. thanks so much. up next on "ana cabrera

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we're back with a massive fireball lighting up the night sky in virginia. you have to see this. this video is incredible.

police in arlington county, just miles from the capitol, were investigating a man who fired a flare from inside his house, they say, when it went up in flames,ing this residential neighborhood. tom costello has more. >> reporter: good day. so police have cordened off several blocks around this house, absolutely went up in a massive, enormous ball of flame. and as you would expect, it shattered nearby glass windows. the bottom line is, police say they were here because somebody was firing a flare gun from the house in the hours before this house exploded. they believe a single person was inside at the time. amazingly nobody outside the house was injured. >> oh. >> reporter: the massive explosion was caught on camera, literally blowing a home to pieces in arlington, virginia. >> we need all fire apparatus. the house is exploded, i believe. >> i was laying in my bed and

just it felt like we got attacked. >> reporter: police were already at the scene moments before the blast. officers were trying to access the property and execute a search warrant. >> come out with your hands up! >> reporter: a s.w.a.t. team had responded to the home hours earlier after receiving reports of shots fired. officers determined that someone inside had actually discharged a flare gun 30 to 40 times. >> as officers atempted to execute that search warrant this evening, the suspect inside the resident heard several rounds, the house subsequently exploded. >> reporter: the explosion rocked the entire surrounding area. virginia state house delegate patrick hope writing, my family and i are fine, but our house shook and we could see the flames from our front yard. police believe the suspect was alone inside the home when the blast occurred. they have not been able to determine if the home was blown up on purpose. authorities also indicate they did not have immediate information about any prior incidents at the house. but neighbors described the man

living there as a character who covered his windows with tin foil. this morning, residents nearby are grateful to be safe after a terrifying night. >> just scary to think that this is happening around us and it could happen in what i thought was a safe community. >> reporter: you saw the video, the police were literally on the front lawn when this house exploded. amazingly none of the officers suffered serious injuries. none was taken to an area hospital. no nearby residents were injured. this individual who was inside the house still not identified as police continue to work this with arson investigators as well. back to you. >> truly terrifying. tom costello, thank you. mother nature leaving the faucet on over the northwest. 9 million people under flood alerts this morning, stretching from western washington state down through coastal northern california. up to 8 inches of rain are expected in the next few days in a region already soaked.

three storms are now set to hit by the week's end and all tt heavy rain combined with the snow pack is raising the serious risk for river flooding. we'll b keeping an eye on that. up next on "ana cabrera reports", i'm talk with isaac herzog about israel's push into southern gaza, calls from the international community to limit palestinian deaths, and efforts to release the remaining hostages. stay right there. to release the remaining hostages stay right there we always thought that whatever we did here would be an emblem of what small communities can achieve. trying to give a better life to people that don't have the means to do it. si mi papá estuviera vivo, sé que él tuviera orgulloso también de vivir de esta viviendo una vida como la que estamos viviendo ahora. es electricidad aquí es salud. (carolers) ♪ iphone 15 pro, your husband deserves it! ♪ (mom) carolers? to tell me you want a new iphone? a better plan is verizon. (dad) no way they'd take this wreck. (carolers) ♪ yes, they will, in any condition. ♪ ♪ get iphone 15 pro and ipad and apple watch - all on them! ♪

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we're back and continuing to track the breaking news out of the middle east where israel says it is pushing deeper into southern gaza, just as the united nations warns that gaza faces an even more hellish scenario. in a minute, i'll speak with the president of israel, but first the very latest inside gaza. here is nbc's richard engel. >> reporter: the israeli military this morning is launching more attacks in southern gaza, and ordering hundreds of thousands of palestinians who live in the city of khan younis or were displaced there to move even further south. the chief of staff of the israeli military said the operations in southern gaza will be just as intense, just as powerful as what northern gaza has seen so far. after the deadly massacre by hamas, israel began its war two months ago, attacking in northern gaza. it ordered palestinians at the time to move south. khan younis, now under attack, is in the south, the only place left to go is rafah, right on

the egyptian border. this is rafah now. massively overcrowded, with not nearly enough food or places to sleep, no fresh water, and a high risk of disease. where are we supposed to go from here? into the sea, asks this man. many palestinians believe israel's real mission is to destroy hamas and expel palestinians from gaza. the egyptian government suspects the same, and has sealed the border, leaving palestinians penned in, shuffled from place to place, and under attack. israel says it is doing all it can to avoid civilian casualties. that the evacuation orders are designed to keep palestinians out of the line of fire as it attacks hamas fighters and leaders who moved south to hide among the civilian population. >> we're pursuing hamas wherever hamas is hiding. our war is against hamas. not against the people of gaza. >> reporter: in israel, the war

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we're back with breaking news in the israel-hamas war. joining us now is isaac herzog.

there are 2 million civilians displaced in gaza, and where are civilians supposed to go now? >> under international humanitarian law, if somebody attacks us, attacks anybody, we have the right to defend ourselves, and that means if a terror organization is based throughout the terrain of the gaza strip in houses, and living rooms and shops and malls, we are allowed to go in, and we alert the civilians, and we drop

information, and we call and email, and we worked on that plan with many of our partners, and we are telling a small area to move out so we can up root the tunnels, and we can find hostages, please, god, and kill terrorists. and finally end the war by getting hamas out and giving hope to the palestinians and israelis. >> i understand you are making efforts to protect the civilians, but we have all seen the pictures of the destruction, the desperation and the death toll is climbing, and an idf spokesman confirmed yesterday the military believes two civilians have been killed in gaza for every hamas militant. is that acceptable to you? >> i am unaware of this quote by idf spokesperson, but i will say

the following. this war is a war that is not only between israel and hamas. it's a war that is intended really, truly, to save western civilization, to save the values of western civilization. we are attacked by a jihadists network, an empire of evil from tehran with his force in lebanon, and hamas in gaza, and this empire is in iraq, and it wants to conquer the entire middle east, and if it were not for us, europe would be next and the united states follows. i remind you about 9/11 and thereafter, meaning there are extreme people that want us gone, and we went through hell

and we have to defend our people and then everybody can go back to the region and live in peace, and that's what we are doing for the sake of the entire world. >> you mentioned 9/11, and president biden has talked about the mistakes the u.s. made in 9/11, and fast-forward, here you are trying to protect your state of israel, and can you kill as many hamas fighters as you want, but do you create more hate and more enemies for the future, the next generation of terrorists and extremists? >> but at the end, it's a very, very cruel and complicated and mind-boggling decision. we have 150 hostages down there in the cellars in gaza, and you just discussed it, why are they

not released? we have children in there, and we have other families there and so many other nationalities there. we have to get them. they are in a city of terror underneath that was financed by so many sources. we have to get them, and unfortunately there are civilians there, and we are taking all the necessary precautions, but -- it's easy to judge israel and it happened in your neighborhood, your city, you may think otherwise. my i add the horrific testimonies we heard yesterday at the united nations, about what happened to women in israel who were mutilated, raped, shocked, burned, and we are here to defend the values of liberal societies of lgbtq which hamas fights endlessly, of women and

children and free people, and all they want is peace and they are time and time again attacked and attacked, and then it was the biggest horror in history since world war ii. >> if the goal is to make israel safer and to make sure the jewish people are safer in the long run, is there no other way than displacing 2 million people, and attacking refugee camps and hospitals, is that the only way to go about this strategically? >> ana, where is the world? first, we were told to get out of gaza. we did that in 2005. we told the world and we told our people, it will be the new hong kong of the middle east, and then within a year they took it over with an iran-led platform and turned it into a