for ukraine. it is active, vibrant, real, happening every day. and andrea, the remarkable thing is that in terms of disinformation, many of the tools that were even set up under the trump administration to try to reach out to social media companies to take down disinformation and call it out, there was a recent court case, the fifth circuit said basically nobody in government can even talk to social media. that makes no sense at all. we are potentially going into the 2024 election cycle, unless we can get that overturned and frankly the administration needs to lean in a little bit more, where we could be flying blind in terms of not only russian interference whether it's through cyber attacks or cyber we can still deal with partially, but in terms of mis and disinformation ask other nation states we've got to engage with social media to make sure that americans can at least be aware, and as we've talked in

the past, that challenge goes up exponentially with artificial intelligence tools. >> senator mark warner, thank you so much. that does it for us. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. courtroom or campaign stop, donald trump's message is the same. the former president blasting the judge, the attorney general and the legal system outside his civil fraud trial. it may work as a political strategy, but what about a legal one? plus, the suspect in the shooting at unlv identified as the man who was once turned down for a job there. latest on what we know and the horrific sense of deja vu or a community that went through the worst mass shooting in u.s. history and now has to heal all over again. and our new investigation into how incredibly difficult it is for families to get justice

if their loved ones are killed, not by local police but by federal officers. why is it so hard to get even information let alone a conviction? more on our nbc news special investigation coming up. but we begin with donald trump and his belief that increasingly his court dates and campaign the appearances are serving the same purpose, to convince his supporters he's in an all or nothing battle with what he calls the wicked people who have taken control of our once great country. speaking outside the courtroom where his civil fraud trial is taking place today, trump did what he's done repeatedly in the two months since that trial began, proclaimed his innocence and play the victim. >> we put on a case that it's absolutely 100% -- there's not a judge in the country that wouldn't have given us a total victory, but there's not a judge in the country that would have even taken this case. this is a witchhunt, and it's a

very corrupt trial. the attorney general sits here because she knows that she has a judge and no matter all the evidence, that judge is going to rule in her favor. >> msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin just left the court. tim miller is writer at large for the bulwark and an msnbc political analyst, harry litman is former deputy assistant attorney general and host of "talking feds podcast." great to have all of you here. so lisa, court just broke for lunch. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, this morning's testimony has been from a man named elitov. his testimony here is equivalent to a one-e person pep rally for donald trump's view of this case. eli bartov is essentially saying all valuation is inherently subjective. it's an art, not a science, and therefore there was nothing

materially wrong with trump's financial statements. he pointed to a single error with respect to trump's triplex. he said if you wanted to -- you would continue to perm perpetrate the fraud at $180 million instead of correcting your mistake. at the very end of today's court session right before lunch, the attorney general's office objected to an answer that mr. bartov gave saying he had gone well beyond the scope of his expertise and was instead saying whatever the trump folks were paying him to say. that got mr. bartov really hot under the collar, and he screamed essentially saying like you're indecent. i can't remember the exact quote, but he was outraged. never a dull day here at the trump civil fraud trial! so trump supporters have argued

that it's unfair that trump has to be in court instead of campaigning, and in fact, while lisa was coming out, he was coming out too and trump just said to cameras walki, they're keeping me here instead of in iowa and new hampshire which is a direct contradic to what he said in an email today where he argued that showp in court is a kind of campaigning. what this emailays is, quote, every time voters see me show up at a courthouse or a jail, whether it's for a sham arrest, a trial, or even a mug shot, they're reminded just how corrupt our government has become and how desperately we need a new president in the white house. >> well, contradictory, let's talk about the email. does he have a point there? we know he didn't have to be in court today. >> yeah, well, in the email there's some lies in there. he also stumbled on a true

admission, which is unusual for donald trump, which is that he does see this as campaigning. he didn't have to be there today. he doesn't want to go to iowa. he is an elderly man, we should remember that. he enjoys the finer things. he likes to sleep in his gaudy apartment in new york. he likes to sleep in bedminster, and he likes to sleep in mar-a-lago. he doesn't like to go to iowa or new hampshire. he sees himself as having a huge lead in the polls. i'm sure we'll talk about the debate later in this hour. he sees that as not really relevant, and his presence there making -- diminishing that, or his lack of presence there diminishing that, and he sees this as the central part of his campaign. i'm your retribution. i am sticking my finger in the eye of these new york elites that are trying to jail me. this is the heart of his campaign, and it is how he will be spending his time campaigning for the foreseeable future. >> all right, harry, let's go back to what actually the legal part of this is, since tim has

summarized so well the politics of this, and as we heard, it's been a lot of the offense witnesses in the last couple of weeks who things like former executives, bank executives, financial experts, saying the kinds of things that lisa just said we heard today and kind of at one point, the judge back that had up. he said, quote, if there's one thing we've learned over the last eight weeks, it is that banks like billionaires. does that matter? is that relevant to the heart of his case, harry? >> not a whit. legally it's not relevant because whatever an accounting professor wants to say about valuations, the charge is having lied. you can lie when you make exorbitant valuations. the whole defense case seven a little bit puzzling, chris. he knows, trump just said himself in public, he's going to lose and he's going to lose because the judge engoron is the one acting as jury and is going

to make the decisions. after he loses, it goes up to the next court and the next court will say was there a reasonable basis to find against him. and anything that's coming out now including his prospective testimony on monday doesn't change that fact. so it really serves only a political purpose, and in fact, it's got some danger because if he does testify, he'll be subject to cross examination and probably not as last time when he testified just letting him go on and on. but very pointed questions. you knew this was false, didn't you, mr. trump, et cetera. so there's really only a political purpose here, and it's anyone who can, you know, knows the law a little bit would see there's not much basis for him or much of any of this testimony on defense. yes, banks like billionaires, so what. engoron's going to rule against him. >> you say if he does testify,

he says he's going to, right? maybe he believes, i mean, he feels so strongly that what he's saying is right that he can convince anybody that he's right. but what do you make of this, again, as a legal strategy, his being the last voice the defense puts on the stand? >> it's a name for him to testify. and remember, trump was going to testify and he didn't. if he does, it's because he wants to do it for political reasons but anything he'll say on direct about the magnificence of the trump empire really is irrelevant, and he could really be pushed to the wall by an adept cross examiner. it's not smart, knowing as he does -- he said it hills and everybody in the courtroom i'm sure, lisa, would affirm knows that the decision is going against him by justice engoron. >> tim, i want to shift gears here a little bit because it's going -- today is the eighth anniversary of donald trump proposing a muslim ban. it seems like maybe eight decades ago.

msnbc is the first to obtain a statement from the president discussing it. hehat president biden's statement says. the proposal meaning the muslim ban was a cynical p it was about sowing fear and distrust of muslim americans and all wh president trump followed through on his proposal and signed an executive order banning citizens from primarily muslim countries, it stained our national consen. it was cruel. the order separated loved ones and inflicted needless pain. th the united states of america. we celebrate the diversity that is our strength. we treat each other with dignity and respect. does that tell you anything about the white house strategy more to the point the biden campaign strategy? why put that out today? >> i think it tells us something really important, chris, that the white house has decided it's really time to go on offense against their opponent donald trump, maybe not in the way that

everybody in cable news would like them to, taking shots all the time, but to have a concerted effort. you know, the white house posture for months at times, to some criticism from some of the democratic party was not to highlight donald trump's craziest comments. i think now as it's become k becoming clearer and clearer, there's no obligation to put out a statement. i'm glad he did. it's the type of thing that gets memory hold by average voters and we should talk about it and remember it in the context of the campaign. green card holders were put in airport cells for a little while. it was as un-american as an executive order as has been pass ed in modern times. i went to my brother's graduation. one of the speakers, her parents could not come visit and watch her graduate and speak as valedictorian because they came from one of those countries. so this did have a real impact and it was a stain, and i'm glad that the white house is doing this because it's just time to deal with reality that their opponent is going to be donald

trump and they've got to drive the conversation and not just let him drive the conversation. >> lisa rubin, harry litman, thank you both. tim, don't go anywhere, we are going to talk to you a little bit more in a moment. we're also getting new video of a heartbreakingly familiar scene on american college campuses. students who had to essentially run for their lives as a gunman opened fire in las vegas. what we're learning about a possible motive and the victims of the attack. we're back in 60 seconds. ctims of the attack. we're back in 60 seconds a few years ago, i came to saona, they told me there's no electricity on the island.

we always thought that whatever we did here would be an emblem of what small communities can achieve. trying to give a better life to people that don't have the means to do it. si mi papá estuviera vivo, sé que él tuviera orgulloso también de vivir de esta viviendo una vida como la que estamos viviendo ahora. es electricidad aquí es salud. it's a move that's being called high stakes and high risk. georgia's republican-controlled legislature just passed a new congressional redistricting plan that creates a court ordered black majority district but dismantles another. nbc news senior reporter jane timm is following this story for us. what exactly did they do here? >> so republicans were ordered to create this new majority

black district. the order says you cannot dismantle another minority opportunity seat to do so, and it looks like republicans may have done that. they dismantled lucy mcbath's district, and that's a coalition district, it's hispanic, black, and asian voters who make up a majority of the district and collectively tend to vote for democrats in that state. dismantling that district kept the partisan balance for republicans here, which seems to be what the goal was. and the judge may well say this isn't okay. you have not complied with my order, and he could appoint a special master to redraw the maps, sort of like what we saw in alabama. perhaps more influentially, this map could end up at the supreme court because republicans say only single group minorities are covered by the voting rights act. these coalition districts which are increasingly common and multiracial, multiincreasingly diverse country, they're very common, so republicans say we complied with the order and only

single groups are covered by the voting rights act. >> that essentially means there are people who want to run for office who don't really know where they're going to run necessarily, right? >> i think this happens all the time, there's so many districts that are up in the air right now. but likely you're likely to see a very quick order from this court, dh will put the maps in place for this year, but the court fight i think is going to last a lot longer than just 2024's election. >> jane timm, thank you for that breaking news, appreciate it. today the university of nevada campus is closed in las vegas as that city, scarred by th nation's adlit mass shooting in our history now grapples with another. we're learning more about the shooter who killed three people and injured one yesterday in what the gun violence archives says is the 633rd american mass shooting this year. two law enforcement sources have identified the gunman as 67-year-old anthony polito. they tell nbc news he was a professor who had applied for a job at the university three

years ago. he was killed in a standoff with police. now, it is still unclear why he chose to open fire yesterday on the fourth floor of the business school. he was surrounded by classes and groups studying for exams, barely a week before winter break. the survivors right now experiencing grief, shock, and have questions. >> now that i've calmed down a bit, now i just feel angry. the fact that this happens over and over again is ridiculous. school shootings have been happening since i was born. i'm tired of it. and like i don't know how i can just walk around on campus after this. college is supposed to be the best time of your life, not the end of it. >>. the campus is just a 15-minute drive from the las vegas healing garden where a tree stand marking each of the people killed by a mass shooter there in 2017. nbc's dana griffin is reporting live from las vegas, talk a little more about what we know and what's happening there.

>> reporter: yeah, chris, right now the campus is really quiet. but we have seen law enforcement escorting what appears to be professors and students inside some of the neighboring buildings to my left and right, and through this breezeway behind us, that is the lee business school where this shooting took place on the fourth floor. still waiting for answers about the motive. we know that a picture is starting to be painted as far as connection. this guy polito applied to be a professor here and did not get the job. is that part of the motive? possibly, but police have not said that. we don't know yet who are the victims or at least what maybe their connection, are they students? are they faculty members? are they decision-makers here at the university? hopefully that's all new information that will unfold. the community here is pretty heavy considering that this is the second time that a mass shooting has scarred this community.

people frustrated -- and i think that last soundbite that you played from that student about college being the best time of your life, it shouldn't be the end of it, really speaks volumes. a lot of people across the country are frustrated by these mass shootings that we've had in this country. here on campus it's just a sober reminder of the dangers of just going to school. right now investigators are still behind us. we've seen several officers combing through the area. hopefully they'll have an update for us on what took place, what happened, and as we learn more about the shooting here. >> chris. >> nbc's dana griffin, thank you for that. right now take a look, live pictures of crowds in tel aviv lighting candles for the first night of hanukkah, but with war raging, the time for celebration is overshadowed by the unknown. what will happen to the hostages still trapped in gaza? our reporter is standing by. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. g "chrisg reports" only on msnbc

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. the u.s. and israel appear to be on a collision course, diplomatically. that wall street journal headline summarizing the escalating tensions as fierce battles rage inside khan yunis. the city is also now packed with civilians, many of them there because they fled from the north and are facing exactly the danger the white house wants

israel to minimize. innocent lives threatened by both military action and the suffering of a renewed humanitarian crisis. last night after an air strike leveled a home in rafah, the horrors of war were encollapselated when our nbc news team spoke to this little girl who said, the situation is not well, not safe even. at night we sleep in fear. it's dark like a grave. look at how people are living. they are sitting outside destroyed. we want to return to our homes, people help us. we are tired of this life. nbc's raf sanchez reports from tel aviv once again. you're in israel where folks are lighting candles on this first day of hanukkah. talk a little bit about what you're seeing and what you're hearing there. >> reporter: yeah, chris, we are in the heart of tel aviv in a square that has become in some ways the beating heart of israel. this is where families of the hostages have been gathering for the eight weeks of this war

making sure that the world doesn't forget their loved ones. and tonight on this first night of hanukkah they are lighting 137 candles behind me in honor of those 130 hostages who remain in hamas captivity inside of gaza. you probably can't see but the ambassador of united states jack lew is actually on stage right now. he is himself an observant jew, and he was saying this is a painful moment for people in this country, but it's also a moment to remember hope, to remember the story of hanukkah. this is a festival of lights, but it is a solemn night here on this first night of hanukkah in tel aviv. behind me past this crowd, there is a very, very long table, which was set out in the first days after the october 7th terror attack, and there are seats placed there for the missing people, the hostages being held inside gaza, and there are four seats right now

for the members of the bibas family. that's 10-month-old kfir, his 4-year-old brother, ariel, their mother shiri and their father. hamas is claiming that those two little boys and their mother were killed in an israeli air strike inside of gaza. that's something the israeli military says they cannot confirm. but hamas released just this truly agoniing video of their father yarden having been informed by his captors that his children and that his wife were dead, pleading for the israeli government to free him, to free the remaining hostages. israel says this is a form of psychological terror. it's what you'd expect from hamas. but people here are gathered on the first night of hanukkah to show the world that these hostages haven't been forgotten, chris. >> nbc's raf sanchez, thank you so much for that reporting. i want to bring in collin clark, director of policy and research at the sufan group. i just got some information from

the pool at the white house, and for the first time in 11 days, this would be day 11, president biden and prime minister netanyahu have had a conversation. we're waiting for the readout, to be honest those readouts generally are pretty -- we don't get a lot of information, but the fact that they had not just spoken in ten days, but since the cease fire fell apart, and now at least did have a conversation today. i wonder what you imagine that conversation might be about and how important it is that they're at least talking. >> well, yeah, probably quite a tense conversation as the united states and the biden administration continue to press the israelis to rein in the civilian casualties and collateral damage. that's lot of the conversation here, as you know, domestically in the united states, and i think that the biden administration is trying to thread the needle between expressing support for the israelis but at the same time,

when we see images coming out of gaza, understanding what those images being in the eyes of most of the world. >> let's talk about a little bit of that, collin. a u.s. official tells us that israel is considering flooding hamas's tunnels with sea water, an released hostage w were being held in those tunnels are furious. there was some leaked audio of a meeting with the war cabine and one of those hostages, former hostages confronted prime ministeretanyahu saying my hu was separated from us three days before we returned to israel and was takenthe tunnels, and you're talking about flooding the tunnels with sea water? you are bombing t routes exactlre they are located. netanyahu responded to the families and former hostages that there is, quote, a substantial effort to gather evidence and reach everyone, at which point family members reportedly yelled shame over and over. how much support is israel risking here, both

diplomatically and in the court of public opinion. those two things often being tied. >> i think risking a lot of international public support, even secretary of defense lloyd austin has come out and warned the israelis that any tactical victories could risk a broader strategic failure, if we continue to see the numbers of civilian deaths and then there's the domestic political situation for the israelis in terms of the hostages. how do they achieve their stated goal of eradicating hamas, which let's put that aside, the feasibility of that and bringin remaining hostages. it's going to be difficult when you look at the aerial did bombardment and the overall campaignsraelis are waging on the groundnouthern gaza right now. >> i want to get your take sort of in that realm on the blistering analysis by r paip where he writes despite nearly two months of heavy military operations virtually

unrestrained by the united states and the rest of the world, israel has achieved only marginal results. he's calling this campaign a failure. what do you make of that? obviously we've seen a lot of destruction, but to your point, if the end goal is to obliterate hamas, what has been achieved? >> well, i just -- and the p parks e analysis is very interesting. he's one of the world's leading experts on air power as a coercive instrument. his assessment should not be taken lightly. i think the israelis are moving into the next phase, which is starting to look less like counterterrorism and more like counterinsurgency. i think the biden administration has been wise to at least flag this and urge the netanyahu government and others to resist occupying gaza. i just haven't -- for my like ing a full explanation of how

the military campaign -- in terms of a negotiated political settlement. that's something we're going to need to hear more about, and we're going to need to hear more about that soon. >> collin clarke from the soufan group, thank you so much for being on the program. republican candidates are fanning out across the country after last night's bombastic primary debate, the target of many of the most personal attacks, not the front runner, nikki haley, and she says she loved it. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. >> the only person more fascist that has the biden regime now is nikki haley. >> i love all the attention, fella, thank you for that. and it's gentle on her skin. tide free & gentle is epa safer choice certified. it's got to be tide.

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surprise, turns out the end of the republican debate season isn't the end after all. we've just learned that two more debates have been added in january, even before the impact of last night's debate is clear. here's what is clear, the front runner, donald trump, once again was not the main target but rather nikki haley, whose strong performances in earlier debates have fueled her rise in the polls. >> you have other candidates up here like nikki haley, she caves anytime the left comes after her, anytime the media comes after her. >> nicky, you were bankrupt when you left the u.n. now you're a multimillionaire. that math does not add up. it adds up to the fact that you are corrupt. >> we know from her history nikki will cave to those big donors when it counts. >> the only person more fascist

than the biden regime now is nikki haley. >> i love all the attention, fellas, thank you for that. >> we're 17 minutes into this debate, and except for your little speech in the beginning, we've had these three acting as if the race is between the four of us. >> nbc's shaquille brewster is at the be debate site in tuscaloosa, alabama. tim miller is back with us as well. so jen, remember how much fun you used to have on debate nights? no pressure. it was fine. but the pressure was on nikki haley. what? >> i said it makes me want to vomit just to think about it. >> okay. well, i wonder if nikki haley felt that way last night. at one point vivek ramaswamy was holding up a handmade sign calling her corrupt. he said he's going to send her kids to die to she can buy a bigger house. after those three strong

showings of poll numbers and donations that kind of backed that up, did she cement her rise to number two or was she too cautious? where does her campaign stand? >> i think her rise to number two is fueled by people -- by republican donors in particular thinking that she is the best alternative to trump, and i don't think anything changed yesterday from the attacks to make people that are helping to fund her campaign, like the koch brothers think she is not the best alternative. the whole debate is interesting from a sociological perspective to understand people who appease donald trump, but i'm not sure how much bearing it's going to actually have on who the republican nominee is, but i don't think that any of the attacks on her did anything to hurt her standing. people just see her as the best viable electable alternative to trump. >> so tim, there's no doubt ron desantis needed to recover from

a series of bad reports. i mean, look, he had dropping poll numbers. there's been chaos in his super pac. how do you think he did? maybe the key question is are donors looking at him any more favorably today do you think? >> yeah, i have a really quick comment on jen's sociological experiment. another interesting experiment is how you deal with a model u.n. debate. we all have to pretend this is for real. that one chris christie line at the end was the apt one. donald trump is winning the national polls. he's beating nikki haley by 51 in the national polls. it's not close. it's not closing the gap. and so you know, i think sometimes you have to decide how do we cover this. what matters is that donald trump is the overwhelming front runner. as for desantis, i guess i would sum up how meaningless his debate was, i had other obligations while the debate was live so i came to watch it on replay. i scrolled through x whatever we're calling it, nobody's even talking about ron desantis.

you know, everyone's talking about haley versus vivek and chris christie versus trump. and desantis gave a very conventional debate performance that was similar to how ted cruz would have done in 2016, and it was fine, but he's losing by double-double double digits. so fine isn't good enough for ron desantis anymore. >> so shaq, we've established nikki haley was the one with the target on her back. what are we hearing from that campaign today? >> reporter: you hear haley saying and acknowledging that she was on the defensive for much of the night, but she's saying that it's because in her words, she is surging. surging, of course, is relative because in those same polls she's referencing, you see donald trump dominating in the first place position. normally she's able to talk about her record, talk about herself, introduce herself a little bit more and then throw a jab here and there. last night she was on the defensive on so many issues, from her comments on tiktok, to

her record on foreign policy, to her corporate connections and gop donor endorsements that coming into last night's debate was seen as an asset for her. i want you to listen to what she's been saying this morning. >> my focus is we have a country to save. we've got an economy where inflation is high. every one of these students are wondering how they're going to be able to afford a home. they want to know how they're going to pay off their student loans. they want to know how they're going to continue to get a job. those are things we have to be focused on. we're worried about crime in our streets, or fentanyl crossing the border, there's a lot of o'issues, that's why we're surging in iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina is because we're talking about the issues that matter to normal people. >> reporter: the hope that -- the sense of hope that you're hearing from the candidates is that you look at the early state polls, the early primary and caucus states, they're the margin between them and former

president trump is tighter. the problem is you have that vote so spread out and you have those candidates still staying in and vowing to stick in. you heard that a lot last night in the spin room. it really causes a question of when they'll be able to take donald trump on in the way that some of them say they want to. >> all right, tim, i think i know what your answer is going to say, but i'm going to ask the question anyway, what do you make of two more debates now coming up in january? is that good for voters or an exercise in futility? >> i think it's an exercise in futility. i mean, we can do it if we want, you know, whatever entertains people, i guess they can turn it on if they want, but if donald trump isn't there, i don't understand what the point is, and sometimes it's nice to have a breath of fresh air like chris christie up there reminding people of what's really happening in the real primary in the real world where republican voters are discussing this. they like donald trump, and so if donald trump's not there, this is kind of just a silly little exercise. >> if we go over to the democratic side, jen, you know,

the president at least publicly has been expressing confidence, and he's gotten some i would call it good news. it shows that democratic support for his handing of the israel-hamas war is up. 59% of voters are expressing support now. it was just 50% a month ago. is he right to have optimism to be patient while we're simultaneously, i think, seeing him also be more aggressive? >> i think that you have to stage the campaign. we're a year out. you have to stage the campaign to make the argument about what you have accomplished. i think that the way the biden team looks at it is they're team normal. trump is team chaos. part of what they have to prove is not just that they've gotten things done that have improved people's lives, but the theory can work, right? have faith that government, democracy can work. it can respond, it can address

the problems. need to make that argument for the long-term, and you have definitely seen both the president and the campaign being more aggressive in defining trump and the risks that he -- the risks that he poses. this week we've had a lot of great coverage from the atlantic to coverage on this network, "the new york times," "axios" about how dangerous a second term agenda for trump would be, and i think the biden campaign's charge is how do you make that tangible, real for voters, how it's going to affect your lives. >> so let me ask you about that. do you think that trump's dictator remark from the fox town hall, did that dictator remark give in some sense president biden a gift? and has he taken full advantage of it? >> not yet, but you know, that's the gift that's going to keep on giving between now and election day. he said he would be a dictator. there are certain things that stand out. he said a woman should be

punished who has an abortion. he crows about overturning -- being the guy that overturned roe v. wade. he said he would be a dictator on day one. he said that immigrants were poisoning the blood of america. but it is, you know, you don't do this overnight, you have to do it over -- stage this out over the course of the year. there's a year to do that. they know what they got. the biden campaign knows what goal that is for voters to say trump said himself he would be a dig ta tor. make these arguments.t a >> jen paul mary, shaquille brewster, tim miller, thank you all very much. coming up, an nbc investigation, why it's so hard to charge officers on federal task forces in questionable shooting cases. plus, one of the country's most prominent d.a.'s is fighting to change that. and it's been called the new partisan weapon, for the third time in just one year, a democratic member of congress censured, this time for pulling

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by nbc news investigations, and really we found for a federal officer or federal task force member to be charged in a police misconduct case involving shooting is exceedingly rare and a conviction is even more rare. we dug into those numbers. we also spoke with a local prosecutor working to change that. she's actually taking on the case, and you may recognize her from another high profile case. take a look. >> jimmy hill spends his days fighting for justice for his son, jimmy atchison shot and killed by law enforcement. >> you can't take life because you decide you want to up and take a life. he was a living, breathing human being. >> in december 2018, 2021-year-old atchison was accused of stealing a purse at gunpoint. local prosecutors say the fbi did not have a search warrant. atchison ran to a neighbor's home where police cornered him in a bedroom closet under a pile of clothes.

according to fbi documents, atlanta police officer saw atchison move his right hand and thinking he had a gunshot him. local prosecutors say atchison was unarmed and defenseless. atchison's aunt, tammy featherstone. >> what about that moment stands out to you? >> the hurt in my sister's face. the pain of losing her only son, to know that he was unarmed and afraid and was killed in that manner, that is what really hurt me more than anything. >> i was already prepared this was going to be a fight. >> reporter: that fight is especially hard, kim a local atlanta police officer was part of the fbi task force, a designation that at the time meant he did not need to wear a body camera. it also brings its own set of protections, especially from local prosecutors seeking information about the case. >> if the federal government

makes it literally impossible to get that information, local prosecutor's hands are tied. >> reporter: the case is being handled by fulton county district attorney fani willis, best known for charging former president donald trump and 18 others with election interference in georgia, but this case could prove more difficult. >> an nbc news investigation found 223 people were shot by federal officers. task force officers or local police in cases tied to doj enforcement. in the cases for which nbc news had documents, the shootings were justified a percent of the time. >> we found the federal agencies were uncooperative. i found that other prosecutors around the nation may have tried to do the correct thing, to bring charges, and they find that there are so many road blocks, it becomes impossible to do. >> during that five-year period we examined, the case is one of

only two that resulted in charges. willis has charged kim with murder. part of her challenge, she says is the slow pace in getting files and case information from the justice department. >> you find that, you believe that people are being purposely uncooperative, and they give you a document back, and it's literally the entire page is redacted. >> this has happened to you? >> that is an actual thing that has happened. >> reporter: the department of justice did not specifically respond to willis's comments, but said because there are circumstances where the use of force may occur, we recently updated our policy to ensure it paralleled the best practices of law enforcement. kim's case was moved to federal court, where historically judges are ruled that federal law protects officers from being prosecuted by local authorities. kim has retired from the atlanta police department and pleaded not guilty. both he and his attorney

declined our request for comment. the doj says it is expanding the use of body cameras, and the fbi tells nbc news we've got to keep doubling down on our partnerships with state, local and federal law enforcement. it's not enough to coexist. we've got to compliment one another and be truly integrated. kim's trial date not yet been set. until then, jimmy hill says he'll keep going for his son. >> he should be alive today. we're going to continue to fight. there's no giving up. >> reporter: that's one part of the multipart investigation by the investigations team. certainly all of it digs into why it is so rare to see federal officers actually charged in these sorts of shootings. there are a number of advocacy groups fighting this. >> blayne alexander with an important story, thank you. a major update in the case

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