top and bottom of box. good tips for those trying to pack something fragile for their own shipping. >> do we know where the harry style poster is going? ? since i moved out, yes. i think it's going to be the harry styles tribute room, perhaps. >> brian cheung, we love your mom. thank you very much. >> i do too. appreciate it, thanks. that's going to do it this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00. we're working on getting the brian cheung posters ready to go. ryan nobles hosts "katy tur reports" right now. chris, thank you. good to be with you. i'm ryan nobles in today for katy tur. and former president donald trump is back in new york today, taking a front row seat for one of the final defense witnesses in his $250 million civil fraud

trial. a trial that threatens to upend his personal fortune and real estate business. the former president could take the stand in his own defense on monday, but today the court is hearing from an accounting expert who described new york attorney general's letitia james' claims of fraud as meritless, saying, quote, my main finding is that there is no evidence whatsoever for any accounting fraud. this is trump's first appearance since an appellate court reinstated a gag order barring him from talking about the court staff on social media. while the clerks are off limits, trump didn't waste time renewing his attacks on the judge arthur. >> a case that is absolutely 100%, there's not a judge in the country that wouldn't have given us a total victory, but there's not a judge in the country that would have even taken this case. this is a witch hunt, and a very corrupt trial.

the attorney general sits here because she knows that she has a judge that no matter all the evidence, that judge is going to rule in her favor. >> joining us now is msnbc anchor, yasmin vossoughian. so tell us, what's the latest from the courtroom? >> reporter: a lot has been going on today. earlier this morning, a lot of people were asking me why the former president is here. and i think we know why, what the defense team sees as their star witness. before i get into what we have heard from his testimony throughout the day and some of the color from inside the courtroom we're getting from lisa rubin. i want to play sound from the former president outside the courtroom. he has made two appearances, one in which he was walking in. another, they took a break. let's take a listen to the former president going after judge engoron. >> we won this case at the appellate division and this judge refuses to acknowledge the appellate division.

he said very specifically, we're going forward. because there's something wrong here. nobody's ever seen something like this. when you win at the appellate division, the judge has to be bound by what the decision is. we won at the appellate decision. >> reporter: so testimony so far today inside the courtroom, i just want to tell you, he's getting paid a heck of a lot of money to be an expert witness. he's appeared in front of goldman sachs, the s.e.c. testifying as well. an expert witness for the new york ag. here's what he offered in his testimony, i have reviewed hundreds of statements and i must tell you, i have never seen a statement that provides so much detail and is so transparent as these statements. the amount of disclosure in the footnotes, he adds, is awesome. you would think the former president had told him to say that exact thing verbatim. i want to give you more color before i send it back to you. that is the former president

stopping by the sketch artist inside the courtroom, and he says this, a moment of levity, i will say. he stops by the first time and he says, nice, when he sees a picture of himself, ryan, and the second time he rolls by and says, that's me, i think i need to lose some weight. that's what's happening inside the courtroom. today we know looking ahead to next week, the former president planning on testifying on monday on behalf of the defense, then there will be the rebuttal from the prosecution. they'll lead it out to january, in which closing statements will begin, and hopefully a decision or possibly a decision weeks after that. >> if we needed more evidence that he's trying to win the case in the court of public opinion, the former president working the sketch artist on his way out. yasmin vossoughian, thank you so much for the color and the report. we appreciate it. joining us now to talk more about this is former federal prosecutor and former deputy chief of the sdny, and legal analyst, and former federal prosecutor, paul butler.

eric trump, we thought there was a chance he be called was not called for the defense, and the former president wrote on truth social that he told his son not to. what does that tell you about the level of control that trump has over the defense's strategy? >> i think he has total control over the defense strategy, and it's interesting that he chose, even though he's not testifying today to show up today, and why did he do that? because i think he really wanted to make sure the press was there to cover this expert testimony, which he thinks is important to their case, and if you look at some of the things that this expert was saying, i mean, it's ludicrous. he says that the financial statements were not fraudulent, and that people who don't know anything about accounting may think it's fraud, but really these are just errors, and something like tripling the size of an apartment, well, that's just inflation, and as a former federal prosecutor and paul would know this as well, like, we know the difference between

blatant fraud and an honest mistake. there were so many examples throughout the trial that you saw there was an intent to defraud, we have these forbes e-mails where they were telling don jr. about the fact that the size of the apartment was tripled, and these numbers don't add up. and what does don jr. do? he tells his outside accountants there are no material misstatements in this financial fraud, so when this expert says, well, it's just an inflation, it's an error, that doesn't comport with the testimony of the documents that actually came in as evidence at this trial. >> so he was in the courtroom today. there's a chance he could be on the witness stand maybe as soon as monday. the former president, the last time he was on the stand was combative and that was when he was a witness for the prosecution. these attacks have continued on social media, every interview he gets. what can we expect if he's back on the stand on monday?

>> look, i think it will be more of the same. the gag order is in place, but the gag order is only there to limit what he says about court staff, so don't expect him to start with any personal attacks against the law clerk while he's on the stand. that would be in direct violation of the gag order. so who knows if he'll follow that. that order is still in place. but attacks on the judge, attacks on the new york ag, attacks on pretty much anybody else, he's attacked the judge's wife. all of that is open season. so i expect more of the same unless there's going to be a real consequence that he's going to actually feel that this order has some teeth. now, the judge has said he will vigorously enforce that gag order. so we'll stay tuned on monday, but i think as you've said, like, he's much more interested in the court of public opinion here, and i think his testimony will largely be combative as we've seen from him in the past. >> one more for you, kristy.

let's talk about the new york appeals court, they've continued the stay of the judge's order, cancelling business certificates but denied a stay of the other relief granted to the attorney general after its summary judgment victory. what does this mean for the final decision and the future of trump's businesses because this could impact him in a very big way? >> it certainly could. the potential penalties as a result of this trial are enormous. the new york ag is looking at 250 million or so in financial penalties, and even more importantly preventing the family from being able to do business in new york, from being officers or directors of any new york corporation, and, you know, from also being able to get loans, do business transactions for some period of time in new york. the stakes are high as a result of this trial, and i do think that that is why the judge has said that he would like to have

some briefing. after donald trump testifies on monday, there's going to be a time where both sides will get to brief this, and then argue it in january and then i think a large part of why the judge is doing that is to try and make sure there's a very clear record so that when he does issue his opinion on what discouragement there's going to be, on what penalties he's going to assess, that he has a very clear record for when this goes up on appeal. >> paul, let's turn to you and talk about one of trump's other legal issues here, and that's the case that special counsel jack smith is looking into regarding election interference in d.c. the trump legal team filed a notice that they are piling judge chutkan's denial of the motion to dismiss the d.c. indictment on presidential immunity and constitutional grounds, one week after judge chutkan ruled against that. she has scheduled the trial date to take place in march. she's ready to move forward. could this appeal slow that process down?

>> it might. everybody knew this appeal was coming, including judge chutkan who wrote a careful, nuanced opinion. so it's designed, the opinion is designed to survive review by the court of appeals and by the supreme court. there are interesting constitutional issues about the scope of presidential immunity, but trump is likely to lose on those issues. last week, the same court of appeals that trump is appealing to now decided a case where it say that trump doesn't have immunity from civil litigation related to january 6th. there are different issues in a criminal case but the outcome is likely to be the same, so strategically, this is as usual, all about delay. so trump's lawyers realize the trial is scheduled from march 4th. that's right around the corner. they're running scared. they have asked the court of appeals to order judge chutkan to put everything on hold until the court of appeals decides the case. i don't think that's going to

happen. she can still decide pretrial motions. here's the thing, if the supreme court takes this case, and that's a big if, they could delay the trial until whenever they issued that decision, and we have no idea when that would be. >> that's the key. even if it's being considered, that would be enough to slow this process down. let's also talk about jack smith. he's seeking permission from judge chutkan to introduce evidence that isn't specifically charged in the criminal indictment but maybe relevant to the jury and their consideration of the alleged crimes. what does that mean, and how does that impact the case? >> the biggest hurdle that prosecutors have in all of the trump case is proving trump's motive, his criminal intent. if he persuades 12 people in a d.c. jury that he believed the election was fraudulent, then he walks. new reporting that trump has been denying elections for years, even in 2016, he cast

doubt about whether the result of that election were legitimate until he won. >> he said afterwards that the popular vote was wrong. >> exactly, so he has a pattern and practice of election denial, so that's a rebuttal to his claim that he honestly believed he really won. he didn't is what jack smith hopes he can persuade a d.c. jury. >> great conversation. paul butler and kristy greenberg. a nevada grand juror has indicted six fake electors into the probe of the 2020 election interference. the wednesday's indictments include kenneth chesebro, one time attorney to donald trump, called the alleged architect of the elector scheme. joining us now is senior national political reporter for nbc news, natasha, tell us who was charged? >> the people charged are the

hierarchy of the nevada republican party. you have the gop chair of the state party who's been charged now with two felony counts, michael mcdonald. we wrote about this previously, he testified in the federal grand jury with regard to election interference. also charged is the vice chairman, jim degraffenreid. and the rest of those charged are all republican party members. what's significant here and worth noting is that these same republican hierarchy is going to be running in two and a half months, running the nevada presidential primary caucuses. and they have already been accused of being in the tank for donald trump, this is going to make it a lot more difficult for them. obviously weekly. but politically to make the case that this is going to be fair

caucuses they're going to be holding in just a couple of months here. >> and of course, kenneth chesebro is an interesting figure, reportedly cooperating with the fulton county's district attorney's office, and their sprawling racketeering case. is there any indication he's cooperating with nevada's attorney general as well? >> yes, there is. attached to the indictments yesterday was the witness list for the prosecution, and on that witness list, kenneth chesebro. so it's a pretty good indication that he's been talking to prosecutors. there has been reporting indicating such, and there's also been reporting that he has talked to arizona state prosecutors. and each of these states, just like nevada, they're looking at these electors, looking at what they did that day. they weren't charged federally, but in the individual states, attorney generals are saying, we're not going to let this go, we're going to charge this as a crime. >> thank you for being here, we

appreciate it. two months since the october 7th attack by hamas, what families who have loved ones being held hostage, what they're saying about prime minister's netanyahu's efforts to get them out. funding for ukraine is in limbo, what republicans want for exchange. first, another shooting on a college campus. what we know about the attack that left three people dead. we're back in 60 seconds. hi, i'm michael, i've lost 62 pounds on golo and i have kept it off. most of the weight that i gained was strictly in my belly which is a sign of insulin resistance. but since golo, that weight has completely gone away, as you can tell. thanks to golo and release, i've got my life and my health back.

gun violence is top of mind today on capitol hill where lawmakers and family members of victims held a press conference to mark a grim date on the calendar. next week will mark eleven years since a nman shot and killed 26 students and staff members inside sandy hoo elementary school. 20 of those killed were between the ages of 6 and 7. and one of the most horrendous mass shootings in american history. congress remembers those victims, investigators are trying to figure out what motivated a 67-year-old man they

say opened fire at the university of nevada-las vegas yesterday. two senior law enforcement officials briefed on the case tell nbc news that anthony polito applied for a professor position and was not hired. that was back in 2020. four people were shot, and three of them were killed. joining us now is nbc news correspondent, dana griffin. tell us the latest. what do investigators know so far about why this unfolded? >> reporter: well, ryan, they have made at least a connection to the suspected shooter. polito applied for a job here in 2020. was not hired. so they are obviously looking into whether that may be part of the motivation for the shooting. i spoke with one student who tells me that he believes this shooter was targeting professors, not students. we have not gotten a confirmation on who was killed and the three people who were killed and the one person who is still in the hospital. that's coming from one of the students who says he was meeting

with a professor inside that building. this all unfolded yesterday around noon just before several people were inside the business school that's located behind me. we have seen a lot of activity out here. it's starting to get a little bit quiet now. that's when they heard several shots. investigators say he started on the fourth floor, went to different floors. he was confronted by two on campus officers who shot and killed him outside neutralizing that threat, as they say. there were several students inside this billion, also outside. they were having food and planning to build legos. so they say that killing this suspect may have saved more lives. ryan? >> and how is the faculty and staff of this school moving forward after such a devastating day? >> reporter: yeah, i think they're just now starting to process. from the people we have seen coming in and out, a lot of people have been able to go in nearby buildings to collect

their belongings. there's anger and frustration that this keeps happening. there's one student who talked to my colleague steve patternson who said that he was also involved in the 2017 shooting at the country music festival and the fact that he was inside that building just six years later, and to experience this again, it is very frustrating for people who want these sort of targeted shootings to stop. a lot of students have left campus. some are staying at nearby hotels that have offered to house students so they don't have to come back to campus. it's very triggering for some. others are being held at a larger facility so they can have somewhere to sleep and stay until the campus reopens. it is closed through sunday. >> finals, getting ready to pack up for the holidays. our thoughts with everyone. joining us is nevada congresswoman, susie lee who serves on the gun violence prevention task force.

i know you just flew into las vegas a few hours ago. you were up here on capitol hill, dealing with everything that's happening around the negotiations with the supplemental, and everything else. you did get a chance to speak to some of the people on the ground in the state that you represent. what are they telling you, and what was it like what they went through? >> first and foremost, thank you for having me, ryan. again, this is a community that is devastated one more time by gun violence. like so many communities across this country, this is the 631st mass shooting in our country this year alone. i had an opportunity to talk to president keith whitfield, clearly there's a lot of concern about the mental of the students and faculty. a lot of appreciation to the first responders. the university police, as well as metro and the fbi who were, you know, quick response and honestly prevented so much more

senseless death as a result of this. so there's appreciation. there's frustration. and obviously more importantly, just concern for the students in this community to heal at this time. concern about are we even going to open up for finals, which are supposed to be next week. so a lot to take in, and a lot to deal with, with this community, to help us heal once again from a tragic mass shooting, and obviously, as you can imagine, a lot of frustration. >> let's dive into the statistics a little bit. you mentioned one of them. 630 mass shootings in the u this year. that's a new record. 38 mass killings, and 40,000 people have died in shootings this year in america alone. yet, just this week, the senate blocked a ban on assault-style weapons and a call for universal background checks. if that can't get accomplished

and i know you've dealt with these debates a lot on capitol hill, is there any room for compromise as incidents like this continue to happen over and over again? >> you know, listen, as i said before, this is a club you do not want to be a part of. and sadly, with each passing day, i mean, almost two mass shootings a day, communities across the country are going to be confronted with this type of violence. as you know, elections have consequences, and for those people who are not willing to take these common sense measures. as you know, we have brought four discharge petitions to the floor of the house. we need 218 members to sign these, to pass this legislation, whether you're talking about the background checks act, closing the charleston loophole. assault weapons ban, even ethans law, just safe storage. these are simple, common sense steps that we can take and i

believe that across this country, there is frustration, and i hope that americans express that frustration at the ballot box, and elect people who are going to take steps to keep them and their families safer. >> congresswoman susie lee, your community still reeling from that awful shooting in 2017, now having to deal with it all over again. we appreciate you being here. thanks so much. >> thanks, ryan. thanks for having me. coming up, he called republicans' tactics around ukraine aid stunning and dangerous. is president biden likely to strike a deal that would secure that funding. what secretary blinken told an adviser to netanyahu in a phone call today as israeli forces continue their ground operations in the heart of southern gaza strip. strip. with alka-seltzer plus cold & flu relief. also try for fizzy fast cough relief.

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today marks two months since the attack by hamas.

earlier today, president biden spoke with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu for the first time in ten days. and whilee don't yet know what he said in that call, we do kno that pressure is growing on the israeli prime minister. 137 ho remainn gaza, and this week leaked audio of a fiery exchange between recently freed hostages annetanyahu's war cabinet made one thing clear, they are not happy with the government's efforts to bring those still held home. ho. [ speaking in global language ]

just heartbreak, that woman explaining how her husband is suffering in captivity, and demanding the israeli pm do more to free him and others. joining us now is nbc news correspondent hala gorani, she is in jerusalem, so hala, what is the latest on the ground today? >> reporter: the latest in gaza is that the fighting in the southern part of the strip is continuing to intensify. the israeli military is inside of khan younis, the second largest city in the gaza strip and also encircling the refugee camp. they are detaining men of fighting age in the north. we understand that they are essentially rounding up men, and then determining later whether or not they may be related to hamas. so it could be men that are in tunnels, it could be men that have come out of the refugee

camp, so the situation on the ground is very much an active war zone against the backdrop of this continuing collapse of the medical system, of civil society, of the infrastructure with now the health ministry announcing that more than 17,000 palestinians have been killed since october 7th inside of the gaza strip while very little aid is trickling in to the gaza strip from the egyptian side of the border even though some fuel has made it in, it's what aid agencies are calling very much a drop in the ocean. much more is needed to get some of these medical centers, some of these bakeries and distribution centers back on track. >> there's 137 people still in captivity. how are the israeli people marking it? it's now been two months since october 7th. >> reporter: yeah, and you played that sound, which was very emotional, very powerful,

that former hostage who's saying that her husband, essentially in captivity was hitting himself in the face, he was so frustrated and so, you know, just in such a state of anxiety and panic at being held hostage, and in hostage square, this is an area where the families of those still detained have been gathering since october 7th. they are lighting 138 candles, one candle for each one of the people still detained by hamas on the first night of hanukkah, and in fact, the u.s. ambassador to israel, lit symbolically the very first one of the candles after a procession march to the ministry of defense. as you have been reporting, the families of the hostages arage -- are angry with the government for prioritizing military aims over the lives of their loved ones, ryan. >> hala gorani, live in jerusalem, thank you for that. joining us now, the former

israeli peace negotiator and president of the u.s. middle east project, daniel levy. why are we not hearing anything new in terms of negotiations for these remaining hostages? >> reporter: good question, ryan, and i think the short answer is that israel wants to pursue the military campaign and the hostages are not the priority. the israeli government is making the case that these two aims go together, there's no contradiction. it's only the military campaign that creates the space for a negotiation. that is not born out by the facts. we know the deal which led to that 7-day pause, which led to the release of several dozen of the hostages was available long before it was eventually taken up by israel. it was taken up primarily because of the pressure of the families, we heard that recording. there are families saying for heaven's sake, stop bombing.

some were almost killed in israeli bombings. if you're going to flood the tunnels, you're going to kill the hostages. many of the families and any rational outside observer would say it's a choice. release is the priority or your war aims as the priority, i think the war is not going well for israel. the other thing is when does the united states lean in and push for the hostage release to be the priority, and push for an end to this. i think the american ambassador in the american system would be far better off doing that than symbolically lighting candles. >> we know that president biden spoke earlier today with prime minister netanyahu, also the u.s. secretary of state, antony blinken said more needed to be done to protect civilians in gaza and increase aid into the region. it appears that the pressure is starting to build on the israeli government from both sides. how should netanyahu respond to

this? >> i don't think he feels that the american side of the pressure has reached a level that's a cause for concern for him. i think pressure internally from the families is moving the needle, but i think as long as he feels america is going to give him the cover and the backing, that's the headline. private messages may be a bit more pushy. the public messages are inching in that direction, but they are giving him still an awful lot of running room. in terms of saying that they still believe that this military objective is worry, can be pursued, can be achieved and we're two months, ryan, as you pointed out. day three, day 10, day 30. you know what, there's some unfortunate casualties amongst civilians but now, here we are. the evidence is in. 7,000 plus children, destruction on an unprecedented scale. the use of bombs that america

wouldn't use in iraq, afghanistan, at this level and such a highly dense civilian population area. we see the devastation in the humanitarian crisis, and i think it's time to get off of the gentle, very nuanced language, and if this is going to end, if we're going to see an end to this destruction, and we're going to see a hostage release, i think you're going to have to close that gap between what the americans need to be saying and what they are saying. unfortunately we're not there yet. >> interesting. you know, it's not just pressure that netanyahu is receiving from these hostage families. he also has a huge domestic political problem right now because the criticism over the security failures around the attack on october 7th just seems to grow. he most recently said they're going to look into the intelligence failures later. do the people of israel want answers now as to why this happened. >> you know, it's really interesting, ryan, and i think it's understandable that there's

cognitive dissonance, given the shock that israel has gone through. netanyahu's approval ratings are at a tremendous low point. people are looking at this and saying, how on earth did you allow this to happen, and here's what's really dangerous, netanyahu in his leadership, and they say the last thing we want is the morning after the war. then we're probably toast politically. the military operation has not gone that well. they are desperate to get some kind of winning image, and in the meantime, the hostages are stuck there, and the meantime, the suffering to palestinians is astronomical, and america is bleeding global credibility, and bleeding domestic support as well. >> excellent conversation. daniel levy, thank you so much for being here. we appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come, two more russians indicted by the doj today, what the u.s. government says they did and why they did it. but first, senate

republicans are holding up additional aid for ukraine in israel, what do they want from democrats in exchange for their support? suppor

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new today, nbc news has learned that a small group of senators were set to meet in an effort to find an agreement to pass the emergency supplemental aid bill that would provide funding to ukraine and israel. the bill was blocked in the

senate by republicans who want more border funding and policy changes, and vermont independent senator bernie sanders who's concerned about the funding for israel. senator chris murphy of connecticut who's the lead democratic negotiator says he's expecting republicans to pruts produce an offer. joining us now to talk more about this is the cofounder of "punchbowl news" john bresnahan. we have this reporting that b indicates there could be some movement when it comes to this $111 billion funding bill. james langford and chris murphy did meet for a little bit. it's interesting, the democrats don't sound all that optimistic. republicans seem to think there's an opening. where do you think these negotiations are headed? >> i don't think we can tell right now. i think that it is hung up. murphy has been insisting since democrats walked away from the negotiations on friday night

because they said these republican demands were just no way they could accept them. there was too much. they were pushing, you know, on they want to end the asylum system or dramatically revamp it. you know, they wanted to detain migrant families. so democrats walked away from that. it looks like they're trying to get it restarted, but i'm not sure that there is room for a deal. what you have here is republicans like you said, they feel that this is the best chance for them to get something on immigration and border security that they've seen in a while. they're using the leverage of ukraine funding. president biden has said he's open to significant compromises, but, you know, he's under pressure from his left. he's under pressure from pro

immigration groups. he can't go too far on this. they haven't found the sweet spot yet, and i'm not sure they'll get there. >> the sweet spot is difficult to find. the more republicans you bring on, the more democrats you lose. they obviously don't have that much time. let's talk about another big development on capitol hill. the house republicans unveiling their resolution to authorize impeachment inquiry against president biden. it does appear that they're going to have the votes to get this over the finish line, which is not an easy task. they're essentially going to need every republican to vote for this. why do you think they're deciding that now is the time to authorize this impeachment inquiry? >> well, they have been, you know, pushing this impeachment inquiry for a while now. former speaker kevin mccarthy had announced it. but now they need to formalize it. they feel like they're entering a critical stage of their investigation of biden and the biden family business, hunter biden.

his business dealings by his family members. let me put it that way. hunter biden, james biden, the house republicans have subpoenaed the president's brother and hi son over their business practices, and they're trying to link the president into this. they feel, republicans feel like they need this, they need to formalize the inquiry if they're going to get engaged in a legal battle with the president, which seems like it's going to happen, if they try to subpoena more of biden's personal records. so i think democrats did something similar in 2020, 2019 when they investigated former president donald trump. then speaker pelosi announced an inquiry, and then they voted eventually to formalize it. they're using the same template that democrats go. what i really want to talk about here is that, think about this, for the second presidential cycle in a row, we are going to have the incumbent president going into the year of his

reelection face ago possible impeachment. it doesn't mean they're going to impeach biden. we believe, once you start the inquiry, it's going to be hard to stop them from voting on trying to impeach the president. >> you can make an argument if they don't vote on it, that's to a certain extent, an exoneration. if you don't think there's articles of impeachment there. i have to say the chairman told me yesterday, they don't have the evidence yet to move to articles of impeachment, and he's one of the people that are leading the charge. john bresnahan, always great to see you, my friend, appreciate you being here. the department of justice indicted two more russian nationals today. what they're accused of doin next. first an emergency hearing in texas after woman sued the state to get an abortion. the unprecedented ruling after this break. is break [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪

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scientists announced this week that a record is about to be set that gives climate

activists cause for panic. 2023 will go down as the warmest year on record. it is a record that is fueling increased debate right now as world leaders, including top u.s. officials, negotiate face to face at the united nations climate summit in dubai. joining us now to talk more about this is presidential distinguished professor of earth and environmental sciences at the university of pennsylvania, michael mann. of course, the author of the new book "our fragile moment: how lessons from earth's past can help us survive the climate crisis." it is rare that there isn't controversy at confabs like this, but there is at this one in particular when the president of the event said there is no science behind calls to phase out fossil fuels. you have saudi arabia saying they oppose any limit on fossil fuels, that's a huge economic driver for them. how big of a concern is this for you? >> it certainly is a concern. it feeds the, you know, the skepticism and cynicism, especially among young folks that this entire process is

broken. and it is really about their future, the ones who are going to inherit the decisions we're making today. you know, it probably isn't a great idea to have the host country be a fossil fuel state, a petro state. and they appoint the president of the proceedings. the president of cop 28 is actually an oil executive who has made all sorts of dismissive comments about climate change and climate action so far. that -- that's not encouraging because it sort of sets the tone, and we have this shrinking window of opportunity right now. if we're going to limit warming, below a catastrophic 3 degree fahrenheit warming, we have to bring carbon emissions down to zero fairly quickly. we got to bring them down 50% this decade. >> and that does not sound like an easy task. to that point, 2023 saw record average air temperatures globally. i mean, this is a data point, right, they can talk about at this particular conference. what should we take from this

news that it was one of the hottest years on record? >> yeah, we will expect to continue to see that as long as we continue to put carbon pollution into the atmosphere. the surface of the planet will warm up. that's the bad news. the good news is that the science really over the last decade or so has reinforced this understanding now that the warming stops when we bring carbon emissions to zero. we used to think that the planet would continue to warm up for decades. we now understand that the warming stops fairly quickly because oceans are absorbing some of the carbon in the atmosphere, so there is this direct and, you know, immediate consequence of our efforts to act. >> so, secretary blinken was at this event a couple of days ago. the u.s. announcing they're going to put over $17 million toward new funding for climate impact. but that's a lot less than some of the other u.n. countries that are participating. should the u.s. be doing more? >> we should. part of the problem here is that we are the biggest legacy polluter on the planet. we put more carbon pollution into the atmosphere than any

other country. and so when we're unwilling to lead and when we're unwilling to provide resources to help other countries sort of leapfrog past their own sort of fossil fuel stage of, you know, of economic development, we need india, for example, to not make the same mistake that we made for 200 years. and we got to provide them incentives to do so, the same with other developing countries. so we really do have to provide more assistance. >> and what can be done right now, in terms of from the administration's perspective on climate change? they need congress' help in some regard, may not have willing partners there, is there anything president biden can do on his own to try and stem this progress toward the situation with rising temperatures? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, u.s. leadership means everything. we're the world's largest legacy polluter. we see other countries come to the table. that happened under the barack obama, during the obama years. china came to an agreement with the u.s. to dramatically lower

their own carbon emissions, and they actually exceeded their commitments. then, of course, we went in the wrong direction and we elected a president who pulled out of the paris accord and that sent a signal to other countries that we're not serious ourselves. >> and does it concern you at all with everything president biden is dealing with in terms of global calamities this may not be the focus it once was? >> well, it is, you know, we talk about a fragile moment, this is a very fragile moment in time, not just with respect to, you know, the war in the middle east, russia's assault on ukraine, but this is actually the biggest crisis that we face ultimately and if we don't act now, it will be too late to prevent catastrophic warming. >> okay, professor mann, thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you. that's it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now. >>