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i'm yasmin sicken. major legal news that we are following this afternoon after a court ruled a texas woman could get an abortion. this is to protect your health. the state supreme court has swooped in to put a stop to it for now. >> i think forcing me to continue the pregnancy, the pain and suffering, going through the risks of continuing the pregnancy, the risk of childbirth, again, especially given how by last two went, i think it's cruel. >> it is cruel. the new actions stemming from the efforts of one, manteca's attorney general, ken paxton. in a moment i will get reaction to all of this. with the lawyer representing kate cox. also ruling that donald trump can be gagged in his election interference case. not everybody connected to the case will be protected. this is concerning as it -- who trump might surround himself with if he gets back to

the white house. one ally ready to go. >> i will support the president. i will support president trump. >> would you serve in a trump cabinet? >> in the right position. look, if i am the best person for the job, yes. i worked with president trump on a lot of policies. we worked together to win the majority. but we also have a relationship where we were very honest with one another. >> and why some house republicans are crying foul over the criminal charges of hunter biden. a case that threatens to put him in jail is a pretend to -- protect the president son. under fire for the actions it took in the united nations when it comes to a potential cease-fire and cause up. we are also following extreme weather hitting the country, just the start of a tough tough weekend ahead. live report on that coming up as well. we want to begin the with a bombshell new development out of texas. the state supreme court has stepped in to temporarily block

a pregnant woman from having an abortion. kate cox just won a court order exception to the state's highly restrictive abortion law. she and her doctor successfully argued that her pregnancy is not viable and continuing the pregnancy carries serious health risks, even risks to her future fertility. texas attorney general, ken paxton, appealed the ruling to the state supreme court. leading to today's ruling. he is also threatening to prosecute any doctor or hospital that performs an abortion for kate cox. joining me now is molly dwayne, staff attorney at the somerall for -- reproductive rights. lead counsel on behalf of cox. rachel o'leary carmona, executive director of the women's march. i want to start with you on this one, molly. i want to get a sense of how kate is doing today after all of this. >> well, kate cox is an extremely confident and amazing person. to be able to put herself out

there like this, i think we all know that 99% of people in her situation would not and could not do the same. we are just remaining hopeful. i'm basically sitting here trying to watch my kids through the rest of the day and wait for more news from the state supreme court. what we heard last night's they were temporarily putting the ruling on hold while they considered more. the reality is, the more we are talking about life sensitive, time sensitive health care like abortions for kate, every minute, every hour counts. she is trying to remain hopeful but it has been a challenging few days for her and everyone on our team. >> give me a sense of next steps here. i know you are essentially waiting after this block, this was put into action, it was put into place. is there anything else you can do in the interim as you wait to fight this in the courts to get kate what she wants and

desperately needs? >> well, you know, texas supreme court is the final word on what texas law means in the state. there's not much we can do legally while we wait for them to decide. this is why the center for reproductive rights has brought a case on behalf of 22 women in texas who have been saying for years, i mean, we are talking about the most extreme abortion bans in the country. they have been in effect -- that they have in other states because of the vigilante abortion law that went into effect almost two years ago. but we are pushing these arguments forward in the court of public opinion and the court of law. and i think it is quite clear that the american public is with us, 70% of americans believe that politicians should not -- abortion included. we are hopeful that the courts will come around to that, however long it takes. for kate and for what she has to deal with today, we just

don't know if justice will be swift enough. >> i want to read for folks on the attorney general's letter to kate's doctors. essentially issuing a threat, if they move forward with the abortion services. saying in part, we will not insulate you, doctors or anyone else, from civil and criminal liability for violating texas's abortion laws. how did they plan on policing this? i wonder. and with that, what is that doing to doctors, health care facilities, in the state of texas right now with these types of threats being leveled against them? >> when well, i want to be really clear about this. that letter should be stunning. it should be shocking to anyone who reads it. we are talking about an order of the texas courts of which ken paxton is an officer. you know, he's a lawyer just

like i am, and he has pledged to uphold the constitution and laws of the state. he is saying that he is going to ignore an order from a court of his state and go after a physician, doctor, medical staff, hospital that we may just be following this order. i ask you this, what would you do if you are a doctor in the situation facing lifetime in prison? loss of medical's license and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines? it really is shocking. >> have you talked to kate? what is her mental state like as she waits here with this stay, with this block, in place and considering what the doctors have said. this pregnancy could do to her, her health and her future fertility. >> of course. i am in constant contact with my clients. we are navigating for her not only illegal but a medical situation of great urgency. so all i can tell you is that

she is a courageous person and she is trying to remain hopeful, as am i, as i stand by. for the rest of the day, the rest of the weekend, however long it takes to try to get more clarity from the state supreme court. i want to emphasize again, this cannot be that way but health care is practiced in this country. >> molly dwayne, thank, you i hope you will keep in touch with us and our show going forward as this case develops. we certainly wish your team and kate cox the best. thank you so much. let's talk a little bit more about this. i want to talk about the presidents -- precedents -- state attorney generals office, specifically in part the letter that i just read to molly there that was issued to cates hospitals and doctors as well. this state now, putting kate in a situation in which she is fearing for her future fertility and her own health. >> i mean, i think it is very

consistent with what we have seen inside of texas policy in abbott's texas where we are seeing thuggishness, political sluggishness that is playing out on the battlefield of women's bodies. when we hear from our base, we are hearing solidarity with kate cox, we are hearing solidarity with c are our, we hope c are our moves forward with their lawsuit with the other 22 women. and that women like cape, like the other 22 women whose voices have not been, heard whose stories have not been told, you know, we will find justice inside of these lawsuits. >> i want to read for you a poll from gallup. it is a poll that we have cited in one way shape or form since dobbs came into play. 85% of americans who are in favor of abortion, at least some circumstances, those results are far from an

outlier. do you think that what we are seeing in the state of texas is an outlier to what people believe should be fair and free for women throughout the country? >> well, what we know is the issue of abortion has animated american politics since roe v. wade. we know that the gutting of roe and the disastrous dobbs decision and the espy eight decision have moved public opinion for the first time in a long time, but not towards abortion bans. in fact, away from them. super majority of americans do not support this. that is why these battles are playing out inside of corrupt courts. they have been, you know, handpicked with jurists who are advocates on this issue. who have a specific point of view and who are not upholding the constitution but who in fact are upholding their own personal beliefs. i think this is out of line with the american people and

it's not even a matter of bullying, it is what we have seen in every single ballot initiative since dobbs. >> do you think, for democrats, abortion rights are the rallying cry for 2024? the number one issue? >> i think that the issue of abortion has driven record turnout at the polls from both women and young people. it is an issue that affects all americans and people should be very concerned about the attacks on abortion. as part of a broader attack on democracy. the people's voices have been heard and democratically expressed. there's a small group of extremists who are moving forward an agenda that is just not representative of what the people want. i think we will absolutely see this issue unfold again in 2024 as we did in 2023 and 2022. >> rachel or leary carmona, we appreciated. i want to turn to the former president and his legal troubles. a federal appeals court in d.c. has upheld a gag order on

donald trump and his federal election reappearance case. that order has gone into effect immediately. trump has already said he's going to appeal the decision again. i want to bring in nbc news, justice reporter, ryan reilly. also the author of citizen hunters, how january 6th up -- helen talk us through where this gag order stands right now. are any of these courts prepared to deliver consequences if, in fact, trump breaks these gag orders? >> that is the really big question about this. what are the consequences going to be? it is tough to imagine the judge wanting to be the person who locks donald trump up pretrial. i think the best way they can move forward with this is by sticking with that trial date which is now set for just less than three months from now in march. so regardless of what donald trump says, the consequence can be essentially that those trial dates move forward and that they get this to trial before hand. that was sort of mentioned by the appeals court here saying that this trial is going to

happen before the elections. this other kind of alternative remedy that donald trump was suggesting, essentially saying that oh, if we just move it after the election of these issues would really be a major problem. they toss that out. i think that set the stage for what is to come. you know, this case is moving forward. we have seen this litigation. unless there is another appeal, which of course, donald trump will continue to do with whatever measure he can or whatever avenue he can because really this is all just about clock management for them. if you look at what donald trump says, the team, they say that they don't believe donald trump can get a fair trial in d.c.. you, know if you read into that a bit, they believe donald trump is going to be convicted in d.c.. so really, all of their tactics are about getting this to be delayed and taking it back to trial, then if they get a delay in a few months they will so, while it's too close to the election. now it is just clock management i think at this point in the

proceedings. >> there is also the ruling that the former president is appealing, he doesn't have immunity for a prosecution in the federal case. what is he arguing here? >> i mean, all of these appeals are -- taking any avenue they can. he was acting as president and his actions are protected by presidential immunity. obviously what the doj would say back is that this was not within the bounds of what he was doing as president. he was doing all of these actions as a presidential candidate, not in the representation of the united states. especially what they are going to try to argue on the trump side is that all of this was about voter fraud and he was just trying to uphold the rule of law and he was acting as president of the united states. these actions were through the campaign. this was all about -- there were not really actions that, you know, we're in the interest of the united states. they were all in donald trump's personal interest, in keeping himself in office. obviously that is one that you

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kentucky, mississippi as well. then you have the pacific northwest. heavy rainfall in the coastal areas, flash flooding again. joining me now from jackson, mississippi, nbc's priscilla thompson. , priscilla good to talk to you. what are you seeing so far and how are folks preparing for the storm? >> yeah, yasmin, right now things in jackson, mississippi, are fairly calm. that could change in the next several hours as this city is among the 13 million people across the south from kentucky to texas that are under the severe weather watches for a potential of damaging winds up to 70 miles per hour. heavy rain and also the golf ball sized hail. even tornadoes with, as you mentioned, tornado watches already in effect for arkansas, mississippi, tennessee and kentucky and certain parts of those states. so this weather is coming as we are seeing this video from the west, where they are digging

out from massive snow that they got with parts of utah getting as much as 33 inches. you showed that video, the dash cam video, where that man veered into the lane of a state trooper and the two almost collided. thankfully they did not. those are some of the conditions that they were dealing with in places like utah, colorado, there was an 18 car pileup. thankfully no reported deaths there. certainly some very serious conditions and as we look ahead to tomorrow, all of the severe weather is now going to be headed your way with places like new york, d.c., and philly, a danger, potential flooding. they're 48 million people from d.c., to, maine who will be under flood watches tomorrow. yasmin? >> we will be looking out for. that keep us updated on what is happening there, priscilla. thank. you still ahead, new reaction today from human rights groups over the u.s. vetoing the united nations resolution calling for an immediate cease-fire in gaza. plus, what awaits hunter biden

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back a short time ago the u.s. pushed through an emergency arms sale of 14,000 tank shells to israel with an estimated price tag of 106 point $5 million. the move by the biden administration bypasses the standard congressional approval process. also, secretary of state, tony blinken, meeting with arab foreign ministers about the fighting in gaza. reaffirming support for israel's right to prevent another octor 7th style attack as well as the urgency of addressing humanitarian needs gaza and protecting palestinian civilians from harm. all of this comi a day after the u.s. vetoed a resolution by the u.n. security council to urge an immediate cease-fire due to the impending quote unquote humanitarian catastrophe in gaza. i want to bring in nbc, holly wong, standing by for us in tel aviv for more on this. let's talk through this, hala. and the surprise to the u.s.

vetoing this call by the u.n. for a cease-fire vote. things are continuing to deteriorate on the ground in gaza. >> it was not much of a surprise. i think that arab countries around the region, including the sponsor of the u.n. resolution, the united arab emirates, expected this american feet out. the deputy u.s. ambassador to the u.n. justified america's position of the u.n. security council by saying that the resolution itself did not explicitly condemn hamas and it's october 7th attack. there has widespread khan's earns about the region and among human rights groups as well. amnesty international, for instance, the secretary general of that group said that the u.s. vetoed displays a callous disregard for civilian suffering in the face of a staggering death toll. when you look at the humanitarian situation in gaza it really is difficult to

overstate how disastrous it is becoming based on everything we are hearing from u.n. aid groups, but world food programme for instance has said that nine out of ten people in gaza are not eating every day. half of the strip is facing starvation. this is obviously due to the fact that not just -- not just the fact that there's an ongoing war in bombardment, but that no aid trucks are getting in. they can't reach in any way the tremendous need of the people inside of the gaza strip. 85% of whom have been displaced since october 7th, yasmin. >> hala grown-up for us. hala, we appreciate. it coming up next, the charges against the president, son hunter biden is facing it and white republican lawmakers are complaining about it. teenager sentenced for a deadly shooting at his high school and his parents are facing trial next. we will tell you what they are charged with after the break. charged with after the break. t touch it, don'h it yet.

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back new reaction this weekend after hunter biden was indicted on nine tax related charges, including three felony accounts. he is accused of failing to pay one point $4 million in taxes. hunter biden's lawyer said he has not paid the taxes in full. it's he accused dave weiss of political bias. the charges have not satisfy the gop presidential candidates. vivek ramaswamy saying that,

quote, the deep state is using it as cover for the charges against trump. nikki haley claiming the doj, quote unquote, slow walked the case. let's bring in former u.s. attorney, harry litman, along with nbc, is gary -- carey, i want to start with you on this one. digdeep or if you can on what these new charges are and are we hearing anything from the white house on this? >> in this 56-page indictment, special counsel goes into great detail. what hunter biden was spending his money on instead of paying his taxes. remember, for some context, here this was a time and hunter biden's life when he was in the throes of addiction, a very low time in his life. and what he was spending his money on makes that clear. i want to show you here, this was money spent on various women, hundreds of thousands of dollars for, quote, various women. hundreds of thousands of dollars as it relates to adult entertainment. one point $6 million in atm withdrawals, cash withdrawals. he was using cashed and

spending it on things. a lot of it going to his alcohol and drug use. as f the presidents the white house ofly h not been saying hing. they're saying no comment, nothing on record. theresint said in the past he's very proud of his son. he believes his son has done nothing wrong. you remember, on charges similar to these this summer, there was actually a plea agreement where he was going to have a reduced sentence, a reduced situation because of these charges. that plea agreement fell apart at the very last minute. the big question now, is is another one going to come up? abbe lowell, hunter biden's attorney, had something to say about this yesterday on msnbc. >> it's clear that he is not interested in any resolution because last time he did the right thing, all he got was grief and pressure from the republicans. he has made the decision, obviously, that he does not want to have that again. what's going to happen in the case, i think it's a case that

cries out for transparency of what changed and caused these accounts to be filed. >> now, as for hunter biden's legal troubles back on the east coast, his attorney, abbe lowell, says he plans to dismiss the firearm charges in delaware on monday. yasmin? >> reporter: gary, thank you. we appreciated. perry, let's get into some of this stuff. i was on the air when this plea deal fell apart. a lot of us were scratching our heads, wondering why. we've got former federal prosecutor, sean woo, calling this a, quote unquote, embarrassment to t doj. citing the fact that hunter biden paid back those taxes. he then said, this what you would never do as a prosecutor is to punish a defendant out of embarrassment or an attempt to insulate yourself for political criticism. weiss faces plenty of both. what do you make of that assessment? >> it is a grave assessment but i agree with. it, look it did fall apart, and you are there. but the important point here is

that it fell apart for essentially fluky reasons, having nothing to do with hunter biden. it is not as if he turned it down. so the screaming question, and abby raised, it what has changed such that the identical conduct that the doj wanted to resolve with a couple misdemeanor counts has now turned into the throw the book at him, 56-page scathing accounts, including all of this stuff about what he did with his lifestyle. in the department of justice, you treat defendan alike. that is why you have a supervisory structure to say, wait a second. he didt y it but he's in the throes of drug addiction. he later pays it back with inre and penalties. do we throw the hammer at him here? a supervisor would say no. the core problem is, david weiss is essentially the attorney general here because of the vagaries of the special counsel regulation.

there's nobody there to rein him in and force the principle of treating like cases alike. one more quick point, abbe lowell says it cries out for an investigation. but you know what? this point of how it happened and what transpired, that is not really something he's going to be able to do in a normal trial. so it is not as if he can litigate that before a jury in los angeles. >> then you have folks saying this is actually good for the bidens. some members in the field of the 2024 run up to the white house, james, cuomo chair of the house oversight committee claiming that the special counsel is biased towards hunter biden. and indicted him in order to shield him from being deposed by the committee. what do you make of that theory, harry, that criminal charges carry the potential of years in prison for hunter biden as a favor to him from the doj? >> ridiculous, exactly as it

sounds. on this separate issue they want to behind closed doors say let's do. it but in the open, i think they are going to have trouble getting contempt forward. but of course this is throwing the hammer at him. this is now the fight of his life. to the extent that you pause, where this makes it look even graver, it's really about his father. it is just a moral. at a minimum i think it is a fragrant abuse of discretion that these charges have now been brought against him. it would not have been the same contact -- con docked with another defendant. >> harry, we appreciated as always. >> the president met privately with students and community members, this is at the university of las vegas after the masters that killed three people and seriously injured a fourth. biden praised the work of law enforcement and called on capitol hill to, quote unquote, step up and passed gun reform legislation including banning assault weapons in high capacity magazines, as well as passing national red flag laws.

quote, we can never let it become normal. meanwhile, teenagers who committed the deadliest high school shooting in michigan history has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. ethan crumbley killed four students in a mass shooting at his high school when he was just 15 years old. the sentence for the teenager was handed down at the end of an emotional hearing, families of the victim, sharing the enduring trauma it caused. his parents were denied access to friday's hearing, they are now awaiting criminal chiles of their, own facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter. and bases, maggie vesta, picks up the story from there. >> reporter: the judge in this case actually handed the 17 year old multiple life sentences without the possibility of parole, including four, one for each of the four victims of this shooting. this follows hours of victim impact statements read by dozens yesterday in court and the last-minute surprise, the admitted shooter spoke on his own behalf.

>> the terror that he caused in the state of michigan and at oxford is a true act of terrorism. >> he and michigan, a 17 year old mass shooter handed the states harshest possible punishment, several times over. >> counts two through five, you will serve the rest of your life without the possibility of parole. >> in, all the judge issued five licenses without parole. one for each of the four students murdered in 2021's oxford high school massacre. this, moments after ethan crump, who claims he struggled with mental health leading up to the shooting, asked the judge for an eventual chance at freedom. >> i'm a bad person. i have done terrible things that no one should ever do. i'm not denying. it but that's not who i plan on being. >> the court instead he gave the calls of dozens of families and victims. nicole beausoleil remembers denying her daughter medicine -- until the medical examiner showed her the body.

>> i looked through the grass glass, my screams should have shattered it. my daughter's lifeless body was laying on a cold metal journey. >> reyna saint julianna lost her little sister, hannah, the two hopes to play lacrosse together. >> instead of speaking at her wedding i spoke at her funeral. instead of fishtailing her hair for her again i curled her hair in a casket. >> kylie was one of seven wounded. a bullet grazed her spine. >> it has been 738 days of constant physical and mental pain. >> some argued life in prison is not enough. >> i ask you to lock him up for the rest of his pathetic life. >> families, surprised by a murderers last-minute plea, they are moving forward. >> it was feeling and it was insincere. we feel that justice is getting there. >> such an emotional day for those families. another striking hallmark of this case, the shooter's parents also face charges.

james and jennifer crumbley have each pleaded not guilty to four counts of involuntary manslaughter after prosecutors say they've authors on a gun and ignored clear warning signs about his mental health, their separate trials are set to begin next month. back to you. thanks to maggie vesta for that. coming up next, donald trump says he is going to be a dictator on day one if he gets back to the white house. the people he is planning to surround him may help him do just that. a special look at what happens if trump. winds coming up next. coming up next, she may be a self proclaimed anti-hero, trump loyalists are painting taylor swift as a full-on villain. mega conspiracy theories about her so-called plans to alter the 2024 election. we will be right back. be right back. be right back. passionate about home decor. and my favorite homes are wayfair homes.

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in the atlantic magazine series, if trump wins. it is a project considering what trump might do if in fact he's reelecd in 2024. make hopkins, writing about the kind of people the trump would -- trump would prioritize obedience over credentials. a point of this cheney echoed in this week's interview with rachel maddow. >> that is one of the real dangers people have to focus on when we think about a potential second trump administration. you will take those people who were the most radical, the most dangerous, who had the proposals that were the most dangerous and you will put them in positions of, you know, supreme power. and that is a risk that we simply can't take. >> mckay coppins is joining me now. mckay, thank you for joining us. i want to read some of your piece for folks to understand what it is that we're talking

about. specifically the point about the people that he would surround himself with if he made it back into the white house. you say, predicting presidential appointments nearly a year before the election is a fools errand, especially with a candidate as mercurial as trump. the name is circulating and maga world, they offer a glimpse of the kind of people trump could gravitate towards. if you, could make, eight take a stab for us at those names in the positions they would hold. >> sure. so talking to people in trump's orbit, one name that came up often was stephen miller who was his policy advisor and speech writer during the first term. was also known within the white house as probably the most prominent immigration hawk in the trump administration. from what i've heard he would be put in a position of having as much influence as possible over immigration in the second term, whether that would be head of ice or department of

homeland security. or i did hear from some people that if those did not work out because the senate wouldn't confirm him, they might install him as white house chief of staff. another job i know would be important to trump based on the people i've talked to's attorney general. trump obviously felt that the two men who served as attorney general in his first term, william barr and jeff sessions, you know they betrayed him basically for different reasons because they would not go along with his election lies or his line on russian collusion. so this time around he would make sure he installed a loyalist. some names i heard for attorney general were ted cruz, josh hawley, mike lee or pam bondi, the former florida attorney general. these are people who trump believes would be fully obedient. they would not questioned his orders, would be fully in line with his agenda to use the

justice department to visit revenge on his political enemies as he has promised to do on the campaign trail over the last couple months. >> you also write how many former trump white house officials are living in this post white house life. they feel the congressional subpoenas, getting indicted, we can see them back in the white house if in fact he wins a second term. >> that is. right jeffrey clark is an example of. that somebody who is facing criminal charges for his role in the alleged attempts to overturn the election. georgia -- he -- a lot of people floated him as a possible name for attorney general. i think this gets at a more important point which is that part of the reason we can expect a different kind of cabinet in a second term is because in the first term trump did bring in some people who were kind of republican

establishment figures. william barr, people like james mattis. these are well credential republicans who, within washington, a lot of kind of mainstream people thought they would be medicating forces on trump. what happened after the first term is those people did not fare well in the trump administration. some of them got fired unceremoniously. some were publicly pushed out. some left in outrage or disgrace. and several of, them as you just alluded to, have spent their post white house lives in not very pleasant circumstances. they're dealing with legal issues, lawsuits, criminal charges, subpoenas. so what that means is that very few of those people or the people in their orbits would be interested in serving in a second term even if trump was interested in asking them to. >> it is also astounding to, me considering the charges of the foreign -- former cabinet, people that

helped him when it came to 2020 and his election lies would be willing, again, to serve him if he were reelected in 2024. i want to ask you aboutome reporting we're getting outof axios as well. millennia trump would like to see, and this is reported from axios, tucker carlson as vice president. she thinks he would make a, quote unquote, powerful onstage extension of her husband. as you mentioned, stephen miller could be the next attorney general reported by axios. steve bannon who was not in washington the first time around, not a washington insider this time around as, well could be the next white house chief of staff. what do you think about these names beside from stephen miller who you already talked about? >> right, again, it is important to take all of this with a grain of salt because nobody knows what it's going to happen here from now if trump wins in terms of personnel decisions. what we know is the types of people he is going to gravitate

towards. tucker carlson and steve been internally fit in that category. both are men who have spent the last several years professing their loyalty to trump. their agreement with his worldview. and doing so in a very public way. steve bannon has a popular podcast and video streaming service that he is on a daily basis broadcasting his devotion to trumpism, tucker carlson is doing the same thing. and again, i think the important thing to understand is that trump's psychology here, donald trump feels -- and he talks about this on the campaign trail, that he was burned in the first term by the deep state. the people who he picked who were not fully on board. so this time, what i heard repeatedly from people in trump's orbit, he will prioritize obedience over credentials. and so, tucker carlson, you know, he's never served political office. he has no political background

to speak of. he has been in media and journalism most of his life. if he qualified to be the vice president? that is almost beside the point. for donald trump, what matters is he would do what he tells him to do. i think that is going to be the ethos that prevails in a second trump administration. >> but the bigger question is also, was the former president qualified to be president? he served four years. i remind folks as well, stephen miller, as you, mentioned would be eight pick for attorney general. he was the architect part-time the family separation policy, for those who have a short memory, the images of the children and families held in cages at the border, that was stephen miller behind much of those policies. appreciate you, mckay coppins, still ahead everybody, the nation's top leaders in higher education are facing pressure to apologize and in some cases resigned over the congressional testimony on antisemitism. a roar report on how the students and major donors are

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the fall continues this weekend for presidents at some of our country's most prestigious universities as they come under increased pressure for the public comments at a congressional hearing on antisemitism this week. harvard's top administrator issuing a former apology to its on campus publication, sparked by her testimony about standing up to jewish hate on campus. let me see nbc's -- philadelphia covering all of this. george, but donors are now threatening, essentially, to withdrawal significant funding at the university of pennsylvania, unless president luis magill is replaced. what are you hearing today? >> that is sort of the bigger fallout we've been seeing. these megadonor threatening to pull that funding. ross stevens, who has a center named after him at the wharton business school, threatening to pull 100 million dollar donation unless liz magill

steps down. we do know the board of trustees is scheduled to meet tomorrow, sometimes around 5:00, you have a discussion whether or not liz magill will have a job. if all of this comes as we now know, congressman elise toughened issued a letter with 70 of her house members, a partisan love to all three heads of universities, calling for their immediate dismissal. so, what's been the response from mcgill? she posted a video on social media earlier this week, saying basically that short answer should have been a bit more clear as it related to those responses to genocide from that five hour grilling on capitol hill. listen. >> the call for genocide of jewish people is a call for some of the most terrible violence human beings can perpetrate. it is evil. plain and simple. >> as you mentioned, yasmin, dr. claudine gay, the president of harvard university, issuing a formal apology in the crimson, their paper, saying she was simply taken aback by t