ravel clanking) coming up on the second hour of ayman, so long, farewell kevin mccarthy. announcing he is resigning from congress, what that means for race shrinking gop house

majority. plus, who is on the list? we are take you through some of the top names in trump's orbit that could testify against him in georgia's election interference case. and, another development in the fast moving abortion case coming out of texas. the state supreme court has now temporarily blocked an emergency abortion -- . i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i am not resigning, i've got a lot more work to do. >> you are not resigning? >> no, i'm not resigning. >> so you'll stay and. >> i'm staying. so don't worry, i've got a lot more work. >> do you think you'll run for reelection? >> yes. >> yes you will? >> yeah, we're gonna keep the majority, i'm going to help the people that are here, we're gonna expand it further. >> all right, so some not-so--- from the first ever speaker to be ousted from his job. kevin mccarthy, who this week

went from that that you just heard, to announcing that he will actually be resigning from the house of representatives at the end of the year. what a stunning turnaround. and yet, entirely predictable, given the radicalization of house republicans over the last several years. mccarthy follows two other leaders, erik kanter and paul ryan, the trio believe it or not, this is a real book, or once called the young guns of the gop. and now, as you can see, they are all out of congress. and yet, there is something about mccarthy throwing up the white flag that feels uniquely pathetic, i should say. this former allege standard bearer of the house republicans is not only high tailing it back to bakersfield california, he is doing so in such a way that will functionally kneecap his conservative colleagues. as proved by the washington post, in resigning, mccarthy delivering an elbow to the gop's already anemic house majority. the body currently consists of 221 republicans, 213 democrats, one vacancy after george santos, remember that guy, was expelled. near governor kathy hochul special a special election to replace santos in a fairly competitive district.

who is to say democrats don't snag that seat? and don't forget that a party needs 280 members in alignment to secure a majority. so with mccarthy's decision to take his ball and basically go back home, house republicans will have only a two seat majority to conduct the chamber's business. as hayes brown writes for msc daily, in choosing to leave early, mccarthy is making life much more difficult for his successor, speaker mike johnson. and, yielding even more influence to the very same agents of chaos that drove him from power. you've got the marjorie taylor greene's, you've got the lauren boebert, you've got the matt gaetz. well, their party just got that much more influential because of them. and, thanks to kevin mccarthy. and honestly, there is a little bit more. yesterday, we learned that kevin mccarthy has not only endorsed donald trump for president, he is actually eager to serve in his cabinet. yes, believe it or not, it is a big development, given the fact that we know from audio recordings that mccarthy blamed trump for january 6th, and wanted him to resign.

but, let's be honest, are we really surprised? by now, we understand it is not moral convictions, or partisan ideology that really guides kevin mccarthy, or for that matter, the broader republican party. just pure political opportunism. not only on behalf of the republican party and, and but of course for kevin mccarthy alone. joining me now, susan del percio, a republican strategist and msnbc political analysts. kristina -- moynihan public -- and danny, an msnbc legal analyst, and a criminal defense attorney. great to have all three of you with us. so christina, i'll start with you. what do you make of kevin mccarthy's legacy here? what is he going to be most remembered for, if anything. will he truly be remembered ten years from now, and if so, what do you think it will be for? >> oh amen, you laid it out beautifully. but he won't be remembered. oh, this is the young. that's no one is speaking about eric kanter, no one remembers paul ryan. we might remember kevin

mccarthy because he was the first to get ousted, and he might go down in history as the person who banded the republican party to the massive maga conservatives, who were trying to destroy this country. i mean, by leaving his position, kevin mccarthy was no true friend of democrats, but he is essentially handing the silo the asylum over to the inmates. he is making sure that the lauren boebert's and the marjorie taylor greene's at the back gates is, as you said, have even more power and influence. mitt romney is leaving. i mean, we see time and time again, there is no abyss for the republican party. we know that they are going to try to keep as much power as possible, especially if a republican wins the white house, and we see they -- oftentimes follows during presidential election years. that could give republicans even more emboldened power. and obviously, leader johnson has not just an agenda, but he believes he is chosen by god, as do many of the followers in the republican parties right now, they believe donald trump is the second coming. and so, we are dealing with ideologues who don't really have a moral compass, but they are guided by something that is

pretty strong, and quite honestly, pretty dangerous for the future of the american democratic republic. >> yeah and susan, christine's point is so important, that we are dealing with ideologues. it is not just simply about politicians elbowing each other. when you look at the so-called young guns trio, that was eric kanter, paul ryan, kevin mccarthy, each one of them removed or lost power as a result of a more extreme force coming in, and trying to edge them out and make their life absolutely miserable. either forcing them to resign, as in the case of kevin mccarthy, or just making it so difficult for somebody like paul ryan to continue to lead the caucus that he was like, you know what, i'm done with this, i can't, this party is bonkers. >> yeah, and that's because it's those extremists that don't want to govern. they have no interest in governing. that is the problem right now,

that any leader in the republican party would face, is that they are trying to lead those who don't want to be led. they just want to be loud, and get there clicks, and be on tv. and, marjorie taylor greene doesn't care about any policy whatsoever, the only thing she cares about is getting her time on tv. yep, there she is. [laughter] but you know, as far as being remembered, i would just like to say, i think kevin mccarthy could be a really good trivia question. [laughter] so we may see that happen from time to time. >> what would the question be? because there is a few. let's be honest here, what would the trivia question be, what do you think? >> well it would be, who is the only house speaker to be knocked out by his own party? >> because i was going to say, you can also ask about donald trump and be like, who is the speaker of the house that rehabilitated donald trump after he said he was responsible for january 6th. so, there's a lot of shameful questions that could be asked

about kevin mccarthy? >> yes, indeed. >> danny, what do you make of mccarthy's musings about joining trump's cabinet. i mean clearly, he does not see all of the indictments, the legal woes weighing down on trump as a major problem. asking somebody to be like hey, you know what, i see all of the legal perils. but you know what, i want to be part of your team down the road. you are a lawyer, what do you make of that? >> it no surprise at all, i think there are plenty of people that are still lining up to be part of a trump cabinet. i mean, some have even argue that's one of the republican candidates, vivek ramaswamy, has sort of been a trump alternative that is looking to get into the trump administration. i don't know if that's true, but a lot of people obviously don't care at all that trump is facing 91 counts in four criminal cases against him. and really, it doesn't seem to

affect him in the polls, so kevin mccarthy apparently is just one of millions of people that don't care at all, that donald trump is facing this many criminal counts. i mean, it would have been historically momentous had one case been brought against a former president. there are four pending, to say nothing of all the civil cases that are also pending against the former president. so i mean, i think for a lot of folks they are just head in the sand, wolf will blindness, and desperate for pretending that trump isn't being charged, and is likely to be convicted in. and 90 plus percent of federal cases and in a conviction. so if you're betting that donald trump will almost certainly be convicted at least in federal court. maybe he's got a shot in the state court, but just playing the odds, you can assume that this is someone who is likely going to be convicted. >> credible. >> and while the supremacy clause could keep him out of prison while he's in the presidency, the minute that's over, the jail cell doors would open back up. >> so i guess my question is, would trump even allow him on to his cabinet? because trump has said he only wants true maga loyalists. when you see some of the names that are being balanced around, these are like the worst of the worst, in terms of how undemocratic they are. and he wants somebody who is going to be loyal to trump. do you think kevin mccarthy meets that threshold to earn a spot in a potential trump cabinet?

>> no, but that's not the reason why he floated it out there. let's not forget, the reason why kevin mccarthy endorsed donald trump, and even floated the idea of well, to the question of would you serve in the cabinet, is because he has to go out and make money now. so, he wants to be the trump loyalists, the polls are, you may not like, it but trump is in this fight. so of course, he wants to go out looking like a power player who might be in a trump administration, especially when the trump campaign right now is fighting off and saying don't talk about the -- but that's all this is. this is money play for kevin mccarthy. >> yeah at some point, you remind us of that it always comes down to money in politics, sadly, and personal greed. christina, the house republicans passed effectively nothing this year, literally nothing. next, year they're going to have an even smaller majority as we laid out early in this segment. just two seats.

should we expect any real work come out of that that chamber, or more theatrical about impeachments in the nonsense surrounded on the oversight committee? >> yet no. i mean, as susan laid out, these are not people who are interested in governing. they are absolutely not interested in moving forward policy, which is what we are letting them to do. they are obstructionists. they want to make sure that they are on television and saying how terrible joe biden. as you know, they said they were going to impeach him day one if they have the power to. over what? it doesn't matter, we are just going to do it. and sadly, there are so many american people that need legislation passed to help them with, whether it's health care or infrastructure, or jobs, you name it, the environment. the list goes on and on. republicans are wholly disinterested and actually doing the business of congress. they just want to say, we can prevent democrats from getting their way.

and that's, sadly, that's enough for a significant portion of the american population, that will essentially cut off their own noses despite their faces, just because they want to see the republican elected when. when what, exactly? you know, i would argue that some of it is just winning the game of white supremacy, or winning the game of sticking it to democrats. but what do you really get, when it comes to this legislation? they are not interested in that, and neither is donald trump. we saw that when he had a unified government, he didn't pass any legislation. they tried to do everything from edict or executive order, and we saw that thank goodness, the courts held, and didn't pass the muslim ban, which was his first order of business, if we remember, which he promised he would do. and so, we have to believe that if donald trump gets a second chance in this office, republicans will line up lock stock full smoking barrel, and

do whatever he wants to do. not necessarily legislatively, but they will sit there passively while he tries to pass executive orders that will harm the american people. >> danny, do you see the gop with a razor-thin majority in congress affecting the impeachment proceedings that are trying to launch? i mean, i think from what you've seen in terms of anything presented after this indictment, it doesn't seem there's a whole lot there implicating the president, which is what they really want to go after, as we heard from james comer. >> sure, i don't think the indictment changes anything. if anything, i think it super charges republicans who are not going to point to hunter biden, and essentially say, and they will make the argument for them. they're going to say, look at this indictment, look at all

the counts we have. look at all these charges. how did the president not no, or how is he not know this. the father doesn't know the business of his own son. that's going to be the, argument the rhetoric that you're gonna hear from republicans. and as we have seen in the last, year it takes very very little to take an impeachment investigation. that requires virtually nothing at all. and the actual impeachment requires a little more. and then of course a conviction, as we all know, requires a supermajority, and it is something that is just almost impossible to achieve. so really, what we have seen the last decade is that impeachments really just a -- on a presidency. statistically, the odds that a president can actually be convicted or removed are very low. and so, when you are talking about a razor-thin majority one way they are the other, i could tell you right now that won't get you to a conviction. the super majority needed for a conviction by the senate. but, it could get you to

impeachment, or it could get you to an impeachment, essentially the equivalent of an indictment, but never a conviction. and that's really what impeachment is about, in the modern era. people aren't going to be removed, because everyone is so divided, it's going to be so hard to get that super majority to convict. so really, it becomes more about, how can we leave a scar on one person's legacy on the presidency. >> yeah, i think that's really the most important part in all this. we sought in benghazi with hillary clinton, we saw it again with what we are seeing right, now going after hunter biden, just to try to stain the presidents going into 2024. all right panel, please stick around, we were talking to a lot more right after the break. we are going to jump into trump's legal woes, and who among his top aides are possibly fulton county prosecutor witnesses. we will tell you about that. i, my friend richard louis is here with the headlines. hey. richard. >> hayman, good to see. were you talking to -- nbc news projecting a runoff victory for democrat john whitmire over democratic congresswoman sheila jackson lee, in the houston mayoral race there. whitmer is a state senator, who will now lead the fourth largest city in the u.s., -- as you probably know, has represented houston in congress since 1995. and, university of pennsylvania president liz mcgill resigned from her post. she faced fierce criticism from the -- over comments at a congressional hearing on campus antisemitism. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro told reporters wednesday that miraculous responsible was -- that. raw -- a panel on this and ceo of financial forms -- sent a letter to the university threatening to pull a 100 and

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adult education centers near you. prosecutors have a list of almost two -- and during the georgia election interference trial. and many names are big shots, very well known names. vice president mike pence for his, or the ex attorney general, bill barr. now top republicans in georgia, including governor brian kemp and secretary of state brad raffensperger. this large roster signals the -- the d. a., fani willis, and her fellow prosecuting to addressing what was already a sprawling case. the case is 15 defendants, which is -- 19 after four them already took plea deals. they have been accused of engaging in a racketeering conspiracy to overturn the results of georgia's 2020 election. all of whom, including donald trump, and have a originally pleaded not guilty. ddants in the

case have the optional possibility of a plea deal, the guardian has reported that trump, mark meadows, and rudy giuliani will be ineligible for a deal, signaling that the prosecutors consider there g targets. my panel is back with me. dana, i'll start with you on this round. and let's start with this trial date. trump's lawyer steve sato said last week that the constitution supremacy clause would delay this trial until 2029, if trump were to be elected again in 2024. we are in a unique situation, because this has not been tested yet. one of the many constitutional challenges that we could potentially be facing as a result of several trials. but, does sat out even have a valid argument here, given the nature of these charges? >> yeah, save the date, i've

said it before, the fulton county case is one of the cases that will not start until 2025. i know that sounds crazy, it feels crazy saying it, but there are a couple of factors. fulton county state court case, they run a lot slower. in that same county, a r. i. c. o. case was eight months of jury selection. so my prediction, is eight months of jury selection, ayman. that's not -- rebuttal witnesses, that's selecting a jury for eight months. so, in fulton county, that case is not going to start, the first witnesses are not going to testify until 2025. this may come back to haunt me, so maybe don't save the date. but i believe that's what will happen. however, for all of the other

cases, there is an imperative in federal court under the -- act, for example, to get cases to trial in 90 days. now even if that gets extended, federal courts move very quickly compared to state courts. but these are all issues. presidential immunity, some of the others, the impeachment clause defense. these are all issues that need to be litigated. and while a district court judge can deny those motions, and deny what's called interlocutory appeal, maybe the trump team gets to appeal and delay a case, maybe they don't. these are all weighty, constitutional issues of first impression. things are going to happen, unpredictable things, delays will happen in these cases. all four of these criminal cases, particularly in the state court. so i mean yes, does immunity need to be decided, yes. does president trump have immunity, i think if i were a betting person, i think i would say ultimately, probably not. and judge chutkan's opinion is a law review article on why not. i encourage everyone to read it, it is -- 50 something pages. but, it explains the history of immunity, and why president trump, i think outside of his presidential role, would not have presidential immunity. now, what happens at each level. the appellate court, and then the supreme court. they look at those legal issues, they know them. so as well as judge chutkan -- , it could mean nothing. it might all be for not, at the next level. >> all right, very interesting their legal breakdown. susan, let me turn to the witness list. you've got mike pence, not necessarily being pointed out as a major player in this case.

we know he already appeared before a grand jury to testify in the federal election interference case involving trump. how damning do you envision his testimony to be in this investigation? >> pretty damning. all he has to do is speak the truth, which he is going to do, because he is not going to go to jail for donald trump. and that's the problem that trump's team is facing, is that the people who are called to testify or going to speak the truth. and, not an attorney, so dina's better than i. do basically to get around, that is just going to be a lot of fancy footwork. because when mike pence says donald trump wanted me to do this, he knew he lost the election, that's it, that's the testimony. but what i think is also interesting about the list of names is, you should especially go dig deeper. you know donald trump is digging through those, and questioning everybody. what's she gonna, say what's he gonna say, what she does say. and that just in and of itself is very time consuming for

donald trump, and his legal team. so he is probably making them all bonkers. >> christina, your thoughts on all of this, and the spectacle that this will be televising. a judge ruling that georgia trump trial will be broadcast. if pence is called, this would be the first time we would hear from him publicly answer for trump's role in all of this. and that would just be worst worth the price of admission. >> yeah and you know amen, i am so torn as to whether i want these court cases televised. on the one in, i do think that the american people should see, this they should hear the evidence, they should see how everything is laid out. and should see mike pence -- on the stand saying one thing, even though when he was running for the presidency, he vacillated constantly. on the other hand, we know that donald trump tried to win in the court of public opinion, and he's also always been in our living rooms. he's been on our homes and on our televisions for some 35 years, so he knows how to play

to the cameras. i know it's a little different when you are the defendant, but i do think that looking at some of the cases in new york with the gag orders, that he is not actually even responding to properly, it does worry me that it would only excite his base even more. because of the inflammatory remarks that he consistently makes. i do think that to susan's point, everyone in his orbit is either in prison, going to prison, trying to stay out of going to prison, or looking at some prison time, or possibly being called in to testify against someone who is looking at prison time. so i mean, everyone in his orbit who he touches seems to go down. it's, donald trump is the only one thus far who has -- when you've got court cases in four different jurisdictions, i don't know if his luck is going

to run out in time. we've never seen this with a president, with the norms. we've also never doubt with a man who has a total disregard for the constitution and american democracy. >> and danny, the witness list so far includes nearly 200 names. is that typical for a r. i. c. o. case of this kind? do you see this as unique to the many facets of a trump case? >> not at all. when you think about it this way. you are the fulton county d. a., this is of -- arguably one of the four most cases in american history. you know that if you kick somebody off of a witness list, then you may not be able to call them later on if you absolutely need them. on the other hand, there's absolutely no downside to

including everybody on the witness list. you can include -- you can include anybody that you could imagine you could possibly call. steve bannon. steve bannon, much has been made of the fact that steve bannon appears on the witness list. will they call steve bannon? i doubt it, unless they absolutely need information from him, because he will obviously be a hostile witness. but, do you really want to be the prosecutor that gets to trial -- because some random witness that you've never imagined you would -- you were the one who left it off the list. i am not going to be that prosecutor, you are going to put every human being you can imagine, and even some you couldn't imagine, on that witness list. and that's why it's 200 people. will they call 100 of? them maybe, maybe closer to 50. but the incentive has always been, put everyone you can imagine on that witness list. here is the other added benefit to do if that, that's called case stacking. you shove that entire list on the defense team, or on the prosecution, this works both ways. and then you have to go on interview all of those people who are not, a lot of times didn't even bother to interview them, because they are, witness won't talk to them. but you throw everybody on that list, and it's finding a needle in the haystack. because hey, i might call them, so you better go out there and interview them, or investigate them, or talk to them, or whatever you need to do to build your case. so, not surprised at the size

of this witness list, not surprised that you see names like steve bannon on their. they're going to put everybody, and they could ever imagine being involved. because if they don't put it on their, it's use it or lose it. >> right danny -- we are going to save the tape just for your own personal benefit their. but, thank you so much, it's great to see. susan, christina, please stick around, we're gonna talk you little bit later on in this hour. first up, some new polling spelling trouble for biden in 2024. we're going to break that down, next.

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of registered voters disapprove of biden's handling of the war. support also appears to be wavering among arab and muslim voters, whose votes could be crucial in 2024, particularly in swing states. a november survey of michigan democrats by -- research parties found that in 2024 trump biden's matchup, 74% of muslim and arab americans in the state would likely consider voting for a third party candidate instead. the polling group, which did extensive work for biden's 2020 campaign, was commission to carry out that survey from a progressive advocacy group. joining me now -- is an editorial board member at the washington post, he is the author of the problem of democracy, america, the middle east, and the rise and fall of an idea. -- it's great to see you. i have to say, i was drawn to this piece that you wrote, but also to what you posted on social media. and i kind of wanted to start with this poll among michigan democrats. its findings about arab and muslim american voters and their sentiments. do you think that the biden campaign's team realizes how

much these votes matter, and how much they are in trouble with them? >> i think that the biden team realizes it. i don't know if they care enough to do something about it. i think they should, i think they should be alarmed. if we look at some of these battleground states like michigan, but also arizona, which biden won by around 10,000 votes in 2020, there's about 60,000 arab americans in arizona. so if you have very slim margins in the upcoming election against trump, you know, a few thousand votes here and they are can actually make a significant difference. and it's not just arab and muslim americans that are the issue here. arab americans also, they talk to other people, they have friends, colleagues and so forth. and they also are reflective of where the progressive waste rate -- is a little bit more in israel and palestine.

and in that nbc poll, about 70% of young voters disapprove of biden's handling of the gaza war. that's a pretty large percentage. and, some of this will depend on turnout in 2024. and already, young voters aren't thrilled about biden. i mean, he is pretty old, and a whole number of other things. and if you add one more factor on top of that, and that could prevent people from actually going to the polls. they could say well, we are afraid of trump, we don't feel strongly enough for biden to actually go out and cast their ballot for biden. >> and that's the point i want to ask about, the so-called alternative. and he wrote about this in your opinion piece for the washington post, looking at the way arab americans and muslims want to vote for biden 2024. and you write, quote, i suspect that patronizing arguments asking airboat merrick and to

suck it up and vote for biden regardless of his actual policy are unlikely to be effective. their votes must be fought for. what are you saying or hearing based on the conversation you've had with folks with the argument that the other guy is so much worse, and that it could and our democracy, so just suck it up and vote for joe biden to preserve what we have now? >> yeah, so whenever i share my conversations with arab americans, and how there is this concern around biden, people are just very dismissive on social media, and in conversations. it will be like -- , trump is so much worse, what are you guys thinking? why are arab americans being irrational. why can't they just suck it up. and, i think this misunderstands how people think about voting. you have to be able to make an affirmative case for your candidate, you can't always rely on the threat that if trump wins, it's going to be so much worse. because trump right now is still a hypothetical. it's biden who people are focused on right now. he is the one who is actually overseeing in and handling america because relations with

israel and the war on gaza, and so. on and one thing i mention in that washington post column is, let's imagine another issue. let's say biden woke up tomorrow and said he doesn't think americans should have the right to an abortion. i could imagine that there will be many liberals across the country who would say, that's a bridge too far, sorry, we get that trump is worse on abortion, but we are not going to be able to vote for biden if he doesn't share our sentiments on this core issue. each of us as voters has a threshold of conscience, where we're just not going to feel comfortable voting for someone who we think has diverged so much from where we are. >> look, we are a year out from the election, anything can happen. but as you mentioned, we were having the same conversation within our communities. i know it's anecdotal, but what have you heard from people you've spoken to about what it might take to get arab

americans and muslim americans in key swing states, perhaps like georgia, which he won by 12,000. you mentioned arizona and michigan. what, if anything, can the biden administration do to try and mobilize or energize these voters back into their coalition? >> yet we'll ayman, you're exactly right, there is still a long ways to go. i think a lot of this will depend on how long israel's military operations in gaza continue, and ground offensive. it could take a long time. there is no sign that this ending anytime soon. so, the longer this goes on, the bigger a problem the biden administration has. if the biden folks actually put more pressure on biden going forward, and we have seen some sightings of this, with secretary of state tony blinken really urging israel, and being quite public about it, saying israel has to think about protecting civilians, and has to prioritize that. so i think the more we see rhetoric like that, and it can't just be rhetoric, it has to be factored by policy. because if israel doesn't

actually see consequences, then it has no reason to be more precise in its military operations, it has no real incentive to think seriously about the day after in gaza. and so i think on those fundamental issues going forward, the biden administration has a real chance to improve, and to be more even-handed, that doesn't mean they have to be anti israel. very few people are calling for that, it's just about being more balanced, and more concerned with palestinian lives. and i think for arab americans, there is this sense in their communities that biden just doesn't feel it when it comes to the palestinian toll, it's just numbers, it's collateral damage. and i think if biden is able to muster more feeling and more sympathy, and actually reflect that in a clearer way, that can begin to make a difference. >> yeah i was going to say, i look at the cease-fire vote yesterday, the veto, and i don't think that helps the biden case among potential arab american muslim voters. that's policy versus the

rhetoric you are talking about. let me ask you from the flip side, if you've come across through your reporting or conversations, a will on the arab american muslim community to be better organized politically, to be involved in lobbying efforts to try and launch initiatives that make there be a political consequence for politicians who take these positions that are anti palestinian, anti arab, and anti-muslim? >> yes so, i think it's a big difference now compared to post 9/11. i think we've had a younger generation that is more vocal, that is more present in media, and the public conversation. and i think that makes it harder to ignore arab americans. and i think there's also a confidence when it comes to organizing in battleground states. you have native born arab americans who actually know how american politics works, and they're willing to bring their influence to bear. so i think you are seeing that

kind of mobilization. and it is making a difference. there is also this effort in battleground states to hashtag, abandoned biden, and to kind of bring different organizations together. i mean, we'll see how effective that is, but it is clearly making waves. the fact that we are talking about it now means that it is filtering up. and i think, i'm hearing this non stop from arab and muslim american friends, this keeps on coming up. and so i think something really has changed, and this could be a hinge moment for the arab american community. >> yeah, i think it will be very interesting to see how they organize, how they politically mobilize, and whether or not they are going to make a difference. -- it's always a pleasure, thank you so much, appreciate it, all of your writing. stay with us. after the break, the worst of the week. [inaudible]

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the, week the delisting celebrity edition. first, there is returning champ george santos. despite being expelled from congress, and facing 23 felony charges, he has already found a new calling in life, recording personalized messages on the video website cameo. take a look. >> hey token straight friends. >> i was a whole congressman up until last friday. you can just stop by my office. let's talk about botox for a second. you can tell, it works. i'm 45, don't look at. me from rise to congressman from volland of, as they all say. ♪ ♪ ♪ that's me. i love that your siblings call you the chaos child, because that's how i'm known in my house. so, we have that in common. period, keep slaying clean. >> according to several for, santos has already made more money in four days of cameo appearances that he would have in one year as a member of

congress. i wonder what that adds up to in -- banks. and then there's congresswoman nancy base, huge who took -- to take this photo in front of the presidents christmas decorations at his holiday party, all while pretending the photo was actually taken at the capitol. a recent piece from the daily beast featured a memo from maces staff that stress a need to get her book on national tv between one or four times a day. a former staff's said -- are we in a pr firm working for a member of congress. let's bring back susan -- and christina -- . utterly shameful, between these two, can't really hit bottom fast enough. christina, who are you going with? >> oh gosh, it's such a toss-up. i think i'll go with george santos, just because i'm a new yorker. i mean ayman, we laugh, largely to keep from crying. as a sitting member of congress, it's one of the most respected hallowed halls in our nation's body.

i don't understand how we have someone who got elected, and he just treated it as a joke, he is still treating it as a joke. no legislation was passed, people in his district weren't represented, and we know that it was a self serving endeavor. and so on the one hand, george santos will go down in the history books as someone who's deeply troubled, and a liar, a cheat, and a thief in many ways. but nobody wins, having had him served in the halls of congress. so i'm going to say george santos. >> yeah, it's an indictment not only of our politics, but our culture, that somebody like george santos can be rewarded by making that kind of money now on cameo, for basically lying and cheating his way through a political system. susan, who do you have, santos or mace?

>> i guess santos, partially because like christine, i'm a new yorker, so you kind of had that going for you. but no seriously, the thing about george santos is of course he's on cameo doing it for $200. the guy has no shame. but, at least know that money is probably going to legal fees, not to buy more botox or -- , because he's racking up a lot of bills, and this may be his last months of freedom, as those indictments to trial. >> let me read for your, susan, a part of something that vox wrote this week. santos's career arc is that of a reality tv star. those people, santos cameo cohort, go on tv with the aim of being famous enough to -- or generate income via cameo. do you think when we look back at george santos from the very beginning of his political run, something you said earlier, was it always about the money with him, the way that kevin mccarthy is all about the money right now? >> yeah, i think it was a great gig. that's how, and it's not a republican or a democrat thing, i think there are a lot of people running for office right now because it is a gig to them, it's about their next steppingstone from being a serving public office. that's not to say that the majority of people who go into

elective office aren't doing it for the right reasons, but there's also a good amount that say oh, if i can get this done, i can then leverage that into something else. ambition is not a problem, it's just when you do it all the time, and you basically cheat the public as a result, or you lie to get ahead, and that's what we've seen with george santos. >> i'm going to have to complete out of the trio and say george santos as well. nancy mace, pretty pathetic, but george santos takes it to a whole new level for all the reasons you both articulated. susan -- christina, thank you so much i greatly appreciated all your times and insights this evening. up next, the surprise decision that put a hold on one woman's emergency abortion in texas, stay with us.

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genesee--. the court says they will now consider the merits of the case, but did not indicate when they really come down. cox filed a lawsuit against a case after she learned that her fetus had a fatal abnormality. because texas abortion bans are among the strictest in the country, cox needed a judge to approve this lifesaving procedure. the case marked one of the first times a woman sought emergency court ordered to receive an abortion. cox spoke with nbc news on thursday about the difficulty of the legal process. >> it's painful. you know, didn't want to be here. you know, i think it's important to have medical care in my home state. and i wanted to tell my story, because i do think it's important. before we went through this, i never imagined that we would be in this position. >> cox's lawyers say that her client is at high risk for several pregnancy

complications, some of which sent cox to the emergency room four times in the past week. and that fetus has no chance of survival. they added that continuing the pregnancy could jeopardize cates health, and future fertility. but the state says cox did not officially demonstrate that she would suffer immediate and irreparable injuries without the procedure. -- argued in court documents that cox does not meet the medical emergency exemption to state laws. earlier on this network, kate cox's lawyer mark -- criticize the cruelty of the state response. >> kate shouldn't have to explore options like getting out of state. she should be able to get an abortion at home, with her doctor, in her home community. and it is a human rights violation for people to force someone like kate you have to now explore, what are the other possibilities that i have. >> a human rights violation. we will see how that story plays out in the coming days and weeks. thank you for making time for us this evening make sure to come back tomorrow night for

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