>> i am alicia menendez, and i will see you back here tomorrow at 6:00 pm eastern, for more "american voices". for now, i hand the over to my colleague, ayman mohyeldin. hey, ayman. the five alarm fire is going up, with the return of donald trump and the day one dictator that

we are seeing. but i don't know if it is actually resonating with the average americans at this moment. i was listening to your conversation as well, but it's fastening to see how much they are saying the loud part, the quiet part out loud, and not actually being taken seriously. >> i agree with you, i think the benefit is that sound exists for when people start tuning in in september, october. >> that's a good point. i'm here to talk about that a little bit later in the show with -- thank, you alicia menendez. welcome to "ayman". donald trump, in his own words, vowing to be the authoritarian president that we have all been warned about. plus, the unity appeal. the latest legal gambit that could be a crucial date in trump's election interference case. and they may have the votes. but do they have the goods? house republicans want to formally launch their baseless impeachment inquiry after turning up nothing but dads. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started.

>> this week, donald trump was given the opportunity to tell americans he would not abuse power if he were to win a second term. watch. >> to be clear, do you, in any way, have any plans whatsoever, if we elected president, to abuse power? to break the law? to use the government to go after people? >> you mean like they are using right now? >> let's sit with that just for a minute. the presumptive republican nominee, for the 2024 presidential election, declining to rule out clearly that he would've use power to seek retribution if he returns to the white house. and here's the thing. the host, sean hannity, he really tried to give trump a chance to clarify. but guess what trump did? he doubled down. >> under no circumstances, you are promising america tonight, you would never of use power as

retribution under anybody. >> except for day one. he says, you are not going to be a dictator, are you? i say, no, no, no. other than they won. we are closing the border. and we are drilling, drilling, drilling. >> now, the fact that this question is even being asked by a fox -- i don't really want to say news anchor -- but a fox anchor, no less, is astonishing. and his cavalier response should actually serve as a dire warning to everyone who is watching that, not to be dismissed. the twice impeached four times indicted disgraced ex president had long been open about his admiration for fascist dictators of the past, popping the strongmen of the president, and he has been using their tactics, certainly the rhetoric. in recent weeks, trump has echoed the rhetoric of hitler, following his political opponents vermin, declaring that undocumented immigrants were, quote, poisoning the blood of our country. he has also called for a shoplifters to be shot on sight, floated the idea of executing joint chiefs chairman mark

milley, thcountry's top general. and a new analysis from the w york times highlights why there is real reason to fear this increasingly violent rhetoric. quote, what would be different in a second trum administration is not so much his character as his surroundings, forces that tendencies in his first term,ic staff members who saw their job as sometimes restraining him, a few congressional republicans episodically wilngo criticize or oppose him, a partisan balance on the supreme court th occasionally ruled against him would l weaker. and the times notes, trump wod ncentrate greater authority of the executive branch in the white house, ending the independents a of agencies congress set up to operate outside of presidential control, and reducing civil serve otections to make it easier to fire and replace tens of thousands of government workers. and we know trump and his allies have begun mapping out specific plans forsing the justice departnt to punish

critics and opponents should he win a second term. his associates are already drafting plans to potentially invoke the insurrection act on his first day in office to allow him to deploy the military against civil demonstrations. and so when trump says that he will be a dictator for his first day in office, i, we must believe him. in an essay for the washington post, editor at rge robert kagan warns us to, quote, stop the wishful thinking and face the stark reality. there is a clear path to dictatorship in the united states, and it is getting shorter every day. i have an all-star panel here to kick things off tonight. barbara f. walter he's a professor at uc san diego, and an author of how civil wars start and how to stop. them kimberly atkins stohr is an msnbc political analyst and a columnist at the boston globe, and co-host of the #sistersinlaw podcast. charles coleman he's an msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. it's great to see all of. you barbara f. walter, i will start with you, as an expert in authoritarianism.

what goes through your mind when you see the former president, someone who could return to the white house in 2024, with realistic chances, admit that he wants to be a dictator, at least from day one of that second term? and at this point, he is not even trying to rule out as -- to go after his enemies and his opponents. how do you interpret all of this? >> this is classic want to be dictator behavior. we see this again and again and again. people who want power, especially people who thrive on it and love the attention -- they often advertise what their intentions are. they don't sneak around. but trump's entire playbook has been to identify weakness, attack weakness. and he has been quite successful in doing that. and the american democratic system has lots of vulnerabilities. and he has identified them. and he is going after them. so, it does not surprise me.

you mentioned hitler earlier. i don't think trump is in the same league as hitler. but he is using a similar playbook. hitler told germany and europe exactly what he intended to do. nobody believed him. he wrote in a very long book. people read that book. they still did not believe it. and then he went ahead and executed his plan. and trump is doing exactly the same thing. >> let me just follow up on that really quick, e barbara, about our democracy. about the past two years coming out of the -- term. do you think we really missed an opportunity to really shore up our democracy? to not just rely on the guardrails that really worked the first time around, but to really go back to the drawing board and say, hey, we have some serious loopholes in our system that can be exploited by a trump or trump 2. 0, and we have to work extremely fast in the two years that we had complete control of government to actually shore up our democracy -- have we missed that opportunity? >> you know, i wish i could say we had the opportunity.

there actually was no opportunity. we thought, with the democrats in the white house, and the democrats having a majority in the house and the senate, that we -- that the democrats could potentially get some reforms pushed through. but we found out very quickly that they did not have the votes. even controlling all three branches of government, and with the desire to reform and strengthen the system, the biden administration in its first two years could not do that. we also know that the republican party has no interest in eliminating those weaknesses of democracy. because they disproportionately benefit from them. they benefit from an electoral college that gives a bigger voice to rural americans. they benefit from the senate and the fact that it gives a disproportionate voice to rural america. they benefit from the filibuster and gerrymandering. so, all of these things will allow them to maintain control of power even if their constituents declined.

and their constituents are essentially white americans, white rural americans. and they are the ones who benefit from the current system. >> you teed me a perfectly for the question that i wanted to ask you, kimberly, which is that when you watch that interaction between trump and hannity, people in the audience practically cheering when trump refused to rule out abusing power to go after his enemies. how does this kind of thing resonate with the public? his supporters are obviously not seeing the threat and the dangers that he poses to our country, and perhaps, against them one day. >> they don't. because they see him as on their side. even a dictator, apparently, is fine, so long as he is their dictator and speaking in a way that they believe is right. but what we are also seeing, from trump very frankly saying that on day one he would be a

dictator, is what he has done consistently. because, to date, he has not been held responsible for his actions. we call the debate in 2020 when asked if he would accept the results of the election. he said, we will see. i will keep you in suspense. he has always telegraphed exactly what he wants to do, from keeping people out of the country based on their religion or ethnicity, from using force on protesters in the street. he has always embraced this autocratic style. and he has never been held accountable for it to date. we will see what happens in the criminal cases arising from january 6th. but, to him, he already has no guardrails. the fact that he was unable to carry out just overturning the result of an election before was based on the fact that democracy held together by a thread, because he was not completely surrounded by those who support him.

the next time, he will be. >> yeah, i was going to say, we owe our thanks to dan quayle, who convinced mike pence not to do the wrong thing on january 6th. that's how close we got to the end of our democracy. charles coleman, i've got to play for you this liz cheney soundbite. she spoke to our colleague rachel maddow this week, and a new book -- the very thing that we are talking about on this program. but take a listen to this. >> imagine this situation where the people around him, the lawyers that he has hired and the administration, you may have some who would -- you imagine them stepping up and saying, we can't take that action, we can't do that for legal reasons. and the president, combining those, his determination to ignore the rulings of the courts, with the -- who do his bidding. and it's a really toxic and very dangerous mix. >> charles, your reaction to what liz cheney is warning of their?

>> well, we ayman mohyeldin, one of the things that troubles me about this entire conversation, that details from that conversation you just had with kimberly, that is much as we can see what may be coming, we are not developing strategies that -- our government is written in a way that has checks and balances. so, where is everyone's concerned about trump, we are not having a conversation about trumpism. this is not a snake we are, if you cut off its head, it is simply going to die. another woman sprout. so, we have to figure out, what is it we are doing to address the sentiment that is giving donald trump so much fuel and so much power? and we have just checks and balances. we have to turn our attention to electing legislators at the federal level that are going to appeal to the rule of law. every seat in congress, all 435 of them is -- our up for reelection this coming election cycle. so, what that means is, in addition to addressing an issue regarding donald trump and whatever it is that he may bring, there need to be safeguards and guardrails that are elected at the federal level who are not afraid to do

the right thing, even if it means impeaching and removing a person from office, if they are abusing their power. >> all right, we are going to squeeze in a quick break. barbara walter, thank you so much for joining us. kimberly atkins stohr, and charles coleman, stick around. after the break we are going to continue our conversation. coming, up how a trump appeal can actually throw off a crucial timeline in the federal sentence here's case.

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-- over comments she made during a congressional hearing on antisemitism. >> does calling for the genocide of jews violate the rules are codes of conduct? yes or no. >> if the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment. , yes. >> i am asking specifically calling for the genocide of jews. does that constitute bullying or harassment? >> if it is directed in severe pervasive, it is. >> the answer is yes? >> it is a context dependent decision, congresswoman. >> pennsylvania governorapirsaid that michael's response was -- with the ceo of the financial firms storage holding sent a letter to the university of thursday threatening to pull up 100 million dollar donation unless

mcgill was removed as president. as of now, no word has been given on the future status of her counterparts at harvard university and m. i. t. who were also criticized for their responses to similar questions around campus, antisemitism at the hearing. turning now to an update in the federal election interference case, donald trump filed a notice on thursday saying that he will appeal judge chutkan's ruling that he doesn't have immunity. this is a small procedural step. is that emotion a domino effect that will ultimately decide whether or not this case makes it to trial by the set date of march 4th of 2020, forever. a federal appeals court and possibly supreme court will now have to weigh in on this issue, which will likely lead to weeks law, if not months long, delays. in a separate filing, the ex president is also asking for a clause on all further proceeding in the case until they appeal is resolved. trump's legal team says that this case should be thrown out unconstitutional grounds as

presidential immunity, which judge chutkan denied last friday. special counsel jack smith's team has argued that trump's immunity claims would improperly place u.s. presidents above the law. kimberly atkins storage, how schools men are back with us. charles, i will get your thoughts back on this. on a practical level, walk me through the appeals process here. what difference narrows might play out, might look like, when it comes to a trial date? how much of a delay can we expect? >> there are a number of things that can occur between now and the time that this appeal was decided that can alternately affect the march 4th trial date. it is important to understand that beyond those scenarios, this is not the last attempt that we are going to see from donald trump's defense team to try to get this case thrown out. this is, essentially, summing from the fences but the immunity argument because, as you noted, there is a world in which if this decision was granted by the appeals court, the case essentially dies and goes away.

i think that that is an unlikely scenario to occur. as i said before, i expect that his defense team has additional tricks up their sleep, which is natural. that is something to be expected. you are supposed to exhaust every potential remedy for your client and be a zealous advocate on a good faith basis for doing so. the question of good faith basis is one that people like myself and kimberly might debate point ad nauseam. what we are looking at right now, we know that this is something that could potentially delay, but not excessively. i'm not expecting this to ultimately be a three or five month delay. it could be a couple of weeks. even without it, you are still going to see something else which is likely going to push that raw faith, march 4th date, a little bit further into the future. >> kimberly, last friday you had a federal appeals court ruled against trump's immunity claims in civil cases seeking to hold him accountable for january 6th. could this play a role in how the judges will approach the criminal case? it's so, how

concerned are you that their decision on the civil matter to 20-minute -- months to reach? >> yeah, so, it was a long time in waiting for that decision that finally came down. the immunity issue is going to be a crucial one. i do agree with charles that it will not necessarily derail the criminal case, but it could be one of the factors that leads it to be delayed because as the immunity issue, which applies to across the board in these cases, is appealed, there are a lot of unanswered questions. of course, a trial can't proceed because this is something that needs to be determined before the trial can move forward. does not mean that it stops everything? does it stop, you know, examination of potential jurors? does it stop discovery in the case or trump moving forward? can that move forward while we wait for these decisions so that once they come down, the travel is ready to go if they rule in the

prosecution's favor? i also think that the way that these opinions, both the appeals court opinion as well as judge chutkan's opinion, they were written very carefully in a way that, i think, could signal as these cases go up the appeals court, that it is imminently reasonable for both the appellate court and the supreme court to rule that there is no get out of free jail card -- get out of jail free card, for anyone has a president to commit crimes. even sometimes a speech can be a component of a crime. the first amendment doesn't get you out of it. having been impeached in the past, that is a political process. that does not trigger double jeopardy. these are reasonable constitutional interpretations. i think that carefulness with which these decisions were reported is good news. i think for the prosecution. there might be a delay, but i don't think they can delay this forever. >> charles, this notice also comes on the heel of prosecutors releasing a court filing, which lays out how they planned to use trump's own words against

dimitrov. there's no shortage of his truck words on that. how telling is it that trump tries again and again to get the case dismissed on the heels of prosecutors evidence filings? >> listen, prosecutors can say that they want to use whatever they want to. that doesn't necessarily mean that it is going to come into evidence. i think it's important to understand that prosecutors like jack smith may have a strategy, but what will be considered an admission, what would be considered admissible evidence, it will be up to the trial judge in that matter. i fully expect -- i said this at the outset of trump being indicted, each time that he was indicted, we are getting an up close view at -- that is america, to hell the legal system works. in the myriad ways that someone who has access to capital can access the justice system from various vantage point. they are going to exhaust every means that they can to try to get this case dismissed. we have not seen the last of it. i want to stress that to viewers who think that this is immediately going to go to trial. these

sorts of maneuvers are going to continue with every turn. what may come from a decision that can't really just reference, is going to likely prove as fodder for someone to use it in another case, for example, if they are going to talk about presidents or building president to establish their theory of defense. i do understand why jack smith has this approach. this road map and how they can [inaudible] to prosecute the case. i respected. i do think that if it works out for him, it will, obviously, help his case. but, it is not guarantee. ultimately, we don't know what the judge in any of these cases is going to deem admissible or inadmissible in terms of evidence. >> kimberly, our fight, a u.s. court of appeals upheld a narrow version of this gag order that was placed on trump in the case. it leaves jack council out of the equation, who trump has already attacked repeatedly on social media. why would a court, you think, make such a decision? >> i think that the court was trying to help out the supreme court, again, once this issue reaches them because there is a strong first amendment protection,

especially for political candidate. at the same time, it is not limitless. if they can keep this order as narrow as possible, the better the likelihood that it will continue to be upheld all of the way to the supreme court. one point that the court made in this is that, look, when you are a prosecutor, when you are a judge and you take on high profile cases, you should expect to have a thick skin. sometimes your defendant is going to say horrible things about you. there is a difference between that and intimidating a witness, which is interfering with the process of the justice system moving forward. that is something that is punishable. insulting a prosecutor is not. let's keep this lane narrow. the more narrow the lane, the more likely it will be upheld. that's important because it means that the court will have a tool to actually hold donald trump responsible and give him

consequences for when he crosses that line. >> all right, kimberly atkins store, charles, greatly appreciate all of your insights as evening. next, chantal brown on her republican colleagues evidence free impeachment mission.

house republicans are ready to take their evidence free impressionist into the next level. they have scheduled a vote next week to formalize their inquiry against president biden, alleging he and his son, hunter biden, engaged and shady business dealings. speaker mike johnson believes they have t vote. the real question is, do they have the goods? now, let's first address the elephant in the room. hunter biden was indicted thursday on nine tax related charges, including allegations a failing to file and pay taxes, evading an assessment and filing a fraudulent form. there isn't a

single mention of his father anywhere in this indictment. so, at least for now, no luck for house republicans there. then, there is house oversight committee chair james comer, who, this week, claimed to have the smoking gun. he said that he obtained bank records showing hunter biden's firm making monthly payments to his father in 2018, reflecting a, quote, pattern revealing joe biden knew about, participated in and benefited from, his family's influence peddling schemes. turns out the payments were for a 2018 ford raptor truck joe biden had purchased that hunter was using. this follows comer's other supposed bombshells back in october, payments that revealed biden in his personal capacity, two years after serving as vice president, loaned his brother some money, alone his brother paid back. every time comer lay -- says he'sncered real evidence against biden, somehow the story just promptly on wraps. steve bannon from embassy notes, comer -- who cried wolf, the parallels are

imprecise. the boy in the story who'd destroyed his credibility eventually saw an actual wolf. congresswoman chantal brown of a house is on the oversight committee, she joins me now. congresswoman, good to have you on the show. thank you for making time for us. so, as we said, there is no evidence tying president biden to these serious charges hunter is facing. your colleagues on the oversight committee, they are still insisting that there is something there to impeach him for. your reaction to this impeachment push and the vote we will see next week. >> here we go again. another week where this committee is showing that they are on a serious, and stand shaded, unnecessary, this investigation is another illegitimate pitchman inquiry. nothing more than a stunt, ayman. it shows republicans have their priorities in the wrong place. they have no real policies to put forward air and now we are talking about years.

we're talking about years of house republicans and house senate doing investigations that have produced no evidence showing any wrongdoing by president biden. but this is what they do. this tracks for the republicans. this is particularly on brand. they lie. they do it unapologetically, consistently, and with zero sham. they are consistently mischaracterizing. the facts, distorting timelines, because there is nothing there. in fact, one of my colleagues was caught red-handed during the last hunter biden impeachment inquiry, falsifying evidence because, again, there is nothing there. so, as i said on the oversight hearings, listening to hours and hours of testimony, their own witnesses have admitted that there is nothing there. so, this is just

another stunned by republicans. instead of focusing on how we can lower health care, improving quality of peoples lives, republicans are continuing to play politics for the audience of one, the twice impeached, four times indicted, and as you pointed, out the one day dictator, maga extremist, donald j trump. >> i'm grotesque about the donald trump in a moment. the enablers who continue to make it possible for them to exist in our political life. james comer is threatening to hold hunter biden in contempt of congress, if he doesn't testify behind closed doors as. week hunter, to his credit, has previously said he'd be willing to testify publicly. comer, as we've seen, shut that down. why do you think comer trying to push this behind closed doors? >> well, i think it's important to point out that first, did ministration has bent over backwards to comply with their endless requests. house republicans have been given 35,000, 35,000 pages of

financial records and 36 hours of testimony from top officials, including the fbi and doj and more. so, subpoenaed hunter biden and in forcing him to do it behind closed doors is further proof that they have no evidence. they want to be able to create their own narrative. they want to be able to misrepresent the truth. you would think, you would think that if they had the evidence that they proclaim, they would be chomping at the bit to have hunter biden on live tv giving his testimony. but they now they have nothing. so, this is why, i think, they are attempting to force him to do it behind closed doors because, again, they have zero evidence of the president doing anything -- anything wrong. >> let me ask you really quick. at the end of the day, is this impeachment mission about politics or accountability? are they just trying to help trump give him some politics, ammunition for the 2024 race? >> it is definitely about politics. they have no ammunition. as you pointed at the top of the story, comer has talked about the smoking gun. i

don't even think it is amounting to a water pistol, is one of my colleagues pointed out during an oversight committee hearing. comer has proven that he will do anything to try to satisfy donald trump. but evidence has shown that there is nothing that the president has done wrong in this is, again, an illegitimate inquiry. my constituents in cleveland, they look at this and they shake their heads, ayman. this is not what they sent me to congress to do. people have bills to pay, work to do, businesses to run. they say republicans in washington are living in a fantasy land and just pushing their -- peddling their fictional conspiracy theories. >> let me ask you really quick about enablers for a moment. it is something we talk about a lot, aipac, it has affiliates and its affiliates, a endorsing 109 january six insurrectionists. i know you've received some funds from aipac. how do you reconcile this? will you accept bugs from them this cycle, given that you talk so openly

against those who try to overturn our democracy, but receive money from an organization that supports those very same politicians. >> well, their organization has members that support some of the same policies that i do. so, i don't have the privilege of identifying who supports what. we give our contributions. we are grateful for the support that we receive. i will continue to represent all of my constituents in the 11th congressional district, to make sure that bringing the democratic policies, principles, values to the halls of congress every single day. >> all right, congresswoman chantal brown, wear out of time. we appreciate you insight. thank you very much. next, putting the toll of israel's offensive because it into perspective.

t united nations top diplomat is soundinglarm on wednesday, secrety general guterres invokes article 99 at the u. n. charter, warning the security council of an impending, quote, humanitarian catastrophe in gaza. an article that has been triggered only four times in the united nations history. on friday, the united states veto the u. n. resolution calling for an immediate cease-fire in the israel-hamas war, despite this dire warning an international pressure. guterres's warning comes as no surprise when you take a look at the utter despot station in gaza. we wanted to take a look at some of the numbers to put it in context toght. since the start of the

war, satellite data shows that more than 60% of the buildings in northern gaza have been severely damaged by israel's counteroffensive. in some districts, that number is as high as 70% with whole neighborhoods reduced to dust. this level of damage may be hard to comprehend, consider this, according to a new report from the financial times, the catastrophic destruction that we have witnessed in northern gaza has already surpassed level seen during the second world war. from 1943 to 1945, the allied forces relentless bombing of german cities only destroyed an estimated 50% of urban areas. meaning just within a matter of weeks, israel's air campaign, its ground assault against gaza, has already become one of the heaviest in history. the health care system has been pushed beyond the breaking point. since october, the number of functioning hospitals in gaza has been slashed in half, dropping from 36 to 18, according to the world health

organization. of these 18, only three are providing basic first aid. the remaining 15 are delivering partial medical services. right now, 12 hospitals operating in southern gaza are serving as the backbone of this trip's entire hospital system. hospital is able to admit patients are being stretched to the limit, delivering services well over their intended capacity with some treating 2 to 3 times as many patients as they were designed for. that is because palestinians from northern gaza are forced to leave their homes and flee south after israel ordered them to evacuate. the u. n. palestinian refugee agency says 1. 9 million people in gaza have been displaced since october 7th. unfortunately, displacement is part and parcel of war. i just want to put this in perspective for you, just to show you how staggering that number is. since russia's invasion of ukraine in 2022, the u. n. estimates 5. 1 million ukrainians have been internally displaced and more than 6. 2 million have fled the country. that is nearly 30% of ukraine's

polation. it's an astonishing gure. by comparison, nearly 2 million palestinians displaced over the last two months, they make up more than 85% of the entire population of gaza. almost triple the amount in ukraine. with that short lived cease-fire now over,he dea toll in gaza only continues to climb by that day. since october 7th, more than 70,000 people have been killed according to the ministry of health and gaza. that includes more than 7000 children and 5000 women. in terms of percentage of populations, that is the equivalent of the entire city of chicago gone. wiped off the face of this earth. that analysis by e-11a, sociology professor at the open university of israel has found that civilians make up 61% of deaths from airstrikes in gaza. israeli aggression has also been seen in the west bank, which hamas doesn't govern. the west bank, at least 260

palestinians have been killed. the majority of those by israeli forces and others including settlers. this, according to the united nations office for the coronation of humanitarian affairs. more than 3000 palestinians have been arrested according to the u. n. human rights office in the occupied tele---palestinian territory. as for journalists, principles to be protected under international humanitarian law during a war, well, they haven't been spared either. the committee to protect journalist reports at least 63 journalists and media workers have been killed including 56 palestinians, four israelis and three lebanese. that is staggering civilian death toll has also prompted concerns about israel's military approach in the region. according to the idf spokesperson, caucus, israel is not able to verify the exact number of hamas fighters they have killed so far. although, he does put the number into, quote, thousands. earlier this week, israel says it has killed half of hamas is mid level commanders. according to the israeli army, at least 420 of

their soldiers have been killed since october 7th. at least 11,000 rockets have been launched from the gaza strip toward israel since the start of the israeli war on october 7th. this, according to the cuts news network. meanwhile, 82 attacks had against bases with u.s. troops across the middle east since october 7th. as fighting continues to rage on into its ninth week, still no end in sight. these numbers will undoubtedly grow. in the meantime, it is important that we understand and contextualize the sheer scale of the death, the destruction, the despair that has consumed the region in the last two months were residents in gaza have said there is nowhere left to go. after the break, i'm going to speak to a member of doctors without borders who live in gaza. now working at one of the remaining barely functioning hospitals. stay with us.

the few hospitals that are still operating guys are being pushed to deliver care fought far past their intended limits as the humanitarian situation continues to deteriorate. earlier i spoke -- with an emergency coordinator, who joined me from al-aqsa hospital inside central gaza. >> marie orr, thank you so much

for making time for us today. i know it is a very difficult situation. you are at the al-aqsa hospital right now, one of the few hospitals still operating inside of gaza. can you describe for us the conditions, and what you and your team are seeing right now? >> well first, it's very difficult to say that the hospital is still operating, because of operating property hospital should be able to provide emergency care for patients. but, it should also be able to provide maternal care, it should also be able to provide care for patients with chronic disease. and, it's just not the case anymore. the hospital is now only providing, trying to cope with the constant influx of patients that are coming to the e. r.. every day, since the end of the truce, the hospital has received nearly 1500 people through the e. r.. and almost 500 of them, actually arrived already dead

to the e. r.. so, the hospital is in a very chaotic situation, a difficult situation. >> the u. n. secretary general said that the humanitarian support system in gaza is collapsing, and with that obviously, the medical facilities there are as well beginning to collapse. what is the situation like for the doctors inside of gaza? how are they able to do whatever jobs they are actually doing at the moment? >> the situation is impossible. the situation of doctors in gaza are doctors who have to come to work in the morning, just hoping to find their families in their homes. it is the situation of doctors who have to announce, to find wards, how do you find words to announce to a five-year-old they are the only survivor of their family, who died in the bombing of their house.

it is a situation of doctors who have to find ways to relieve pain from patients who come with infected wounds, where -- are inside the wounds which are infected. it's, doctors who are completely, health care workers who are completely exhausted from the past few months here in gaza. it is just an impossible situation for them. >> is it safe to say that the conditions under which the doctors are operating is basic, or even primitive? i mean, do they have necessary equipment? is equipment sarah sterilize, do they have the ability to treat patients adequately? what is it that they ultimately are lacking, at this very moment? >> it's almost everything. it is very difficult to see through the next day. yesterday, we were critically getting -- . very basic medical supplies. it's extremely difficult. >> can you just tell us.

i know that msf works around the world. you've worked around the world. how does this compare to other conflicts in which msf has operated? have you ever seen conditions like this in which msf and other doctors, gazan doctors are working under this constant bombardment and war, with a lack of resources, we see besiege, no electricity, no food, no water, no medical supplies? >> in comparison to other places, other countries were msf is working, this is not a humanitarian response. for as long as bombs keep on falling on to gaza, for as long as people will not be able to find food, for as long as children will have to learn that they are the only survivors of their family when they arrive at the hospital. for as long as there will be no water, for as long as there will be no supply entering gaza, for as long, as again, doctors will have to come to the hospital in the morning, not knowing whether they will find their families in their home

back in the evening. this will not be a humanitarian response. the only thing we know is a cease-fire, then we will be able to provide some humanitarian relief to the situation. >> speaking of cease-fire, i'm sure you are where yesterday, the united states vetoed the security council resolution that was calling for an immediate cease fire. how does that, in terms of the impact in the short-term, in the immediate short, or affect what it is that you are undergoing, both as an organization as well as individual doctors operating in gaza, that the cease-fire was effectively blocked by the united states? >> again, the conditions that we are in today do not allow us to work. the yes, we are supporting the ministry of health, and we are trying to support hospitals the best we can. -- without -- we cannot provide the support that the people need here. we will be forced to suspend

our operation in a primary health sister, that we were working with in khan younis about a week ago, because the health center was in a neighborhood that received an evacuation order. without a cease-fire, we will not be able to continue working here. >> speaking of that, have you had any communications with the israeli military now in gaza? have they asked you to evacuate? for, are you staying at alexa hospital, despite the fact they wanted certain hospitals across the gaza strip evacuated? >> so for now, the hospital in al-aqsa has not received that order. but it is almost cynical that you have to think whether the hospital you are working in will receive an evacuation order. this is just a blatant violation of international humanitarian law. >> >> it do you fear that you might be targeted? do you fear that you might be targeted while you are at the hospital? >> i think we have plenty of

examples where hospitals have been targeted, targeted since the beginning of the conflict, and we know for a fact there is no safe space in gaza, and that includes hospitals, yes. >> -- thank you so much for your time, i greatly appreciate it. i hope you and your team stay safe, thank you so much for making time for us. >> thank you. >> there's another hour of ayman after a quick break. ayman after a quick break.

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