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ludicrous. but also to suggest that this has not -- that hunter biden has not in his economic dealings, his financial dealings, not been looked into by the justice department thoroughly, by congress thoroughly is also ludicrous. now, this is not a great day for joe biden because even though when presidents get impeached it usually accrues to their benefit politically, it's not a fun thing to go through. when you're the president on team democracy, team normal, government can work, it's more chaos. it's not great. the likely outcome is this does crew to the president's benefit politically because it is politically motivated. the other thing is, you saw the democratic members of congress lining up with enthusiasm to speak on behalf of the president to defend him and criticize his inquiry. you didn't see a lot of
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republicans, but certainly the moderate republicans, ryan was talking about the 17 republicans that currently hold seats and districts that were won by joe biden. they do not want to defend this, and yesterday, a court ruled in favor of democrats on the house map in new york that makes it more likely that democrats will take control back of the house. i think this vote today, assuming that it passes will make it more likely that democrats will take back control of the house. the republicans' leadership are motivated by what trump wants because that's what helps them win their republican primaries. >> but let me ask you about the idea that even if this does not hurt joe biden politically, you talk about the love of a father being politicized, even if they sympathize knowing someone, knowing a friend of a friend, a family member who has had the
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same kind of problems that hunter biden has had, understanding that he is facing the music right now in the courts. somebody who spent a lot of time around joe biden when he was president of the united states, what about the toll it's taking on him, and the concern that a lot of people close to him have that that is the real political impact here on joe biden, is how he's able to present himself, how exhausting this is for him emotionally, as well as everything else. >> the biden family is very sophisticated, they have been in politics for a long time. they understood if joe biden ran for president and won that something like this was likely to happen. it's not unexpected. and, you know, president biden has demonstrated from the time he lost his daughter and his wife and continued to show up to work from when he lost his son beau biden and continued to show up for work, and to run for
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president, even though he understood it would continue to take a toll, it's not fun to go through this process, but this family has been through worse, he has been through worse. i really don't think that that's going to amount to a political toll that it will take on him. >> tara, i want to play more of what hunter biden said this morning, and he went after the republicans who are targeting not just him but obviously his dad. >> there is no fairness or decency in what these republicans are doing. they have lied over and over about every aspect of my personal and professional life. so much so that their lies have become the false facts believed by too many people.
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no matter how many times it is debunked, they continue to insist my father's support of ukraine against russia is the result of a nonexistent bribe. they displayed naked photos of me during an oversight hearing. and they have taken the light of my dad's love, the light of my dad's love for me and presented it as darkness. they have no shame. >> tara, i want to ask you how that plays, do you think, with that very small slice of the american electorate, known as the persuadable voter, few percentage, maybe less. do they see that as something sympathetic or do they see it as self-serving? >> i think at this point that the idea that hunter biden is now going on offense and that he has fully embraced his responsibility for his addiction, for his wrong doing in certain areas, mistakes that
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he has made, i think that does play to those folks. what the republicans are doing plays only to their maga extremist base. there are millions of families in this country who have relatives or family members or friends that have suffered from addiction. and the fact that the republicans have continued to use this over and over again as a cudgel, i think turns off those average americans who look at this and say, what more do you want this man to go through. he has been publicly embarrassed. he has been indicted by the federal government. the president of the united states is guilty of nothing other than being a loving father. and i'm sure that there are a lot of folks out there who have gone through addiction that wish they had a father and mother as loving and supportive as the bidens have been for beau biden. the fact that republicans are continuing to use this this way i think just shows you that the level of the depravity and immorality that this party has sunken to all in the name of
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putting forth maga and their agenda. and i think good for hunter biden for taking this head on. the idea that republicans don't want him to testify in public tells you everything you need to know. he has literally laid bare everything he's gone through for the public to see. and now he's willing to testify under oath in public so republicans cannot continue with this grotesque, of someone who has suffered from addiction. what donald trump tried to do to joe biden in 2019 when he tried to extort the ukrainian president to get dirt on joe biden because he was afraid that biden would beat him, and he did. legitimately in 2020. this is the republicans further extending that, doing his bidding from 2019. and it's all to distract. we already know this. it's to distract from the fact that donald trump actually engaged in high crimes and misdemeanors, not once, but twice, and the fact that he's
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under indictment for 91 counts of criminal offenses against this country. so it's pathetic to watch this. but i think it's going to backfire, and it's a distraction. there are other issues the american people are worried about in this country. and, you know, the idea that we have a woman, a pregnant woman in texas that can't get an abortion, has to flee her home state or you have other republican controlled states that are criminalizing women's health care across this country, and that's going to be a huge issue going into 2024. all of the this impeachment nonsense is to distract from the maga agenda that republicans are putting forth, and the fact that you have a front runner in donald trump who's bragging about wanting to be a dictator on day one and destroying our democracy. that's what this is actually about. >> i don't think there's any doubt the republicans would like to make this a big part of the presidential campaign. it's also going to impact potentially republican congressional campaigns. the "new york times" writes, house republicans led by representatives represented by
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elise stefanik of new york, rolled out a marketing campaign, aimed as casting the bidens as a crime family, featuring a new web site and posters of grainy photos through a night vision style view. if you're part of the president's campaign or democrats, surrogates generally, how do you deal with that? >> i think you just talk about trump, right? i mean, you talk about what donald trump has actually done and the threat that he actually poses. and the votes of these house members that are in biden districts have taken. when they took, you know, from taking 15 round of voting to trying to pick a speaker, the first month they took office, republicans took office in congress, they voted, they passed anti-abortion measures that are not popular. they continue to do that with the defense authorization bill. they tried to roll back popular climate change investments, and
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today they're taking an unpopular vote to impeach the president of the united states. there is a hole. the only problems the house democrats have by making an argument for why democrats should control the house and not republicans is there are too many examples of out of control extreme measures that the house republicans have voted on, and that is what you take to voters, and i really think, i mean, i can't imagine that these 17 republicans that represent democratic districts, districts that voted for joe biden believe they can withstand what's going to come their way when they're held accountable for the votes they have taken. >> jen palmieri and tara setmayer, thank you for your expertise, and also the latest episode of jen's podcast, how to win 2024 is now available. jen and claire mccaskill are joined by former senior adviser to president obama dan fifer to
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. we have been following the breaking news. republicans set to approve a formal impeachment inquiry into president biden without evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors. we have been following the debate for the last hour, but we want to get you up to speed now on some other big headlines, including from the supreme court. it will take up a landmark case on the commonly used abortion pill. what it could mean for access to the medication. and a historic deal for the future of the planet. nearly 200 countries agreeing to move away from fossil fuels after a summit that nearly ended in failure. plus, the fed's final interest rate decision of the year. what it means for americans already spending more than usual for the holidays. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. let's begin with that decision from the fed. cnbc's christine romans joins us now for cnbc on msnbc. what's the headline, and what does it mean for our wallets? >> the headline is the fed did
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not change interest rates and that actually is big news. doing nothing is big news. that means the fed will be holding interest rates for six months. the next meeting is not until january. interest rates will stay at this level. what the fed told us, the fed told us that inflation is easing, that the strong growth we saw in the third quarter is moderating a bit, and jobs growth is moderating, and those are the ingredients, chris, really for a soft landing, and that's what the fed has been looking for, right, it's been trying to raise interest rates to quell inflation. these three pauses here in a row show you the fed is going to sit back, not declare victory over inflation but see what happens next and whether we can get this economy into a soft landing and get inflation under control. inflation has been issue number one for american families for so long here. inflation moderating but it's
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not back to the 2%. you see 3.1% there. it's not the 2% the fed would like to see. it thinks it can get there by 2025. >> christine romans, thank you so much. at long last, leaders at the international climate summit reached an agreement after days of disagreement over fossil fuels. critics say it's still not enough. nbc's matt bradley is reporting on this. the language chosen wasn't say definitive, necessarily, on phasing out fossil fuels but it's more than they thought they might have gotten just a couple of days ago. >> reporter: that's right, chris. a lot of voices wanted to phase out fossil fuels completely, and instead, this agreement. it's important to mention, this is a non-binding agreement for those nearly 200 nations who signed on to it. instead, it calls for transitioning away from fossil fuels, but towards 0 emissions by 2050. again, some of the greener voices also wanted to see
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tougher language against the construction of coal power plants, from rich countries to help the poorer countries transition toward lower emission standards. that's a big question, and one that has to be ironed out. these are poorer countries that are in many ways most affect bid climate change, and they'll have the most trouble adapting to the new rules, the new idea for them as they're in the middle of transitioning toward using hydrocarbons, they're being asked to transition away from it as their economies developing. even though we're seeing so much pessimism, why this is such a big deal. this is the first time a global agreement has called on governments to roll back their use of fossil fuels. it's actually the first time an agreement like this has even used the word fossil fuels, and you know, that might sound symbolic, and it is, but it shows there's a growing political will to try to fight climate change on a global level
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using huge con fabs like this one. chris. >> matt bradley, thank you so much. the right wing pressure campaign to investigate joe biden is about to reach a critical juncture. just hours from now, the house will vote on whether to formalize an impeachment inquiry into the president. to be clear, republicans have struggled to uncover any evidence of wrong doing by the president, something that was pointed out repeatedly during a heated debate on the house floor. >> president biden must be held accountable for his lies, corruption and obstruction. >> the biden impeachment investigation isn't a who done it, it's a what is it. >> the american people deserve transparency and accountability. they deserve the truth, and that's exactly what they're going to get from this republican house. >> this whole thing is an extreme political stunt. it has no credibility. no legitimacy, and no integrity. it has a side show. every single one of their crazy claims has been exhaustibly
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debunked, yet here we are. >> joining us now, florida congressman, jared moskowitz, a democratic member of the house oversight and foreign affairs committee. good to have you back on the show. as you know, the republicans leading the charge on impeachment say this is really just about having more powers to investigate, to gather more information in an open inquiry. is that what you see happening here? >> oh, no, of course not. what we're doing now is taking a vote to try to please donald trump. that's what this is all about. this is the donald trump friend olympics, trying to get invited to a sleepover at mar-a-lago. 50% of all impeachments in american history, and 100% of indictments in american history. that's what this is about. they have had eleven months of hearings, even though members of the republican party filed articles of impeachment within hours of president biden taking
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office, before depositions, before any documents were turned over. but we've had eleven months of hearings, over 50,000 pages of documents have been turned over by the white house, something the trump administration didn't do when they were investigated. the biden administration turned over the documents, and the only thing that james comer can prove with the evidence he has uncovered is that hunter biden is the son of the president. that's the only thing that the chairman has been able to prove. that's why senator grassley came out today and said there's no evidence on joe biden if they're not willing to listen to senator grassley, it should be obvious to the american people, this is not about the evidence, this is not about the facts. it's about pleasing one person, donald trump. >> house republicans now say they are going to initiate contempt proceedings against hunter biden because he skipped the closed door deposition. he did appear outside the capitol to challenge republicans
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to question him in an open setting. here's a small part of that. >> republicans do not want an open process where americans can see their tactics, expose their baseless inquiry or hear what i have to say. what are they afraid of? i'm here. i'm ready. >> well, your colleague on the other side, jim jordan, essentially answered that. here's what he said about what we just heard from hunter biden. >> this is what the democrats did. don jr. had to testify twice in a deposition setting, two different committees, but somehow that doesn't apply to the biden family. that's not how it works in our country. supposed to be equal treatment, the same treatment under the law. >> congressman does he have a valid argument. should hunter biden have shown
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up for his deposition the way the trumps did. >> he's using what happened in previous congresses. nobody turned down the folks from a public hearing. they weren't offered a public hearing. they were offered a deposition, day took the deposition. chairman comber on multiple instances on television said hunter biden can come for a public hearing or a deposition of his choosing. hunter biden took up the chairman and said i'll come for a public hearing because he doesn't want the republicans to lie about what happens in the basement, and all of a sudden chairman comer is freaking out. he's scared about what hunter biden said. he has demagogued and republicans have demagogued hunter biden. he's going to have to deal with that. they have torn hunter biden down. they said you can defend yourself in public, he said,
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great, i would love to do that. they're saying we can't have the american people hear from hunter biden. transparency is bad. they're running away from this hearing. we're about to have this impeachment inquiry vote that's so important, the evidence is so overwhelming, the nation must be focused on, and then we're going to leave for three weeks. they're going to vote and run. they're going to run away from the impeachment inquiry vote and not hold a single hearing and go home. that's how you know this is just all failure theater. >> let me ask you about that because it is increasingly looking likely that congress leaves for the holiday without passing funding for israel, funding for ukraine. president biden called out republicans for their inaction on his foreign aid package during that press conference with the ukrainian president yesterday. take a listen. >> a host of a kremlin-run show said, and i quote, well done,
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republicans. that's good for us. if you're being celebrated by russian propagandists, might be time to rethink what you're doing. >> there was buzz that the white house would be open to potentially tougher border restrictionings. are you open to that to get this done? >> look, i think the president is exactly right on what he's saying, this is a win for putin, it's a win for china, and what kind of message does it send for our allies that we're walking away from our obligations, our commitments in ukraine and israel. make no mistake about it. speaker johnson had the ability to pass a clean israel bill up here over a month ago. he played politics, rather than bringing democrats and republicans together on the capitol steps, he tied it to the irs. he was told that bill was dead. >> congressman, is the political reality they're in the majority, and are you willing to make some compromises on the border to get this funding done for israel and ukraine? >> i am willing to make compromises on the border.
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i agree with the president, let's make a deal. the problem is the republicans can't make a deal amongst themselves let alone the democrats. this is the chaos congress. the only thing they're known for is removing a speaker and expelling another member. i'll make a deal on the border. that's how important it is for this country, ukraine and the world, and how important it is for our israel ally. democrats are always willing to work across the aisle, always willing to find common ground. they have to be able to figure out what they're willing to accept. they have to take yes for an answer. i'll meet them in the middle. let's get a deal done. let's not leave. >> we're out of time, but i'll ask you very very quickly, do you think there's any chance that this vote later on to go ahead with the inquiry doesn't pass? >> oh, no, they're so scared of donald trump. there's no way they're going home for christmas without delivering this, you know, fake impeachment inquiry vote. they're going to do that for the former president. >> congressman, jared moskowitz, thank you for your time.
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we are waiting to see if rudy giuliani will take the stand in his own defense as he tries to avoid having to pay millions of dollars for defaming
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two georgia election workers. a social media expert testified about the amount of damages ruby freeman and shaye moss should receive. according to her analysis, it could cost $47.8 million to repair their reputations, based on the millions of impressions that giuliani's false statements garnered on social media, in news web sites and on tv. heanalysis follows emotional testimony yesterday from shaye moss whoescred the many threats she received after being falsel accused of treas. quote, they kept telling me it was punishable by death and they could hang me and they coul hang my mom. i was afraid for my life. the threats also took toll on her family. her then 14-year-old son who received racist texts and phone calls on a cell phone that used to belong to his mom failed all his final exams that semester. let's bring in ken dilanian, danny cevallos is with me, a criminal defense attorney, and msnbc legal analyst. what's the latest from the
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courthouse? >> that expert is being cross examined by rudy giuliani's lawyer. she had some powerful testimony about the extent to which these lies about these two women rocketed around the internet. for example, just one advertising post by the trump campaign that accused these two women falsely of stuffing ballots into a suitcase, got as many as 18 million impressions. her point was it would take those millions of dollars, up to $48 million to clean all of that up and restore their reputations. of course that's not possible. but what this jury is being asked to do is compensate them for the harm that they have suffered. it's not clear whether the plaintiffs will rest today and see rudy giuliani on the stand or whether that will have to wait until tomorrow. but one of the big questions about his testimony will be what position he takes because he's already, as you know, told reporters outside the courtroom that he repeated some of the same defamatory statements that
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the judge has ruled were problematic, and the judge admonished him for that and ordered that he not be able to say those things in front of the jury. it's very clear he's not on the same page with his lawyer here, and really what he's going to say is anybody's guess, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you for that. so, look, danny, central to what happens here is shaye moss, right? it is hard to manage, to imagine a more sympathetic witness. talk about her testimony, the things that happened in her life, affirmed by this witness mean to this case? >> her testimony will be critical in what is probably a difficult damages case. here's what i mean by that. in defamation cases, proving the value of a reputation is a difficult thing to do. because what is a reputation, and in some cases, it's easier to prove than others. take johnny depp, for example, several months ago, seems like a decade ago, here's someone who
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may have said, okay, because of someone's defamation, i lost a movie role, and you look at the price tag and put that in evidence. or take a pizzeria, their pizza is terrible, you can show gross receipts, they went down after the social media campaign against me. but private people like these plaintiffs as awful as their experience is, how do you place a dollar amount on that. and the plaintiffs are doing a really really creative, impressive job. they have called an expert to say, hey, let's look at this in terms of how would you repair this damage from the online comments about them. it would cost millions upon millions of dollars. that's the way you should measure damages in a case like this, and it may get them over the hill. that plus the testimony of these very very sympathetic witnesses. here's the harsh truth, something tangible like a broken femur is something that's easier
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to compensate than just the nebulous harm to the psyche or reputational harm. could an angry jury make this a kagillin dollars, they could. but they could go the other direction and say we don't see something tangible here. the plaintiff's team is doing a good job of giving the jury a hook to hang a verdict on if that's going to be a multimillion dollar verdict. >> does the emotional, though, sometimes inform what would be the financial? in other words, yeah, she doesn't make the money that johnny depp made. she was not an election worker to get rich, but that was her livelihood. >> yeah. you're exactly right. and our system in a way seems to reward the wealthy, you know, the business owners with high gross receipts. what do you do if you're a private person and you are defamed. it's unfortunate. >> it's it more relatable, to
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lose your job, be afraid to give your name if you want to have something delivered, not go to the grocery store, not to make a movie where you're paid $20 million. >> if you're the plaintiff's attorney, look at what this woman went through. can you imagine going through it yourself, and what would that be worth to you to get your life back. on the other hand, the defense is going to make an argument somewhere akin to, look, what happened to her is awful. it's terrible, but look at the dollar amounts. have they shown that that harm to her reputation is the worth the $15 million that they're asking for, and with a jury of your peers, that could go either way, although i suspect if i were betting, i would say this is going to be a jury who will see this emotional testimony and will return a verdict. maybe not exactly what the plaintiffs are looking for, but probably in the neighborhood. >> danny cevallos, thank you for that. i want to continue the conversation right now with a man who literally wrote the book on rudy giuliani, andrew
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kirtzman, author of "rudy giuliani emperor or the city," he was one, you have studied him perhaps as closely as anybody. what would you be looking for assuming he takes the stand? >> i think he's going to say he was right. i mean, giuliani turns everything into a moral crusade. he always has. even to his own detriment. you know, he's out there talking to the process right now saying that shaye moss and ruby freeman, you know, they did doctor the ballots. he has no evidence of that, but, you know, to giuliani, you know, the fact that he could possibly be wrong never enters his mind. it's kind of what -- >> is that different than saying he believes it? does he believe it? >> you know, i can't get into his mind. i think what he does generally is he kind of adopts a position and then kind of, you know, goes with it, regardless of how much
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cynicism there may or may not be. if you listen to his radio program or podcast, which i do regularly, you're talking about someone who has stuck by donald trump's story line since the very beginning. and, you know, what's interesting about this is that it may be a harbinger of the bigger case. the criminal case against him. you know, people keep asking whether he would turn against trump. you know, here he is at the very late hour, you know, continuing to say that the election was stolen. it's not necessarily in his own best interest, but giuliani never admits he's wrong. he could go to jail complaining that he was right all along. >> he's already said to be broke, and giuliani's lawyer said if moss and freeman get the damages they're asking for, it will be, quote, the civil equivalent of the death penalty. is anybody helping him out right now? i know donald trump held a
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fundraiser. his legal bills are high. >> he's not paying his bills. he's being sued by at least one lawyer right now because he's, you know, allegedly stiffed him for over a million dollars. trump is late to the game in fundraising for giuliani. some people close to trump said that the fundraiser that trump held for giuliani raised a million dollars for him. well, i mean, that's just a drop in the bucket. giuliani has ten civil suits against him. he's been indicted in atlanta. he's an unindicted coconspirator case. he has a sexual harassment lawsuit. he's in deep financial trouble. >> do you think this is now giuliani's legacy, the man once known as we often say as america's mayor, or does he believe in his heart and maybe a lot of other people do too that
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if donald trump gets reelected, there is another place in history in the world right now for rudy giuliani. >> well, i mean, i think he's really ruined his reputation in the last four years, and you know, i say that as his biographer. someone who's enormously impressed by the job that he did as mayor, and as prosecutor, and i was with him on the morning of 9/11, and i watched him kind of achieve greatness that morning. this is a person who has had extraordinary accomplishments in his life, but for varying reasons, giuliani has kind of sold his, you know, reputation for the ability to be close to power. and, you know, that's caused him some problems, and i think that's going to be the source of his downfall. >> we are all going to watch closely what happens. i hope you'll come back and talk to us again. andrew kirtzman, thank you. gaza's uncertain future have
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opened a public riff between president biden and israeli prnister benjamin netanyahu. in his pointedriticism of the war, biden warned that israel is losing global support because of indiscriminate bomng. the president referred to private conversation in which netaahu pointed out to him, well, you carpet bombed germany, you opped the atom bomb, a lot of civilians died. to which biden replied, that's why all of these institutions were set up after world war ii to see it didn't happen again. don't make the same mistakes we mate after 9/11. jonathan lemire, host of "way too early," and msnbc political analyst john spencer, chair of urban warfare studies at west point's modern war institute. these two leaders have had no shortage of disagreements over the past year, west bank settlements. judicial overhaul, the future of the palestinian people. since october 7th, biden has
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thrown himself into netanyahu's corner, and defended israel's campaign to destroy hamas. what is the relationship like, though, right now, as you stand on the lawn of the white house? >> president biden privately has never felt all that warmly towards benjamin netanyahu, had concerns about his plans to overhaul israel's judiciary a year ago, called the plans undemocratic, but saw him as an ally with whom he had to work. october 7th, he came to israel support. he rallied the administration to supply israel with weapons and none as it takes its fight to hamas. there has been growing discontent as to how israel was prosecuting the war. some of that has burst into the open, especially in recent days. we had israeli prime minister netanyahu flat out reject a call for a two-state solution. we heard him differ with what the administration wants to see
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happen in gaza after the war. netanyahu is saying israel needs to have a force there. there will be an occupying presence there, its military will at the very least. the biden administration vehemently opposed to that, and we have the comments from president biden about the way israel is launching its attacks in gaza where the civilian death toll is terribly high. john kirby was pressed on the president's comments about the indiscriminate bombing. kirby said we simply think the civilian death toll is too high. >> let's talk about a tactic in the news today, israel's decision to flood tunnels. it's a major controversy, especially from the families of hostages who may still be underground. biden says there's an assertion being made where the sea water is being pumped, there are no hostages. he doesn't know that for sure.
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can israel be positive, and as an urban warfare expert, what does the flooding of tunnels accomplish for israel that's so important that they're willing to risk that? >> sure, there's always risk. you can't be 100% sure. they're doing that to destroy, to meet that strategic objective of destroying hamas's military capability. you can't leave these tunnels for anybody, even hamas to fall in under, and flooding them with water, historically, compared to other ways, filling them with tear gas and explosives or wet cement is actually the fastest, most effective and really the lowest collateral damage methodology to destroy a tunnel like this, egypt deployed in 2015 to 2018 along the border with gaza to destroy the
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smuggling tunnel, and it was very successful actually. >> jonathan, president biden met with the families of american hostages still in gaza earlier today as i know you know. i want to play some of what we heard from them. >> we felt before and we're only reinforced in seeing and believing that we could have no better friend in washington or in the white house than president biden himself and his administration. >> they are just not numbers and faces, they are sons. they are sons. they are grandparents. they are mothers. >> she went on to say that joe biden gets that. so a lot of faith in the president. a lot of hope for their loved ones. how do you expect that influence to affect joe biden in dealing with netanyahu? what's on the table is maybe the better question beyond simply voicing his displeasure to force israel to change course. >> certainly first in a moment like this, president biden has long shown real empathy to those
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suffering, drawing upon his personal loss. it comes as no surprise the families would find comfort in the audience with him. there are grave concerns about the fate of the hostages. the u.s. does not have confirmation who is still alive. hamas has suggested that they may not themselves have possession of all of these american hostages, and of course there's concern that what israel is doing, whether it's flooding the tunnels or dropping bombs from the sky could inadvertently kill some of those hostages. we have heard the heard the white house rule out conditions of putting aide to israel. the president himself mused that it could be possible. that's a card they're not willing to play. it's possible down the road because of growing frustration on how israel is connecting the war. there's no question, they will continue to support israel. not going to be cutting ties.
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there's grave concern with netanyahu's leadership. there's a belief netanyahu's time is limited and would likely end at the end of the first phase of the war, and there's concerns as to what netanyahu might do to extend his stay in it's a tense relationship, and one that is growing more strained by day. >> john, "new york times" t thomas friedman back from a trip to arab states offers this warning. i was left a very strong impression here that the saudis wants the americans to shut down the gaza war as soon as possible because the death and destruction in gaza is radicalizing their young population. the qatari prime minister made a similar warning about the risk of radicalization. after all of this death and destruction, is israeli potentially building a more fierce opponent, not eliminating hamas? >> in my opinion, no. really the october 7th changed the world to include how you
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free throw, you know, basically terrorism. you can't give them sanctuary to build a military capability of that size. what israel does the day after they destroyed hamas to remove the immediate threat to their survival will matter in that process, the battle of ideals, the battle of radicalization. you can't have a military capability on your borders like this, and what they do the day after will matter. >> john spencer, jonathan lemire, good to have both of you on the program. thank you. coming up, why tesla just had to recall nearly every car it's sold in the u.s. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. jansing reports" only on msnbc
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