they're pushing for vaccinations ahead of the christmas holiday gatherings. >> erika edwards, thank you so much for that. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports," we're on every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. right here on msnbc. have a great weekend, everybody. "katy tur reports" starts right now. ♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur. the abortion issue was everywhere this week as a matter of women's health care in the courts. as a political issue on both capitol hill and the 2024 campaign trail. and now with a deeply reported behind the scenes look from the "new york times" on how we got here, an inside view at how the new conservative supreme court majority overturned decades of precedent to kill roe v. wade. including details on when the justices made a decision to take it up, who among the

conservatives had second thoughts, and what the leaked draft did to any hope for compromise. now a year and a half later, the high court is on clean up duty. agreeing to take on the first major complication from its ruling, this one on the abortion pill. mifepristone. the decision, which could effectively ban the pill nationwide should come next june, meaning the court will keep abortion front and center in the summer before the presidential election. an issue that has repeatedly proven to boost democrats, especially as republicans are still struggling to figure out what to say on it. just listen to senators ted cruz and john cornyn on this week's decision by the texas supreme court to deny kate cox an abortion. >> senator, are you supportive of the texas supreme court's ruling in the kate cox case that prevented her from getting an

abortion after she learned her fetus was not viable. >> call the press office. >> i have for two days, and i haven't received an answer. >> are you worried about women in your state who may be at risk by state laws like kate cox. >> i'm not a state official. i'm not going to comment on what state officials are doing. i'm happy to comment on anything that i'm responsible for. >> joining us now, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin and "the new york times" adam hiptack whose reporting i just mentioned. adam, i want to begin with you. i think you have some insightful and meaningful detail in this piece. i want to start with when the court decided to take on the issue of abortion and how quickly it became clear that the conservatives had the majority to overturn it within the supreme court. >> well, so the standard account is that ruth bader ginsburg dies, amy coney barrett comes on

to the court, and it's inevitable. it's going to happen. but in fact, they take months and months and months of internal deliberations about whether to hear the case. and our reporting shows that justice barrett ultimately voted against hearing the case, so the bear minimum of four justices, it takes four justices to put a case on the docket, did that, and while justice barrett ultimately voted with the majority to undo roe v. wade, our reporting shows that this was a much more complicated enterprise within the court to get it on the docket and then even once it's on the docket, there were strenuous efforts made by the center of the court, chief justice roberts and justice brayer, a liberal to try to come up with a compromise, so much so that justice brayer taught about doing away with part of roe.

>> stephen breyer was on the court at the time this reporting covers and he was one of the justices trying to find a way to at least save some of roe v. wade. i am curious, though, in talking about the decision to take this up and where the heads were of the justices, i think it's important to go back to the confirmation hearings, and to hear what justices gorsuch and kavanaugh said about roe v. wade when they were asked about it by senators. >> i said that it's settled as a precedent of the supreme court, entitled respect under principles of stare decisis, and one of the important things to keep in mind about roe v. wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years. >> the supreme court of the united states has held in roe v. wade that a fetus is not a person for purposes of the 14th

amendment, and the book explains that. >> do you accept that? >> that's the law of the land. i accept the law of the land, senator, yes. >> so adam, when you listen to that, and from reading your reporting, it seems like those were hollow words from those who men who ended up becoming justices, when they got in the court and presented a case that could overturn roe v. wade, the idea that it was precedent no longer mattered? >> yeah, they really didn't wait very long. i can listen to those words in two ways. as a layperson, it certainly conveys and seems designed to convey that they're going to leave roe alone. to a lawyer, there's enough fudge in there about starry -- stare decisis that gives them a to the average american, they would not have come away with

the impression that those two trump appointees and recall that president trump vowed to put people on the court who would overturn roe, that these two were eager apartments in the project. >> those confirmation hearings are not arguing in front of a court, they're arguing in front of congress. i know that's legalese but as a layperson, that's what you would take away, and that's who they were supposed to talk to. let me ask you about chief justice john roberts and where he fell on this. >> john roberts didn't want to take the case. he had in an earlier case, albeit in a limited way, voted in favor of abortion rights, and then once the case was taken, he found a middle ground where he would have upheld the law for mississippi in front of the court that would ban abortions after 15 weeks. so that would be a significant below, but it wouldn't be 0

weeks. it wouldn't be doing away with roe. it would be doing away with the part of roe that says viability is the dividing line. and states can't ban abortion before viability. had he was working hard to come up with a compromise and to try to peel off one vote. maybe justice kavanaugh, maybe justice barrett, and as i said, justice breyer, a liberal, thought about joining that compromise position, undermining a part of roe, trying to save roe. chief justice roberts, the name sake of the supreme court, the nominal leader was out flanked by five justices to his right, and found himself with the lonely compromise position for which he was the only vote. >> let me ask you about the leaked draft. remember "politico" got a copy of what the decision was going to look like well ahead of the decision coming down. at the time, i guess the

immediate thought was this must have been leaked by somebody who was horrified by this and wants it to stop. but in reading through your reporting and much of what we have learned since then, it seems like by leaking a decision like that, what you do is not, you know, potentially get it changed, but you solidify the position. you solidify the decision so that it can't be changed. >> so i distinguish two things. we don't know the motive of the leaker, but we know the effect of the leak. and the effect of the leak was to make his difficult task of john roberts trying to pick up a vote for a compromise position even harder. i mean, after the leak, the court grew wary of using its electronic communication system, and chief justice roberts who was working on his concurring opinion for his compromise position was wary of even circulating it. so even as a practical matter, it made husband life harder and as you say, quite correctly, the

leaking of the decision and of the votes and of the five votes that had been tentatively cast for it would ordinarily and logically lock people in. they're not going to run away from their votes once they have been made public. >> the court and the reporting grapples with trust after this. certainly the liberal justices and some of, you know, justice roberts and breyer at the time grapple with the idea that, hey, listen, we're not going to have good standing if we overturn this precedent. you had breyer going to the younger members of the court, kavanaugh, amy coney barrett and saying, listen, you are young. you've got a lot of time in front of you. there's no rush on this. you don't want to do something that's going to erode an institution that you're going to be part of for the next 40 years. but what's done is done. and what happened after that, lisa, was a cascading effect across the country where it was severely limited or abortion outright banned in a number of states, and now there's a lot of

litigation figuring out what those bans or that limitation actually means because a lot of the words in these laws passed by state legislatures are vaguely written. and we're seeing that come into full consequence this week in texas. >> absolutely, we're seeing that come into full color view. as adam noted in the piece, there are 21 states in which abortion is banned right now. to your point, statutes that are so vague that no one can figure out what they mean are supposed to be unconstitutional. why? they're void for vagueness because everybody should have the right to understand the impact of a law on them before they act. >> exactly. >> correct. and now doctors in texas, as well as millions of women, too, are in a position where none of them can predict what the consequences of their actions will be as a result of the cascading effect of the dobbs decision. >> and so what we're seeing in texas in particular, the texas

supreme court saying to kate cox, a woman who had been in and out of the er, who was told by doctors her fetus wasn't viable, and her carrying the pregnancy was a risk to her health, her future ability to have children. it's not a woman who just doesn't want to be a mother, not that that should matter, but i should point it out. their wording is so vague that doctors in texas are struggling to perform abortions period. >> that's correct. and their decision this week, after kate cox left the state, didn't leave any more clarity. essentially what they said is a doctor not only needs a good faith belief that their patient requires an abortion to meet the health exception but that belief has to be objectively reasonable, meaning the larger group of doctors, like your average doctor out there, would have to be able to defend that decision as reasonable too. as yourself, katy, if you're an

ob/gyn for a woman in that situation, knowing you could be prosecuted down the line. >> go to prison for the rest of your life. there's mifepristone, and this is going to go back in front of the supreme court because it's unclear what their ruling means for the abortion pill, and we have conflicting cases in both texas, amarillo, texas, and i believe it was washington state. >> there's one thing that we know about their decision to take cert or grant review of this decision. >> i appreciate that. >> thank you for preventing me from talking too lawyer like. what we know about it is that they're not going to review the original year 2000 decision to make mifepristone legal. what they are going to do, though, is look at what happened in 2016 and 2021, which really expanded the availability of mifepristone, made it available by mail, shortened the number of visits that someone has to make to a doctor. do you even have to visit your doctor in person at all? the availability of mifepristone is what's on the line now, and

particularly in states that don't have abortion access or where the health exceptions are so vague that no one can qualify in advance, essentially, making the exception null, these are distinctions that really matter. >> so this is such a major ruling, the overturning of roe v. wade last year, and it has been consequential in so many different lives across the state since then. it's been hugely consequential, politically speaking, vaughn, i'm saving this conversation for you. in the past year and a half, we have seen democrats in multiple elections, regularly scheduled elections and special elections win on the issue of abortion. we have seen voters in deep red states vote yet to enshrine abortion into their constitution. it has been a winning issue for democrats across the board, and this mifepristone ruling if it comes next june, say it limits abortion even more.

regardless, it will put abortion back front and center ahead of a hugely consequential presidential election, one that democrats say should center around abortion, we just played one moment ago, senators john cornyn and ted cruz talking about or refusing to talk about the kate cox story out of texas, how has abortion been playing on the campaign trail? you have been following a lot of republicans. >> reporter: right. oftentimes donald trump on the campaign stage puts the republican losses on the backs of republican candidates who he says didn't message abortion the right way. he says that he believes in exceptions in the cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother, and that that is the type of messaging that republicans around the country when they're talking about legislation in their own states should be getting behind. at the same time, donald trump from that very campaign stage has made it very clear who is responsible for in his words, getting rid of roe v. wade.

now it's him, saying, quote, he was honored for being responsible for three conservative supreme court justices on the bench in order to overturn roe v. wade, and he has made it very clear saying, quote, that none of these antiabortion rights laws would be possible without him. also in 2015, katy, of course, he suggested there should be a quote punishment for women who have abortions. donald trump is stuck now with these abortion laws around the country and he's a candidate who is not even refuted that he may potentially sign a federal abortion ban himself. and this is important politically, katy, because we're hearing it from voters on the ground. i was in west branch, iowa, a town of 2,500 in eastern iowa yesterday, and i was tacking an otherwise random woman on the sidewalk walking her dog about the caucus coming up a month from now. she told me she is identified as a conservative independent. she's going to go and caucus on the republican side on january

15th. she intends to caucus for nikki haley, she's pro life and pro choice, and she's tired of white men in washington making these decisions. they have said this is a situation in which compassion needs to be shown for the mother. this is for republicans a difficult area they now find themselves, particular after in the case of ron desantis as somebody who signed just last april a six-week abortion ban. nikki haley, just this last month, she was asked whether she would sign similar legislation, and she said that she would, and so for republicans, this is purely now in their corner, now that roe v. wade is overturned, and clearly when you look at polling, and also conversations like the woman in eastern iowa yesterday, it's at the forefront of their minds and indicates it's not an issue by voters, and republicans make up for the consequences politically. >> hugely consequential for the law, family health and planning,

politics, perhaps no bigger issue that is currently out there, than the issue of abortion. vaughn and lisa, thank you very much. adam liptek, thank you for joining us on that extraordinary reporting. i learned a lot. appreciate it. coming up next, the idf said it accidentally killed three hostages in gaza. what israel says happened, and how much sway does the white house actually have with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. the national security adviser was in israel. what he told official there is that the u.s. wants to see. and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon. sure, i'm a paid actor, and this is not a real company, but there is no way to fake how upwork can help your business. search talent all over the world with over 10,000 skills you may not have in house. more than 30% of the fortune 500 use upwork because this is how we work now. ♪ unnecessary action hero! ♪ -missing punches? more-unnecessary!the for-check reversals?rk

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happened? >> reporter: well, i was actually just speaking with a team about confirming some of these names and the israeli military has come out with the names of the three hostages. they say were killed by accident inside the gaza strip, and they are yotam haim, a 28-year-old, that's a photo of him you see on the screen there. there's sammer talalka kidnapped if from kibbutz near am, and alan shalitz, his name was confirmed by the authorities in israel and by the hostages forum. he was kidnapped on october 7th from kibbutz kifar. it appears as though the israeli military confused them for fighters on the gaza strip, and that they were either trying to flee their captors or the

kidnappers had abandoned them in the northern part of thegaza strip and this led to this unfortunate situation where the israeli military targeted and killed three of the hostages that they would have been trying to rescue. their bodies were taken tside the gaza strip. they were identified at a base use used for identification purposes, about a 30-minute journey from tel aviv where we're coming to you this evening. these are not the only deaths inside the gaza strip. there was an al jazeera cameraman killed, and a reporter who was injured as well inside the gaza strip. so we've had those five names of five individuals, four killed and one injured coming to us this evening. >> hala gorani, thank you very much. joining us now, former israeli peace negotiator and president of the u.s. middle east policy, daniel levy.

it's good to have you back. this is a really frustrating bit of news, a tragic bit of news. i'm sure obviously the israelis are not happy about it. the u.s. officials are trying to get israel to change tactics here, to be more surgical in its bombing, to change phases of the war, go from a bombing campaign to more boots on the ground strike, human force strike campaign to try to eliminate hamas. it doesn't sound like the israelis are all that receptive to it, though, what can you tell us about what you have been able to gather? >> what we know is that prime minister netanyahu thinks he's pretty good at playing, gaming an american administration. he was caught on camera when he wasn't leader in 2001. not knowing he was being recorded. saying america is an easy thing

to move, and i think the question is do they really want to sway this. have they really had enough of the killing 7 1/2 thousand plus palestinian children, double that number in terms of overall civilians. because if the u.s. administration wants to see this stop, then i think they've got to move beyond saying the mission should continue. they're going to have to lean in to a cease fire. the humanitarian catastrophe cannot really be gotten to grips with unless the guns fall silent, and if they're serious, big if in my mind, then do they have the political smarts to do this the right way? because so far we're seeing political ineptitude if that's their goal. there is a way of going about this, katy, that i think could shift the dynamics in israel and the sad events that we have just been told about today regarding those three israelis being held

who have been killed, that's part of the answer. which i think is most susceptible to generating mobilization for change is this very question, and i think the first thing the administration should be doing is saying, let's prioritize getting the rest out. 110 were released through a negotiation. several have now been killed because of israel's military operations. this is something the israeli public is challenging its government over. secondly, the administration, i think, will have to turn around and not just say we'd like to see you do this differently but say we're going to have to change the way in which we're giving you weapons if you don't. we're going to have to have an oversight mechanism for how you are using american munitions and weaponry, and the third thing, i think, if they were serious and they had a political strategy

would be to say we have been talking about two states because they keep using this mantra of two states. this government is committed to rights in the land, the entire land being only for jews. that's the coalition platform. i think they should turn around and say, if that's your position, how are you going to guarantee equal rights for palestinians. that sets off a different conversation inside israel. there's a way of doing it. just not the way they're doing it now. the israelis can brush this off, continue to give the weapons, veto resolutions at the u.n., give the rhetorical support. >> can netanyahu even have that conversation? right now, the only reason he's still in power and could potentially remain in power after this is if he keeps the far right on his side. if any one of the far right that he has aligned himself with were to defect, he's out, he's done with. he has to appease them. can he even have that conversation, even about rights

for palestinians? >> no, he is running a regime which is predicated on denying palestinians rights. if the americans wanted to be honest, they would say we can't accept your apartheid regime. that's the reality of the situation. but i think you're absolutely right, katy. my question is it the american administration goal to keep netanyahu in power no matter what or do they start doing things, no, they don't put a banner on it. this is to get netanyahu out of power. you approach this in a way that plays in the cracks and fi fissures inside the didn't. there is an accumulation of israel failures, which i think reflect harshly on the u.s. as well, and perhaps there's a real need to pull israel back before it does itself more self-harm. first the failures on the 7th of

october, and second the cruelty in the israeli collective punishment, and now the military shortcomings on the ground, another one sadly experienced today. there's an argument to be made that the region is taking note of the failures, and demonstrating weakness, and probably time to put an end to this really unfortunate chapter. >> why aren't there calls for hamas to surrender? they committed these horrors, they are continue to go fight. all of this could stop if hamas surrenders, releases the hostages. why is there not louder international calls to condemn and demand that hamas stop fighting? >> and how do you think those calls will be received by hamas? we can all tilt at windmills, howl at the moon. perhaps there should be calls to end the entire occupation and take that to the palestinian. if israel ends the entirety of the occupation, will hamas end

its resistance, everything it's doing. the question is do we want to feel good about grand standing or do we want to end this. the american position is still not to end this. if it wants to end this, it knows what the cost is, an agreed negotiated hostage release. the cost is going to be a prophesy spire. hamas would then stop its rockets, israel will stop its attacks, and then you either move to a serious political track, something we haven't seen for an awfully long time, the absence of which led to hamas gaining strength, led to what happened on the 7th of october, led to the weakening of the alternative vector in palestinian politics, you either see a serious effort to do politics to any occupation, to have security rights to both peoples or we're going to be in this horrendous place for an awfully long time. that's the reality of wicked

political issues that go unresolved. >> it leads to a question whether there's a negotiating partner for that, or anybody. >> or exactly, the israeli government and with benjamin netanyahu in charge, is a negotiating partner. daniel levy, thank you very much as always for coming on. what we know about a missing intel binder, holding classified information on russian election interference. this is breaking news don't go anywhere. t go anywhere

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we have breaking news out of washington, a binder containing highly classified information related to russian interference, joining me now, ken dilanian. what is this binder and what do we know about where it might be? >> katy, it's a binder full of highly classified details about russian efforts to interfere in

the 2016 election. and a u.s. official told me that it went missing in the waning days of the trump administration. and officials were so concerned, they briefed the senate intelligence committee two years ago. this was later confirmed by "the new york times." the binder was an effort by trump officials to declassify what they thought would be incriminating information about what they viewed as an inappropriate fbi investigation into whether the trump administration colluded or the trump campaign colluded with that russian interference effort. some of the material in this binder was highly sensitive and classified, involved sources and methods and at least one version of this binder went missing, we're told. my source was not able to say whether the u.s. government has subsequently recovered it, but cnn and the "new york times" are saying that they have not. as far as everybody knows, this is still missing and there's still a search underway to figure out where exactly it

went. various trump administration officials who may have had access to it have denied through representatives that they had anything to do with it. it remains a mystery at this point. >> really interesting. ken dilanian, thank you very much. coming up next, what majority later chuck schumer is doing to his senators' holiday recess in the name of reaching a deal on immigration and aid for both ukraine and israel. don't go anywhere. and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon. ( ♪♪ ) growing up, hughes and cowboys were one and the same. my daddy's a cowboy. i'm a cowboy and i'm raising a cowgirl. and discovering that my family come from farmers, for generations. this life is in our blood. and we ain't stopping no time soon. give the gift of family heritage with ancestry.

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israel has the intent to make sure that it is drawing those distinctions, clearly. >> national security adviser jake sullivan has told his israeli counters parts, the u.s. wants to see israel do more to distinguish between hamas targets and innocent civilians, as the discrepancy of what israel's military says it's doing in gaza and what its actions are doing, and how it's fueling international concern if not outrage. joining us now, coordinator for strategic communications at the national security council, admiral john kirby. it's really good to have you. let me ask you about these hostages that the idf says it accidentally killed. have you been briefed on what they were doing? how they were not -- were they just walking around in northern gaza? were they in civilian clothing? do we know anything more about the other hostages and whether

they may have been abandoned by hamas militants. >> katy, first of all, our hearts and prayers go out to the families here, the families that are going to be getting here, if they haven't already, to get the worst news possible about their loved ones being held hostage by hamas, is a terrible tragedy th minister netanyahu has spoken to. i know the israeli defense forces said they don't have full details yet. we do not either have full details on exactly how it happened and what occurred. i'm sure our israeli counter parts will do the forensics to figure out what went wrong. it's terrible, terrible news. as for the other hostages, i know of no connection between today's tragic events and impacts on the specific safety and security of any other hostages being held. obviously we want them all released. the best safety for them is to get them out now, and hamas could do that if they do the right thing and release them all, obviously they haven't proven willing to do.

>> can you tell americans who turn on the televisions or open social media and read the newspaper and see horrific images out of gaza, the destruction, the weather and rain, the number of bodies, the mothers screaming for their children. the horrible death toll and devastation that gazans are living in. and they wonder to themselves, is the united states supporting this sort of pain and suffering. what can you tell them that the united states is saying to israel, and what sort of influence we have with israel to make sure that they're not indiscriminately, which the president said, bombing gaza. >> i agree, these images are difficult, difficult to take in, to look at, to try to fathom the level of suffering that the people of gaza are experiencing right now. suffering that was caused by hamas's decision to break a cease fire, and attack israel. and what i would tell those americans is that, first of all, we're doing everything we can to alleviate that suffering by

increasing the flow of humanitarian assistance and are urging now, the israelis will open up the shalom crossing into gaza. a second crossing will be opened up for delivery of trucks, fuel, and the united states is leading that effort. the other thing that gets to it more specifically, and jake sullivan had these conversations again with our israeli counter parts, urging them to, again, be more careful, more deliberate, more cautious in the way they're going after these hamas targets. legitimate targets, there's an added burden on israel because of the way hamas hides behind the human population in gaza. there's an added burden that makes it tougher to go after leaders without causing civilian harm. i will tell you, as we said before, the israelis are receptive to the message. they're listening, they understand it. they know they have the special responsibility and they are making an effort to be more careful. we see that in the number of forces they're applying in north

gaza, which was smaller than normal. we see that in a reduced reliance on air strikes. we see that in the dropping of leaflets, telling us where safe areas can go and not go, opening up for the free flow and safety out of harm's way. can more be done? absolutely more can be done. that's one of the messages delivered. and we're going to keep working with him on that. >> the u.s. has such influence because we give so much money to israel. we give military aid to israel. we are the strongest ally. i find it hard to believe that if a mother or father is warned that they're in danger, that a bomb might be coming toward them that they wouldn't leave. i find that hard to believe, and yet we still see so many civilians being killed. israel says they're warning them. there's a disconnect there. i wonder, does the u.s. say to benjamin netanyahu, hey, listen, we understand you have to get hamas. we agree with that. but there is a limit to what we

can stomach. >> well, i won't get into our private conversations with israeli leaders, i can tell you, though, unequivocally, privately and publicly, we are making it clear to our israeli counter parts that we will continue to support their effort to go after hamas and the terrorists that caused the october 7th attacks. that's legitimate. no country should have to live with that threat next door. at the same time, we are urging them privately and publicly to do this in a way that reduces harm to civilians and to work harder to do that, to work harder to reduce those casualties. it is a specifically tough environment for them to operate in. not that you can perfectly separate the terrorists from the civilian population, since the terrorists, they find value in hiding behind civilians, so it makes it much more difficult for the israelis in this military environment than it would in other unconventional

environments. >> it's right to say when israel says we don't have a negotiating partner for peace, i think that's correct. we don't have a negotiating partner with hamas, and the palestinian authority is not in a position to negotiate because they have been weakened so and in the past they haven't taken it the distance with arafat. do the palestinians have a partner in benjamin netanyahu as he's aligned with far right ministers and needs them. does the u.s. believe peace can be achieved, a negotiated settlement can be achieved where palestinians get rights as long as benjamin netanyahu is in charge? >> we do believe that certainly peace can be found here, and we actually believe that this war could end today if hamas would do the right thing, lay down their arms, turn over the terrorists that attacked israel on the 7th of october and release hostages. clearly they have no interest in doing that. they're the ones that broke the cease fire that was in place on the 6th of october. they're the ones that decided to break the cease fire.

we believe that certainly a peace can be had here, and that's one of the reasons why jake was over there, not only to urge our israeli counter parts to be more careful and deliberate, but also when meeting with mahmoud abbas, to talk about how important the palestinian authority can be in helping us get to a peaceful solution. it can't be hamas. it can't with a terrorist group in charge of gaza. we think a revamped and revitalized authority can be important in there. that was another part of jake's discussion in the west bank in ramallah today. we believe there's a way forward here. it's going to require, katy, leadership on all sides. leadership by prime minister netanyahu and his cabinet, who we know have strong views. leadership in the region. not just with our israeli counter parts but with arab nations around that part of the world and in the united states, they will all continue to find a true friend and supporter in trying to get to a two-state

solution. peace and security for the palestinian people in the west bank and gaza as well as for our israeli allies. >> i think a lot of israelis say they can't do that with netanyahu as well, and it sounded like the president was tiptoeing toward that when he said netanyahu would have to change his government. he didn't say no netanyahu, but he said change his government the other day in front of donors. i'll leave it there. john kirby, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> yes, ma'am. coming up, the fight on capitol hill over immigration and funding for israel and ukraine. how the upcoming iowa caucus is playing into the republican strategy. plus, an nbc news exclusive, what republicans, i'm sorry, what the kremlin spokesman told our keir simmons about america's role in the war between russia and ukraine. ia and ukraine. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. only eggland's best.

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holiday recess earlier this weeks. joining us now is ryan nobles. give us the lay of the land. >> reporter: well, they're talking, katy, which is somewhat of a good sign. the homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas came to the capitol for a second time today to huddle with some of the talks, as they're inching closer to some sort of agreement. and senator chris murphy, kyrsten sinema of arizona, james langford of oklahoma, several have signaled they could have a framework in place by monday next week, but that's not something you with work on, as john cornyn said a few minutes ago on social media. they are talking and there is some progress being made, but the point you raised at the beginning of this segment is so important. even if the senate does come up with a plan, that they can get enough senators, 60 senators, to

vote for and do it this week, the idea that that somehow would break the logjam and bring the house of representatives back here before the christmas holiday seems like what of a fantasy. even if they have a deal in place this week, the idea they're going to muster something to the point of being voted on in the house probably won't happen until they come back after the holidays, which at this point they're not scheduled to come back until january 9th. if they agree and come back, could it happen faster? would we see an agreement on this? >> this is the fraught part of the timing. let's say they even vote it through this week, but then then the house declines to take it up until after the christmas holiday. that piece of legislation will sit there, be scrutinized in ever single sentence, period and question mark to get into account by members, and likely will become less and less likely

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. just days after volodymyr zelenskyy's bruising d.c. visit, europe has also pulled back its health. the eu failed to pass an aid package, blocked by the putin allies, the president of hungary. joining us from moscow, quay simmons. so, keir, you sat down with dimitri peskov, one of the putin's main guys, what did he tell you? >> he was pretty frank, following along the

uncompromising lines you heard from president putin yesterday. in so many words, said they would like to see somebody different in the white house. wasn't specific about who that might be, but someone who understand russia as an equal country, if you like. that's one of the talking points that russia has brought up again and again over many years, of course, but also -- and folks watching woman be surprised. russia likes the idea, frankly, of a u.s. and europe not sending billions more to ukraine. dimitri peskov says that's because he doesn't think it's money well spent. they asked him what they made of president zelenskyy's transcript to washington just this week. take a listen. what about president putin make of president zelenskyy going to washington not able to secure the billions of extra funding --

well, america is strongly involved in this conflict. america and european countries. supplying ukraine with weapons, you are becoming a part of this conflict, willingly or unwillingly. you have to understand your responsibility for that. you are making this conflict longer. america is simply throwing money to seed, to wind. you're just spending money of your taxpayers, and you are getting involved in this conflict deeper and deeper. >> reporter: i also asked him about, of course, alexi navalny, the kremlin critic jailed and now missing for ten days, his people say. they say today they have looked for him in ten other prisons,

where he might have been. they can't find him there. i said it's pretty suspicious, isn't it, that alexi navalny goes missing just when president putin announces he'll stand for election next year? he dismissed that. peskov there and pewant wrong even bring themselves to say navalny's name. >> keir, thank you very much. parties are indicating -- entering, indicating we might have a note from the jury. this is from our producer inside the court. stay tuned for that. that is good to do it for me, though. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. i'm