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can you guess who took them? i bet you can. but i'll give you the big reveal in a bit. plus, i have a very special guest tonight. tarik black thought trotter of the roots joins me to talk about his incredible new --. >> but we begin tonight with breaking news late today out of a washington, d.c. courtroom where a federal jury has returned its decision on the punishment rudy giuliani will face for defaming two georgia election workers following the 2020 presidential election. the eight-person jury unanimously ordered giuliani to pay more than $148 million in damages to ruby freeman and her daughter shaye moss. the verdict followed a four-day trial during which the mother and daughter provided dramatic testimony on how their lives have been forever damaged by giuliani's repeated false claims they committed election fraud. opening them up to a torrent of racist and violent threats. outside the court, both said they were thankful for the

jury's verdict, but that it can never undo the damage that was done. >> that giuliani lit with those lies and passed to so many others to keep that flame blazing changed every aspect of our lives. our homes, our family, our work, our sense of safety, our mental health. and we're still working to rebuild. >> money will never solve all of my problems. i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go and who i choose to share my name with. i miss my home. i miss my neighbors. and i miss my name. >> also speaking to reporters after the decision was rudy giuliani. who struck a defiant tone and vowed that the verdict will

ultimately be reversed. as he did earlier in the week, he continued to push the very lies that brought him to court in the first place. claiming he could prove that his big lie conspiracy theory was true all along. >> i have no doubt that my comments were made and they were supportable and are supportable today. i just did not have an opportunity to present the evidence that we offered. did you notice we were not allowed to put in one piece of evidence in defense? do you also realize liability is not based on any trial? my ability is based on her disagreement with me on discovery which is absurd. >> joining me now is von dubose, attorney for ruby freeman and shaye moss. you just heard rudy giuliani. what do you make of that? as i was listening to him talk, i wrote down the name e. jean carroll who won a defamation suit against donald trump. then he went out and defamed her again.

and she is suing him again. when you hear rudy giuliani continuing to defame your clients and claim that what he claimed about them was true, do you feel like maybe litigating this a second time? >> sure. his comments are unfortunate, but not surprising. we are committed to litigate this as much as we need to litigate these issues. to insure that ms. freeman and ms. moss get as close as possible back to their previous lives. there's nothing that's going to restore them fully. but we're committed to this fight. >> well, you didn't say you're not going to sue again. let me put the award they got on just a scale for our audience to understand. the ruby eemanio case, $16 million for ruby freeman. $16. million for shaye moss for defamation. another $20 million to ruby freeman for otnal distress. another 0 million for shaye

moss on emotional distress. $75 millior both on punitive s. that's the $148.169 million. my question is hre you going to collect? at this moment, rudy giuliani owes $500,000 in unpaid taxes. the has a lien on his pm beach property. he's selling his upper east side property, and his consulting firm defaulted on a debt for a phone bill. how are you going to collect? >> sure. we have already put the pieces in motion for that. we are intending to collect every nickel of it. we'll see how much we ultimately find and how much we ultimately recover. but we are putting the pieces together right now. >> if you remember -- >> i'm sorry. some sound played. go ahead. keep going. >> we're putting those pieces in play right now. we were putting them in play prior to the verdict. so we intend to pursue this verdict. >> just to sort of help our

audience understand how this works, can these ladies put a lien on his properties? would his tax returns be taken? like, pragmatically, how could you make him pay? >> every enforcement measure at our fingertips will be put in play. quite simply. so we'll look at liens. we'll look at garnishments, levees. we'll look at everything. everything, absolutely. >> most important question, how are these ladies feeling? they have been through hell, obviously. we played some of the voice mails, read through some of the messages they have gotten, the death threats. how are they feeling this evening? >> they feel good today. they feel good today. this is one small step in their journey. there's more work to be done. this week in fact was hell at trial. it was very difficult to get on that stand and to talk about what happened to them, and we're

very aprecative of the jury that they recognized, understood, and smoke on what happened to ruby and shaye. >> i must ask you, despite this very big, very important win, and i must add they were very brave, they testified before congress. they were willing to come forward and tell their story. kudos to them for being great members of the civic community. but rudy giuliani didn't do this for himself. he did it for a guy named donald trump. the originator of the big lie is donald trump. i'm sure that these ladies are exhausted by having to deal with a court case in which they had to relive their traumas. but has there been any consideration that maybe the next lawsuit should be against donald trump? >> all options are on the table for us. we're continuing to monitor this situation, as you know, it's an evolving situation. there are a number of things we're considering. so there hasn't been a decision made on that as of yet. but we are looking at all options. >> yeah, and i guess the sort of

obvious question is, beyond that, there are lots of people in the state of georgia who are now facing a criminal case, a rico case, meaning it was not just a couple of people who were attacking ruby freeman and shaye moss. there was a band of people, a band of 19 people. when they think about some of those people, some of whom were african american, who were harassing them directly. do they feel that they ought to also have to pay a civic price for that? >> sure. anyone who was involved in this, i think, theoretically could be held accountable for it. there are a lot of factors that go into selecting the lawsuits you actually bring. when you bring those lawsuits, how you bring those lawsuits, where you bring those lawsuits. so this was the first step in a long journey. >> well, please pass along from "the reidout" audience our congratulations to your clients, ruby freeman and shaye moss. we around here consider them to

be heroes. they defended democracy, they didn't commit crimes for donald trump, they told the truth. and they also helped people vote, which is actually my favorite thing that they do. people who help folks vote and who are working at that level, they don't get a lot of money for it, but they deserve great praise. please pass that along to them. >> i will do that. thank you, joy. >> let's bring in basil smikle jr., democratic strategist and director of the public policy program at hunter college, and susan del percio. thank you both for being here. you both know rudy giuliani. let me play for you, because he's something who is like trump, cannot shut up. lauren windsor, an independent journalist who often gets people to say dumb things by asking them a simple question, she caught up with rudy giuliani after this verdict. and she asked him why he was willing to risk it all for donald trump. here's what he said. >> you're america's mayor, why

are you willing to risk it all for donald trump? >> i'm a man of principle. i have always been a man of principle. this is a fight of principle. i understand that i could have done a lot of things to make this go away. the reason i didn't make it go away is for the american people. the election of 2020 has to be exposed because if not, our country will no longer be a democracy. i know that. i know that in detail. i have the evidence in -- i'm not just talking about this carb i'm talking about a lot of cases. and i know that my country had a president imposed upon it by fraud. >> what is wrong with this person? i mean, genuinely. >> genuinely, i think he has gone through some kind of mental derangement. and i'm serious. i'm not a psychiatrist so i can't diagnose him, but this is not the rudy giuliani who ran new york city for eight years.

this is not someone who ran a consulting firm. this is someone who has literally cut himself off from reality. he has been in part of the trump cult, but the saddest part of it is all is from 2016 to today, i think he sees this as the way of staying relevant. except now, i actually think he believes it all too, which is worse, but he's someone who likes the limelight, who wants it. the lawsuit, maybe he thinks he'll get away with something, he'll get something from trump at the end of the day, if trump wins he'll get out of the legal binds. at the end of the day, i think he's happy to see himself in the media every day, which is really sad and really pathetic for someone who was once a great man. >> i don't know that he was a great mayor. we can debate about that. >> a rel regarded mayor. >> by some, yes. this is a man who is a former u.s. attorney, who could very well be in prison in georgia and

broke very soon. do you think that he is -- does he appear to you to be pretending to believe still that this election was stolen? is he performing for trump to try to become his attorney general? what is he doing? >> i agree with susan in one regard, that i think he is searching for the limelight. he's searching for a path to some platform, and he found that through donald trump. >> what does he want, a podcast? >> i don't know what he wants. >> that money will be garnished. >> i will tell you, he says he's a man of principle. to me, and i know you may disagree with this, he's always been this guy. >> i agree. >> he's the person who led a riot inp front of city hall when a black man was sitting as mayor where there were off-duty officers and others lighting fires in trash cans and holding up signs saying go back to being a washroom attendant.

what he has not had since he was america's mayor is this path to having a platform. that he found that in donald trump. they are like-minded individuals, and every time folks would say this was the big lie, i always said, it was a big conspiracy, because there's no way that one man could have unleashed all of this unless there were individuals willing to help him. rudy giuliani top of that list. so agreeing with what you said before, ms. moss and ms. freeman are heroes because of the courage that it took to defend democracy in front of than onslaught led by donald trump and seconded by rudy giuliani is nothing short of courageous. >> absolutely. and by the way, they had the courage to testify publicly when members of congress didn't have the cajones to do the same. >> that's right, and they are heroes. they deserve everything they got, but i want to bring it out a little bit more. this is so important for our

overall democracy. this award, it's not just the money. it shows that if you have this kind of behavior, you will be held accountable, because what did we all worry about in 2022 and still worry about today for 2024? violence at polling booths. and these are the front line workers. we have all worked -- i'm sure you have too. i know you have. we have been poll watchers. we see what these folks do. they're there for 12, 16 hours a day. they literally are on the front lines. and they did it in a pandemic. those two women. we have to remember that. >> let's let you listen to ruby freeman. she's saying don't be sad for me. listen to this. >> don't be sad for me. don't waste your time being angry at those who did this to me and my daughter. we are more than conquerors.

pray for us as we continue to fight the good fight of faith. i tell my attorneys often, my friends say that god knew who to give this assignment today because if it had been them, they wouldn't have been able to go through this. >> amen to that. by the way, she also said faith carried us through this most difficult time of my life. faith will carry you through the hardships you face. understand the devil is a liar. he is defeated. they're still women of faith even after all this. one final comment here. at some point, do people start to count the cost of the big lie? as of today, rudy giuliani, $148 million. fox, $787.5 million to resolve the defamation suit by dominion. they're still facing smartmatic. this now is closing in on the alex jones $1.49 billion bill. the big lie has cost so much. at some point, i'll let each of

you answer. at some point, do people say it's costing too much? >> no, honestly, the people we need to say it costs too much, no, because donald trump doesn't care because he's going to have his campaign pay for it. what it does do, it shows you will be held accountable. i hope it costs twice, three times, 100 times as much. and people are put in jail for crimes. because that is the message that needs be sent. >> last word. >> it's possible that some of the republican leadership looking for someone other than donald trump are starting to see this cost in many different ways, financially and politically. and i just want to hone in on something ms. freeman said. she's going to miss her name. that hit me. because these are women that essentially have to go into witness protection because of what happened. and my fear is that the chilling effect of that is going to slow down our process and bring down our institutions, but god bless her as a woman of faith, and that's actually something we should all be amplifying right now. >> i will note that one of the

complete fools who joined donald trump's little gang in georgia seemed to continue to threaten them. so they're not out of duress and out of danger. god bless these women and i hope they get every dime, rudy, pay up. basil smikle jr. and susan del percio, thank you. up next on "the reidout," stunning new reporting on a binder filled with highly classified intelligence about russian efforts to interfere in u.s. elections that mysteriously vanished in the final days of the trump administration. "the reidout" continues after this.

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interference had gone missing in the waning days of the trump administration. the story was first reported by cnn, which adds in the twplus years sin trump left office, the missing intelligence does not appear to have been found. cnn reports this ten-inch-thick binder was last seen at the white house during trump's final days in office as part of a last-minute attempt to declassify some of these documents tory to prove that the fbi's russia investigation was all a hoax. republican aides reportedly scoured the material in the hours leading up to joe biden's inauguration, attempting to redact as much classified information as possible so it could be released to the public. which never happened. instead, copies with varying levels of redactions wound up at the national archives while the ornl unredacted version went missing. where it went or who might have it remains a mystery. but there is one theory. cassidy hutchinson who was at the time a top aide to mark

meadows testified to congress and wrote in her memoir that meadows had kept the unredacted version of the binder in his safe. and that she thought she saw him leave the white house with it. which meadows' lawyer denies. but even so, what this reporting describes is yet another example from the trump white house where some of our nation's highly classified security secrets were handled with such little care. joining me is javit ali, senior director at the national security council. thank you for being here. it is a who done it, but if cassidy hutchinson who is the most credible witness and the star witness in january 6th says that she saw mark meadows with it, he denies it, but she also wrote in her book, which i'm assuming means she's committed to that fact, if you're a prosecutor, and you have already got mark meadows looking at charges in georgia, isn't he the first stop that you take to knock on his door to say, do you

have anything to do with this? >> well, joy, nice to be with you again. just when you thought this classified documents story couldn't get any wackier and crazier, now we have the reporting from cnn and additional reporting from "the new york times" today that putting a different perspective on this latest chapter. so when it comes to mark meadows and did he truly have the hard copy set that had the raw intelligence reporting that everyone was looking for. if he was holding on to that and didn't turn it over, yes, there's probably some potential criminal liability there. but there's so many questions to unpack to get to the bottom of this story. why was this binder being shared by lots of people in the white house anyway? probably a lot of whom didn't even have the security clearance to look at the original material they apparently were trying to unilaterally declassify

intelligence in the final days of the administration and somehow get that publicly declassified. that's absolutely nut the way declassification process works. president trump apparently thought the contents of the binder would somehow exonerate part of his story about russia's interference or influence on the 2016 election. on and on and on. it's such a crazy story, and there's so many different angles to look at. >> right, and mark meadows. again, he does deny he took this binder. but he wouldn't have taken it for himself. he would have taken it for this guy. here is donald trump, who is obsessed with the fact that he was impeached for -- well, the first time for trying to strong arm ukraine, but that the fbi credibly found that he did take russian help in order to get elected president. take a listen. >> i call it the russian hoax. one of the great hoaxes. >> it's a democrat hoax that was brought up as an excuse for

losing an election. >> now, we're being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax. >> they're investigating something that never happened. there was no collusion between us and russia. >> let's read from the so-called russia hoax. this is a quote from the mueller report on russia's election interference. the investigation established russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, principally through two operations. first, a russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored donald j. trump and disparaged hillary clinton. second, a russian intelligence service conducted computer intrusion operations against entities, sorry, comma, comma, comma, employees, and volunteers working on the clinton campaign, and then released stolen documents. i will note that bill barr, who was donald trump's attorney general, released a phonied up version of that report to try to exonerate trump. so we know that people who were trump loyalists like bill barr

did try to muddy up the mueller report because they knew that it was damning for him. so would it surprise you if someone besides barr who did this as the official in charge of our -- of the justice department, would it shock you if the chief of staff participated in the same thing? >> it wouldn't shock me, but again, it would be incredibly poor judgment for mark meadows to hold on to this binder full of very sensitive intelligence and then try to use it for political purposes instead of returning it back to the national archives or other parts of the white house. so the fact that the physical binder is missing, that's problematic. the good news side of the story is that the digital copies of those individual intelligence reports are all stored with the agencies that published those reports in the first place. but still, you don't want to have that volume of physical documents apparently ten inches thick just floating around washington, d.c. somewhere and

not having it be returned to the rightful place. again, if someone is trying to hold on to it, whether it's mark meadows or someone else for political purposes, that's not good either. this is just another layer of this classified documents saga that needs to be unpacked and resolved hopefully soon. >> somebody tell judge aileen cannon. last word here, what kinds of information would be in a document like this and who might it threaten to have it out? >> one would think that this binder had individual parts of human intelligence, signals intelligence, other sensitive intelligence that correctively built the analytic picture that talked about the russian campaign in 2016, that as you mentioned had an election influence strand to it and an election interference strand to it as well. and so that's the type of intelligence i would suspect that's in the binder. but where that is now is the $64,000 question. >> anybody's guess.

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civilians were killed overnigh the death toll today includes three israeli hostages which they say were mistakenly identified as a threat by soldiers noting they the either fled or were abandoned by hamas. today, after meeting with officials in israel, white house national security adviser jake sullivan stressed that the u.s. wanted to see results on avoiding civilian casualties. as nbc newsorts that nearly half the bombs dropped on are less precise dumb bombs. the political divide between the u.s. and israel becoming more pronounced, with israel's president rejecting discussion of a two-state solution ahead of that meeting with sullivan. in a small win for american diplomacy, israel today agreed to open a border crossing that leads into israel for direct delivery of humanitarian assistance, something president biden had brought up directly to the israeli prime minister. inse up to now, what aid did come in had to go through the

crossing with egypt. it's the first time aid will cross into gaza directly from israel. joining me now is jani, president and ceo of save the children u.s. and please let me start by asking, did i pronounce your name correctly. >> good enough. >> you're very kind. you're one of the co-authors of a powerful op-ed in "the new york times." the title is we're no strangers to human suffering, but we have seen nothing like the siege of gaza. this is a quote, we can do nothing remotely adequate to address the level of suffering there without an immediate and complete cease-fire. the aerial bombardments have rendered our jobs impossible. number one, please describe some of what is happening in gaza and what your aid workers are experiencing, and does the second crossing change anything? >> thank you, joy. look, what our colleagues experienced there is almost

indescribable. the complete destruction of infrastructure, of hospitals in particular, of homes, of schools, our colleagues and all the other palestinian civilian population is fleeing further south. they're essentially being chased down, the whole strip, until there's nothing left. there's nowhere left to go, essentially, because people can't leave. children are dying. we are looking at almost 8,000 deaths now over the last two months. it's an incredibly high death toll, and people and children are dying terrible, terrible deaths. they die from their wounds. they die from shelling. they will die soon from hunger and waterborne diseases. this really is indescribable. >> you know, i did speak with a spokesperson for prime minister netanyahu. he said that they're doing their best to avoid civilian casualties and that they couldn't go in and do a precise

operation the way they would do if this were on israeli territory because they don't control the ground. if you could clarify, israeli officials did say they were going to turn off the water, turn after the food, and turn off the fuel. don't they control the ground? aren't they in complete control of gaza? isn't it still per the u.n. an occupied territory? >> it is, and i think just turning off basic necessities, as you said, electricity, food, water, telecommunications, that is withholding aid to civilian population. so it is -- what is happening there is unconscionable, also unnecessary, we think. that's why we have been calling for an immediate cease-fire for weeks now. >> i will note that, you know, the time that hostages were released, if that is the primary goal, to get hostages out, the hostages that were released were released during the pause. that is when not only could people breathe and maybe get some food and aid, hostages were

actually released. we now know two or three hostages were killed by israeli defense forces who shot at them as they ran. if the people of gaza can't eat an don't have clean water, that goes for the hostages as well, right? the red cross can't come in and visit them because they're under constant bombardment. isn't it the case that the hostages now are living the lives of gazans? >> well, one would assume, right? we can't confirm the situation of the hostages, but you're absolutely right. the red cross can't come in. nobody can do their jobs actually. that is probably one of the most harrowing things for humanitarians because we would know what to do if there was an end to the violence, and as you say, during the humanitarian pause, which now seems like a lifetime ago, but those seven days, although it wasn't enough and not enough came in and it's not a long time, things were possible. we could deliver aid, we could deliver food and water to the civilian population.

we could even start to do small things with children to take their minds off it, to start to do some light recreational stuff with kids to have them play, to be children. but that, of course, all went away when the violence erupted again. >> and you talk about children. i mean, the u.n. secretneral has described this as a war on children. of the18,700 we confirmed dead, 70% of them have been children and women. of the 1200 dead in israel on 10/7, i think 36 were children. 36 of them were children on october 7. and we know there are still 132 people that are held hostage in gaza. 80% of palestinians in gaza have been displaced of the 2 million, and 50% are estimated to be starving. if this doesn't end, you know, what is your worst case scenario for what happens? as you said, these are people who cannot leave. >> yeah, so it's something hard

to envision how it could be worse than what we're seeing now. really. and there is nowhere to go, so the second wave of essentially secondary deaths will come at the hand of hunger, starvation, and infectious diseases. we're already seeing it. we're seeing -- the hospitals are saying that as well. they see children in particular, and people present with rashes, with acute watery diarrhea, with infections that they can't treat because there are no medicines. one of our colleagues told us hospitals are actually now presented with more dead bodies than live ones which was particularly harrowing statistic, frankly. but that is what we will see. we will see a second wave of deaths because of those causes. and we really don't know what else to say other than the fighting needs to stop. >> and you talk about hospitals. at this point, how many

hospitals, if you know, are even functioning in gaza? >> last i have heard from the w.h.o. is that less than a third -- 11 of the original 36 hospitals are still, well, functioning to some extent. certainly not at full capacity. lack of fuel, the generators can't work, the incubators can't work. it's well documented, there isn't enough medicine or drugs to treat people. people are being operated on, simultaneously in the same room. we have four or five people sharing a bed, there's people on the floor. i heard a story yesterday from a colleague that a doctor was literally hit by bullets as he was at a patient's bedside. so even the ones that are operating and are able to take people in, it's really no place for the sick or wounded to be treated well. >> it is a harrowing story that is happening right before our eyes, and the world watches.

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hip-hop, the anniversary pays homage to the genre that is a uniquely american juggernaut. the fibers that weave together the beautiful tapestry of american hip-hop include incredible lyricists, none embody that brilliance more than the front man of the roots, tariq trotter, also known by black thought. ♪ all i wanted was to be more popping and to see more profit ♪ ♪ what's the detour options ♪ ♪ i feel like philip seymour hoffman less denzel washington ♪ ♪ if the right amoubts of likes and follows can make me more hollow ♪ >> i don't lie, right. while some of you may know his music, you may not be as familiar with his personal story. you can find out all about it if you pick up a copy of his new memoir, "the new york times" best selling, the up cycled self. his book details a raw,

harrowing, and hopeful journey of a philly native who overcomes personal trauma to blossom into pioneering musician inspired by the art and artistry in and around him. and tariq "black thought" trotter joins me now. congratulations, "new york times" best seller. >> thank you so much. >> yes, god is good. look, your story is -- it's really powerful. it's really painful. and what caused you to open up and tell, you know, really difficult truths about your family, about your mom, dealing with drug addiction, you being a kid, having to grow up quick in that? what made you do that? >> i feel like now, joy, you know, more than ever, the world sort of needs those stories. they need real life account of overcoming an obstacle. i think there's so much in my story along the way that i have been faced with, and i have had

to overcome. so yeah, if i'm able to give someone, you know, anything to latch on to in my story, i feel like the book has served its purpose. yeah, like now more than ever, if not now, then when? >> your story starts with a fire, and you dealt with as a young child. tell a little bit of that story. don't give everything, people need to read the book. >> i dealt with a fire as a young child at the age of 6. it was a traumatic experience with me. it was one of my earliest memories of that level of trauma. though it wasn't my first. and it was, you know, a watershed sort of milestone moment for me in my development, in that it was the end of an era. it was the loss of a certain sense of security, and of really of innocence. i was six years old. >> i'm old school. i'm an og hip-hop fan. i was in the daisy age in

college. that was just my era. at the time, in that era, it was all about lyricists. it was all about lyricists. hip-hop is less about that now. it's more about beads, it's more about the tracks. sometimes, the lyrics are not strong. and i feel like this is such an era when i wish we had a p e, you know what i mean? >> yeah, i know you're saying. >> we had that in my area. we had people who are actually speaking to what was happening in the world. >> absolutely. >> why do you think they're so little of that now? >> i don't know, i think we took it for granted. we didn't realize what we had, or the value of what we had when we had it. it was the sort of thing that -- i don't know, maybe because his pop was sort of founded in this winner takes all, larger than life mentality. maybe we felt like it was something that would always be there. >> yeah. >> you know, maybe -- also, hip-hop has expanded in such leaps and bounds, that it has become all encompassing.

hip-hop is, for all intents and purposes, philip culture. and everything in between. for maybe the same level of liver system, but there's just so many other nooks and crannies within the genre. so many sub genre's. i think they're space for everything to coexist. i don't have -- understand everything. everything is not for me. but i think back to when the roots began, when i was 18 or 19, i wasn't making from people my age now. we were in the daisy age. people were 40 and 50, listening. >> very true. i know that andre 3000 said, you put out a fluid album. i've got too much to say. i really just want to play the flute. what do you want people to learn from this book? because in this book, they're going to learn about your pain, learn about how you developed your voice, and how you became black thought. what you want them to take from that? >> i would love for people to take away -- to walk away from this book with an understanding of the

saving grace, the salvation that lies in the arts and arts education. you know what i'm saying? and really just providing, if it's not our, just anything. providing your children, your young people, with an outlet. you know what i'm saying? an opportunity to, you know, to gaze beyond the block, over the fence, outside of the hood. those little glimpses are what lit the fire within me. >> i have to talk a little politics with you, i can't have you here and not talks about politics. the white house recently invited a group of men -- blackmon to talk through some talks of black men pulling away from the democratic party. you do have a lot of hip-hop artists that are maga. some of it breaks my heart. but what do you think is happening with black men right now in this country? it feels like some of the kind of old school, big d democratic values are not speaking to them anymore. give folks some advice. >> i think people feel

underserved, under-represented, folks don't feel -- who is the voice for black men? where do we see ourselves in anything other than a negative light? you know what i mean? so i think that's a huge part of it. >> i'll tell you one place that we see black man in a light that is not negative, in the upcycled self, in this book you present a full black man and a story that is holistic, it's brilliant, and you are brilliant. >> thank you. >> one of the greatest lyricists. i got to talk to one of the greatest lyricist in the game ever in history. i love my job. tariq is not going anywhere, you know it's coming up after the break. we are going to play who won the week? with this brother right here. don't miss it. its his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano. are you replacing me? with this guy? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache! oh, look! a bibu.

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i'm ok. i'm ok. we made it to the end of another week, thank god. which means, it is time to play our favorite game, you know what it is, who won the week? with me is tariq "black thought" trotter, black thought, who won the week? >> in my opinion, i think it's a toss-up. it's the band salt, are you familiar with the band salt? it's a ul tea. it's a ban from the uk that has created much mythology and a legend around a brand. they've never -- they rarely do credits, they don't do any photos. they don't do any concerts. they did their first show in london, last night, if i'm not mistaken. and it was stellar, from all accounts. so i'm gonna say they want to

wake, just for continuing to elevate music to high art. and immersive art, and just continuing to serve as that intersection. i applaud them for just their steadfastness in their branding, not willing to compromise, and for the active miss. >> i love it, and for who won the week? me is freedom. i just have a funny video to show you all. this poll, i know, i know, don't judge me. he escaped from a slaughterhouse and he went on the run. through the tracks -- through the train tracks in new jersey. do you have him running? can you show him running? now, show him running. the areas. he literally escaped from a slaughterhouse, and earned his freedom. he has been relocated to a wonderful pastor, where he can now live a free life. >> a fugitive bowl. >> i wish i had more time to ask what the upcycled self, but for an animal, that is the upcycled self. they tariq "black thought" trr,