because our kids are better than that. they know better. they're not going to do this. they're going to be smarter, and it's not going to happen to us. >> reporter: tara's friends are in college now and think of her often. they hope, with the investigation behind them, people will remember tara not just for the way she died, but as they do. >> i want people to remember how spunky she was. >> she was a rare gem, to have as a friend, and we were lucky to have been with her. >> i want people to know that she was smart and she had a future. and she just happened to make one bad decision. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. happy saturday. and welcome to morning joe:

weekend. let's dive right into the week's top stories. the big story, of, course we have two hot wars for the president to navigate on the world stage. the republican-controlled house has voted to formally authorize its impeachment inquiry into president biden despite failing to provide any evidence of wrongdoing by the president. the vote was strictly along party lines with all 221 republicans voting yes, all 212 democrats voting no. republicans say the move will grant them the ability to better enforce their subpoenas in the courts. house oversight chair republican james comer has accused hunter biden and other biden family members of engaging in, quote, shady business practices. but as we said, has yet to reveal any evidence of wrongdoing or influence peddling by the president himself. so here is what several house

democrats said ahead of the vote. see >> the biden impeachment investigation isn't a who done it. it's a what is it? it's like an agatha christy novel where the mystery is what is the crime? >> i think if we give them enough time, he's gonna prove that hunter biden is joe biden's son. we hear today not because of any wrongdoing by president biden, but because donald trump wants revenge. we >> saw the republicans leading the impeachment inquiry, insist and they are driven by efforts to uphold the constitution. but this week some of let it slip that their true intentions are politically motivated. take a listen >>. what are you hoping to gain from an impeachment inquiry? >> all i can say is donald j trump 2024. >> can you identify any actual policy decisions that joe biden has made in response to getting paid for those policy changes?

>> we'll have to -- now be part of the investigation. >> we haven't taken me to that point where i can say that the president is guilty of anything. >> he must be really frustrated. he's dragging trump through the courts. and trump is rising and surgeon in the polls. >> you know, this other issue of whether joe biden was involved in his son's business dealing, that i think the people are mary looking at as well. i think all that together is why you see the numbers where the. rat >> this has been, i think, the most transparent political congressional investigation since i've been in congress. >> he app -- >> oh my god. >> but political since he's been in congress. i asked alex -- >> and he did not deliver. >> to give us a quid for green acres arnold the paid too attached to the end, but he refused to do it. willie. >> that's just bad producing. we love alex, but we've got to get the green acres clip in

there. yeah, i mean, they say the quiet part out loud. they've been doing that for a lot a long time. when the one congressman from texas walks binds says all i can say is trump 2024 baby. there it is. that's the whole point of this exercise. to somehow defend in some way joe biden, even though they've shown no evidence of it. and also, as democrats in the invoke the -- leading up to the vote yesterday pointed out, what the side by side with what donald trump did when he was impeached for and what those republicans have ignored or defended, it really, they've lost a high ground when they're trying to talk about impeachment and defending the constitution. but ali, we did get the vote, party line vote, the inquiry will go forward. so what happens next? where does this go? >> they continue investigating. the other quiet part out loud about all of this, and as you guys usually, do you pull the exact clips that i think are the most important about this debate. specifically, troy nehls coming

forward and saying trump 2024. house republicans have consistently used their majority and their ability to wield the gavel from the very moment that they eventually chose the speaker back in january to play sort of counter puncher and chief defender of former president trump at each turn. whether it's alvin bragg in manhattan, whether it's laetitia james, all of these various investigations into trump house republicans through judiciary or oversight or whatever committee have always sought to sort of backup trump and try to muddy the waters. so this is yet another instance of that. in terms of where it goes next, these investigations have been going on for the entirety of the year. the reason that i've been told from republicans who were involved in this, is that they want to move it forward to an impeachment inquiry so that they can officially say that they are in the inquiry phase and have a little bit more juice behind the ability to enforce their subpoenas when inevitably, it comes to defending those subpoenas in

court. fine, but i think that the question that i have yet to get an answer to, and i've been in briefings with some of these key committee chairman, is one of the high crimes and misdemeanors? and so, when congressman neguse was asking congressman russians taller in the clip that you showed at the beginning of the show, one of the high crimes and misdemeanors? and no one can actually put a fine point and what that is, a, it's because it depends which committee chairman you ask. each of them are pointing to a different piece of this. and saying that that's the high cream and misdemeanor. but be, they don't have evidence for one yet. and i think that's where this whole thing breaks down. it was surprising for me that they had full unanimous republican support yesterday to open the inquiry. my understanding was that at least one republican congressman was leaning no, at least before i got in the house floor yesterday. but now they are all marching in lockstep towards this. that breaks down when you actually try to move towards an actual impeachment, though, and i think that's where you start running into problems if your republican. >> let's be clear, there has been no evidence yet presented.

none whatsoever. this is about donald trump next year, not wanting to be the only candidate on the ballot who's been impeached. this is trying to level the playing field, this is trying to tarnish president biden's reputation. when you take republicans at their word as to what they're trying to do. white house officials i speak to, look, let's be, clear no white house wants to go through this impeachment inquiry, and certainly not in a full impeachment if we go down that road. it's a drain on resources. a drain on time. it's a drain on just when they could be doing other things. and we don't how full the presidents plague us right now, even before he really launches his reelection campaign. but what do you think? are voters going to see this and see that there is no there there and will be a backlash? could this be a political gift for this white house? or is this going to be a drag on president biden's reelection chances? >> i think you're absolutely right. there is no there there. if you go back to the original allegations when he was vice

president biden. he asked the ukrainian government to fire as chief anti-corruption prosecutor. and somehow, that was a pay for play. this is something the entire international community were asking for. including the international monetary fund, which was conditioning its aid to ukraine on it getting rid of a corrupt anti corruption prosecutor. so what biden was doing was trying to, along with everyone else, a lot of the european union, he was trying to get ukraine to become less corrupt. this is been presented as the exact opposite. whether that kind of detail he, much going to stick with some people, whether that kind of detail, you know, will come through when it's been presented so forcefully. and falsely. i guess depends on who you are and which channel you're watching. the fact that there is no there there probably doesn't bother the likes of jim jordan. i think representative mcgovern got it right when he said when

trump asked them to jump, they say how high? and they are now jumping for trump. this is his retribution. and it's a pr very cynical pr driven attempt to besmirch biden without any evidence. >> and forgive me for repeating the question that we ask all too often, but what to our european allies, what do our nato allies, what do our enemies think of the country that has a chamber, a house chamber that tells israelis to go to hell. they're not going to fund them. tells ukraine, to go to hell, they're not going to fund them. but they do have time we to move forward with a bogus impeachment inquiry that they even admit is formless. >> i think in terms of this impeachment inquiry, almost no attention will be paid to it. it seen as bogus. it's seen as a charade. there is enormous amount of

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at some of the newest polling, which is showing that some recent endorsements have done little to move the needle in iowa's upcoming republican caucuses. in the latest and bbc news

media come poll, 54% of likely caucus goers say it doesn't matter that florida governor ron desantis was recently endorsed by the states own republican governor, kim reynolds and more than 70% it doesn't matter that desantis has been backed by a key evangelical leader in the state. or that former u.n. ambassador nikki haley has the endorsement of the conservative co-political network. chris massie use, wonder what you think of that. and i'd like to add into the overall challenge for president biden's. you know. you see these poll numbers coming out and democrats get nervous, legitimately. you feel like the numbers should be farther apart. and i think also especially on the issue of abortion, when you see cases like the one in texas playing out, doesn't that spell out for busy voters who may have a lot on their plates?

and they're not tuning in right now, but is in the case like that something that makes you stop and think? >> it sure does. i've long thought that roe v. wade was not perfect, but it worked. and a lot of people said it's not quite right with my moral framework. of course that's the case. it was a compromise. but it did segment people into the three trimester's. it did protect life. and it did do something in terms of societies concern. this new thing of just everybody for himself and this crazy lieutenant governor we special prosecutor down there in texas, paxton's all over the place acting like he's god it's ridiculous. but i think what's going on, i looked at the wall street journal poll, and pretty, clearly this, weekend it's interesting. we thought who is gonna vote for trump this time that didn't vote for him last time. i heard that 1 million times within the liberal bubble. oh no, they'll never -- well, 95% are gonna vote for

who voted for him last time. biden's 20 points below. biden is nowhere near this begged in the cake cultist attitude that the republicans have towards mega. they don't think about other candidates. they might like nikki haley and say she puts on a good show in the debates. they might like her style, her brain, but you know, they don't change. that's what's amazing. these people are not changing their finds. they are in the cult. they are with this guy and maga. there's no intellectual aspect to it. well i disagree with him on that. i don't like the way we have yesterday. what's he talking about been some sort of authoritarian for the first day. they don't think like that there for trump. that is the crazy thing about these primaries. just a month from now, they're going to have i will caucuses. so what? what's gonna happen? probably desantis will get 20% or something and maybe nikki haley get 19. what difference does it make? the other guy got him all? we >> on a, if you look at what

a lot of these candidates were banking on, which they said privately and sometimes they publicly that their legal problems for donald trump would help them, that voters would finally look at him in a courtroom and say, i just can't do it again. actually, the opposite is true as we see in the latest poll out of iowa. none of the conventional things that you see matter in politics apply to donald trump. that is to say, governor reynolds of iowa, our evangelical groups endorsing other candidates. it does not matter. the rules have changed. what we know is that a lot of the factors that would've been huge. endorsement of the sitting governor of the state, as you say, that would've been huge, but i think that the reality here is for donald trump it's not just that he winds, it's gonna be the question of the margin he winds by. and i think the expectations been set up that he's gonna win by such a significant margin. now, if he doesn't, then it becomes an interesting question. let's say he wins by eight points and not 20. if he wins by 20, it is what it is. if he wins by a smaller margin, then it becomes potentially

more interesting as we set up towards new hampshire. we set up towards south carolina. i'm not gonna say is gonna change the outcome. but it changes that identical little bit in a way that people don't expect. >> you mention integration in the economy, in the question that the white house ask itself is looking at just the data, looking at the numbers of unemployment being low, gdp is up. gas prices are coming down. inflations taken down a little bit. why people feel the way they do about this economy. >> yeah, it's a vaccine problem. i think for the white house, because the economic measures do suggest in economy that on many many measures is doing well. i think it's how people feel about the economy. one thing to point out is that there are more americans who are working multiple jobs. and what that tells us that a lot of americans are having to work very hard to make it work. inflation has tamed. there's no question about that. but the problem is that the five dollar loaf of bread is not going back to $4 and $3. the fact that it's 502 as opposed to 5:10, the challenge

is how do you message around that? well, it's better than it was, but the reality is for many americans, it's a very difficult daily economic condition, even if the labor market numbers are good, the growth numbers are good, we're seeing a lot of suggestions that the economy is. we're gonna have the soft landing people have talked about. but the challenge is, how do people feel? and i think people feel economically a little bit of anxiety still. >> kathy, lanny just pointed out in obvious fact. it's how people feel about the economy. and yet, this also a subplot there. how people feel about the country itself. and i think a lot of people feel that the united states, a lot of americans feel of the country is just so dysfunctional right now that they can't get a handle on where do we go next. and by next, by their future, i mean a month from now, six months from now, not down the road. and i'm wondering what the feeling is, is there a similar

feeling about the united states now in vela pain european thought about the united states? >> i think that's been there for a while, honestly, mike. the feeling that you can't quite trust america, and people were looking to the next election and the conversation here. i went through a few years what people didn't ask me every time i came to europe, what about donald trump? and it was kind of nice to talk about something else. but i'm back here now and the first conversation that everybody has, the first question i masked, is is donald trump going to be reelected? and that's kind of casual day-to-day conversation, but those are also the conversations that are being asked in governments all around europe, and i honestly don't have an answer as to how they would deal with that. everybody expects that america will pull out of nato, that funding for ukraine would stop, that russia would win in ukraine and potentially take over ukraine and other countries as well. couldn't feel vulnerable. and there's an awful lot of uncertainty around the political instability in

america, every time the debt ceiling is broached. but there isn't really another game in town, still. we the people look to china, and they don't necessarily want china to be the world's only superpower. so i think it's a feeling that they would like america to be more functional, to work better as a government, to be more reliable as a partner and an ally, but they know that they can't count on that at the moment. >> chris matthews, me i'm sure it's naivete on my part, but if trump wins the primary by a wide margin, is there going to be any regret among the primary opponents for not philly going after him except for chris christie? there is so much material, and do you think of john mccain at that moment with that voter when he said no, he's a good man god, when they were trying to say something incorrect. a great moment free. and there's so many opportunities for that moment,

but i guess the primary voters can handle that moment. >> it's a great question. i think in the short run, no. i looked at the candidates and how they're standing in the latest wall street journal poll this weekend. and all the three candidates on that stage, the most recent debate, and all the debates, and now be ron desantis and nikki haley and vivek ramaswamy. all three of them have laid down, if you will, for trump. they are all ahead of chris christie. all three of them are ahead of chris christie. so not only does trump get a 50%, roughly, in the vote. but he gets another 40% or 45% of those who lay down for him. so he's running about 95%, really. they're fright of him. even now, ron desantis is thinking about 28. we all know you think about 28. he can't be think about 24. he's thinking about 28. where you're gonna be? he wants to run against gavin newsom maybe. i don't know what he's thinking about, but he wants to stay alive down in florida. and he's afraid of trump. it's amazing how scared cats

they are. do you see kids expression. they're scared cats of this guy. and they only one is chris christie, who i love what he does because i love having someone tell the truth. because that's refreshing for a few minutes every night for a two hour debate. and i like him. and i think chris christie would've been a great reagan democrat back in the 80s. he would've been a great reagan republican. he's a classic kind of guy i grew up with. my dad hung out with. he's a good guy. but he's not with this crowd. this crowd is strange. he may pull out of the race to help nikki, but i'll tell you, he seems like a good guy to be president. and the others look like they don't have the guts to be president, really. even nikki is not showing the guts that she has to show for the future. and she has a future. i don't think. >> all right, former msnbc host chris matthews and former chief policy adviser for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign lonnie cheng. thank you both very much for

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asked the supreme court to step in immediately to decide whether former president trump has immunity from prosecution for his actions and trying to overturn the 2020 election results. in a filing with the high court smith, stated it is quote, have imperative public importance. for the court to decide the questions of trump trial can move forward as scheduled in march. under the timeline proposed by smith, the court could hear arguments and issue a ruling in a matter of weeks if it does in fact decide to step in. in a brief order just hours after smith's filing, the court as trump's legal team to respond by december 20th. trump campaign issued a

statement accusing smith of attempting to interfere in the 2024 election. joining us now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade and state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave ehrenberg. good morning to you both. barbara, i'll start with you. what do you read into this request from jack smith? is he trying to sort of short-circuit the argument that might come from the trump defense team here? >> yes, this is a really interesting strategy. i have to say i didn't see it coming, but it is a really shrewd move on the part of jacks mitt. he's trying to leapfrog the court of appeals, because if this case were to play out in the normal course, there could be a delay of many months which would jeopardize that march 4th trial date. and so, what jack smith is essentially saying here is we all know that this is a kind of question that's going to the supreme court anyway. so there's no need to waste our time going to the court of appeals. it's a rare move, really, but it's not unprecedented. it's happened 49 times in the last hundred years, and it's happened 25 times in the past

five years. usually, it's four cases with some urgency like covid cases or gerrymandering cases, but it's also been used for student loans. so in times of the essence, this is a move that makes a lot of sense. >> so dave, it's not unprecedented. it seems certainly time is an issue here, but what's your read on the request, but also, how do you think the supreme court will rule? >> it's a positive development yesterday when the court granted the expedited review of the request, so that tells me that they're in line with thinking that this is the special urgent consideration. they know the stakes here. and jack smith was right to go to the supreme court. the district court of appeal and the district of columbia court of appeal, they took their time taking weeks to determine the gag order issue. if they took weeks on that, can you imagine how long they take on? this and donald trump is now complaining that jack smith's going to the supreme court. you would think he would want that to determine whether or not he has presidential unity. but that's because it was never about immunity. it was always about delays. so we should also know that of course, the supreme court had

moved against trump during the 2020 election cases. except for clarence thomas. we know of course that is why, has been outed as probably involved in efforts to overturn an election. they'll be calls for clarence thomas to recuse himself. do you see any center when that will happen? >> clarence thomas has no shame. he's got down the court, he's gonna help decide these issues. but he's one of nine, and it's been shown that even the justices that donald trump appointed, the three justices of that nine, have ruled consistently against him on issues like his taxes for example, issues about document production, so i think in the end, the supreme court will do the right thing here. i know they make me look like a pollyanna, but i think they understand the moment wherein. >> sober, the thinking with all these cases against donald trump is the one we're talking about, that everything around the 2020 election, january six, the federal case is the one that probably could go forward before the election. is there anything you've seen lately, anything with this request here that tells you

that it too could be pushed down the road a bit? >> it is possible if the court were to deny this request. that would mean that the court of appeals has to hear it, and as we just, heard that could take many months. so that would be one thing that could happen. there are also all kinds of things that could happen, willie. a case takes on a life of its own and get sort of organic. there are other emotions yet to be filed. donald trump has filed motions for selective prosecution and vindictive prosecution. again i don't think those are going anywhere. there's a double jeopardy case that has already been ruled upon by the district course. that one could go on appeal. so there are number things that could throw slow down a case, but one thing that does seem certain, jack smith seems very focused on keeping this on track. and so far, the district court judge tanya chutkan seems to be moving with appropriate speed to make sure that data sticks as well. so i would say that it looks good, but it's never a certainty. >> reporter: after the break, a

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home the more than 130 people still being held hostage in gaza. but the biden administration has limited hope there will be another pause in fighting. one official tells nbc news there has been zero progress on that front. but another source says there is a chance that could change if all parties return to serious negotiations. joining us now, rachel goldberg. her 23-year-old israeli american son hersh goldberg was abducted by hamas terrorists on october 7th while attending the super nova music festival. rachel, just addressed at the united nations in geneva tomorrow 75 years since the declaration of human rights. rachel, thank you for joining us. i guess we'll begin with where you are. tell us what you told the group there. >> well, first, i sat in on the

session that was a two hour and 45 minute session which, was very interesting to hear different countries views. and then, i spoke afterwards really talking about, first of all, the hostage situation that is, our time is completely running out. we have 138 hostages still being held from various nations around the world, five different religions we. a lot of different ages and were extremely concerned we. >> reporter: yeah, tell us if there has been any word on the status of your son, any information coming your way? >> there's been no word on any of the hostages in 67 days, except for the ones who were released when, you know, we know, thankfully, their home

and most of them are recovering nicely. but the ones that remain there, there is no information. there is no international aid organization that can go in and give us any word about our loved ones we. >> reporter: and how are you feeling about handling of this by the israeli government? everything from response time to their attempts to try and get these hostages and bring them home. do you think everything that can possibly be done is been done? >> look, i'm not a politician, and i'm not a military strategist. i'm a mother. and i want my only son home. and i think that we can be creative. we did it two weeks ago. we created a situation that made it so that humanitarian aid got in and hostages got out. i would love to see something like that happen again, because we know from what we're hearing from the hostages who were released that the hostages who

were still there who were in really dire situations. and time is just simply running out. >> rachel, it's great to have you back on the show, and we commend you again for being such a clear voice on this and a strong advocate not just for her spot for all of the hostages still being held there. i can't imagine what you're going through privately to go out publicly and do this in the way you have. i guess the question for me is, what gives you now two months on, what gives you hope when you wake up in the morning? just a hope of senior sun again, i imagine? but are you hearing anything, feeling anything that keeps you hopeful? >> you know, it's interesting you ask. that i just mention that last week, advent started for our christian neighbors. and the first week of advent, the theme is hope. and the second week of advent, which just started on sunday night, the theme is peace. and we also have the holiday of hanukkah right now, which has a real theme of finding light in

darkness. and we are desperately trying to find any light, any hope, any signs of peace, and he signs on the horizon of something that can make this a true miraculous season. we're terribly concerned about everyone who's there. and we'll do pray a lot. we surround ourselves with very strong support of people. but it's painful and horrible. anyone can picture it, and if you have a mother you can picture what it must feel like. it's really hard, i think, for all of us to let us imagine what you're going through. over 23 goals on myself, and it's something in my brain is stopping me from thinking about it. you've mentioned before that there need to be mothers in the negotiations, and there aren't any. what do you think could change if your voice was being heard in those corridors of power where this is being discussed? >> you, now it's interesting

you asked that, because just to sum up the last session that was in the united nations, session that i finished, the vice president of columbia just spoke about more women and mothers need to be involved because in her words, she was saying the maternal instinct would deal with these issues differently than they've been handled before. and i've echoed similar sentiments and others have as well. i just think you know, we have a different way of looking at the world. and i think when you have more voices and different textures and different colors and different flavors of voices coming into a discussion, different creative insights come out. easy >> rachael goldberg, of course, the number 67 that you're wearing on your sweater is marking the number of days that her son and 129 others are still being held in captivity.

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film entitled 20 days in mariupol offers the first person account as russia began its war on ukraine. it exposes the atrocities committed by the kremlin. the story is told through this perspective of ukrainian associated press video journalist and was there on the ground with his team when the russian bombs began to fall. >> the war has begun, and we

have to tell it's the story. >> this is painful to watch. but it must be played for people to watch. >> reporter: joining us now in studio the films director, producer, and cinematographer pulitzer prize-winning ukrainian journalist -- thank you for being here. it is gut wrenching to watch your film from the united states. i cannot imagine what it would be like to be there with cameron your hands. at the scene a little bit for audience, if you would, about these 20 days. where you were, what was happening. i >> have to say for the ukrainians and for me, this war has been going on already since

2014, so an expectation of russia's attack was there, and it just was about which day it was going to happen. and mariupol was a significant target for russia, tactical, symbolic, and we were sure they were going to be attacking it violently. and so, we went there because we thought it's going to be such an important story. and for 20 days, the siege lasted for 86 days. mariupol fell 86 days after, and now, official number is 25,000 people died. but there's likely to be much more. we've been there for 20 days. and we've seen horrible things. children dying, buildings collapsing under the russian bombs, and hospitals didn't have any medicine, any pain killers. we were just sleeping with the people in these hospitals, sharing the space and food with citizens and trying our best to

send some kind of reporting from the scene, because there was no connection. it was totally blocked not, only militarily, but also there was no information coming in and out. we >> i was gonna ask you, that how difficult it was to get information out of mariupol. to tell the story that the world needed to hear, that you did so well then and so in this documentary. how difficult was the reporting there? >> it was incredibly difficult. i think the fact that the city was blocked also from information perspective is part of modern warfare. people who are cut off with from the news, from knowledge of what happens to their country, their country still exists, just makes them panic, and whether society collapses. so it was incredibly important for us to get at least some information so people who are with us to tell them what is happening, and also descend what we saw out to the world, because if these were the first days of the full invasion,

these were the days when russia was sane they're targeting only military targets, no civilian suffering. everything is fine. and to show that that narrative is false, we had to sound what we filmed. but it was very difficult. you had to just hide under 80 in a small concrete stairs just to catch some connection under the bombs falling. so it was terrible. but there was always a feeling of importance, because people kept telling us, please show to the world what is happening. please show it to the world does something. and this is all going on right now. it's just different cities. this is what's happening now -- which has been destroyed. another city which is destroyed. so many other cities i could give you a list, a very long list. >> and one of the most infamous moments and tragic moments of the early stages of the war

that you document is that bombing of a maternity hospital in mariupol. the film focuses on the aftermath of that moment. take a look. we >> [speaking in a global language] [speaking in a global language] [speaking in a global language] >> reporter: so you are from eastern ukraine. >> right i'm from kharkiv, which is kind of a similar culture to mariupol. >> these are your people, this is your country.

you were talking earlier about the punishment that ukraine is undergoing on a daily basis, that the world sees. and you are also saying that you think the punishment is so severe, and ukraine, with its proud history, sometimes tragic history, has in a way, i think he said, become more proud, more strong, more united than it has ever been in a sense. is that true? >> i guess there is much better way to get the truth to people in the war, but this war is the best in ukrainian -- something that surprised even ukrainians. unity and to the sense of community, so this ability to resist, this ability to know that you can actually change something and to stand for your country was extraordinary. that feeling is, until now, didn't go away.

it actually became stronger. and strangely, less help there is, so the more dire the situation is, the stronger the feeling of the community and the wish to go on and to keep fighting. >> reporter: we've been talking a lot this morning. president zelenskyy's in washington making the case for more funding for ukraine, and i think we all agree, it's hard to understand why the united states wouldn't provide more funding. as someone who just captured the horror of the early days, who has lived this, what should people know about why this funding is so important and why, you know, supporting ukraine in their fight against russia's aggression is important at this moment? >> i am finalizing narratives -- the false narrative russia uses in europe and the u.s. as well, and part of that narrative is if you stop giving weapons to ukraine, that's going to stop the war. and russia really pushes hard that narrative. but in fact, what it doesn't account for is that ukrainians

will keep fighting anyway. they know what happened in 2014 and 2015, when they let russia to the next part of ukraine. they just gave russia space and time to prepare for another attack. and therefore, ukrainians will just not stop fighting, because everyone lost someone in mariupol and other cities, and every family has a soldier on the front line and it's just impossible to comprehend how you could just let russia get another part of the country, and just prepare for another attack. it's just how to imagine if russia would take san francisco, destroy l.a., and isn't, people would say to u.s., just forget about it. let them have it so there will be peace. that's how hard it is for

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let's take a look at this week's top stories. israel continues tobomb parts of southern in northern gaza, and at the biden administration urging and even stronger terms israel to end its large scale ground campaign. at least the white house says it wants israel to transition to a lower intensity operation in gaza, believing they can save civilian lives. national security adviser jake sullivan relaying that message to prime minister benjamin netanyahu and otrs israeli leaders yesterday, suggesting they adopt more surgical tactics like sending commandoes to kill hamas leaders into rescue hostages. according to new york times, officials say the white house wants to see that change in around three weeks or soon thereafter. but israel appears determined to pursue its current military operation, telling the biden administration that the war with hamas will last several months. president biden was asked about america's plan, it's lydia for israel yesterday. >> i want them to be focused on how to save civilian lives, and

not stop going off there -- >> the push for a new phase of the war comes as a u.s. intelligence assessment has found almost half of munitions israel has used in gaza since the war began, are unguided, known colloquially as dumb bombs. that is according to two sources familiar with the matter. dumb bombs are not as accurate of course. that helps to explain the wars huge death toll. so david ignatius, you are just back from israel. what is your sense of how israelis are feeling about this war and how they're feeling about benjamin netanyahu's prosecution of the war? >> so, really after be honest, i spent all my time in the west bank. i wanted to take a look at what palestinians are experiencing, what life is like for them, and most important, whether president biden -- people around the world have front moving towards a palestinian state given the level of settlement activity in

settler violence and the west bank, and you get a lot of close-up reporting on that, and it was moving to see the experience the palestinians in the west bank. i don't think it's about to explode in other gaza like war, and there's no question that jake sullivan went to war in the netanyahu government, and we are nearing a point where u.s. and israeli interests don't coincide. we think that there is a time coming when this war has to be fought on more limited in the care -- careful basis. far fewer civilian casualties. i think that the real split is going to come on these day after issues. the biden admin is convinced that the answers to work with saudi arabia, other gulf states, jordan, egypt towards a real palestinian state with real power using the palestinian authority that is now in the west bank and moving its people

into gaza. that is something that bbb netanyahu strongly opposes, and i think that what we are heading for, to be honest, is a u.s. offer that this government cannot accept, which will lead into elections and perhaps a successor to netanyahu. that is where we are heading, but it will take a while. le yeah, david, we don't understand. in america, we don't understand how a guy who's government had warning, had the attack plans from hamas for a year, and did nothing about it had repeatedly seen warnings about it leading up to it, did nothing about it. had his people and qatar who asked the month before the attacks, and qatar asked, do you want to keep funding hamas

to the tune of billions of dollars? billions of dollars to the years at israel's urging, and then after the attacks, sat back and did nothing for the most part for six, seven, eight, nine, ten hours. we don't understand how israelis come on and say, well yes, yes or that is bad, but we have to fight this war first. it's like saying you're letting neville chamberlain take you through world war ii, except worse. it's certainly an imperfect analogy. i think neville chamberlain wouldn't fight a much more effective battle than even benjamin netanyahu is done. but the question is, how do you have somebody who filled on every front, knowing the attack was coming, continuing to fund hamas through qatar, and then not acting for, six, seven,

8:10 hours to protect israelis being sexually assaulted, beat, slaughtered, killed, kidnapped. how does that guy stay in power? how did the israelis say, no, we don't trust him at all, but let's let him finish the war. >> well joe, i think first, many of the things that you said are sharply critical of netanyahu and i hear from israelis in tel aviv and jerusalem, there is a sense of really catastrophic mistakes haven't been made. b.b. polarize the country in the year before hamas invasion, and everybody in the arab world can see it, israel was more sharply divided than i have ever seen it in four years of covering the place because netanyahu's unrelenting campaign supporting his right-wing backers who wanted radical changes in the israeli judiciary, and that did weaken

israel. so i think it is a question of when, not, if about bb leaving. there is a view in israel that you need to fight on through the middle of a war is not a time to change leaders. there is no abroad or cabinet that includes benny gantz, who would run against bibi if there was an election tomorrow, and other people who have been critical of him. >> but david, we have found and we have seen from members of the trump administration as well as members of the biden administration. benjamin netanyahu is not an effective leader, but for the united states, netanyahu's government would fall, israel would be in severe highest rates. at what point does the united states that the israelis know, we are standing behind you, but

we are not going to -- you don't get a blank check for a guy who sat back and have the attack plans it is government for a year, continued the funding of hamas to qatar, and did nothing the day that israeli women were being sexually assaulted and babies were being shot and burned and grandmothers were being killed. at what stage to the biden administration say? that i know american taxpayers don't defunding a war that this guy is running. when he's not only damaging our reputation across the globe, he's damaging israel's reputation across the globe, and he cannot be trusted. >> joe, two points. obviously, we never want to blame bibi netanyahu or any other israeli for sexually assaulting israeli women -- >> i was talking about because they didn't do anything well that was happening for five, six, seven, eight, 9:10 hours.

>> there is a long to play. he is going to pay for politically -- i think we are now in the season where the united states is trying to develop a position for the day after looks like that is clearly enough to sign and it contains an offer that this government -- people care more about the west bank settlements and they do about gaza. that's how they got into this situation. there were members of these government who were relentless and that concern, and the u.s. i think is going to say that the way forward requires you're accepting a palestinian state and you are accepting rule for the palestinian authority, which you hate, and it's gonna be such a forceful presentation that this government i don't think can except it. so there will be elections, and we will see whether israel is prepared to create a government that can actually move forward.

this is going to be hard. i spent three days looking at the settlements. do you know, joe, they are 700,000 israelis were living in the west bank. 700,000. so when we talk about a palestinian state, you have to think, how are some of those settlers going to be made to leave the country? what government is prepared to make them do that? there's the issues that i hope president biden, jake sullivan, secretary blinken i thinking about now, because those are the ones just over the next hill that they are going to have to deal with. >> and again, willie, netanyahu was known cynically over the last ten years, as he's done everything to stand in the way of a two-state solution. that is why he's focused on the west bank. but more illegal settlements he can put up in the west bank, less likely it is that they are going to be able to get out and have a two state solution. so again, we're not blaming benjamin netanyahu for the terrorist acts. we're saying that those terrorists that committed those acts were absolutely,

absolutely disgusting war criminals. hamas needs to be rooted up, it needs to be destroyed, and those people that did that need to be brought to justice. they need to be treated as harshly as possible. we can hold that belief in the sand, and also in the sand, say that we want to do what is best for israel, what is safest for israel, and even the israelis understand, benjamin netanyahu 's path forward is a dead and. he has been focusing on the west bank, focus on the west bank so much that he had billions of dollars siphoned to hamas through the years through qatar. so that he could focus on the west bank and try to pay hamas, a terrorist group that said they wanted to kill jewish people. and that is another thing that i remember. we all know that who hamas is. we have always said, hamas's goal is to kill jewish people.

they cannot be trusted and they need to be rooted out and destroyed but benjamin netanyahu, knowing that, was still having billions of dollars siphoned to this terror group to qatar so that he could focus on causing problems in the west bank. still ahead, house republicans approve the impeachment inquiry into president biden without much evidence. we will speak with house minority leader hakeem jeffries, who says that this is all just a political hit job. a political hit job. when people switch their dog's food from kibble to the farmer's dog, they often say that it feels like magic. but there's no magic involved. (dog bark) it's simply fresh meat and vegetables, with all the nutrients dogs need— instead of dried pellets. just food made for the health of dogs. delivered in packs portioned for your dog. it's amazing what real food can do. joining us, now house

minority leader democratic congressman hakeem jeffries of new york. congressman, thanks for being with us. you spoke very strongly yesterday on the floor of the house against what you called a fraudulent impeachment inquiry into president biden. what do you make of the spectacle that you saw from republicans yesterday? >> it was very unfortunate

abuse of the solemn and serious impeachment authority that we have in the house of representatives. there is no evidence that president biden committed a crime. there's no evidence that president biden committed a impeachable offense. there's no evidence that president biden engaged in any wrongdoing. effectively what we saw is that the extreme maga republicans in the house were ordered by an organized crime boss, the twice impeached former president of the united states, who has been a living, breathing, one person crime wave, he basically ordered the extreme maga republicans to launch this illegitimate impeachment inquiry as a political hit on president joe biden to try to undermine president biden's ability to be reelected. >> congressman jeffries, one of the two participants in the press conference that the republicans had yesterday was the chairman of the house judiciary committee, jim jordan

of ohio. has he ever paid a price for ignoring a congressional subpoena? if not, why not? >> it's a great question. he has not, and this speaks to sort of the approach that house republicans have taken during the trump years. facts don't matter, hypocrisy is not a constraint to their behavior, and many of them believe that -- a superpower. so it is an approach that totally holds themselves to one standard of non compliance with the law, with customs, with norms, with the constitution, but tries to hold everyone else to a different standard. we will expose that hypocrisy to the american people, but the bigger challenge is that house republicans have spent this entire year doing nothing. nothing on the economy, nothing on affordability, nothing on inflation, nothing to deal with the gun violence epidemic that

continues to ravage this country, nothing on public safety. instead, they're going after reproductive freedom, going after the progress that has been made on the biden administration and failing to address the interest of the american people. >> leader jeffries, what house republicans yesterday were focused on this impeachment inquiry and the probe into hunter biden, what they were not doing was working on the israel ukraine and border security package. i know lawmakers are getting set to head home for the holidays. can you give us any sort of update as to where things stand? is there any chance, any chance at all that a deal could be done by years and? >> but we absolutely need to make sure that we fund our national security priorities with respect to israel, ukraine, the indo-pacific as well as address, in a bipartisan way, some of the challenges that we have been experiencing at the border. what we see i believe is that the pro putin caucus within the

house republican conference, which on the inside is led by marjorie taylor greene and jim jordan, and on the outside, it's led by donald trump and tucker carlson, actually wants putin and russia to prevail. they do not want to see us succeed in ukraine, because the facts are clear. 50% of the territory that was initially captured by russia has been recaptured by ukraine. 300,000 casualties have been inflicted by the brave ukrainians on the russian invaders. that is north of half of the russian military being wiped out. this is in extraordinary strategic success that is in the national security interests of the united states, of our allies in europe, and certainly of nato. we cannot allow that the success to be removed. so there's no rational reason

why the republicans are refusing to fund the ukrainian war effort other than, at this point, taking orders from the pro putin caucus. >> when congress comes back in january, you're going to be very quickly facing a deadline on government funding, possibly facing another government shutdown. when you lay out for us what those first few weeks of congress are going to look like and what you see the role for the democrats in trying to find an agreement on the budget, keep the government operating? it's often fall on democrats shoulders to be there for those key votes. how do you see this next few weeks playing out? >> well as you have pointed out, from the very beginning of this congress, house democrats have made clear that we are going to continue to put people over politics and to find bipartisan common ground on any issue whenever and wherever possible, and we've done that repeatedly as it relates to avoiding a catastrophic default on our debt.

it was democrats who provide the vote necessary to protect the full faith and credit of the united states of america and avoid the economy from crashing. it certainly has been democrats providing the votes necessary to keep the government open not once but twice, and we are already willing and able to do that, but we need partners on the other side of the aisle, and our concern the house republicans actually want to shut the government down. it's in their dna. they've done it multiple times, and it will be bad for the american people. we're prepared to do everything possible to stop that from happening. up next, we will be discussing the staggering losses the russian army has suffered in ukraine. and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. get back to better breathing. ask your doctor about fasenra.

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numbers. if i had started the war as a russian general, and it probably need to stipulate that there's nothing at most like better than criticizing generals, but if i had started the war as the supreme russian commander, i think right about now i would be a corporal in the russian army. it has been a disastrous of leadership, general ship, military operations, logistics. and to that butchers bill that joe laid out a moment ago, don't forget, probably 500,000 young russian males of draft age have not left russia. so you can add that to your casualty list, and i bet most of those aren't coming back, and news flash, those are the internet savvy ones, the smart ones, the ones that had some resources to get away from what vladimir putin is creating. now in the midst of this, let's face it, good news for

zelenskyy. i just strike one cautionary note. russia is reaching out to north korea, they are reaching out to iran to replenish these military stocks. they do have a population that is triple that of ukraine. there is still manpower, as you point out, increasingly depressed capabilities coming out of presents. but i tell you what, i do not like the russian hand of carts militarily here. i think where this leads us is the probability of a static set of military minds between these two sides i think is rising at this point rather than falling. >> yeah, agreed, agreed, which again suggests that at some point they need to be negotiations to bring this war to a and, and i think it would help zelenskyy and would help the ukrainians to send that message to lawmakers on both

sides of the aisle. we will not keep fighting this war for three or four years. we understand that if this looks like world war i, we are going to have to go to the negotiating table, because this is not a forever war, as we are finding, but richard, we should look at the republicans holding support for israel, support for the ukrainian soldiers hostage. and we should look at that through the lens of what donald trump did to zelenskyy. he told zelenskyy, i am not going to send you any defensive weapons until you get dirt on my political rivals. and so they're impacting, trump is impacting u.s. foreign policy for his own purposes. you have these republicans who claim that they want to support israel, claim they want to support ukraine, but they are holding it hostage for border security. here is the rub.

biden has let them know, he wants the deal. he is going to get tougher on border security, he will meet them more than halfway, and the republican response? we are not going to do a deal. we are going to make it impossible for joe biden to get a deal done by the end of the year. all for just naked political reasons and they're willing to leave israel and ukraine hanging out there. >> if that's the case, joe, it's bad for border security, it's bad for america's reputation in the world, bad for american security. i was with j.d. vance today, we were speaking at the wall street journal ceo conference in washington, and when he spoke about ukraine, his whole emphasis was about what i would call it kind of a isolationists thing. we have to be doing more at home, not abroad. i have to speak for the people ohio sort of thing. secondly, it was the familiar stuff of bashing the allies. they're not doing enough.

what i think ukraine also -- yesterday's new york times, i think they have a much more compelling story. if they focus on survival and maintaining what they've got. i think that the idea, that you would like to see going to them, the idea that they could roll back the russians and regain them in the other 20% of the country that is frightfully there i think is a real long shot. and russia's putting out a lot of -- russia by the white produce incomparably more stuff militarily than we know cam, which is another conversation about what happened to her manufacturing base. but let's put that aside. i think ukraine has a much stronger story if they basically say, we need this help to keep what we've got to survive. we can talk about new relations with nato, new relations with the european union, but i think it's going to be harder and harder to make the argument that if you give aid to ukraine, they will be successful and liberating the rest of their

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forecasters on and off the committee are seeing. this result is not guaranteed. it is far too early to declare victory. >> some optimism there from federal reserve chair jerome powell as he spoke yesterday. his comments, as we mentioned, helped us in the stock market to record highs, clearing 37,000 as it closed. joining us now, former treasury official morning show economic analyst steve rattner. steve, good morning. good to see you back on your post at the southwestern wall. >> we are excited to be back at the southwestern wall. >> let's start with your first charge. that low englishman and the rain projections, what it might do next year. >> so consistent with what chairman powell said yesterday. the fed has to change the numbers of its projections. this is actually one of the most consequential things i can remember in which the fed did nothing in the sense of not changing rates, but they did a lot of other stuff. so let's start by talking about what is happening with inflation, and this is of course what underlines all of these readings, all of the feds

numbers to slow down the economy. what is very dramatic is how they change their inflation expectation just in three months. if you go back to the september protection, which is this blue line here, the fed thought that inflation issues were going to 3.3%. and three months, it has taken it down to 2.8%. that is a major change, and it has lowered its inflation projections along the rest of the curve and the next several years. so that is what leads the fed to have changes that quotations about interest rates, and again, if you go back to september this blue line is what you thought was going to happen interest rates. this is what the fed now thinks is going to happen with interest rates. three interest rate reductions of a quarter of a point each this year, and then interest rates continue below the previously thought and getting all the way down to 3%. one other thing to note here is that the credit markets, which have their own view of life in their own view of the economy,

actually think interest rates are going to come down even faster. they think they're gonna come down by one and a quarter percent over the next year. so very bullish outlook from the market, and a positive outlook from the fed. >> so steve, is it fair to say that we don't put up the mission accomplished banner here yet, but that the fed achieved its goal with these rate hikes that sometimes frustrated people as they continue to go up and did the job they were intended to do, which is detain and latium? >> it's really quite extraordinary. this may well be the first time that we've had inflation of this magnitude and cut it out of the system without a recession. what the market likes to call immaculate disinflation. it will be really quite an accomplishment if this actually occurs. >> let's see if it occurs. we can move here next chart and suggests a soft landing. let's remind our viewers what that means exactly, and if you think that is going to happen. >> soft landing is another word for immaculate disinflation. it means basically getting

inflation back down to the feds 2% target without having a recession. again, something they would almost be without president in recent american economic history anyway. let's take a look at what the fed, how the fed is saying. that the fed is basically saying that we will have continued economic growth. this is real gdp growth year by year going back to 2016. obviously, we had a hit during covid. we had strong 20 1:22, and again, 23. if you look at the feds protection from one year ago, this 2.6 number for this year's growth rate would be 0.5%. they thought the economy was going to really slow down and it didn't. and as you look, out there projecting smaller but positive increases, meaning no recession in the forecast at the moment. the so-called soft landing. that has very significant implications for unemployment. >> unemployment of course is down near historic low, 3.8%. they do you think it turns up a little bit, 4.1%.

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issues that will drive the 2024 campaign in florida. among nine states where abortion protections could be on the ballot next year in the form of a constitutional amendment. nbc news correspondent morgan radford joins us with a look at how this fight is shaping up, and it sounds like it's not just democrats, but republicans pushing to get these on the ballot. >> you've got, it will. it's really interesting, because an issue is a constitutional amendment that would protect abortion rights

up to 24 weeks. similar measures have been successful in kansas and ohio, and it's all part of a broader effort to put abortion rights directly before voters at the state level. but in order to get this language on the ballot, supporters need to gather almost 900,000 signatures by february 1st. and although this is a popular position among democrats, as we mentioned, they say they're also getting help from across the political spectrum. thank you for signing. good afternoon. festivals, farmers markets, even the beach, volunteers here in florida are fanning out. >> i'm bringing the petition to mahjong parties, pool parties -- >> one issue on the 2024 ballot. a constitutional amendment that would bar any restrictions on abortion before viability around the 24th week of presidents pregnancy, or when necessary to protect patients health. >> i think there's any doubt that when this gets on the ballot, it will pass. >> reporter: and i hope lamar leads the for the women's freedom coalition, one of

several months movements behind the movement. a coalition that she says does not just include democrats. by her organizations, count of 1.3 million signatures they collected thus far, more than 150,000 have come from registered republicans. >> i had one woman say to me, i was in a room full of republican women when we heard that roe v. wade was overturned, and it was like being at a funeral. they had all been through this battle before. they thought it was settled. >> are you both registered republicans? >> yes, -- >> yes. >> reporter: there are voices behind those numbers. carol whitmore was introduced to us by the foot at women's freedom coalition. >> to say that women can make this very important vision that life is atrocious. so you would be surprised and you will hear that there are a lot of republicans that support what jimmy and i do. >> reporter: her friend, jimmy carter, isn't affiliated with the organization, but assigned a petition in favor of the amendment. >> there is still a lot of people that you would not think

would be the pro choice advocates but they are, and i think it is really having control of our own bodies. government overreach is huge right now. >> what do you all think happens if the republican party as a whole doesn't see this issue the way that you do? doesn't s ee thi >> i think at the national level, they're realizing they're not going to win this battle. >> reporter: it's not just women. former state representative carlos -- and ed williamson, a prominent local businessmen, also generating time and money to the petition cause. both are registered republicans. >> why do you think it's important that you speak out on this issue? >> i expect my privacy rights to be respected by the government. i don't to be forcibly vaccinated, and for that reason, i think that a woman's right to choose is fundamental and should be defended. >> carlos is right, and of course the right to an abortion i think is one of those things that the government has no business being into. >> reporter: nationally, they're not alone. recent gala polls show just 24%

of republicans believe that abortion should be legal in all cases, but in a state where republican governor ron desantis won reelection by nearly 20 percentage points then signed legislation that would ban most abortion after six weeks, political experts we spoke to said that the measure is not guaranteed. >> you will get substantial support across party lines for this kind of amendment. we've seen in a state that are more republican than florida's. the big caveat though especially here in florida is that the threshold for constitutional moment in florida is 60%, and that is a difficult threshold on any issue, let alone one that can be as divisive as the abortion issue. >> this is something that a lot of people don't talk about, but they know how they are going to vote. when you get behind that movement, do your thing, we are going to speak up for ourselves. >> reporter: we reached out to the republican party of florida multiple times via phone and via email, and they've yet to respond to our request for comment. the states republican attorney general ashley moody has filed

a brief with the state supreme court urging him to keep the question from appearing on the ballot. now regardless of how many teachers are in fact collected, and as for that six-week abortion ban, it is still on hold spending -- pending a state supreme court decision on florida's current 15-week ban, which went into effect in 2022. but no matter the outcome, if this ballot measure to pass in 2024, both laws would be automatically invalidated. >> and coming up on morning joe. >> what happened? >> two divorces, third is eminent. i realized a long time ago it wasn't for me. i'm not going to be married. >> that sounds to me like a cop out. >> actor jason isaacs is live in studio for his new limited series, archie. we will ask him what it was like playing the role of iconic

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name. archie -- does not cover it. anything come to mind? >> cary grant. >> isn't that beautiful name. >> the name of the father, the son, and the holy weekend box office. >> cary grant is a character. he has to be very careful about how he is perceived.

>> this is the dreamiest guy in the world we're talking about. >> -- >> probably. >> i walked into that one. >> thank, you new york. >> i'm going to stay here and i am going to be a star. >> english. >> that's what my life wondering who i was supposed to be. >> you ll we are all fakes in this town, my dear, aren't we, cary? >> that was a look at the trailer for the new four part series entitled archie available to stream through brick box. the scripted series explores how the british born actor became cary grant. the biggest movie star in the golden age of hollywood. the drama is partly based on a memoir of grants fourth wife, diane -- and the couple's daughter jennifer -- jennifer grant is one of the executive producers. joining us now is the star of archie, actor jason isaac's.

it's good to have you on the show. >> thanks, it is an odd show -- subjects of enormous profundity and weight, but hey, let's give people some distraction! >> i do understand that, but we also appreciate just a little joy, but i understand what you are saying. i'm curious though, i would be fascinated to know how you prepare as an actor to portray one of the greatest actors of all-time. >> well i didn't. when i heard there talking about it, i thought, what kind of up more and we'll take that? on i read that it's about archie leach, who really struggled to play cary grant himself. so there is a character he created outside of the stores, but once he shut his front door, this is a show about who he became when he dropped the mask, and that is a very complicated, very troubled, very scarred man whose childhood was so full of abuse and abandonment and felt so unlivable that he had to create this avatar to make the world love him, and when he succeeded in the whole world

loved him for 30 years, he felt even emptier and that played out in a very troubling life. out in a v so this is something that a lot of people don't know about someone who is so famous, but as you did dive into -- which is the families involved in the production, what was that like? >> they contributed, but it's a wonderful ride, he wrote it, and he got permission from both of them, and he said, look it's going to be my story. i will listen to, you but if you give me permission, it has to be my way. because who knows who how it could've turned out. >> i had no idea until researching this a little bit, cary grant had five wives. >> he had a lot of relationships. look, he was a guy -- i know those people on screen like me think of him as this unflappable ladies man who, nothing bothered him, he was extremely flap-able. he was very fragile, and instead of women pursuing him,

he pursued the people i had relationships with, and they broke his, heart and became obsessive about them. today they they will have a lot of acronyms. i will see, adhd, ptsd for sure. he was very troubled. he took lst hundreds of times with a doctor. he was born in 1904, but he took it to try to rig himself of his torment. and he was a very private man who did not give away a lot about the undercurrents of his life, but he said i drove all of my wives away, i turned into my mother, i made them project before they could abandon me. >> that's what you've seen when you watch the show. it's not like watching carrie grant in the movies, but that's the point in the show. >> but that is surprise you? you are cary grant fan? does surprise you when you found out about his personal life? >> everything was a shock to me. >> because as an actor, you know actors are not what they portray themselves to be. >> i'm -- yes, it shocked me, but you're

right. i know that none of my friends or the tough guys on screen -- incident, and so yeah, i knew he would be different. no one could be that thing. i did not realize how different, and one of the hard things, you asked how i prepared, was doing it with research, because he didn't do any interviews. there's no recorded interviews, because he did not want anybody to see who he was, how sensitive, how damaged, and i'm troubled he was. >> that's what i was about to ask you. are their friends or contemporaries or peers or is there anyone out there you could speak to who -- doing off camera? >> first of all, diane was incredibly -- she married, him she was a beautiful 26-year-old girl when she married this man in his 60s, and she was mad late wide eyed and love with him, and then things, once they got married, things turn extremely toxic and unpleasant, and she was so unguarded. i asked her some extremely personal questions, basically the most personal things you could ever imagine, and she was very candid, and it was

horrifying. i kept apologizing to her for something that happened to her 50 years ago because no young girl should be put through that. jennifer was also by the way his daughter. she saw a very different man, a loving father, and it's difficult to reconcile these two accounts. but of course my kids don't know who i am -- >> fascinating. you can watch the first two episodes of archie through britbox, which is available on major streaming platforms. jason isaacs, thank you very much for coming on the show. we do appreciate it. >> next time i will come back and tell you which you should elect and why. >> that is a tease. >> i would look forward to that. >> that does it for us, we hope you have a great weekend and we're back monday at 6 am eastern, have a great weekend. this is the katie phang show. live from miami, flor