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reporting about the missing russia binder, plus congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas on the senate republicans pushing for a border deal. we're also gonna ask her about ted cruz in the abortion question he refuses to answer. plus, hayes brown on what he calls the fact free biden impeachment inquiry. . we >> as i bet you all very good day from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome everyone to alex witt reports. when it comes to breaking news. dhs secretary mayorkas and the bipartisan group of senators or holding meetings today. they're hoping to reach a deal to unlock funds for ukraine and israel. republican leaders say a deal must include border security measures, where the surge of illegal crossings has reached

record levels. nbc's julie tsirkin is following all of those negotiations on capitol hill for us. welcome again, julie. i know you spoke to the key negotiators just moments ago, tell us what they're saying? >> alex, i told you last hour, the plan must have staff continuing to meet they actually added another meeting that will start in less than an hour with the three senators who have been negotiating this. again, that is senator james lankford, senator -- kyrsten sinema. without secretary mayorkas, and i spoke to the negotiators as you laid out there, the biggest headline from this is that langford actually told us, they need to have a framework by the end of the weekend, in order for leader schumer's plan to have the senate vote and take this up the immigration bill along with a foreign aid to ukraine. to israel, to gaza next week. the problem is, we already heard from republicans, who said no way that is the framework it'll be enough for them to vote on this bill. especially since this is such a thorny political issue. and also just practically, very

difficult for these lawmakers to solve. senator sinema, casually dressed, in high spirits all smiles. she had told us that conceptually, all sides are on the same page when it comes to what's in the deal. there are still some disagreement. of course, they're trying to make a very big changes, ones that progressives, members on the left, hispanic lawmakers, are frustrated with the white house for even being in the room on some of these issues. so, all of this really just moving minute by minute here, as we're trying to sort everything out here, alex. certainly, they are continuing to make progress. they plan to meet later this afternoon they plan to meet again tomorrow. they need that framework by the end of this weekend. legislative text is still very, very far off. >> the fact that you categorized kyrsten sinema's rhetoric as being upbeat and happy, is there a sense of optimism here that you're getting? >> there certainly is, i have to tell you, if i had $1 for every lawmaker who's in the room who said they're making

progress, they're continuing to build, it's all good, it's moving in the right direction. i would be too rich to even be standing in front of here in front of this camera talking here right now. that is really what we keep hearing i don't want to downplay the progress that they're making, at the same time, just the reality of it certainly no one's walked away yet. that is progress in and of itself. they are very far from having a hard and fast deal in this. and the timeline is just a very tight, very ambitious. >> look, don't ask those questions, i don't want you walking anywhere away from the camera. thank you very much, julie tsirkin. joining me right now, democratic congressman from texas, jasmine crockett. welcome to you, my friend. i ve so many questions for you, i'm gonna focus on this issue first. and then bring it back. latino democrats in your state or pushing back against the white house considering a revival of many trump era immigration policies, but this in exchange for aid to israel and ukraine. they're saying a reversal of asylum protections is unacceptable. how far should a compromise with republicans on board

policy go to secure ukraine and israel funding? >> yeah, alex, it's great to see you. and i'm like julie. i'm trying to get rich. i mean, because yeah, they go back and forth all the time. i do want the american people to understand that the democrats have a multitude of bills that we've proposed. of course, we've not had hearings or markups on those bills. but i do want to say, we have over 30 really big bills as relates to real immigration reform. right now, with republicans or opposing, they take a butcher knife that something that needs a scalpel. i can tell you, without any hesitation, there is a migrant crisis in this country. i can say that as a democrat. but how do we solve it is the question? and what we, know the republicans have never been able to do right on immigration policy. most of the time, when they bring about some sort of policies, it's about doing more of what they do really well. which is to be oppressive of

people they need help the most. so, the idea that we're going to tell people that are seeking asylum, or people that are trying to flee a war torn country that they cannot enter our country and basically leave them out in the cold, i think it's cool. but getting cruelty from this party is pretty much more of the same that we normally get. so, the question is, are we willing to, on one hand say that we're going to honor our obligations to our friends and our allies, in support them in their time of need? we'll also saying that we are going to tell other people that need us to be the america that we have historically been, the land of the free, the land of opportunity, tell those people absolutely not. there is no opportunities here for you. >> well, you've seen upsized it right there. how amenable do you think speaker johnson is going to be to whatever agreement the senate and white house comes up

with? one of the consequences if your colleagues in the senate go hope for the holidays without a deal. >> yeah, this is a wild card, alex. none of us know this guy. i mean, those on the republican side don't know him. i honestly would argue that many of his constituents don't know him either. i don't really know what speaker johnson will do. i will tell you this, unlike mccarthy, if speaker johnson does make a phone call to hakeem jeffries, and says that this is what i can deliver out of my caucus. this is what we've got on the table. tell me where y'all stand, thus far, he is at least been an honest broker. that's one thing that we got that we didn't have an mccarthy. but this is a guy that has been functioning within the inhe's ba movement. so, the idea that he would allow for something that actually is more so a middle

ground to come to the four, i just don't know that i see it. i think that, if it isn't maggard up to the max, he's not gonna push it forward anne. >> oh boy. congresswoman crockett, we're gonna stay with us, i want to hear from you again on the reporting about that missing russian binder mystery. and we have some thoughts to share on that. sit right where you are. in the meantime, let's go to the campaign trail today. donald trump is set to take the stage at a rally in new hampshire early on. the state will be holding the first primary next month. nbc's vaughn hillyard is waiting for that rally to get underway in durham. vaughn, look, donald trump has a strong, that's an understatement, lead in both new hampshire and iowa. where these caucuses are less than a month away. how is the former president feeling as we head into primary season? what sense do you have of that? >> yes, no reason enough feel good. frankly, his campaign, alex, is confident. they are campaigning with that

sort of confidence. made a stop here in iowa this week, they're now here for a rally in new hampshire. they'll be returning to iowa next week. what you see the likes of nikki haley, ron desantis, vivek ramaswamy, holding an event after event between these early states. donald trump is not going all out. instead, holding, essentially, one event a week in these early states. the question is, two weeks before iowa, will that change? i want you to just take a look. this gives you an idea why trump is confident here. we see this crowd here, we're still an hour to half away from this beginning here. we are in durham, new hampshire. about 20 minutes down the road from portsmouth. folks are still beginning to stream in here. polling shows that when supporters, or should i think republican voters are asked about their enthusiasm level for the respective candidates, donald trump foreign away as the most enthusiastic supporters. i want you to listen to soundbite from ron desantis, who was with him on the campaign trail yesterday. he was asked a question, come iowa next month. let's say that donald trump actually doesn't win the iowa

caucus, does he think that donald trump would accept the loss? or what he claimed to be stolen? take a listen to his answer >> i don't think there's been a single time he's ever been in competition when he didn't get, it orient accepted. i don't think i'll do that. i think he's doing that, i think that's to be expected. i don't think people are gonna buy. >> perhaps the sharpest critique from rhonda santas yet of donald trump. alex, we have seen nikki haley and ron desantis really go toe to toe with one another, we'll not critiquing donald trump overtly here. he said it, we're just four weeks away from the iowa caucus. the question is, do these two candidates in the others down the ballot, did they go in set their eyes on donald trump and try to cut into the lead. one lead that is no very substantial. in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina right now. alex? >> vaughn hillyard, many thanks for that live report, appreciate that. coming up later, the headline that could play a big role in the 2024 election. we're back in 60 seconds.

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those reports about a russia intelligence binder that went missing in the final days of the trump administration. nbc confirms, a senate intelligence committee was briefed on it two years ago. the binder contains highly classified raw intelligence, the official told nbc. i'm joined again by democratic congressman from texas, been jasmine crockett. she says on the house oversight committee. gun oversee part of the impeachment inquiry into president biden. we're gonna get to all of this, let's begin with the senate intel committee that was informed that the binder went missing after trump left office. from what you've learned, how alarming is this to you? and should the house even republicans in charge begin an inquiry on this matter? >> absolutely, alex. you know, it's just a circus in the house.

so, if we aren't going after the biden family, then there's nothing to see. and what is so frustrating to me, alex, i do believe that trump was he was an issue for our national security. as well as he was an issue as it relates to international security. so, it's not odd to anyone that this binder goes missing, we have all these classified documents that are found at mar-a-lago. and we also have conflicts that ended up -- with russia, as well as an israel. so, it is concerning, and i need people to wake up and understand, well trump may say funny things or whatever he says that is appealing to people, i need people to understand that he is a threat. he is most likely the cause of any danger that we potentially will see that ends up here in the united states because this guy doesn't take it seriously.

this is all a game, it is all a grift. he is trying to avoid his prosecutions. but at the same time, we need someone who takes the office of the presidency seriously. and will make sure that they safeguard the secrets of this country as well as those of our allies. >> i'm sure people have taken what you said very seriously right there. let's move to what the house voted to do this week, they voted at two 21 to 12, that was along party lines. to authorize an impeachment inquiry into the president. how did impeach biden go from a political slogan, essentially, to a congressional inquiry. when republicans still lack any evidence of wrongdoing. are they just hoping that something's gonna turn up if they keep on digging? >> they don't care. they don't care what happens. right now, the ignorant people that they're pandering to, they're just happy because they're doing exactly what they asked them to do. you know, it is a disgrace in

this country that you have people that have been former prosecutors, people that allegedly understand how we go about criminal investigations or criminal prosecutions, and they don't understand how we're supposed to deal with an impeachment inquiry, when you are asking those very same former prosecutors what is the crime? and they can't answer that question, that tells you everything that you need to know about this inquiry. they don't even have a crime that they're alleging. this isn't back in the day when we were dealing with president clinton, where they said this is what we know, we believe he did. they don't even know. >> i have stuff to back up exactly what you're saying here. republicans did address the intention of this inquiry this week. listen up. >> what are you hoping to gain from an impeachment inquiry? >> all i can say, is donald j trump 2024. >> can you identify any actual policy decisions that joe biden has made in response to getting

paid for those policy changes? >> well, that would be part of the investigation. >> the facts haven't taken me to that point where i can say that the president's guilty of anything. >> so, it's backing up what you were just saying. is it too simple to say that this investigation is driven by politics, or does that about coverage? >> that about covers it. definitely troy nehls, a good old texan, had to make it very plain, this is about trump 2024. and i don't think that we should have people in office that are misusing their power for the purpose of trying to put a twice impeached 91 count indicted person back into the office. if the people decide that he should be the next president of the united states, that is perfectly fine. that's what democracy looks like. but what democracy doesn't look like is people interfering and weaponizing our government simply for the purpose of politics.

that's exactly what we see them doing. >> here is something, hunter biden, as you know, defy the oversight committee subpoena to testify behind closed doors this week. saying that he would only do so publicly. instead, he delivered remarks on capitol hill. take a listen. >> i am here today to acknowledge that i made mistakes in my life. wasted opportunities, privileges i was afforded. for that, i am responsible. let me state as clearly as i can, my father was not financially involved in my business. not as a practicing lawyer, not as a board member of burisma, not in my partnership with the chinese private businessmen, not in my investments at home nor broad. >> so, here's the rub. oversight committee chairman republican james comer said that hunter is not above the law, and attends told him in contempt of congress. how do you see that going? did anything happen to

representatives mccarthy, jordan, biggs or perry when they refused to comply with the january 6th committee subpoenas, and then more brooks, said he testify, but not behind closed doors wanting to do so only in public. >> it's more of the democracy. it's plain as day. and the fact that the people that literally still have subpoenas that are outstanding are the ones that are bringing this, when we went to sit there as we were waiting next to an empty chair for hunter biden, you had jim jordan, you had perry in the room. and they were so indignant about this entire situation, i'm thinking to myself pot meat kettle. seriously, we know that these are guys that have disrupted and disrespected the process as sitting members of congress. at least hunter showed up. at least hunter said, i am here. i am willing to testify.

honestly, at least hunter has been willing to own his mistakes. that is more than i can say for any of the other people that you just named. >> let me switch gears now and ask you one more question about the supreme court ruling against kate cox, which has exemplified how far texas's antiabortion laws go. here's how your colleague, senator ted cruz responded to questions about the case to an nbc news producer this week. take a listen. >> senator, are you supportive of the texas supreme court ruling in the kate cox case that prevented from getting an abortion after she learned her fetus was not viable? >> call the press office. i called for two days, now they don't receive an answer. >> thank you. >> okay, is your republican colleague justified and deflecting questions about the decisions that the state level? or do texans deserve to hear from lawmakers on reproductive rights policy? >> you know, alex, what this reveals is that even ted cruz,

even cancun crazy cruise, knows that this is a losing battle. he knows this even out of the state of texas. to have a woman who has two children, who wanted to have this child along with maybe even one more child sit up here and begged the courts and go through the entire process, and to have the courts basically say, we don't care about your life as the life party, i think it says everything. they know that the pendulum is swinging. for ted cruz not to double down and say, absolutely right. the supreme court got it right. it tells you that he knows that they absolutely got it wrong. but he's also afraid to say that. his silence speaks volumes under the circumstance. >> okay, texas congresswoman jasmine crockett, always good to talk to you. thanks for both chats today. we'll see you again soon. thank you. >> good to see you, alex. >> thank. you more on the missing binder mystery, 16 lead investigator

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closely watching a weekend storm that is expected to impact millions from florida to maine. some buildings are boarded up in hollywood beach, florida, where the winds there have been whipping around all morning. let's go to nbc's marissa parra, who's there in hollywood. where things are expected to get a lot worse later on today. marissa, welcome to you. what are people doing to get ready? >> hey, alex. there is a lot that happening right now, i want to show you first what we can see, you can probably tell from my microphone, just how windy it is. it almost looks like i'm in a tropical storm, we're not. this is, in fact, just a severe

rain system, severe storm system moving through south florida. millions of people, i want to show you what we can see right now. i know that there is a little bit blurry right, now that rain is hitting our camera. we're gonna do our best to show you, not just the intense surf system out there, those red flags warning beachgoers not to get in the water. that is something those red flags are seeing across beaches all around south florida. the biggest risk here, guys, it's actually gonna be what we see later on. that is when we're gonna see the most intense part of the storms. the biggest risk to the people that -- that would develop very quickly. we're talking about the tornadoes, we're talking about flash flooding. so, in anticipation for the possibility of flash flooding, because remember, florida is very flat. we've seen both local and state efforts to prepare for exactly that. we know florida governor ron desantis is activating the state guard. we know that the florida division of emergency management has put in place various protections in anticipation for flash flooding. in places that are at risk.

hollywood here, i want to show you some video of what they call tiger dance. these are barriers they themselves are filled with water. in order to prevent both water and sand. from getting on to the boardwalk. getting into areas like businesses like homes. in anticipation for the flooding, we're talking about lowered canals throughout south florida. in anticipation of those storm systems getting overwhelmed with water. when we talk about the impacts of this, remember, this is supposed to be a moneymaking weekend. there's a lot of holiday events that were supposed to be happening that have now either been canceled, postponed, this is already cost a lot of areas here millions of dollars, alex. and people here just hoping this is as bad as it gets. >> i tell, you it doesn't like a mess. hard to believe it's just a super soaker of a storm. marissa, thank you so much for that report. it's not alex jones level money, but it's still a lot. two election workers ever see a nickel of that 148 million dollar judgment from the rudy

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over whether jewelry giuliani will eventually pay the massive penalty that he now owes for defaming to georgia election workers. on friday, the d.c. jury ordering giuliani to pay, listen in, this more than 100 $40 million in damages for falsely accusing shea moss and ruby freeman of election fraud.

their attorney saying, they're working to make sure giuliani is held liable for the full amount. >> we've already put the pieces in motion for that. we are intending to collect every nickel of it. we'll see how much we ultimately find, how much we ultimately recover. every enforcement measure at our fingertips will be put in play. quite simply. so, we'll look at leans, garnishment, levies, look at everything. we'll look at everything. absolutely. >> >> joining me right, now nbc's ryan riley. he's the author of the book sedition hunters, how january 6th broke the justice system. welcome to you, ryan. go through the damages that giuliani was found liable for. and how did that jury come up with that huge amount, and can giuliani appeal it? >> yes. so, you'll see it on your screen in a moment, essentially the breakdown hears of over 16

million eachon the first number, and then 24 -- emional damages, and then an additional $75,000 for punitive damages. quite a total there, as 100 $48 million. whh is a lot of money. it's something that would hit anyone heard, even someone who is extremely rich. that's something that would probably only not impact someone like jeff bezos really. this is a significant number. they're gonna go through every avenue they can. but i think that the reason that the number got that big was because of what they argued during the plaintiffs argued their closing argument here. really telling the jury of eight in this case they needed to send a message to make sure that this doesn't happen to election workers going forward. of course, rudy giuliani did himself no favors as his lawyer said himself in court this week during those closing arguments. because he continues to apparently believe in these election lies. he believes in the specific lies about these two individual

poll workers that emphasize that, again and again and again this week before the cameras even after this was returned. he made the claim that the false defamatory allegations that he made about these two women were support-able. that's just nonsense. these are not to portable claims. but he seems to still be stuck in this vortex of internet disinformation. >> we heard the attorney say that they're gonna go after every penny of it. is it clear that giuliani even has any money? >> he is being pursued by several creditors right now is what we can fairly say. i think the best comparison to look for how this might move forward in the future, the alex jones case and how that played out with the sandy hook family. they eventually settled on a settlement essentially that brought that number down something more realistic for him to be able to pay off. but i don't know, based on rudy giuliani's posture right now,

it's tough to imagine him being willing to get any sort of settlement on this. he still believes these false claims that he made or true. >> okay. ryan riley, thanks for that update. appreciate it. also new today, growing concern over a binder with raw intelligence on russian interference in the 2016 election. new reports suggest the intel went missing in the last days of the trump administration. and a new plans to use donald trump's white house cell phone data as evidence in the former presidents d.c. january six trial. this is according to a new filing from jack smith. joining me now, tim heavy, former federal prosecutor and lead investigator on the house january 6th committee. a good friend to us. welcome back, tim. as you know, liz cheney, on your committee, asked cassidy hutchinson about this intel on closed-door session. what did you learn about it? >> i can't talk about what we learned in a closed-door session. all i can say is, this is a little bit outside of our core focus on january 6th.

we did get a lot of information about mark meadows's handling of documents. including burning some in his fireplace in the white house. and some last-minute efforts to declassify certain things. given that it was closed, alex, i'm not a liberty to talk in any more detail about it. >> let me ask you this, if you can answer, when cheney raised the questions that you are privy to, was there already a sense of alarm that the intel might be missing? >> no, i think it was much more focused on process and how it was that the white house handled documents. again, we learned about things, arguably a bit beyond the core scope of jan six, provide all that information to special counsel or others. really, our focus was on where is the stuff? how were documents handled inside of the white house? that got us into areas of classification international security which, again, because it was closed, i'm not at

liberty to talk about. what i can say, there was a very lack of adherence to the presidential records act. we've got a lot of evidence about, really ignorance, or failure, affirmative failure, to comply with the legal requirement to preserve documents. things like burning them, the president himself tearing things up. throwing them in the trash. aides scrambling to grab them and piece them back together. we got some documents that actually clearly had been torn. and pasted back together. the general theme here that we developed was they really were not focused on the requirements of law. the preservation of the presidential records. >> understandable. reporting has been pretty widespread on all of that backing you up. we know that cassidy hutchinson told your committee that mark meadows wanted her to give a copy to kevin mccarthy, he told, oh i don't want that. why does he want me to have? that she said, i don't know i don't think you should have it either. and then mccarthy told her, no, i don't.

i don't want any of that. tim, which other members of congress might have had copies? how big a deal with that be? >> again, at the end, i think there was an effort to declassify certain things, including information about the russia investigation. but who received, that who is involved in the conversation abt it, what should or shouldn't remain classified, a bit beyond the scope of our inquiry. >> okay, let me also talk about cassidy hutchinson, who told your committee thatheas almost sure meadows did not leave the binder behind when the trump team left the oval office. meadows lawyers told the new york times, he never took at home or mishandle classified information. but does this just deep in the mystery, tim? >> yeah, again, it does. i believe on january 20th, on inauguration day, mark meadows was scrambling in the minutes before noon to get a binder to the justice department, who i believe has to weigh in on

declassification issues. this was a subject of some frenetic activity in the end. but who took something home, this binder or otherwise, we just never, again, a bit beyond the scope of our focus on january 6th. >> that's the fact that it stl remains missing. there's no definitive answer to where it is at this point. only theoretical. let's move to jack smith. in his unveiling plans to use trump's white house cell phone data at the d.c. january 6th trial. is that data that your committee wanted access to, tim? what do you think it's gonna tell us? >> yeah, we certainly would have wanted that. we weren't able to get it. criminal grand juries have tools that we don't have. if a congressional committee once any kind of phone data, they have to subpoena the phone company in the phone company notifies the person whose records are being sought. we did that a lot. we got a lot of litigation. lawyers for the people whose

phone records were sought filed to sue the committee to prevent the disclosure of the records. in a criminal grand jury investigation there's no such notification require, law enforcement has the ability to immediately access that. it sounds like the special counsel actually has data from the social media platform about draft tweets or things in which the little handset or handsets that were in the white house at the time. we're composing, receiving, or sending. that huge and crucial information. trying to piece together what was going on inside the oval office during the hundred 87 minutes of the riot, really really pertinent information. and to the extent of their stuff on the phones, i'm sure there is that relevant, it's gonna be one of the really interesting new pieces of evidence that comes out in this criminal trial. >> do you think it has bombshell capacity? >> no, i don't know if they're going to be any bombshell beyond the core story. the president intentionally incited this mob and was very

hesitant to do anything to stop the violence once it occurred. it could be corroborative, but for the entire consistent body of evidence from people that we have seen, and there's actual tweets that were public, that he posted during the riots, suggested, yeah, he was not in a hurry to tamp down on the violence. but to the contrary, actually appreciated the fact of the joint session was, in, fact interrupted. that's what he's charged with, conspiring to interfere with the official proceeding. it was interfered with. and his in action on january 6th suggests that he supported at outcome. >> could corroborative, as you say. here's something extraordinary the jack smith did this week. to hold trump accountable before voters go to the polls in 2024. he leap frogged the d.c. appeals court, asking the supreme court to settle the question of ether trump is entitled to immunity from prosecution in the january 6th d.c. trial. at the same time, he got the d.c. appeals court to expedite

trump's appeal of the ruling. that he is not entitled to immunity. did this surprise, you? tim how do you see it impacting the timing of the trump trials? a lot of people are suggesting this was a big go around in from the trump legal team? >> yeah, i think you're putting your finger, alex, on exactly the motivation, which is to preserve the trial date. special counsel very much want to try this case on march the 4th. and he realizes that this issue is one that is essentially standing in the way. the resolution of this immunity issue has to be resolved before a trial can commence. he also was very confident about the kurds he's pulling here. he believes that, like judge chutkan found, that the acts that are alleged against the former president or well outside the scope of his official responsibilities. they get into the realm of a criminal conspiracy, therefore, are not immunized. i think he believes that, on the merits he has the better argument as he did in the trial court. he wants to get there to the

supreme court as quickly as possible. with an effort to try to hold on to that trial date or something very soon thereafter. if you go to the appellate court, and then the supreme court, it could be months and months. which delays the inevitable presentation of evidence, a resolution of the case. >> okay, tim heavy, my, friend of a great holiday season. if i don't see you. thank you so much. something that happened in washington this week that has a -- that's next. that's next. weathertech... laser measured floorliners that fit perfectly in the front and rear... seat protector to guard against spills and messes... cargoliner, bumpstep, and no drill mudflaps to protect the exterior... and cupfone keeps phones secure and handy... [honk honk] surprise!! shop for everyone on your list with american made products at weathertech.com... it is happening.

the republican-led house making the impeachment quiry into president biden, official this week. the questions remain, about the true motivation behind the probe. in an op-ed for msnbc.com, my friend has brown writes, the real goal has always been to hurt biden's chances of reelection next year, and give trump a little bit of ammo to fire back. when it's correctly noted, that he's the only president to have been impeached twice. hayes brown happens to join me right now in the studio.

he's a columnist and effort editor for msnbc daily. -- congressional reporter for the new york times. hey, guys, welcome to you both. so, in this point that you make about how this is ammo to give trump for using the election because he was impeached twice. 91 legal count against him. is this a sense of desperation? or is there more to? it >> it's desperation, it's also a playbook that republicans have been using for the last 30 years. which is when in doubt, go to a scandal. if there's no scandal, try to pretend that there is one. put out whatever you can to show that, oh, there's something going on. we have just getting evidence, we don't have enough yet, but it's being hidden. we've got to keep looking, keep searching. gotta keep pushing this forward. to keep the base on the hook, to keep the headlines rolling, and it's what we saw with clinton, with what we saw on bomber with benghazi, the attended take on hillary clinton have 2016, and what we're seeing now is the same

thing with joe biden. it's all just kept ramping up as they found success over the years, congressional republicans. >> you know it's extraordinary? you mentioned these conspiracy things. we're still talking about it. it's still out there in the ether. and we remember that, well. there's a calm in the new republic. here's what it predicts. this impeachment will do more to reelect biden than anything biden could do himself. do you agree with that? >> i mean, one of the things that is fascinating about the politics around impeachment, and impeachment is a very political act, it always has been. a lot of legal dealing. it's that when people are seeing the pressure that they support being attacked unfairly, they want to jump. back it's what trump has harnessed to a degree that is unmatched in our modern history. with things that are just illegitimate, like things that are attacks that are actually legitimate against, him and him trying to pretend that, oh,

they're just punching at me. what you see with biden, is you see these fact free investigations where they take little kernels whatever they can, they try to blow them up in the scandal, people watching that say, this isn't fair. and want to defend joe biden. it's why you see so much fundraising around even the threat of impeachment. that really is the base and let them let some know that there's an emmy out there you can help prevent your candidate from going down to this unfair act. >> got it. luke, your latest piece in the new york times is headlined to be, house authorized its impeachment inquiry against biden, now what? does this move by republicans have a, as i've been saying this hour, dogcatchers car quality to it? >> yeah. eventually, they're going to have to put up or shut up. they're going to have to say, we're at the end of this investigation. we've interviewed everybody we possibly. could we've gotten every bank record we possibly could. we haven't found a bribe.

we're still going to move forward with impeachment. and that's going to be a tough decision for those 15 to 20 mainstream conservatives who say they still have reservations about impeaching joe biden. with this very thin evidence. they were okay last week, this week, authorizing the investigation to continue. because i thought it was already one going. who could really be against asking questions, after all? when it comes time to actually impeach a president of the united states without really strong evidence, will they go ahead and do that anyway? will voters in those districts that voted for joe biden support them, and what a swing districts. >> but these republicans, even though all of them voted for this inquiry, how many do you sense are truly invested. and why would any of them who believe there's any there there

have voted against this? >> right. if you talk to them, you try to have it both ways often. they'll say i haven't seen enough evidence. but i am okay with asking questions. there's a number of reasons for that. some of them they feel a lot of pressure from the base. remember, they have to run in primaries to. they have to show the primary voters, who hate joe biden, in want revenge for the prosecutions of donald trump, that they are looking into it, digging in deeply. they also can't go too far because they've got to win in the general election. and they're only a handful of these districts left in the country where people really do have to win the primary, and then the journal. because of how gerrymandered the whole country is. there's still these 15 to 20 districts where that's still a very important thing. i think they're trying to thread the needle. >> hayes, part of this involved, if you look at the names together. jim jordan, james comer, and

house republicans leading this investigation, they are the ones that are calling for hunter biden to be held in contpt of congress after he publicly defy the subpoena this week. but jim jordan, he defy the january 6th subpoena from the committee the there are new reports claiming james comer has his own shell company which is something they're accusing hunter biden of actually misusing. can democrats effectively highlight all this hypocrisy? as soon as i went down this road, you just started smiling at me knowing where we're going. it's there. it's hypocritical. >> entirely hypocritical. the question is, does that matter to the people who are trying to shame at this point? do you really think jim jordan is like, oh, they got me. i defined that subpoena. i have no leg to stand on when it comes to hunter biden. no, they're gonna try to spin it as to say, oh, this is an exception. this is why is entirely different is we're gonna try and say. part of the reason why we have

this inquiry is so that when they're trying to go to court to enforce the subpoenas, they can say, look the house voted to agree to move forward legitimate in impeachment inquiry. if this vote had failed, they would've had a much harder time trying to push any challenges that the biden administration might raise in court, in try to make this testimony happen. >> luke, can i ask you, have jordan, comer, have they answered any questions on the hypocrisy here? >> right, yes. they've been asked multiple times by reporters, jordan tries to argue this case is different than hunter biden's. though it's hard to see how. hunter biden offered to testify publicly. jim jordan never offered to testify publicly. he exchanged series of letters of the january six committee, and never actually provided any information or testimony. as for james comer, he is gonna

say these shell companies that hunter biden has, hunter biden's team will tell you these are just llcs that every single business person would set up, including james comer, and it turns out from the social press reporting, that he has set up similar llcs. hunter biden has been investigated by five years by the justice department. they have not said any of these ellipses were illegal or illegal shell companies. so, we're seeing the pot in the kettle here. according to this associated press reporting. >> there you, go thank you both so much. time is running out, have to make sure you don't miss a very important deadline this month. it's next. nth. it's next.

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with what we need to know. sounds like there is still a little time for us to send things in the mail this christmas. but just how much time? >> yes, alex, there is still time. it's been a very busy here. at the u.p.s., dork folks are getting in an, out getting those packages shipped as the countdown to ristmas is on. let me tell you about those dates. today is the last day if you are ipping via the u.s. postal service to get around and first class shipping which is going to be your cheapest option. if you don't get mail today you're gonna be looking at december 20th for priority shipping with usps and december 21st for priority express one day shipping. to get there by christmas. now, we are a upf store, so i want to talk about their numbers to. december 19th is your last day for that three-day select. december 21st, you are looking at nexday air and december 22nd is the last day to get it delivered by the saturday before christmas. those shipping options are going to cost you a little bit more the longer that you wait.

and of course, as you're rushing out the door to get the packages shipped, one thing you want to keep in mind is how your packing it. you want to make sure your gift arrives and is not damaged. i talked to the owner, george, hear about some packing tips. take a listen. >> i suggested if you have batteries in your package, remove those. use a new box, not an old box with saggy corners and that sort of thing. at least put a couple of inches of package material in the box. i would not use gift wrapping paper or string. i would use three inch packing tape. and if it is fragile i would certainly asked one of our certified packing experts for help. >> and if you are going to be super last-minute and shipping is not your thing, remember that by online and pick up in-store is also an option that you are able to do until around penny am on christmas eve and still get it to that person you're looking to share with. alex? >> you gift cards. that works too. priscilla, thank you. that does it for me on this