ultimately will make mistakes. but giuliani will never say he did anything wrong or will he learn to move on from it. i think we are seeing the same with his son. >> yeah, possibly the same at the former president as well. rebecca guiltless, director of when truth is not truth, the rudy giuliani story. thank you so much. we've got a lot more coming up, folks. you're watching msnbc, our second hour starts right now. hi, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. if you're joining us, welcome to you. if you're sticking with us we are thankful for that. last minute deal making on capitol hill right now, senate negotiators try to come up with a plan to address immigration and provide aid to ukraine and aid to israel. a pairing that not everybody supports. >> this is a dangerous pairing that we should be unequivocal-y standing against putin.

we should be making sure that ukraine literally has the means to defend itself and be a bulwark against authoritarianism in europe. this is not something we should be doing is pairing domestic issues with a very serious, serious foreign policy aims that not just serve us or our allies overseas. >> in a, moment of image or by congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, to talk about whether any compromise the senate makes will be acceptable in the house. plus, a tragic mistake, the israeli military admitting their forces shot three hostages in gaza, even though at least one was carrying a white cloth. it comes as the biden administration steps up pressure on the israelis to tone down their offensive. >> i want them to be focused on how to save civilian lives. not stop going after hamas. >> israel has the intent to make sure that it is drawing

those distinctions clearly and in a sustainable way. and we want to see the results. >> we want to see the way moore's precise, more surgical, more deliberate. more cautious. >> all that, plus we're also following the stunning news out of hollywood, as the cause of death for actor matthew perry is revealed. after a texas woman is forced to flee her home state to end a pregnancy that threatened to her health, i will talk to one writer who argue that every abortion is an emergency abortion. that conversation is ahead as well. we want to begin with those senate negotiations happening this hour over foreign aid a bill that provides funding to both ukraine in israel. we want to go first to that breaking news moments ago, a u.s. warship operating in the red sea has shot down more than a dozen drones launched from the houthi-controlled areas of yemen. joining more on that as nbc's erin gilchrist. erin, if you, will walk us through more of what we know this hour. >> yasmin, we're getting this information from u.s. central command, the pentagon agency

that runs u.s. military operations in the middle east. as we understand that it was early this morning when the uss carney, part of the two aircraft carrier groups that have been station in the mediterranean discovered these drones that have been launched, they say they were attacked drones that were launched from the hu-controlled areas of yemen toward the red sea. the uss carney was able to shoot those drones down. as we understand, there were no injuries, no damage to any ships in that area either. at this point, it's worth noting that this is not the first time this has happened. this is something that we've been seeing repeatedly with these drones and missiles being launched from houthi rebel areas of yemen towards the red sea. and at ships, commercial ships, that had been transiting through the red sea. the uss carney itself has shut down many of these drones and missiles since october 7th. the houthis have said that they are launching these strikes on

commercial vessels that they believe have ties to israel in some way. that they're doing this in solidarity with the palestinian people who live in gaza. there have been several instances where the ships have in connection to israel have been disputed. we know that there are also several major shipping companies that have said, as a result of the attacks that we've been seeing in the red sea on these commercial ships, they are no longer going to allow their vessels to transit through this area. this is a part of the world that sees a significant portion of the container ship movement globally come through this area. we're talking about 30% of container ships that move globally going through this area. to have them now have to no longer go through the suez canal, through the red sea, through other parts of this area, is going to be a major economic disruption, we believe, some of those ships will have to go around africa in order to get from parts of europe around to other parts of asia.

this is a disruption that u.s. government, the u.s. military and other military powers and governments have been very much aware. of we heard from national security council spokesperson yesterday, saying that there is a group of 39 nations that deal with maritime security in this area. it's now working to strengthen a task force that's been set up to try to make sure that the red sea can be safe for these commercial ships to transit. yasmin? >> aaron gilchrist for us, thank you. appreciate. i wanna go to the senate negotiations now. happening this hour over a foreign aid bill that provides funding to both ukraine and israel. republican members of congress have insisted the agreement contains substantial immigration reform and u.s. borders. want to bring an embassy's julie tsirkin standing by for us on capitol hill. where are we this hour, julie, and the likelihood that anything can actually get done? >> yasmin, a lot of things on the table here. some provisions that immigration advocates, the progressive lawmakers and frankly hispanic lawmakers have said that they vehemently oppose. remember, this is really something that can get the votes of enough republicans in

the house to pass. that is on the minds of the senate negotiators in the room. a meeting that just dropped a couple of minutes ago. between senators kyrsten sinema, chris murphy, and james lankford. again, these are the principles that have been meeting to try and come to an agreement to try to come to a place where they can release a framework before the senate comes back monday evening so they can try and take this proposal up at some point next week. all that being said, they are still big gaps, yasmin, as we talk through the last hour, that remain. that includes the parole system, administrations parole ofhe dorothy unilaterally. democrats, of course, pushing back on that. you see what's on the table on your screen there's also an issue when it comes to this expansion of removingnts from the interr the country. cities like chico, new york city, places where migrants have been bin recent months by republican governors down south in border states. all of those issues remain thorny. there means gaps between them.

it does remain to be seen if lawmakers can get to a place where they can even have a framework, which is their goal by the end of the weekend. senator sinema leaving the capitol a couple of minutes ago said we are continuing to make progress. we are continuing to move in the right direction. they are done meeting for the, day expected to return tomorrow, potentially with secretary mayorkas. senator murphy, for example a couple of minutes ago, when i asked him whether a timeline to have a vote on this in the foreign aid that will be tied presumably together will happen next week. he said, it remains to be seen. truly, they are going minute by minute here, they still have a lot of gaps to achieve and close, yasmin, it seems to be too ambitious of a timeline. miracles have happened here before. >> julie tsirkin for, us thank you. joining us now is -- debbie wasserman schultz, do miracles actually happen on capitol hill, congresswoman? have they happened before? can they get it done? if so, does the house even

reconvene to vote on it in the timely manner? >> yasmin, i generally look at miracles as being a positive thing. i mean, with republicans and immigration proposals and immigration policy, the cruelty is the point, it really depends on what comes out of the senate through these negotiations for me to give you an analysis. i'm seeing a lot of disturbing proposals that they've been potentially discussing. if they're talking about deportation round ups. reestablishingtan away rates of immigrants who are making asylum, and not allowing those kinds of hearings that are lawful under u.s. law, then that's not something that we should be pairing with vital

foreign emergency supplemental assistance to prevent putin from running over ukraine and continuing through eastern europe. and being strengthened to continue his maligned activity by empower people like maduro in venezuela and the castro regime in cuba. that's happening as well. >> how do we ensure, how do you ensure that ukraine and israel did the aid that they need, considering the fact the republicans are hell-bent on attaching immigration reform, talking about some of the proposals that you just spoke about. let's bring that up on our screens once again as you mentioned, and national expulsion and visa suspension authority, elimination of nearly all immigration parole auority, mandatory incarceration of all people, fa seeking asylum. mass nationwide expansion of expedited removal. numerical caps on asylum and minutes on asylum refusal. how do you get it done? how do you get the aid where it

needs to go with republicans holding it up with these immigration proposals? >> well, i, mean to say nothing of the fact that speaker johnson has said that he doesn't even plan no matter what they are going to bring the house back into session to consider if they send us a supposed miracle compromise. the hopes and dreams of republicans here or that they look at this massive immigration policy through that is very controversial. that they would never normally get. in exchange for vital emergency supplemental funding that ensures that we make sure that israel can eradicate hamas and the threat that hamas presents to them. and also make sure they can go and rescue the rest of the hostages. or make sure that hamas releases them. that should be the priority. republicans used to actually

only focus on so-called illegal immigration now it seems that they just want to block all immigrants for coming to the country regardless. that's not something that i'd like to see paired. that doesn't mean that there aren't policies and funding that president biden proposed initially. in his emergency supplemental bill that he sent to congress. so, perhaps there is something that we can agree upon what i'm hearing, and i certainly trust my democratic colleagues who are negotiating this, what i'm hearing is very troubling. >> i want to talk about israel well i have you. we have these three hostages that were mistakenly killed by the idf. you have president biden now -- jake sullivan who just in israel this week as well, essentially compelling the israeli government, bibi netanyahu as well, to tone it down. to move on to the next phase of this war, more targeted strikes to continue to after hamas, more targeted strikes because

of this high civilian death toll. where are you on this? how, in, fact think the u.s. government can compel netanyahu to, quote unquote, tone it down as the president asked. >> yasmin, jake sullivan was very clear, he did not. meet that he was not specific in going to israel to sit with the war cabinet. and dictate to them when each phase of the war, which was always expected to be conducted in phases, needed to be executed. the bottom line is that all of this could be resolved if hamas releases the hostages. and ends their quest to eradicate israel and kill jews. that's in their charter, it's what they're hell-bent on. doing it what they've said repeatedly. that they will continue to do. october 7th, there would be a second or third. the giving israel, and any

sovereign nation the ability to conduct a war to rescue their own people, and to eradicate the security threat is essential we we have a very close relationship we said bye bye side with israel every single day, through intelligence and military cooperation and we're communicating with them regularly. so, we've heard from the president. that they want israel to move on to this next phase. they want them to be more calculated and more targeted, we heard about them using these dumb bombs, they're not as targeted. hence one of the reasons why we're seeing high civilian death casualties. and it seems as if gazans, palestinians are now cornered in the south, with nowhere to go. with the president saying this, congresswoman, do you feel as if they don't need to tone this down? they cannot move to this more targeted strike? not to give up on going after hamas and eradicating hamas from the region, but not doing

so by losing thousands and thousands of more palestinians. >> what the president and jake sullivan national security advisor have communicated is that they want israel to make sure that they are doing everything they can to limit civilian casualties. let's not, forget hamas uses their own civilians as human shields. they embed themselves underneath civilian facilities like hospitals and u.n. headquarters and apartment buildings. they are putting their own civilians in harm's way. and they publicly said, that they're civilians or the casualties of war. they don't think of death in the same way that most of the rest the world does. what the president has been communicating is, please make sure that you do everything you can. and israel does. more than any other country on earth, when they are engaged in

war that they did not start themselves. it's a response to 1200 of their citizens being slaughtered and 240 taken hostage is. what they do in a dense urban environment like this, they notify aggressively for people to get out of harm's way. but hamas leaves the people in harm's way. i know that president biden and jake sullivan publicly said when they return from israel, they are confident that israel is doing what they can to limit those civilian casualties. what a mask needs to do, they need to end their threat to eliminate israel. and their threat to continually attack them. and then release the hostages. all of this would be over. it is on hamas to end this. >> if you think of all the hostages released, this would be over? >> i certainly think of the hostages were released, and hamas and did their threat to israel, then tint to continually attack israel, yes.

israel has said that. and because that is clear that hamas is not going to do that, then israel needs to continue to conduct a war as any sovereign nation who is under threat with a terrorist organization on their doorstep, repeatedly threatening to attack the people, they raped, murdered, savagely brutally slaughtered 1200 of their civilians, israeli civilians. and they threatened to do it again. yes, israel, who is a peaceful nation, if the threat is eradicated, in the hostages are released, they should be. then israel would not continue to engage in war. it's not israel that started this. it is hamas. which is a terrorist organization. hell-bent on ending israel as a nation, and killing jews across the country, we just saw hamas terrorists arrested in europe. who are plotting to kill jews outside of israel. hamas is a terrorist organization hell-bent on killing jews across the world.

as a member of the jewish faith in the jewish community, yes i want to make sure that the hamas and any peace-loving people should want hamas terrorists to their ability to threaten and kill people should be eradicated. >> do you believe, congressman, this my last question that i let you go, do you believe in a two state solution? do you believe palestinians and israelis can live side by side? and if so, do you think the current israeli government can get on board with that? >> i firmly support a two state solution with two states for two peoples, palestinians and israelis living side by side in peace with the security ensured for the israeli people in the palestinian people. that's why a terrorist organization can't continue to function and exist and that be able to happen. we need a piece partner. israel needs a partner for peace.

a legitimate partner for peace. which, yasmin, if you seen over the years, palestinian authority, palestinian leadership have repeatedly not refused to take yes for an answer. and have rejected comprehensive, legitimate full proposals for a two-state solution. and it's never a good enough deal. because, essentially for so many years, they've not supported the idea that israel should be able to exist as a. state. i have questioned, in many trips to israel, palestinian leaders and ask them. will you tell us, our congressional delegations, that you believe that israel has the right to exist as a georgia democratic state? i've never had a palestinian leader bill to say that expressly to me or to my colleagues. it's a two-way street. >> do you believe netanyahu's government supports a two-state solution? >> i mean, prime minister netanyahu has not been willing, this coalition government has

seemed to have indicated they are supportive of that. but that is the palestinian of the united states. it's the most recent policy for the final status negotiations. and that is a policy that should be implemented with a legitimate partner for peace that actually has the authority and the ability and the willingness to move forward with israeli leadership to establish two states for two peoples. that doesn't appear to be clear that it exists on the palestinian side right now. but i'm hopeful that, when the war is over, in the terrorist threat is eradicated, in the hostages are home, that we as the united states government can help our ally israel and our friends among the palestinian people to bring them back together. we've always been on the play that role as a catalyst in those discussions. i'm confident that president biden is the president that can

help lead that effort. >> congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, i know you're dealing with a lot of weather right now in your state of florida as well. so, we wish you the best. and i thank you for taking a little bit of time to talk to me this afternoon. amidst all of that. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> still ahead, everybody. rudy giuliani woke up today with 148 million reasons to to georgia election workers. what he is saying he'll do next after losing that lawsuit. first, more than a month after matthew perry's passing, what a coroner is being caused the friends star's death. we're back in 60 seconds. e back in 60 seconds irritating r esidues. and it's gentle on her skin. tide free & gentle is epa safer choice certified. it's got to be tide. after switching to the farmer's dog we noticed so many improvements in remi's health. his allergies were going away and he just had amazing energy. it looks like nutritious food, and it is. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. get started at longlivedogs.com (carolers) ♪ iphone 15 pro, your husband deserves it! ♪

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about his struggle with addiction, i want to bring in los angeles, from austin and was, and he sees dana griffin to talk about this. the medical examiners office also saying drowning was a cause here. coronary artery disease, in the effects of a drug used to treat opioid use, ketamine, as i mentioned. what we learn? >> yasmin, matthew perry's autopsy, or at least the results were deferred, pending toxicology results. as you mentioned, the l.a. county coroner says that he died from acute effects of ketamine. ruling his death an accident. they also talked about other contributing factors, including drowning, coronary artery disease, in the effects of -- which is a drug used to treat opioid addiction. that drug, combined with ketamine, may have caused some further issues, considering that he already had a heart condition. and this is according to our nbc news medical contributor,

dr. natalie azar. she says that ketamine is a powerful short form sedative that can cause slowed breathing, respiratory depression, those are some of the terms that were used in the autopsy report. the autopsy report also mentioned that drugs can be used for therapy to treat depression, anxiety something that matthew perry has talked about publicly. also, it can be used for recreational use, because of the dissociative nature that comes from taking that medicine. on october, perry was found unresponsive in his jacuzzi by his live in assistant. she called 9-1-1, investigators say they did not find any drug or drug paraphernalia. near his body. he has been? >> dana griffin for, us thank, you dana. appreciate. coming up, a legal victory for two georgia election workers. rudy giuliani accused of engaging in a scheme to immediately the 2020 election results. will shea and ruby freeman ever see a dime of the nearly $150 million they were awarded? we'll be right back.

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former trump attorney rudy giuliani is vowing to appeal that stunning verdict by a federal jury in washington. the former mayor has now been ordered to pay 100 $48 million to the two georgia election workers he defamed by falsely accusing them of election fraud. here's shea moss and ruby freeman outside the courthouse moments after the verdict. >> as we move forward and continue to seek justice, our greatest wish is that no one, no election worker or voter or school board member or anyone else ever experiences anything like what we went through. >> today is not the end of the road. we still have work to do. rudy giuliani was not the only one who spread lies about us. and others must be held accountable to. >> joining us now, nbc news

justice reporter, ryan reilly. also the author of sedition hunters, our january 6th broke the justice system. ryan, if you will, take us through this. we thought was gonna be around 48 million, wow, the number is a lot larger than that. >> th's right, it's really those punitive damages that really get this up their 75 million. what essentially thju did what the plaintiffs asks them to do. which was to send a message. clearly what the jury was trying to do here. trying to kill others who are in the position to spread these lies about election workers that you can't do that. you can't lean into these bogus claims about election workers. because you've read them on some conspiracy website and continue to begin and believe them as rudy giuliani appears to today. you saw after the verdict came in, he went back up to those cameras and said that what he said originally he believed was supported. even though it's not. these were bogus claims. he really doesn't seem to be able to break that spell.

still believes that these conspiracies he was spreading, that he originally read online or true. it's just been proven, time and time again, they were not. obviously, that had tremendously damaging impact for the country in the form of the storming of the u.s. capitol. for these individual specifically, just up ending their lives. they had to move, they got this torrent of racist threats, racist voicemails. really just horrible messages that had a major effect on the ju, yasmin. >> what we know about his financial statements? are they gonna see any of this money? >>e doesn't have the greatest financial -- a lot of peop pursuing him for cash. i think theesmodel for this probably the alex jones situation with the sandy hook families. where they ended up finding a smaller settlement, and agreed upon that. and then he has to pay that off overtime. you can have a situation where, you know, rudy giuliani ends up sending a cut of whatever sort of income streams he has. also, he might have to

liquidate. he already has that process going. in the state of florida, there's some major tax leaves that he has. there he has his apartment in new york city. it's on the market. he has a lot of people pursuing him for old legal bills. it's a question of whether or not or how much, of this are gonna end up seeing in the end. >> ryan riley for, us thank, you ryan, appreciate it. coming up, a major system set to soak the east coast. more than 60 million people in his path. are you one of them? first, israel is not just facing international pressure to pull back on what's been called an indiscriminate bombing campaign in gaza, with thousands of israelis calling on the government to do now. do now. (carolers) ♪ iphone 15 pro, your husband deserves it! ♪ (mom) carolers? to tell me you want a new iphone? a better plan is verizon. (vo) it's your last chance to turn any iphone in any condition into a new iphone 15 pro with titanium and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon.

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and moaning the deaths of our three hostages, when i was updated about this terrible tragedy, it was a real shock for me. -- they survived, and they really dug in that last a moment. and then get catastrophe took place. it has broken my heart, it has broken the entire nation's heart. and we extend our deepest, deepest condolences to the families. >> israeli prime minister,

netanyahu, speaking in the last hour after three israeli hostages were mistakenly shot and killed by idf soldiers. israeli military officials today, at least one of the positive holding a stick with a white cloth. it sparked protests throughout yesterday and today in israel, meanwhile, just in this afternoon, we now have word that the haram shalom border crossing is set to open tomorrow to allow humanitarian aid into gaza. that is according to a u.s. official, it's gonna be the first time aid would enter gaza through israeli territory. in the meantime, president biden warning israel, it is losing international support because of its, quote, indiscriminate bombing of gaza. the president made the comments during a fund-raiser attended by jewish donors. he also renewed his warnings to prime minister bibi netanyahu, not to make the same mistakes. the united states did after the september 11th attacks. meanwhile, national security adviser, jake sullivan, traveled to israel in the occupied west bank this week to consult on a timeline for ending the war, which is really say could take months. i want to bring in our david

horn, the former senior adviser to president obama's special envoy for middle east peace. he also served as the u.s. a.i. dean emission director to the west bank in gaza as well. david, thanks for joining us on this. appreciate it. i want to talk to your op-ed, i want to talk through some things you've been hearing out of israel as well. i want to start first with the message that is being heard and whether or not it actually resonating. the message by president biden in that they need to tamp down on this war and how aggressive and offensive there being now. the need to move to a new targeted phase, because of what the president has said has been seems indiscriminate killing. the thousand and thousands of deaths and innocent palestinian civilians. the president said he feels as if netanyahu has heard the message. the question, is has the war cabinet heard the message? do you feel as of this message has been received? if not, what needs to happen? >> so, you raise a really valid

question. and i am not sure that the cabinet has actually understood all of this. netanyahu had three objectives. one was to defeat and destroy hamas. right now, the indiscriminate aspect of this campaign is probably creating more -- that's the case in the west bank. without knowing gaza. it's clear that the ground swell is gonna be deeply anti israel. and this igoing to continue for generations. the hostages, there was some progress. but yesterday's outcome was heartbreaking for the hostage families. and as of this moment, most of the senior leadership of hamas that are still alive and not help accountable. so, i'm not sure, -- it's an important thing. opening that. >> let me ask you quickly. if they were to move to more of this targeted offensive, would it be as effective and eradicating hamas as what they're doing now in using these dunbar ms. the don't

necessarily have as precise targets but have the propensity to kill more innocent civilians? >> we have 2.3 million people pushed down into the last 25% of the gaza strip. it's almost certainly the case that the grievances and anger in the frustration among the gazans themselves will be generational. that will only accrue to hamas. the question about whether more targeted operations against hamas leadership will be more effective in the long run. i mean, i think the story is unknown. this has been the case for a very long time. it's certainly the case in the west bank. and still the conflict in teen continues. >> i want to read for folks about some of your op-ed. and when you talk about, really eloquently, and i would really tell everybody and give everybody, want to give everybody this link on my twitter later on. to read your piece. talking about how there should be a two-state solution, there should be a state of palestine,

there should be a state of israel. but with that, i want to play for you some sound of the israeli ambassador to the uk, when asked about this as a solution. >> right, thank you. >> the answer is absolutely no, and i'll tell you why. israel knows today, and the world to know now, the reason the oslo code failed is because palestinians didn't have a state next to israel, they want devastate from the river to the. see >> why are you obsessed with a formula it never, worked that created this radical people in the other side? >> the confusion that i have, david, what is she saying the solution should be then. if not aid to state solution. we heard bibi netanyahu say there is gonna be this indefinite security over gaza that israel would in fact oversee. what that means and what that looks like, we don't necessarily know. if that is what the israeli government believes, and we know what hamas believes as well, hence why israel wants to

get rid of hamas, how do we get there? >> so, the challenge is that there are two people, israelis and palestinians that live almost equal numbers between the river in the city. and none of them are going anywhere. they're not moving, they're not leaving and they're not giving up their aspirations. on both sides. so right now, both the palestinians and israelis are hijacked by their most right wing groups. you see the settlers who have a very big vision of the large israel. and you see hamas, who denies the existence of israel. these things are not aligned at all there is really only one answer. if you care about the palestinians, and if you care about the israelis, the only outcome is a two-state solution. not a one state solution. >> in your new yo times op-ed, you write that the presidents responsibility here, president bin that, is saying u.s.

recognition would bolster, u.s. recognition of a palestinian state would bolster the political capital of hamas as a rival the palestinian authority civil society, and it is a committee, and those who are prepared to live in peace with israel. david hardin, thank you so much, appreciate it. still ahead, everybody, details on the severe storm system threatening collide with the holiday travel rush. time is running out, the crucial holiday shipping deadlines you need to know to get your gifts to their destinations on time. we'll be right back. ight back. physically and financially. then you came along and made every mile worth it. hi mom. at vanguard you're more than just an investor, you're an owner. helping you prepare for today's longer retirement. that's the value of ownership.

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floridians are under heavy wind, tornado warnings at this hour, tropical storm set to minister state's heavy rains, and whipping winds put a damper on preholiday festivities. florida governor ron desantis has activated the state guard preparation for the weekend weather. thanking them for their, quote, willingness to mobilize an short notice. the countdown is officially on, they're just ten days left until christmas. and with christmas eve falling on a sunday, that tightens up the window to ship those holiday gift. joining us now, and mrs. priscilla thompson from a u.p.s. location outside of houston texas. enrichment force. it's just about go time. talk us through some of the deadlines here in the costs associated with holiday shipping. with christmas just over a week away. >> yeah, yasmin, we are getting down to the wire here. in the top line the longer you

wait the more it's going to cost you at this point. let's first talk dates and then we'll talk about cost. today is the last day to ship via the u.s. postal service at their cheapest option, the ground in first class, and get it there in time for christmas. that is gonna be your cheapest option if yo don't get those packages shipped by today, with the postal service, you're looking at december 20th having to pay for priority three-day shipping. you'll get it there on, time and then decemb 21st four priority express one-day shipping. as for u.p.s., december 19th is the last day for three days select shipping than december 21st you're paying for same day air and, december 22nd, we'll get you a saturday delivery. just to get a sense of what we're talking about in terms of cost, if you're shipping through the postal service, a two pound box from new york city to california that's gonna cost you about 30 bucks today. which is the last day to get it at the cheapest option. if you aren't able to ship it today, and you have to wait until that and go up to that

priority option, you're looking at an additional $60 to ship that box. you're definitely gonna feel it in your wallet. as you're rushing out the door to get those packages shipped in time, you want to make sure keeping in mind how you're packing those boxes. so those gifts don't arrive damaged or broken, i spoke to the owner here, george, about some tips for packing. take a listen to what he had to say to folks. >> i suggested, if you have batteries in your pack, remove those. use a new box, not an old box with chevy corners and that sort of thing. at least put a couple of inches of packaging material in the box. i wouldn't use gift wrapping paper or a stream. i use three inch packing tip. if it's fragile, and ask for a packing expert for help. >> just one more note for those folks who are banking on their amazon prime subscription to get free same-day shipping, a reminder, that only applies to

qualifying items. do yourself a favor, put it in your cart early to make sure it's gonna qualify for that free today shipping. and that it'll arrive in time for the holiday. yasmin? >> priscilla thompson, for us, thank you and looking at those dates thinking, okay when you get these packages out? coming up, everybody, what a texas woman's fight for an emergency abortion signals about the fight for reproductive rights on a broader scale. we'll be right back. 'll be right back. .while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs. the subway series? it's the perfect menu lineup. just give us a number, we got the rest. number three? the monster. six? the boss. fifteen? titan turkey. number one? the philly. oh, yeah, you probably don't want that one. look, i'm not in charge of naming the subs.

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the texas supreme court ruling that the kate cox case prevented her from getting an abortion? after she learned her fetus was not viable? >> call the press office. >> i have for two days, now estevan received an answer. >> thank you. >> thatwas xas senator ted cruz, deflecting queions about abortion on e ate level. that type of respses a precursor to what could happen at the national level. the supreme court has now

agreed to take up this major medication case, that could eliminate acss to the most commonly used type of abortion care in the country, the abortion pill. as writer danielle -- puts it, it bears repeating, every abortion is an emergency abortion. danielle joins me now to talk more about this. you talk about, daniel, obviously, with broad strokes what's happening on a national level. all the instances with which we've seen women have to secret abortion care and have been stopped in their tracks because of some of these local state laws that have been put in place, talking about them a specific one that we just recently talked about in texas. you also talked about your own experience in a time in which you had an unwanted pregnanc you write this, every second that i was pregnant, when i didn't want to be felt like an affront on my person. and a legitimate threat to my future. talk more about this for you, along with how it also applies

to stories of so many women and what they're facing. >> absolutely. i think that, in a post-roe world, we've heard story after story, as you mention, of people being denied abortion care in these really extreme circumstances. it bears repeating, as i, wrote every circumstance in which someone is forced by their government to remain pregnant, when they do not want to, be it a human rights violation. and my own personal experience, i felt that firsthand. it's scary to be pregnant when you don't want to be, to be facing potential not only health risks, but also just risks to your future. risks to the things that you had planned for yourself in the present and in the future. i was just read out of college. i had dreams, aspirations those matter just as much as any health concern as well. not for nothing, my abortion is the reason why i'm a mom of two now. without it i would not have the children that i have.

right now. i would not have had a very healthy relationship of ten years that i have right now. so, i think that, well these stories like kate cox's, like so many that have happened pre-dobbs decision, and now in a post-roe world, or very important to highlight, every abortion is necessary, is an emergency to the person who doesn't want to be pregnant. their life is on the line. the life that they had planned for themselves, the life that they had been building for themselves. that is just as important, and unfortunately, i think right now that it's kind of getting lost in the national discussion of abortion care in abortion access. >> how have people responded to your piece? >> i mean, anytime i've ever written about abortion and i have been covering this for ten plus years, it's always a mix. you have a very loud but very small minority of people who to the common your murderer. you shouldn't be a mother.

what if your mother aborted you? which the price of, prize my mother had an abortion, which is why i exist, it's a very common part of family planning. but also a lot of people just are thankful to be reminded, to have somebody who's a voice for these other abortions that are just as important. and they are. and now that we're facing, as you mentioned, the supreme court taking up this case that could gut access to the most common type of abortion care for everybody, regardless of where they live in this country, i think it bears repeating, people are scared. and they should be. this is about bodily autonomy. it is about our rights as human beings. and i think that, on the whole, most people in studies where this out, are supportive of access to abortion. >> >> in this piece, you talk about how your a part of a

class with access and privileged group. you say that can obtain abortion without facing unnecessary cruel barriers to care. we know 24 states have banned abortion. what are you most afraid of right now? daniel? >> i'm afraid of what i was privileged to have, which was access without barriers. no mandate to a waiting period. i didn't have to travel out of state. i didn't have to sit through a bunch of lies. that's gonna go away. it already has gone away. it has gone away before roe. it's gonna leave now. and scotus is probably gonna get it. that's what i'm afraid. if >> you should be daniels, beats every abortion is an emergency abortion. danielle, thank you so much, appreciate it. that wraps it up for me, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian, and back in the chair two pm eastern. symone starts right now.