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>> this is the katie phang show, live from miami, florida. we have lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer. let's get started. and game -- after 40 witnesses and 11 weeks
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of blockbuster testimony, donald trump's civil fraud trial in new york is almost over. closing arguments are set for next month. what could it mean for the business empire of the quadruple indicted, twice impeached disgraced former president? >> profiles in courage -- the georgia election workers who stood up to rudy giuliani and the lies he told about them. one of the attorneys for shea moss and ruby friedman joins me live to discuss their epic victory and what is next. baseball's 700 million dollar man, shohei ohtani's stunning contract with the l.a. dodgers and how his structured payout is poised to change the game. we will go inside the biggest deal in sports history. all of that and more is coming up. a good sunday morning to you all. i am katie phang. we begin today's show with the latest in the new york attorney generals 250 million dollar
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civil fraud trial, ju o of the cases in donald trump's expensive portfolio of legal troubles. on wednesday, we saw the last day of testimony in the trial with closing arguments from both sides now scheduled for january 11th. attorney general letitia james has accused trump of inflating his wealth on financial statements used to secure loans and made deals. in a partial summary judgment decision back in september, judge arthur engoron ruled that donald trump, his core business is, and his adult sons who run them were all liable for fraudulent asset valuation. while awaiting closing arguments and the verdict, trump on friday appealed to the limited gag orders put in place by judge engoron which prevent trump from making comments about the court staff after an appellate court ruled to keep those gag orders in place just the day before. joining me now for more, joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in alabama, professor at the university of alabama school of law, msnbc legal analyst, and a
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co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. her greatest role for me is keeping me on track when it comes to all things legal. joyce, thanks for joining us this morning. let's start with that new york civil fraud trial. trump appealing that gag order on friday after losing a petition on thursday with the appellate court to get the gag orders overturned. my first question for you, joyce, what happens when the trial is over? do those gag orders actually survive after a ruling comes from judge engoron on the remaining counts? >> you know, they won't survive once the trial is over. katie, what will happen is that trump, like any other private citizen, will be responsible for his words. if he does do anything that constitutes some form of a civil wrong, saying, to judge engoron's a log partner who has been on the attack against, he could be held accountable in a civil lawsuit at that point in
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time. >> we also know judge engoron's original partial summary judgment that we referenced at the beginning of this segment, trump has already appealed that and the appellate court has stated that decision at the conclusion of this bench trial. there will be rulings from dodging horan on the remaining counts. do we expect, joyce, the appeal to be a universal global appeal of all of the decisions made by judge engoron? >> exactly, katie. that is a good point. our legal system has a preference for doing the appeal of a trial all at one time instead of piecemeal. that really preserves judicial resources and is considered the right way to do things. there are issues where a party can take an interlocutory appeal and appeal ahead of trial. for the most part, everything is reserved. the entire appeal is handled after the verdict. that is what we will see here. >> in this instance, we all know that this has been a bench
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trial, no jury. there is actually going to be the submission of briefs on each side in advance of oral arguments which are going to take place on january >> 11th. is that typical when you have a bench trial, joyce, to actually have both sides have the chance to write out their arguments before getting up to our you them? >> so, this is an incredibly complicated case, which means that it is unusual in some ways. typically, just in a routine case, you will not see anything like this happen. what you will see happen is that the parties will file a trial brief in advance of trial laying out their evidence and any potential legal disputes they expect to see. this is a little bit different of a process that we are seeing here before closing arguments in this case. >> joyce, ultimately, we know now that we have been calling this a 250 million dollar civil fraud trial. letitia james indicates that the evidence that has been set forth actually pushes that number upward for of $400
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million. a lot of people when they hear about this case seem to think that that amount of money is what would actually be supportive of the idea of what donald trump has been saying, right? there are no victims in this case. the banks got paid back their money. what are you talking about? it's actually very specific. it's called discouragement, meaning letitia james is asking to get that amount of money back because donald trump improperly caught the value of the money, right? >> exactly. that is what this case has been about. this is not a case where the jury assigned speculative damages. this is a case where james is asking that trump organization be forced to discourage any of its illicitly gotten profit. she documents that based on better treatment that they got, whether it's on taxes or insurance or bank loans. this is based upon the lies that we are told about the corporation assets and other
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financial status information. she is looking for something which is very specifically authorized by new york law in a situation like this. >> joyce, let's change gears now. let's go to the d.c. election interference case that donald trump is facing. we have the benefit of lawrence hurley coming up in the next block to really drill down on the supreme court issues. i want to focus on the appeal that is traveling in what i will call the traditional course in terms of an appeal, going to the d.c. circuit court of appeals. i want to read out dates for you. trump asked to respond by december 13th. we got that. in terms of the expedited appeal, the d.c. circuit court of appeals tells both sides, special counsel jack smith and donald trump, you have to start actually filing the briefs substantively on this appeal that trump took in terms of presidential immunity. how does this work when it comes to the appellate process for presidential immunity
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appeal that trump is taking? >> we have dueling courts here right now. what jack smith did is he went to the supreme court with this unusual request that the supreme court here trumps immunity appeal before the court of appeals did. it's an appeal to judicial economies. look, this case is headed in your direction. why don't we just cut to the chase and you hear it. out of an abundance of caution, he tells the supreme court, at the same time i'm asking you to hear the case, i will ask the court of appeals for the district of columbia to expedite their proceedings as well. the district of columbia did just that. trump will have a brief -- on the 20th next week to discuss this issue of whether the supreme court should hear this the case directly. at the same time, he's right on the cusp of having to file his brief in the court of appeals. no real gas here on how this
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comes out. the supreme court could say, well, it looks like you were able to get the court of appeals to jump-start its proceedings. we will go ahead and let them finish up. by the same token, there are good reasons for the supreme court to go ahead and hear this matter. supremeit lands on their desk. it's a matter of national importance. it clearly fits the guidelines for hearing an appeal out of order. if they are really thinking about getting this moving and the efficiency of the courts, the supreme court will go ahead and take it. >> joyce vance, so grateful, as always, for you to come and get to the show started. happy holidays. >> you too, katie. >> coming up, power play -- will it auto trump's presidential immunity appeal be expedited at the special counsel's request? how could this maneuver play out? plus, now worthless, why rudy giuliani could -- don't go anywhere.
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♪oh♪ ♪then you take me by the hand♪ ♪i feel better again♪ ♪oh i feel better now♪ >> special counsel jack smith
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has been keeping his foot on the gas pedal when it comes to donald trump's january 6th election interference case. on monday, smith petitioned the supreme court to allow himo leapfrog the usual intermediate step of the d.c. circuit court of appeals and have the supreme court immediately step in to decide whether trump is presidential immunity for prosecution for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. hours later, the high court agreed to consider hearing the case on an expedited basis. trump and his team have until this wednesday to file a response. hedging against possible no from scotus, as we talked about with joyce last segment, smith requested that the d.c. court of appeals handle on an expedited basis his appeal of judge tanya chutkan's denial of his motion to dismiss on the basis of presidential immunity
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and double jeopardy. that appellate court agreed and set up a briefing schedule which concludes with trump's reply been due on january 2nd. in the meantime, judge chutkan has paused all proceedings in trump's d.c. criminal case until a resolution is reached. joining me now for a deeper dive on that supreme court issue implicated here is nbc news supreme court reporter lawrence hurly. good morning. welcome to the show. i really want to talk about what is happening with this detention. it's being talked about everywhere but i want people to understand what we are dealing with. jack smith is requesting a petition for writ of served before judgment. i put that in quotes. can you explain for the viewers what a petition for writ of search is? what are the implications of it being before judgment? >> good morning. petition for judgment is when the person bringing the appeal is trying to skip over the appeals court process and
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they're trying to fast-track this case. they are considering that case as well. this is something which has happened quite a few times recently in cases which have gone up to their supreme court. on fast-track purposes such as policies like the biden's student loan plan, this is something that the court has done in the past. the question now as we have been discussing this whether they want to step in right now or they want to wait for the appeals court to decide first. >> lawrence, if the appeals court has said, yes we're going to expedite the briefing schedule that we just mentioned, if the appeals court should say, i don't know, denied any type of relationship that donald trump is seeking and say that chutkan did the right thing, does that mean that the supreme court could come to its own different conclusion or are we just going to wait for the process to play out or trump would appeal the appeals court
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decision all the way to the supreme court and hope that they take it? >> one of the reasons why are jacks mitt filed this before judgment is so that it is kind of in front of the supreme court now. if the appeals court acts quickly, even if the supreme court does not step in now, if the court acts quickly and issues a ruling early january, something like that, the supreme court might still have this petition pending. they could immediately grant it on its own action, basically, just by being aware of the appeals court rulings. i think one of the reasons why the special counsel filed this thing is not necessarily because he thinks the supreme court is going to step in right now but because he wants the supreme court to be on notice that he is going to step inseam. the justices are well aware of the timing of all of this. the timing of this whole thing is that -- everyone is aware of that. >> so, let's just play this out
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really quickly. if the supreme court says, yes, i'm going to grant jack smith's petition for writ of cert before judgment and allow a substantive decision to be made by the scotus justices, two questions. does that put a pause on what is happening in the circuit court of appeals? my second question is, do we have to wait until the end of june of 2024 to get a result or ruling for the supreme court? >> if the supreme court steps in, that means that the d.c., there's no really point in the d.c. circuit going forward. the supreme court is going to decide that decision and it's going to be binding on the lower courts. as you mentioned before, they have already suggested that they are willing to consider this on an expedited basis, including the briefing that we had already. if the court decides to step in right now, or after the d.c. circuit ruling, they will hear it very quickly undecided very
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quickly, as they did back in 1974 with the nixon tapes case. that came up extremely quickly. i think it was decided within a couple of months of the petition being filed. in this instance, with this trial scheduled for march, it's a possibility that the court could decide the case before then. a little bit after than would still allow time for the trial to potentially take place, notwithstanding all of the other appeals that are pending before the election. >> i just want to emphasize that the supreme court has not decided to take up this appeal. the only thing that is being briefed is whether the supreme court should even consider to take this case up on appeal, correct? >> that's right. everyone should be looking toward next week to see what happens. as you mentioned before, trump will file his response to jack smith's request that the
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supreme court stepping in on wednesday. based on how the court normally handles this type of thing, we might here within a day or two, maybe before the christmas break would the court plans to do in terms of this preliminary decision. they might say that they are going to hear it or that they are not going to hear it. they could say something else. we're not going to make a decision right now. the d.c. circuit, the appeals court is already saying it's going to hear the case. we're going to sit on it right now. maybe it will step in later. >> i have about a minute left. what sort of ripple effects could a decision on this case regarding presidential immunity claims specific to trump have on his other cases? >> from the supreme court's perspective to, just to change the question a little bit, they're going to be most worried about how it's going to affect other presidents. this case, there's never been anything like it before. if they're going to decide the
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immunity question, they're not going to be thinking about trump necessarily, but more about what happens to the former president who someone tries to indict for something that he did in office. you can come up with a whole list of things that the former president could potentially be indicted for if that were on the table. if the supreme court decides this case and then rules against trump, they are going to make it as limited as possible so it doesn't have far-reaching consequences. >> nbc news supreme court reporter lawrence hurly, thanks so much for joining us and explaining these important issues. i really appreciate it. >> thanks a lot. good to talk to you. >> coming up next, trivial pursuit -- house republicans improve -- even after some admit there is no evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors. i'm going to speak with steve cohen about all of that and more. with stev cohen about all of that an more more
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ongoing chaos on capitol hill, all courtesy of the gop. this weekend, the senate is racing to reach a deal on border security and aid for ukraine and israel. majority leader chuck schumer called on the senate to return to session tomorrow, delaying the upcoming holiday break for senators. democrats believe they are making progress and reaching a deal, but they are not hopeful that it will happen before christmas. even if the senate comes to an agreement ahead of the deadline, it is unlikely to even be addressed by the house. in a statement, republican speaker mike johnson said, quote, the house won't wait around to receive and debate a rushed product. of course, house republicans can rush to vote in favor of a baseless impeachment inquiry into president biden even though our government faces yet another shutdown deadline in 33 days. joining me now, tennessee congressman and member of the house judiciary committee steve cohen. congressman, happy holidays,
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first and foremost. secondly, let's start with the absurd impeachment inquiry into president biden. republicans on three house committees have been investigating president biden and his son for months with zero evidence of wrongdoing being discovered. can you share with our viewers why there was a unanimous vote by house republicans? did you hear anything from your colleagues on why they would do it cross stitarty lines a vote in favor of ts inquiry? >> totally political. we had a speaker who went down to see his dad, donald trump, at mar-a-lago. he told them to go back to washington and impeach joe biden. that will make you feel good because i was impeached twice. he was also impeached. i want to say that. unfortunately, they experienced a speaker who is dealing with an irrational man and the republican party is basically responding to that as well.
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they, most of the maga republicans do what trump tells them to do. they are going to do that. they're doing that with ukraine. what he -- he wants putin to win the war and he wants putin to help him in 2024. trump is looking at 2024 in putin's looking for posterity. >> we know the senate goes back to session tomorrow. do you see any kind of deal being made to secure the border and for funding that is necessary for ukraine and israel? republican seem to be ignorant to think that vladimir putin would spare democracy in other countries and would've focuses war on ukraine. >> well, vladimir putin won't stop. he wants to build back the soviet union which involves nato countries, lithuania, estonia, lot via, segura. we will have americans at war.
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the idea is that donald trump will have a stay in nato or honor our article five treaty which had -- nato responded when we were not allowing that turning the war against afghanistan because of 9/11. i don't know. it's difficult to watch in congress. you take notes for the constitution, the most precious political document on the face of the earth, and you see people not defending democracy. [inaudible] being attacked by terrorist organizations, hamas is a recognized terrorist organization, russia is a non-recognized terrorist organization.
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both of them are violating the rules of law and killing civilians and wiping out cultural objects. it's terrible what is going on. we need to support israel and ukraine unconditionally. we need to support taiwan. we need to have aid for the innocent people who have been hurt in gaza as part of the package in part of the package of border security. that has been a problem. it goes back at least 30 years. no one has been able to come up with a solution. joe biden tried to get a solution. i don't think it's going to happen. but it is unfortunate that the house is adjourned until january 9th. >> let's talk about immigration and border security. republicans are saying any immigration deal is essential to secure their votes to pass the aid that you speak about four countries at war. former president donald trump spoke about immigration during a rally yesterday.
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take a quick listen. >> we have a lot of work to do. they are poisoning the blood of our country. that is what they have done. they have poisoned mental institutions and presents all over the world, not just in south america, not just in three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world. they are coming into our country from africa, asia, all over the world. >> you know, congressman, that is a very clear america centrism message of trump or senate democrats. republicans don't have a problem echoing it, do they? >> he uses all of -- coming from african means blacks. it's a racist thing. asians is racist to. racism is poisoning our blood. the last major leader that said that was hitler about the jews. anything that someone uses to show that they follow hitler's tactics in europe and then
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repeat them, i find that disgusting and something that elise stefanik, the queen of fighting antisemitism, should oppose. they were good people on both sides of charlottesville and they didn't say anything about it. there's a lot of antisemitism in this country. he brings up memes, expressions, trolls that come right of the naughty playbook. that's antisemitism. >> we know that elise stefanik likes to endorse the great replacement theory so she doesn't hide her feelings about that either. >>. she's playing that role. >> i don't even think she would get their biblical reference. don't even get me started. congressman cohen, you would get me in trouble. it's good to see you.
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thanks for being here. >> merry christmas, happy hanukkah, everything else. >> thank you. appreciate it. coming up, one down, several more to go -- the two former georgia election workers who won a whopping multi million dollar civil suit against rudy giuliani what others held accountable. could other defamation lawsuits be on the way, including one implicating donald trump? we will discuss this with one of the attorneys coming up next. attorneys coming up next next
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about ten hours of deliberations, a d.c. jury ordered rudy giuliani, former new york city mayor and united states attorney, for the southern district of new york to pay a whopping $148 million in damages to two former election workers after destroying their lives with allegations of election fraud. they are now seemingly turning their sights on others, including, possibly, donald trump. >> today is a good day. a jury stood witness to what rudy giuliani did to me and my daughter. they held him accountable. for that i am thankful. today is not the end of the road. we still have work to do. rudy giuliani was not the only
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one who spread lies about us. others must be held accountable. >> joining me now is -- one of the attorneys for shea moss and ruby freeman. it is great to have you here. i want to ask you first and foremost, how are they doing today? >> good morning, katie. thank you for having. they are doing well. i think they are still kind of absorbing what it means but they are happy. >> when this verdict, rudy giuliani faces at least civilly his own accountability and what he did but, we know he did this as a part of a greater conspiracy with donald trump and others. can we expect to see miss freeman and miss moss seek retribution against donald trump next? >> we are constantly reviewing the situation. two new statements are being
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made every day. all of the cards are on the table. we are not ruling anything out right now. we are constantly looking at what we need to do next to put these folks as close to their former selves as we can. >> yeah, something which has not been talked about since this verdict has come out is the fact that rudy and shaye are still victims in the fulton county election case. their work is not done yet. they still have to be a part of that process as well, where? >> yeah, that's exactly right. we have cooperated with processes that have come across the desk thus far. we intend to keep doing so, of course. it's important to note that this is important for them personally but it's also important for all of those civil service workers out there who are just doing their jobs,
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cohen about doing the things that really make this country work and go the way it should, and they deal with this kind of nonsense. this is really an important decision beyond a lot of folks focus on the money. for the purpose of informing people who do this to civil servants, this is a historic, historic verdict. >> yeah, von, i appreciate you emphasizing that it is not just the money. first of all, you have a collections effort that you are going to do to get the money from someone who is clearly, i think, from what we have seen in that discovery process with them trying not to turn over the finances, him being giuliani, he's going to make it difficult for you guys to be able to do it. i want to emphasize something that lady ruby said about how she misses her name. there is a reason why america and others are able to easily say shaye moss, ruby freeman. we would not have known who they are other than the fact
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that they were defamed, elevated on a level in such a horrible way. is that ultimately the message that was heard and received by the members of the jury and d.c.? >> yes, i think so. this has been such an ordeal for them not to have their names, not to have the freedom to go about their business and do the things that they have always done. i think they would trade all of this for their prior lives to come back to the way that they are. the jury spoke on behalf of voiceless people like ruby and shaye. the hope is that the people who would say things like this about things that people were doing their jobs -- they will now understand that their lives have a price tag. >> so, von, you testified yourself at a bond revocation
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hearing for harrison floyd, one of the codefendants and donald trump's r.i.c.o. case which is being prosecuted by d.a. fani willis in fulton county. here is another thing some people might not know. harrison floyd showed up in the d.c. courthouse to allegedly show his support for rudy giuliani. let's be clear, he was indicted in fulton county for intimidating ruby freeman and shaye moss. do you think that harrison floyd is showing up in court was an attempt to intimidate miss freeman and miss moss? >> i can't say what it was from his perspective. it certainly was no mistake that he showed up in that courthouse. when he was there, who took out appropriate measures to ensure their safety. this just underscores the ridiculousness of this situation. we would have to scramble the way that we did when one person shows up, not knowing exactly
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what the intentions are. what is there to do? we had to take appropriate measures. i could not really speak to what he was intending with this appearance. i didn't actually see him. i faced the jury and i was handling things with the trial. it's unfortunate that that happened. >> that really underscores the point of why ruby and shaye brought this litigation among other litigation that they are going to do, this idea that they otherwise would have been able to live their lives privately and in peace. being a part of a judicial process, they have to worry about people like harris and floyd is showing up and not knowing what his intentions are. they don't know some of these faceless others who are going to show up as they did before to threaten them. >> that's right. i think ruby put it best. she doesn't know who she can give her name to when she leaves.
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you don't know who is who. you don't understand or know who might be watching or following. to live your life like that, it's terrifying. it's absolutely terrifying. no amount of money can and bring them back the amount of security that has been a lost in this case by virtue of the things that have been done to them. that's a very difficult thing that they are going to face likely for the rest of their lives. >> von dubose, as a fellow trial lawyer, hats off to you for that victory. we will look carefully to see what you guys decide to do next. thanks for joining us this morning. i really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> sure. coming up, batting 1000 times 700,000, baseball's l.a. dodgers break the bank to sign shohei ohtani to a record $700 million deal. why is he only getting $2 million a year? i will speak with the former president of the miami marlins and host of the nothing personal podcast david samson
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shohei ohtani is now the world's highest paid athlete. the superstar free agent just signed a record of 700 million dollar ten year contract with the l.a. dodgers. on thursday, the team officially introduced the 29 year old japanese phenom during a news conference at dodgers stadium. his contract is the largest in sports history, grossing soccer player and -- ohtani will receive $2 million annually over the next ten years with 680 million payable between 2034 to 2043 in what some are calling an unusual deferred structure. joining me now to break it all
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down is david samson, the host of nothing personal with david samson. it's great to see you. let's start. one of the most important questions -- mlb may not have a salary cap, but it is shohei ohtani worth $700 million? >> it's hard to say. he is a top rotation picture and the middle of the rotation bag. you are getting two players in one. he's likely a $35 million player on both sides but he's not pitching next year. he had surgery on his elbow and he's missing the entire year. it's not even positive when he will pitch again. they are saying it's too. thousand 25 as far as i'm concerned, he's not a 70 million dollar player. that's why they deferred so much money. it is like a 45 player. >> there will not be any limitations on the amount of deferred calmed or the percentage of total comped which is attributable to differed comp which is what a uniform players contract may
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provide for. how does that structure actually benefit the dodgers? >> that provision was down because the players union said, we don't want to stop players from getting paid as much as they can whenever they want to get paid. for the owners and president standpoint, we were fine with it because deferred deals, generally, sometimes you defer 50%, 20%. the dodgers have done some deferred money. nothing like this. 97% of the money deferred. i think the dodgers took advantage of an existing rule. they are really the only team who would be able to do it. i would expect this loophole to be claude closed in the next collective bargaining agreement. >> it's my understanding that this structure deal was actually shohei ohtani's idea. when he actually realizes that $680 million, he can do it in a tax free or friendlier away
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from a tax-free perspective. doesn't it reward both sides? it has a little bit more cash to be able to maybe build up the team around him. >> the luxury tax threshold isn't meant to be taken advantage of. shohei ohtani in the press conference said, i did this so the dodgers wouldn't have to pay any extra competitive balance tax. the contract president values down to about $43 million depending on the discount rate. from where i am sitting, they clearly were trying to get around it. the dodgers took advantage of it. the dodgers aren't going to come out and say, hey, it was my idea to stick a poker in the eye of every other team. shohei says it's his idea, which is fine. no one cares whose idea. as a consequential list, we only care about what actually happened. what happened it doesn't pass the smell test. $2 million now, $68 million
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later with no interest, which is not very good from the other standpoint. ohtani's agent gets to stay on the top of the mountain and say, i have the highest deal ever. because of no interest, when you look back, this sort of about 460 million. >> according to espn, ohtani's historic deal allows him to opt out if dodgers owner operations are no longer involved with the team. why is he willing to do this? >> i have never seen a provision like this. i called a bunch of my old players. i said, i can't believe what an idiot i am. i didn't ask for this. it's the greatest job security ever. the dodgers won't want ohtani to opt out. therefore, andrew friedman, the president of operations, should ask for a raise. what is funnier about this is
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that ohtani says he made the decision on a friday night after there were all sorts of rumors he could be going to toronto. maybe there was speed dating involved with the owner and gm. for me, the reason i have never seen it is i have never seen players actually care who the onerous and the gm is. they just want to have the chance to win. ohtani does have that. it's not as though he played for a bunch of slippers before. he was in los angeles, same market, different team. they signed a bunch of guys but they all ended up stinking or getting hurt. baseball now has a chance to have its best player play in october. that is why they look the other way. that's what they really want, shohei ohtani playing in front of a national and international stage. >> david, you never had a shohei ohtani player who wanted you to stay. that's why you sound a little sorry about it. i have less than a minute.
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does this mean that they are now going to be world series favorites? >> i think that they are. according to people who are betting, that's fine. when you look at the world series, it's rare for the team that is the favorite to win it because so many things have to go right in the month of october during the postseason. i don't know that the dodgers are better off than they were yesterday. they certainly have a nice dhs because it is all good. i will tell you right now that if you are not around, i will not be an msnbc. you are the key person for me. >> i got this shohei ohtani deal going on now with david. david simpson, happy holidays, my friend. it's good to see. i'm still bitter about that marlins stadium roof. just letting you know. >> get over it! >> [laughter] david, thanks for being here. my thanks to all of you for joining me this morning. my best wishes to you and yours for a safe and happy holiday.
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