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>> first of all, big amen to all of that. this hour, the former president doubling down, donald trump telling a crowd, immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country. and quoting vladimir putin, condemning american democracy. all well questions swirl about reports around a binder that's been missing, containing highly classified russian intelligence. >> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome, everyone to alex witt reports. we begin with the breaking news on capitol hill, top senate negotiators are scrambling right now to hammer out a bipartisan deal to fund the wars in both israel and ukraine. while also clamping down on u.s. border security with a framework needed by the end of today. nbc's julie tsirkin is reporting from capitol hill for us. julie, welcome. tell us who is negotiating there, and with the latest issue here on the talks? >> hey, alex, the next couple of hours we'll see the new consented to go cheaters once again hit the capital, senator sinema, chris murphy on the democratic side, and james lang

for the republican in the room. all set to sit down once again with secretary alejandro mayorkas. the biden's border chief gonna be here in the capital, to try to hammer out the last-minute sticking points, some major gaps that we reported on the last 24 hours, that include the changes to the parole system, tightening the administration's ability to unilaterally grant parole to migrants on a humanitarian basis. also when it comes to this asylum seeking process. you see some of those issues on your screen. just in the last couple of minutes,alex, i was able to obtain a note sent from the senate republican leader, mitch mcconnell, to his republican senate colleagues i want to review to praise laborers the galatians. but he said quote well there's progress being made in the border discussions. there are significant issues still under discussion in a lot of very tactical work on drafting which takes time to get right. he went on to say that, if leader schumer the democratic leader in the senate decides to put this bill on the floor,

half baked without text, in combination with that for a neighed to ukraine and israel, they will not have the votes to pass it. i want you to take a listen to what senator lindsey graham and senator kin chris, grooms a republican a democrat, close to hearing what is on the table today had to say about it earlier today. >> i think this will go into next year. i've been talking to the people at the table. the white house got engaged five days ago. they sent over a supplemental with border security provisions that did nothing to change policy. we feel like we're being jammed, we're not anywhere close to a deal. >> there's a lot of other things in this funding package that i strongly support. interdicting fentanyl at our border. strengthening border security. humanitarian relief. aid to our indo-pacific partners. support for israel. frankly, if we can come together on a border security deal that get bipartisan support, i will support. >> alex, here is why democrats in particular are racing to get

this done by the end of the year. the white house, remember, as warned congress that without funding, ukraine will lose this war. i have to tell you, i did talk to lindsey graham the senator about this a couple of days ago. he told me he doesn't buy that argument. certainly that is something the white house is paying attention to. when you have perhaps your most vocal of republican in the senate who support aid to ukraine. saying stuff like that. it is for all those reasons that it does not look likely like the senate is gonna be able to vote on it this week. it looks like this is something that will be punted into january. remember, the house is still out, nevertheless, in the next couple of hours, senator go shatters will be back in this building with mayorkas to try and see if they can get their. alex? >> i tell, you if they don't make an agreement today. that is certainly gonna ricochet around the world. but i thank you for that. we'll also be talking with representative jake auchincloss about that in just a little bit. thank you so much, julie. let's go to some more breaking news, u.s. defense secretary, lloyd austin arriving in bahrain today. on a last-minute trip to the middle east. where he will urge israel to scale back its military

operation in gaza. he will next make stops in both qatar and israel. prime minister netanyahu's hinted some new negotiations with qatar maybe underway to releasere hostages. he's under tremendous pressure to act with hundreds of protesting in tel aviv last night. after israel admitted three hostages waving and wake shift white flag were mistakenly killed in friendly fire by israeli soldiers. >> we cannot handle more death. we want them now here. >> it has broken my heart. it has broken the entire nation's heart. then we extend our deepest, deepest condolences to the families. >> however netanyahu says operations will continue in gaza despite the humanitarian crisis now spiraling out of control, as people are desperate for aid and law communications are slowly being restored after the longest blackout of this war. our nbc news reporters are covering the breaking developments in washington and overseas for us. we're gonna begin with nbc's

hala gorani joining us from tel aviv, israel. hello, welcome. what are you hearing about the potential for further hostage neal initiations? >> well, you played a short clip of what the prime minister netanyahu told his people under intense pressure to do more to get these hostages released. he is on a national apology drive. he realizes, due to his unpopularity, and the unpopularity with which his poll numbers suggest his handling of the hostage crisis in particular, as far as the families are concerned, as far as the qatari component here, it's very interesting. the prime minister said we have serious criticism of qatar about which i suppose you'll hear in due course. but right, now we are trying to complete the recovery of our hostages. hinting, as you said, alex, that negotiations could be restarted. hamas, for its part says, look.

no cessation of hostilities until you and attacks against palestinians once overall. hamas is saying that it indicated this to qatar, which maintains political relationships with the hamas leadership. as far as the prime minister's address to the nation, we played a short clip of. it this is a longer version of what he said after the israeli military admitted that it killed, by mistake, three hostages inside of gaza. listen. >> on the battlefield that they know the distance between such a victory and such a disaster is so, so tiny. between we learn the lessons, and we will continue exerting every effort, in every way possible to bring our hostages home. we are in a war for our existence. in this war, we have to continue until victory. despite the international pressure in the horrific toll

that is unbearable with the deaths of her children. >> the families of the hostages, many of them camped out side the defense ministry here in tel aviv. they're saying they're not gonna move until this government promises that it will do more to get their relatives and their loved ones out. and placed the fate of the relatives above they say military abe's. in the meantime, the israeli military operation continues with airstrikes with ground incursions and they are saying that more needs to be done to protect the lives of their loved ones. before any other goal, alex. this is also coming out a very heavy price for palestinians, of course. 90% of the gaza population is now homeless. and almost 19,000 have lost their lives. >> it is extraordinary, when you put on those terms. hala gorani tonight, thank you nonetheless. let's go from there to nbc's erin gilchrist at the white

house for us. aaron, welcome to you, on saturday, as you know an american warship in the red sea shot down a barrage of drones that were launched from yemen. what do you tell us about this attack? and also some of the details you may be privy to about secretary austin's meetings overseas. >> the defense secretary lloyd austin is in bahrain right now, in the key part of his conversations there will be what is happened in the red several times over the last several weeks. this latest incident happening friday night into saturday morning, as we understand it, the uss carney was able to shoot down 14 drones. they said one-way attack drones that were launched from hutu controlled parts of yemen. the yemeni's have said that those drones were launched at israel. their intention was to target a port city in israel. the uss carney was able to shoot them down and this is just the latest in a series of incidents in the red sea of drones and missiles being launched both at israel in a

commercial ships that the houthis have said they were somehow connected to israel's, a different point in time. i think we're gonna see from the secretary austin, while he's in bahrain, a conversation with the government there. and other partners in the region about these incidents and increasing security. this is something that is drawn a lot of attention, obviously, from the white house and from others in that region. because it is a threat to the global economy. there is a significant portion of the world's cargo ships that travel through this area. and we heard today from a member of the senate foreign relations committee about the concerns are around with the houthis are doing in the red sea. listen. >> i worry a lot about escalation. both in the red sea area, with the houthis, as you say we shot down there drones will start to keep an eye on the northern front. with hezbollah, this is why president biden sent two aircraft carrier groups to the region, to prevent that kind of

escalation. to send a message to iran, to hezbollah and others. look, i think the administration has been smart in terms of how it's responded to those attacks. as we said, secretary austin will be in bahrain to talk about what the u.s. can do along with partners in that region. there's a task force that's been formed to deal with maritime issues around the red sea. they're gonna be talking about how best to respond to this aggression by the houthis. which the administration has tied to iran as a major funder and munitions provider for the houthis in yemen. alex, we should also mention, obviously that secretary austin is going to be traveling to israel as well. a key very important part of this trip. there, were told by senior defense officials, that his intention is really to get an assessment of what is happening. this current phase of the war in gaza. that he will be drilling down on getting specifics about what the israelis are doing to mitigate the harm to civilians.

and also to increase the flow of humanitarian aid into understand what metrics the israelis are using to measure their success in terms of being able to transition into the next phase of their war effort against hamas. an effort that -- u.s. and others rather have been pushing the israelis around the world to is narrowed and focused just on hamas leadership, and fighters. to have less and less of an impact on the civilian population. alex? >> aaron gilchrist, thank you so much from the white house. appreciate that. he said what he said. next, the price for not taking donald trump seriously. we're back in 60 seconds. ck in 60 seconds steve? with a laundry detergent. (♪♪) gain flings. seriously good scent. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ rsv is out there. for those 60 years and older

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teach others about democracy. we have a lot of work to do. you know, when they lead, i think the real numbers, 15, 16 million people into our country, when they do that, we've got a lot of work to do. they're poisoning the blood of our country. that's what they've done. they've poisoned mental institutions, prisons all over the world. >> okay. donald trump, invoking vladimir putin and targeting immigrants in new hampshire yesterday. these are controversial phrase that he is been using for months. the biden campaign responding, comparing trump's rhetoric to adolf hitler. joining us now, nbc news national security analyst, former assistant director of intelligence at the fbi. welcome, my friend. let's get into this one. i'm curious what goes through your mind when you hear this kind of vitriol from donald trump. >> alex, i've got to tell you, i'm stuck at a loss for words. when you have a candidate, a leading candidate, by the way, for his party's nomination for presidents, quoting our

adversary, vladimir putin, to claim that somehow we are less than a democracy, or that it democracy is a charade, we need to pay attention. trump's adulation for putin and other dictators, including presidents she of china, in conjunction of korea, he tells us who he's modeling himself after and what that tells us about a next potential trump administration. that is really cringeworthy. >> look, he has this enormous lead, frank, among republican presidential candidates. it is not like he has to lead to the extreme right, right, to secure votes. is he reminding us exactly who he is, and what he will do it given the keys to the oval office again? how risky is it to not take him seriously? >> he is clearly, for told two

he's going to, be who he is, and what's at stake here. i urge everyone to read the current version of the atlantic magazine. they've devoted their entire issue to the possibility of trump when, i know what that administration would look like. and his own words, he said in response to sean hannity questioned during an interview, he, said, well we'll only be a dictator on day one. well, let's just take him at his word. that first day, let's assume he'll only be a dictator for one day, that first day would be a hell of a day. cabinet secretaries nominated who are anti-democracy, heads of doj, fbi, d.o.d., all put in place who want to dissemble our democracy. >> 24 hours can be an awfully long time to be able to do that. let's move to what nbc news has learned, which is that senate intelligence committee was briefed two years ago on that binder that has gone missing in the final days the trump administration. this official, who's familiar

with the meter, says this containehighly classified information on therussian election interference. so what kind of intelmight be included there? at are the risks of being out there in the public realm? >> yeah, this is animportant question. i think a lot of people will look at this and sayis there anything we don't know in there? we've certainly seen through the mueller report that russia did indeed try to interfere with the election, we had the senate intelligence committee last time around. the, up they said russia interfered. so what's new here? what is troubling here is that this missing binder that is electively ten inches thick is filled with unredacted bronte elgin's reporting. that means a person who's positioned and knows, who is reading this, like maybe a russian, official can easily discern sources and methods. so for example, if it says in the state, vladimir putin had this conversation, but this person, that reveals to the human sources, or whether there's a microphone in putin's office or not. all of that could literally get

somebody killed, or cause us to lose well-placed technical methods that are in place. it's a mystery as to where this goes. i can tell you from my own experience briefing the house and senate intelligence committee, the decision to brief the senate intel committee on a loss is triggered by what's known as a significant development, or significant bridge or compromise of intelligence. that means our intelligence committee said we need to tell you something, we still can't find this, binder and we think we're compromised. >> here's what's interesting. i'm curious how a mistake like this could happen, you mentioned, at ten inches. that is a big binder, doesn't just slip out under somebody's coat. i'm curious how it happens, one of, course this is a binder that is brought over by someone with high security clearance, and it is put into a safe within a safe, to be kept safe. at times. how does this even, and the timing of learning about it right now, why?

>> it speaks generally, of course, to the completely cavill year administration towards classified documents that were all familiar with what the mar-a-lago administration, which is striking in delay after delay. there's no accountability yet for how they handle classified administration, but it's interesting. this is an attempt by the trump administration to declassify, give us everything you got on the origins of crossfire hurricane's, we want to get that out expose a. but, that's not all ten inches of the binder. we've seen a lot of this, and his emails with the legal front at the fbi, but what we haven't seen is the rest of us in the binder, which is indeed, how russia did attempt interfere with the election. that never made it out, thankfully, because the intel community was screaming, don't do, it is going to reveal too much about our methods. we have two people saying that where the last in the binder.

cassidy hutchinson says look, when her book, i think i saw this walk up with mark meadows, chief of staff. last hours of the administration, drove off. you know who else has mark models? donald trump has now said, yes, meadows has it. the next question is, what does the special counsel do about this? what is doj do about this missing binder? the evidence is that it appears the former chief of staff hasn't. should be we looking at a search warrant of meadows? is this a part of jackson's investigation? have they wrote this into, that opened a new case of grand jury on meadows? we've got to know what happened with this binder, and more importantly, whether this was a mere accident, or whether the intention was to hand it to russia to expose u.s. intel sources and methods against russia. >> you're absolutely, right to point out, make it that's cassidy hutchison made those comments behind closed doors and testimony to the 16 committee investigating the insurrection. and addition, you have mark

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the hill today trying to hammer out a deal about the security. the republicans in the house senate, they signal that they think these negotiations won't be over today.

>> the deal between the senate and the white house is going to be much different than the house and the overall. >> i think we're being gems, we're nowhere close to a deal. we are going to next year. >> joining me now, democratic congressman from massachusetts. welcome to the show. it's good to see you. lindsey graham there saying he expects negotiations will vote on next year, what do you hear so far, and how difficult to think it'll be to get whatever bill they come up with the afternoon passed in the house? do you have any read on the world speaker johnson might play? >> good afternoon, alex. thanks for having me on. predicting timetables in the senate is a hazardous business. i am confident that ultimately the senate is going to get to a deal after the president's direct involvement has moved forward considerably. the significant question is whether speaker johnson steps up to this moment, helps pass what could be the most consequential bipartisan legislation up the 118th

congress, or whether he continues his pattern of the short tenure. shrinking in front of his maga base. that is why i think it is especially important custom across give this test, whatever it's released, a fair hearing. border security can be a progressive win just as much as a conservative one. these drug cartels are multinational corporations, their trafficking humans, and drugs, with the collusion of the chinese communist party. they're creating some of the most grotesque human rights violations and the western hemisphere. taking them on, tightening border security, could be a progressive win as well as a win that conservatives can take home to their districts. >> 100%, i agree with. you let's give the senate a little more time today and see what they can come up, with not just consider, are based on lindsey graham's verbiage, that is not going to happen. the white house met with the leaders the hispanic congress. there were concerns that the

biden administration will make too many concessions, in exchange for more ukraine and israel funding. how far should negotiations go to get a deal? >> i'm not going to negotiate against myself in the open, here i'm not going to watch the paper get passed back and forth in the senate. i think that democrats broadly, including president, biden are rightfully skeptical of republican border proposals giving the trump legacy of human rights violations and undermining of due process at the border. that doesn't mean that we don't have significant challenges at the, border that there aren't bipartisan potential compromises to fix that. the borders not secure right now. we have way more crossings than it was designed to handle. we have significant trafficking of drugs in humans, 100,000 americans are dying of fentanyl every year, it's getting worse, including in my district. we need to do something. the president needs to do, something not just for the good

of the country, but, frankly politically as well. >> and i may ask you one question about republicans, and what's driving them to be so hard line on supporting more ukraine funding. stand-alone address that. >> it's a single word, alex, if trump fell down tomorrow, got a concussion, decided that he was actually anti-ukraine, we see a magical one 80 and the house republican conference. most of these numbers, that a personal level, intellectual level, understand that u.s. investment in ukraine has been the best national security in the 21st century, we have strengthened the u.s. military industrial base, we have helped stand for freedom and democracy on the eastern edge of europe. we have created the military capacity, we sense a message to beijing that the united states is here to stay, not just in your, all but in the end of pacific, all of that for 10% of what we spend annually on the pentagon's budget. this is good foreign policy.

if we can, ron it'll be a disaster for our allies and for overseas standing. republicans understand, that but they're afraid of donald trump. >> speaking of overseas, the defensive lloyd austin is in the middle east, today urging israel to wind down its ground offensive and take a more targeted approach against hamas. does the u.s. have any influence over benjamin netanyahu in this moment? >> yes. we've seen that influence play out over the last two months. humanitarian corridors, more surgical operations in the south, more in the north. i think there are direct results of president biden's engagement. most importantly, the hostage negotiations, with president biden really brought into existence to shuttle diplomacy between qatar and israel, and other actors in the middle east. absolutely, the daily engagement has been critical, and it's going to have to continue, because ultimately, until hamas is dismantled, there's not going to be a sustainable solution for this

tragic conflict. >> as you, know the president described the bombing of gaza as indiscriminate. in fact, many people around the world say the u.s. is complicit as it's the main supplier of military equipment for israel. are israel's actions compatible with u.s. values? >> yes. israel is waging a nightmare risk conflict. no one wants to see this war continue. also, nobody has articulated a counterfactual that is pragmatic and sustainable. israel, if they were to lay down arms tomorrow, and hamas were able to take over governance and causes yet again, we would perpetuate the cycle of violence. hamas has walked through every cease-fire it's ever been negotiated. it's killed indiscriminately, civilians in israel. it has -- in gaza, and it will continue to do so for so long as it is an existence.

hamas cannot be part of a solution. hamas has got to be dismantled. ideally, how moss would sign on to the law of our conflict, releases hostages, stop using palestinians as human shields, engage the idf as combatants. this would hugely, hugely lower the human cost of this war. there terrorists, or not willing to do that. this is the conduct that israel has to wage. >> all, right massachusetts democrat, very good to see. you happy holidays and i don't speak to you before. thank you. coming up later, the trump legal team goes back to the drawing board and back to the drawing board, back to the drawing board. the curious pattern developing in this civil fraud case. first, the big we can wash up. up to six inches of rainfall in florida. what it's expected to do as it heads north. heads north. and it began her family's touching story that is still going on today. vicki: childhood cancer, it's just hard.

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to maine are under flood alerts today. rain, winds, 50 miles an hour are expected with the heaviest downpours in the mid-atlantic this evening, the new england tomorrow morning. let's go to nbc's george soliz, he's on the path of storm in philadelphia. welcome to. you talk about the conditions, what they're like right now, what's expected there. >> get up to noon, alex. right, now things are fairly calm. we know this could be the calm before the storm. we saw those images out of the carolinas, out of the panhandle there, florida. you see those winds, you see that rain, as we approach this holiday travel week, this could be a nightmare scenario for those millions packing their bags, trying to get to their destinations. we know that when we see those delays, they will snowball across the country. we are monitoring this. we are also looking at the severe threat of flooding from maine and georgia. you have ve flash flooding warnings that are going to go into effect. we've already seen some flooding down in florida this week. you have some power outages as

a result of those really strong winds, those 45, 50, sometimes 65 mile an hour winds. obviously nothing is nailed down, you have christmas decorations that will be flying all over the place. right now, as we are here in philadelphia, awaiting the arrival of that storm, it's a question of how much accumulation of rain we will see. whether three, four, five, even six inches. again, we talk about florida, what you're seeing. they're some people are bracing for the worst. some people think they might underestimate, at take a listen. >> it's brutal. i can't even believe that. we flew in here in the wind, it was crazy. >> we went to dinner at this really nice rashad but obviously it's like really cold. i did my hair and i walked outside and it ruined debt. >> it was super windy. i almost couldn't walk, but it was fine. >> yeah, alex, of course many were wondering how this is going to overall impact travel. there's more than 100 million

expected to hit the road for this holiday travel period. good news, it does look like it will clear up sometime after monday afternoon. make no mistake, with all that rain and that wind, heading this way, mid-atlantic all the way to the northeast, a lot of people are keeping a close watch on the system that's already wreaking havoc on the carolinas, as we saw in florida, alex. >> thank you, but not looking forward to it. thank you so much, george soliz. you heard what donald trump said about immigrants, but what will he actually do if reelected? plus, how the gop pushes helping president president biden. she was always out of breath. that's when i decided to introduce the farmer's dog to her diet. it's just so fresh that she literally gets bubbles in her mouth. now she's a lot more active, she's able to join us on our adventures. and we're all able to do things as a family. ♪ get started at betterforthem.com right now, as the hamas porter

deal hangs in the balance on capitol hill, donald trump is doubling down on attacking immigrants. in a new hampshire rally on saturday, the front runner, spewing comments widely condemned for echoing whites supremacist rhetoric. >> i have a lot of work to do. they're poisoning the blood of our country. that's what they've done. they've poisoned mental institutions and prisons all over the world. not just in south america, not just three or four countries, but all over t. they're coming into our country om africa, from asia, all orld. >> well the biden campaign responded just a few minutes ago saying, quote,tonight donald trump channel to his roleodels as he paired it out of hitler, praised him jo and quoted vladimir putin while running for president on a

promise to rule is a dictator and threaten american democracy. joe is not shine away from his plan to lock up millions of people into detention camps. >> joining me, now political strategist and republican strategist, susan giokos, eo and florida congressman, david jolly. all nbc political analyst. good to see all of. you let's get to you first. trump is not just repeating his inflammatory rhetoric about rhetoric's, he is getting the possum hill can allies. let's take a listen to what senator graham had to say today. here's it is. >> we're talking about language. i could care less what language people use as long as we get it right. we have chaos, and we need to create order. if you think you're going to win the debate on illegal immigration by picking a line out of the trump speech? if you're talking about the language trump uses, them trying to fix, said that's a losing strategy for the biden administration. >> okay, what's your response?

did lindsey graham religious say that language of a potential president doesn't matter? >> he did say that, he's emboldening the supporters of the donald trump controlled republican party. unfortunately, that is spewing not only this language, but this language has influenced a lot of black people, asian people, immigrants, lgbtq folks, the list goes on and on. people, particularly marginalized people of color feel extremely unsafe under donald trump's america. this isn't just rhetoric, it is gasoline on the flame that unfortunately pushes people further to the shadows, this is what democrats need to continue to elevate, in the many things you have to talk about when it comes to the 2024 election, and the dangers of a donald trump. one wants to make sure that people, color black people, people who look like, me do not

feel welcome in this, contrary and that his supporters have a, right to go after them. that is where this language takes, says it's dangerous, reprehensible, that a city member of the senate is going to brush it off. i don'tpect much for the republicannato in the republican house right now. >> david,migration is certainly a big deal in the state of florida. trump has said that if he's reelected, he's going to finish the border wall, reinstitute travel, bands launch mass deportation. he is also had launched birthright citizenship for children of immigrants living in the country illegally. these are harsh policies. to people not take his rhetoric seriously? >> i think that they do. they want at. i think that we have to recognize that it represents a hard line zima phobic policy. we also have to call it racist. i know that we're cautious with the use of that word, but to

have donald trump, the former president, arguably the front runner returning to the white house today, suggesting that him are immigrants or poisoning the blood of america, that's a racist statement. it suggests that donald trump harbors racism himself, or is willing to pedal it for political game. it is a cultural conversation in addition to oppose a conversation. a hard one for the biden administration to tackle. i think those of us in the media need to tackle it, and realize that donald trump said last night's racists. we need to call it that. >> okay, point well taken. thank you for that, david. susan, if democrats cut a border deal with harsher policies, will it help president biden's 2024 prospects amongst americans who are frustrated with the influx of migrants who are streaming across the border, or might it alienate progressives? >> i think at the end of the, day it will help president biden, if he can get this through. it will give people who really are hesitant about coming out to support biden for reelection,

not that they are going to vote for trump, but they are going to stay home. i think a policy like, this achieving something like, this will, in the, end benefits the general election. that doesn't mean that it's biden's team, they should be in the field right now, building coalitions, and a lot of different issues, with many many groups who are campaigning even though it's a national caai. yet. is what biden has not done >> let's switch gears to talk about the biden hment inquiry. it is now, on tan right they are going to backfire do more to elect the president than anything the biden campaign could. do as an impeachment without evidence of a crime, this fills the news, independent voters will see right through republicans in a system and reelect president biden. do you think that's true? do you agree? >> i 100% agree. we knew this was a sham investigation for the republicans to do donald

trump's bidding. that is actually nothing for them there. i am painted tension to the 18 republicans that were voted into office in the biden district. what are they going to tell their supporters? what are republicans going to tell all of their supporters after reelection, when they were sent to congress to pass legislation? they barely passed any legislation. their focus on the sham investigations. it's a waste of taxpayer dollars, and there is nothing but giving democrats a whole lot to run on when it comes to campaign ads. it gives us airtime to show what will republicans do when they have these, goals versus when democrats have control. we'll get things done. republican strategist are saying that this will backfire because impeachment rolls into an incumbent president tend to rally that base around the presidents.

democratic voters will see this as a wake up call, the same way republican voters warmed up to donald trump 2020 amid his impeachment. timing of all this? do you agree? >> i largely agree, but i think it depends on the posture. the white house has to continue to crush the factual narrative of. thus they have been dismissive of it because they factually they're not there. the trump doj had for years to investigate this, and did not come up with anything. we notice that. therefore publicans go down this narrative unchecked, i think that the white house has the lead in a crash this. and having to go there. alex, i say impeach joe biden, not because it's been in the work for years, but because did not impeach him now would be republicans giving him exoneration. >> david, how could they do that if they have no proof? >> because facts don't matter.

the politics to. the hunter biden sizzle has been something that they have carried for four years, and they want to tie to joe biden. it doesn't matter if the facts are there. that is why the white house needs over tarred senate democrat, or someone who can finish his sentence is for him. things like him. gets out, there are questions house republicans on this narrative and humiliates them in front of voters. there is a consequence to republicans next november. >> let's get to the economy with you, suzanne, is not really adding up. with real wages, there was a faster than inflation. unemployment is at a five-year low, nearly, and yet, two thirds of americans say that the economy is poor not good. presidents get blamed under south under their watch, also get praise for the good stuff. biden does not seem to be getting any credit for this, what is that, and what can he do about it? >> right now, people don't feel that way. they go to the grocery store,

trying to buy a house, they see prices are going, up and what's more, they also see that they can't really beat the inflation prices, even though things are getting better. we can't say things are better, it's what happened in 2022 with crime. it is not something that works. you have to have people feel that way. i think, if they lower interest rates in 2024, which we believe they, are because they are coming into a soft landing, these lower interest rates will allow people to start, again looking to fine, home buying a card, lower interest rates on their credit card bills. then their dollar will start to go a little further, but it is a mistake to keep telling people, your, wrong you are at the economy is great. it doesn't work that way. >> okay. it's great to see all three of you guys, thank you so much. and they say that their time is the charm, but not a trump's

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refusing to move on after defeat with two new filings in his ne civ fraud trial. he filed another appeal of the gag order after a mid level appeals court ruled against him. and a fit motion for a directed verdict and the case. judge archer has already objected such motions four times. former federal prosecutor and deputy chief of the division of the southern district of new york. welcome, kristie. do you get the vibe of someone repeatedly banging their head into the same spot on a brick wall? is there a best say scenario where trump could see a breakthrough? >> no, there really isn't. i mean, they try. the defense attorneys tried earlier in the week after they close their defense teams to

try to move to a direct verdict. the judge shut this down and said there is no way i'm going to grant. that you can submit that, but there is no way i'm going to grant that. so this is really going nowhere. it was an interesting week in the fact that the state also put on a rebuttal case after the direct verdict came in. and they put on one of their witnesses who was a real estate broker, a former rsvp of the organization to talk about that evaluation of the tripling of the apartments. it was interesting because he testified, then he was not even allowed to inspect the space, that the number came from cfo allen weisselberg. would you have sort of this fraud, all of this trial is about is looking at intent to defraud and materiality. liability has already been decided on one cause of action. we have a number of other causes of action, where those of the two critical points. when you're not even letting the person do the evaluation and inspect the space, to determine the size of it, it's

pretty key for making a determination here that their fraud. it's kind of like the guy is 56 and he claims in a dating app that he's 65. when he shows up to the day, you'll see, oh, that's inflated your height a little betsy. are going to, say you are a liar, it's pretty blatant frd. i don't, i don't think this is going anywhere for the organization. >> let me ask you about a significant his week. now that jack smith has leaked fraud to the appeals pr and asked the supreme court to decide the question of whether trump is entitled to immunity, trump's legal team ce a supreme courline on wednesday, then d.c. appeals court deadlines for december 23rd to january 2nd. so trump complained that jack smith's russian. will smith's successfully preempt trump's usual delay, delay, delay tactic? >> so, you are right. the trump team is complaining that jack smith was cringe,

that he's ruining their holidays, that the argument they make and their paper, at least of the d.c. circuit is haste makes waste. this isn't something you should be pushing through, it's an important decision we need time to do. they know what their arguments are and the standards for the supreme court is whether or not they will take this up without a d.c. circuit. is this an issue of imperative public importance? that is the standard. it's hard to see a case where that would not be more the truth. really, democracy hangs in the balance as to what they're this happens before ecti. if not, this case goes away. >> that's true. let me ask you a question about georgia, where the d.a., fani willis, as more of trump's 18 codefendants could join against him, adding it's a silly notion that his case should be paused because he's running for

office. who do you think would be first interested in that deal? >> it's hard to say. i think there are some individuals in the piece of the scheme. there are a number of defendants that have already pled guilty like scott hall, as to that county scheme. i think the others that were charged in that scheme, they may flip, but are those who had direct interactions with the actions at the top of the indictment, no. i don't think those individuals are going to necessarily help in this case against the higher ups. she will continue to work are way up the ladder. >> many thanks. that's going to do it for me on this edition of alex what reports. my friend, nancy vossoughian, about 15 feet away, she continues our coverage right