extra planning so you can keep those grinches away over the holidays. >> it was may. i stole your christmas. >> there are some silver linings. according to security dot org, most of the time, you should be able to get your package back and another package delivered to you, but you might be asked for proof of a theft or a police report. even if you get another package, yasmin, we are talking about something which costs money. a 2021 study found that on average first delivery failures in the u.s. cost around $17. there are questions about how that money might wind up in prices that we are paying down the line. yasmin? >> it's also so disappointing. i've had packages stolen over the last few years from our building lobby. it's always so disappointing to be waiting for something, the excitedly wanting to give it to the person that you love, and then it's not there and you have to go through the rigmarole of making sure you

get it again. jesse kirsch, thank you. made none of your packages be stolen. we have a lot more coming up. we are watching the msnbc. our second hour starts right now. e msnbc. our second hour starts right now. hi everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. welcome. if you are sticking with us, we are grateful for that. breaking news, immigration reform with aid to ukraine. it's not good news for those hoping for a vote this week. donald trump pouring gasoline on the immigration debate with violent new rhetoric that immigrants are, quote, poison in the blood of our country. it's not at all subtle. some allies are not ready to condemn it. >> what about his language? that language, that poisoning the blood -- >> i am worried about an outcome. >> are you comfortable with him using words like that? >> you know, we are talking

about language. i could care less what language people use as long as we get it right. >> was not the right language, though? i'm going to speak to congressman gerry connolly about all of this. they got a nearly $150 million judgment against rudy giuliani and they might not be done yet. >> today is not the end of the road. we still have work to do. rudy giuliani was not the only one who spread lies about us. others must be held accountable too. >> donald trump could be next to face a defamation lawsuit from georgia election workers. this comes as the former president's legal team faces a looming deadline. they have just days to respond to the supreme court on the question of claims a presidential immunity. we are also following pressure on the israeli prime minister on several fronts from his own citizens angered over the

mistaken shooting of three hostages. more on that ahead as well. we want to begin with the latest on negotiations in washington as senate minority leader mitch mcconnell tells his gop colleagues that progress is being made but there will likely not be a vote this coming week as talks continue today. hispanic lawmakers are expressing real concerns about what democratic lawmakers -- must pass in order to approve aid for ukraine and israel as well. i want to bring back nbc congressional correspondent julie tsirkin on capitol hill for us. julie, the white house met with the congressional hispanic caucus yesterday. were they able to provide any reassurances here in these negotiations? >> not really. i'm told by sources who are in that meeting, part of the congressional hispanic caucus, that includes their leadership, hispanic senators, they were pretty frustrated.

i think they were worried that the white house is getting closer and closer to agreeing with some of these provisions that they have set before. they are moving in the direction of trump era policies, especially when it comes to restricting what the administration can do when it comes to parole authority, when it comes to deporting migrants or detaining migrants, all proposals which have major sticking points at this hour, i am told, but all that are on the table. i recently heard from the chair of the hispanic caucus who told nbc news in a statement in sponse to our reporting about the meetg yesterday, she said, quote, the white house and administration have not been in -- their involvement. this is in response to the white house saying they have been able to engage with them. the president and the white house have not been very responsive to our request. this is certainly frustration

they are voicing behind the scenes. it's also very much in public especially after the meeting yesterday when secretary mayorkas was effectively shuttling between the hill where he was sitting down with negotiators and back to the white house where he was on zoom with some of these critical officials. that being said, they have assured hispanic leaders they will keep them looped when it comes to the progress that they are making on this deal. as you reference, we do have that note as well for mcconnell, the one he sent to his republican colleagues praising james lankford, one of the negotiators in the room, but saying it's not enough for them to be able to vote on any supplemental package which ties immigration to aid to ukraine to israel. the senate is still expected to come back tomorrow unless schumer had ordered them to do. in less than an hour, we will see in the negotiators back in a room here on capitol hill with secretary mayorkas where they still hope to get to some kind of framework, something they can put on paper, even if there are gaps there to show to

colleagues. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. i want to continue this conversation with gerry connolly. he is a member of both the oversight and foreign affairs committees. he's wearing quite a festive tie with snowmen on it, by the way, which we can appreciate during the holiday season. thank you for joining us on this. >> my pleasure. >> before we get into the specifics of a potential immigration bill like i was talking about with my call in julie tsirkin on the ground in washington, i want to play for you the sound of former president donald trump talking about immigration, referring to it in a certain way. i will tell you what the president has said and the white house has said, essentially, he is parroting adolf hitler here with these words. let's listen. >> when they left, i think the real number is 15 or 16 million people into the country, we have a lot of work to do. they are poisoning the blood of our country. that is what they have done. >> poison in the blood of our

country. what do you make of it? >> it's directly out of the 1930s naughty playbook. i believe he deliberately shows that language. he is going full blown fascist. it is despicable. lindsey graham was equivocating about that. words do matter. words lead to action. words often lead to violent action. that phrase, what he invoked, should be condemned by every republican of conscience and all of us on the democratic side as well. it's not acceptable language from someone who was president and seeks to be president. >> congressman, i want to shift, e can, to immigration policies and talk about the negotiations ongoing. we have current and former officials with the department of homeland security warning that some of the policies being discussed could overwhelm the system, potentially mandating

undocumented migrants being held in i.c.e. detention,. are you going to vote on it if this is part of the final bill? >> you know, it's a small group of people in the senate who are negotiating a border security arrangement. apparently, they have now spilled over into immigration policy. we have not seen any of the details. we have seen the reports that you have seen. i can tell you that most people, including me, won't support a return to trump era policies that were inhumane. we want a workable, secure, accountable, transparent immigration policy. we want secure borders. there is a lot of talk about deportation and restrictions of parole, restrictions of people seeking asylum.

those things are hot button issues throughout the country and certainly in the democratic side of the aisle. there is no way this passes without strong democratic support in the house and the senate. if we are looking at highly controversial provisions which are going to really cause grief and consternation in the immigrant immunity on democrats, i think they need to consult with the prior membership of the house and the senate if they have any chance of passing. e ho>> let's talk about the houe impeachment inquiry into the president. you are on the oversight committee which is helping lead the probe. ed kilgore wrote this for new york magazine. this inquiry, he wrote, this out best an authorization of a fishing expedition for evidence of misconduct which doesn't seem to exist at the moment. at worst, it is a phony baloney procedure. how do you see this? how do democrats view this and

combat this going into 2024? >> i said to the oversight committee, one of those three committees of inquiry, and i said on the weaponization select committee that jim jordan and company created -- i am not seeing a shred of anything that comes even close, even by inference, to implicate the president in any wrongdoing of any kind. therefore, it is an evidence free inquiry. they spent a whole year trying to prove something. they proved nothing. even prominent republicans have said they don't see evidence at all. they have enshrined it all after the fact in a vote to have a formal inquiry which is really all about enforcing subpoenas which is ironic given the fact that jim jordan himself provided a subpoena.

i think this is a distraction to try to damage joe biden in the presidential election year and to try to seek it tit-for-tat given the fact that donald trump was impeached twice. >> you said prominent republicans have said they haven't seen the evidence, yet, for instance, dave joyce said he had not seen any evidence to supportpeacent. he voted in favor of an impeachment inquiry. are you worried about the process of impeachment becoming politicized? have we crossed that line? >> impeachment ought to be a rare power exercised by congress. historically, it has been rare. it cannot just be a political tool like any other tool to try to discredit. i say shame on those who mocked the republicans who rationalize their vote. this is not voting for impeachment, it's voted to

formalize an inquiry. based on what? why not have the courage to say the truth? there is no evidence? i am not going to vote for it until i have substantial evidence presented, cause needs to be there. there is no cause. i think that that was a shameless vote to provide political coverage with their base, damaging institutions of government and frankly abusing a very important power residing in the constitution of the united states. >> congressman gerry connolly, thank, you sir. appreciate it. >> happy holidays. >> special counsel jack smith takes trumps in the newly request all the way to the supreme court, but at what risk? demanding a deal -- families of the more than 100 hostages still being held by hamas want to see restart and the negotiations for their release. is one already underway? we will be right back. is one already underway? we will be right back. we will be right back. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down.

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israel for another deal to release the remaining hostages. it's happening as the israeli military admits it mistakenly killed three hostages held by hamas. thousands of people took to the streets of tel aviv over the weekend to protest their deaths. even netanyahu is hinting at negotiations involving the qataris to get the remaining hostages home. today, he told his cabinet that israel will continue to, quote, fight until the end. as israel continues its air and ground offensive in gaza, at the same time, the humanitarian crisis worsens. for the first time, an aid convoy entered gaza through the kerem shalom crossing. good to talk to you once again, hala. benjamin netanyahu is not closing the door to negotiations to try to get the hostages home, likely more compelled now than ever. what more do we know about that? >> well, i don't think he has

been under more pressure than he is now in terms of having to find a way to get more hostages out. that accidental killing of the three hostages has caused widespread consternation not just among the families of the hostages but ordinary israelis. there were spontaneous demonstrations yesterday when the news came out. these three men had exited a building. they were carrying a makeshift surrender flag. they were shirtless. despite all of that, they were shot dead. as far as negotiations for a renewed cease-fire, these really prime minister netanyahu is hinting at perhaps renewed efforts to get to, i shouldn't say peace, i'm so sorry. i'm really jumping about ten steps here ahead. the qatari foreign ministry

issued a statement on saturday saying qatar affirmed its ongoing diplomatic efforts to renew the humanitarian pause. we're now hearing this from several sources, both qatar and what we are hearing from the israeli prime minister. as far as the streets of tel aviv, there is a lot of frustration as well. we heard from the cousin of a man held in gaza. this is what she told our crew in tel aviv after the news. >> this is our worst nightmare coming to life. every day, i fear for his life. i fear that he will be hurt by the israeli army, by hamas, by everyone. >> well, the families, some family members of the hospital actually camped outside of the

ministry of defense, demanding that their government do more to get their loved ones out. >> hala, i know that many of the israelis who have been protesting are very focused on the feature of the hostages and getting them home. that is their number one priority. i'm wondering if they have talked about the folks that you have been seeing and speaking with in the streets of tel aviv. how do they foresee their future government in israel? what do you hear about that? >> according to polls, benjamin netanyahu is that his most unpopular. 80% of people think he should resign and just step down immediately, that he should not be the want to prosecute this war. that being said, despite the protests you are seeing a, in marches in cities like london, overall, the support for the military is extremely high, 70%, 80% if you take all of those who believe that there should

be a military operation full stop. there is kind of that disconnect were you have the man asked the top. the israeli prime minister is prosecuting this war which by and large is considered legitimate by most israelis. the prime minister is being blamed for the intelligence failures which led to october 7th but a whole host of other things. there were anti netanyahu protests across the streets of tel aviv and other big cities. this is also a man who is facing many criminal prosecutions as well. >> thank you so much for putting that in context. we appreciate it. the white house steps up the pressure on israel to dial back an offensive in gaza. is prime minister netanyahu listening? dennis ross here to talk more about that.

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lawyers for donald trump hav until this wednesday to respond to a petition made cial prosecutor jack smith to the pre court in the federal election interference trial. he's urging the nation's highest court to step in early and decide at trump's presidential immunity claim. the justices could intervene or let the appeal process play out in the d.c. circuit. joining me now is nbc news justice reporter ryan wylie to talk more about this. what should we expect, ryan, to see this week when it comes to the supreme court's decision, the timeline? >> this is really all about clock management. that's what everyone has their eye on because of how quickly the election is approaching. all of these trials really matter. everything is sort of on hold

because of this pending before the d.c. circuit. jack smith wants to speed this up. they acknowledge that an extraordinary move but they also said this is an extraordinary case. most legal scholars agree that he was not acting in his official capacity as president during the axis alleged in the indictment. he was acting for his own personal benefit or for his own campaign. this can ultimately go to trial ahead of the election. it's going to happen in the middle of the campaign. whether it happens ahead of -- >> i just want to ask you about giuliani as well in the verdict there. have we learned anything about whether ruby freeman and shaye moss are going to go after other offenders, like the former president? >> there is the potential for

that. a lot of people made these false claims. they continue to be made today. rudy giuliani added on additional statements after the verdict. the original claims or support-able. that is a new allegation that he is making even after he gets hit with 100 and $48 million results here. this is what people are continuing to believe. these allies have been proven time and time and time again. >> but connolly ryan reilly. when those free speech cross the line? when those free speech cros the line >> i am quoted as saying death to palestinians. i never said that, ever. a look at the growing number of people who are now jobless after posting their opinionsrae. about the israel-hamas war about the israel-hamas war so when minds grow, opportunities follow.

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israel-hamas war and if a secretary lloyd austin is in the middle east and expected in israel tomorrow as part of the multi day trip that includes stops in qatar and bahrain as well. his visit is coming as israeli prime bibi netanyahu has so far rebuffed u.s. efforts to get israel to scale back its offensive. and as thousands of protesters march on tel aviv after the idf killed three hostages in gaza,

questions are being raised over the military's strategy. we want to bring in nbc's erin gilchrist from the white house with more on this. aaron, good to talk to you. the defense secretary is set to discuss the wars next phase with israeli leaders. netanyahu said on friday he would not allow the palestinian authority to run gaza after the war. is that position something biden is willing to accept? >> i think no is the short answer on that. the president has said and his national security adviser and secretary of state have also said that the biden administration wants to see a palestinian authority in charge in gaza and the west bank when this war is over. president reiterated the point that they want to see a revitalized and revamped palestinian authority in charge in gaza. obviously, that is something these rallies have said is not going to be happening, certainly not in short order after the war effort and there. but the biden administration, through jake sullivan, the national security adviser, who was in the west bank on

thursday, i believe it was, the biden administration is trying to rally support around the region for helping to create what a revitalized and revamped palestinian authority might look like, so that it can actually operate side by side with israel. the administration has, said the president has said himself that they do want to see a two-state solution where both palestinians and israelis are able to live side by side and feel safe and secure at the same time. that is something the administration is continuing to work toward. obviously, it is still showing great support for israel and what it's doing against hamas and gaza, but they say that they do want to see the end result be one where there are palestinians and israelis living side by side again. >> aaron gilchrist for us, thank you, appreciate it. i want to bring in ambassador dennis, ross the former u.s. envoy to the middle east. ambassador, thanks for joining us on this. appreciate it. defense acrylate austin, as i just mentioned, we'll be in israel tomorrow. the biden administration, the president has said it wants

israel to end its large scale ground campaign in gaza. the prime minister has said even today that israel will, quote, fight until the very end. i want to read for folks part of an op-ed that you wrote at the end of october for the new york times. you say this, for israel to reduce the pressure from its native -- neighbors and its internatna community to stop its attack, it must demonstrate more nvinngly that it is fighting hamas and is not trying to punish palestinian civilians. israel's political leaders need to clearly and publicly emphasize they believe gaza and lift the siege after hamas has been militarily defeated and largely disarmed. they must communicate that they understand apolitical resolution is needed with the palestinians, more generally. do you still believe this is true now and how in fact what they do that? >> the short answer is, yes, i still believe it is true. i think it is easier for the administration to buy the

israelis time and space to achieve this objective. we and israelis have the same strategic objective, which is hamas can no longer be in control of gaza. if hamas is in control of gaza at the end of this, you can forget about any two-state outcome. hamas are dead set against that. it's behavior over the last 30 years has been, every time you move towards that kind of outcome, we see hamas use a suicide bombing or, in the case of moving towards saudi israeli normalization, which has been an added palestinian component, we see this action now. the notion -- to states is a contradiction. but to buy the israelis the time and space to achieve that necessary imperative, they have to show they are doing enough to reduce the number of casualties on the palestinian side on the one hand, but on the other, and now that so many palestinians have moved to the south, doing as much as possible to ensure the humanitarian assistance can get in and palestinians who are now

living in makeshift conditions have what they need to be able to survive. yes, i very much still believe that. >> how did they do that, though, ambassador? i am sure you remember, just a couple weeks ago, these really government had put out a map as to where it was they were striking in southern gaza, because we know all palestinians have now gone to southern gaza, as they have said on the ground, they're 90% of palestinians now are homeless. it was a very complicated map. it was difficult, i'm sure, for many palestinians to understand where they can be and where they can go to. how do israelis communicate? how does the idea, if the government communicate they are trying to preserve palestinian lives, they believe in a political solution after hamas is eradicated? >> look, there's really two different issues being raised here. one is how do you communicate to the palestinians where they have to be to be safe, and the israelis are dropping large numbers of leaflets in arabic.

by the way, the people who moved from north to south, they moved from north to south because the israelis were driving those sleeveless. we did see considerable movements. we are seeing less movement in the khan younis area than we saw in the north. that is sort of 0.1. israel has to continue to do it. there is one thing they did today, they opened up kerem shalom. opening it up is a crossing point from israel which also has the most modern scanning techniques. many more trucks can go through kerem shalom and then flow into gaza and then was the case before. that is one way to help sustain -- the other question is, how about a political solution? >> right. >> when prime minister netanyahu says no palestinian authority, on the one hand what he is saying is when the biden administration says -- what that really means is transform. you have a corrupt, inept

palestinian authority that is terrible in terms of governance. it couldn't go into gaza today if it wanted to. it has to be reformed, it has to be transformed. ly then would it become possible for prime minister netanyahu to say, can't be the palestinian authority, right now that is a fact. over time, he doesn't really have an alternative. he doesn't want israel to stay. he doesn't want gaza to become somalia. he doesn't want, in a sense, the palestinian authority to come in. but then he has to have somebody who comes in, otherwise it will be a vacuum and you will have complete chaos there. that is also not an israel's interest. i think we have to look at this sort of the timeframe in terms of doing this thing. the administration should emphasize there is a time factor. president biden, when we first talked about the issue, used the word ultimately for the palestinian authority to go in. that's actually the right word

because they are not capable of doing it today even if they wanted to. >> who reforms the p.a.? we are trying to get this done today, ambassador. i know we won't, i make a joke. i know we won't. who reforms -- >> i like the sense of urgency. >> who reforms the p.a.? who secures gaza, and who rebuild gaza? >> all right. and we have to go back to 2007 to look at precedent. in 2000, seven bush -- to go to -- we are going to kill off the palestinian authority, unless he appointed the finance minister, empower him to be prime minister and allow him to clean things up. not only did he clean things, up he also reorganized the whole security tapestry meant there as well. there is a precedent for this. one of the things i heard, i've

been in the middle east for the last two weeks now, one of the things i've heard in saudi arabia, the uae is they are now strongly in favor of seeing that kind of transformation in the palestinian authority in the west bank. i think this is again a time for us to organize maybe in this case and arab coalition that goes to -- and says, appoint someone not tainted by the p.a. and have that person come in and appoint people, not affiliated with any other factions who are professional, capable and can deliver functionally. under those circumstances, i think there are -- we can probably produce some collection of international forces that can help secure these basic -- and these palestinians, at least initially, who can be the first ones to sort of manage and get us into a process. an interim process on the way

to putting us in a position where a political possibility then becomes much more realistic. today, look, if we had a palestinian state today, it would be a failed state. nobody wants that. we have to resolve gaza, we have to be able to rebuild gaza. you are not going to get the saudis and murati's to pour money into gaza unless they know that you also have those who are there or will make sure the materials were used for the way they were intended and -- but think about what we have in gaza today. we have 300 miles of tne underground, 30 meters underground, 40 meters underground, 50 meters underground. that cost was enormous. all that material could've been used above ground. it's all been used below ground. it is possible to change gaza, but we have to get beyond basically where hamas is in control. >> ambassador dennis ross, as always, we learn a tremendous amount from you and we are thankful for you joining us today. appreciate it.

as the war between israel and hamas stretches into its third month, the fallout has not only resulted in political consequences, but in some cases professional. some people worldwide losing jobs over their post or positions on this conflict. -- has the story. >> reporter: this is the most complicated geopolitical issue in human history. >> reporter: online -- >> we cannot condemn words of hate. >> reporter: and on the streets people worldwide are speaking out about the israel-hamas war. >> i received a call from an hr department -- >> reporter: for some, it has come with a cost, their jobs. >> global news fired me for speaking up about palestine on my social media account. >> palestinian -- said she was fired from the canadian outlet global news after criticizing israel internally and on her social media accounts. >> i was only told that the overall focus i had made gave the perception of bias.

i choose to call it bullying, to stop these journalists from speaking up about the issues, that matter to them. >> reporter: in a statement, global news, a client of our nbc news channel service, said in part of that commentary by our employees expressing or amplifying violence or discrimination is a violation of our company policies, and at the outlets and must remain fair and unbiased. in california, a jewish usc professor says he was barred from campus after this video of him confronting pro palestinian protesters went viral. >> hamas are murderers, that's all they are. everyone should be killed, and i hope they all are. >> reporter: the professor, john strauss, telling our nbc station in los angeles that the phrase everyone meant hamas alone, not all palestinians. >> i'm quoted as saying a death to palestinians. i never said that, ever.

i wouldn't say that, i don't believe that. >> reporter: usc initially saying strauss was told to remain off campus is a precautionary measure. but days later, the university lifted its restrictions on the professor. here is what labor and employment lawyer peter goslyn said employees should keep in mind. >> people working in the public sector, for the most part, have constitutional protections. but if you are working in the private sector, and there is very little that protects you as an employee from actions by your employer. your employer dislikes the things you are talking about, the law does very little to inhibit them from retaliating against, you including firing you. >> reporter: today, workplace tensions have reached as far as the cia. staff warned in an internal email to avoid partisan social media post after a senior officer posted a pro palestinian image online. and in hollywood, a talent agency dropped actress susan surrounding, actress melissa barrera will no longer start on the screen movie franchise for statements made publicly about the conflict.

we've seen some high-profile cases of individuals losing jobs since the israel-hamas war started. do they have a case? >> if an employee believes that the retaliation is not just because of their opinion, but because of who they, are they definitely have a case. >> reporter: if you are working at a company and you are uncomfortable by remarks, a fellow employee made, what rights do you have legally? >> if you are insufferable no workplace, the first thing you need to do is go to your human resource department, employees should provide that protection. frankly, regardless of what the issue is or and the positions people take -- >> reporter: nbc news. >> coming up, everybody, the latest on a major storm that is intensifying along the east coast. where it is headed and what to expect. iphone 15 pro with titanium and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon. meet the jennifers. each planning their future through the chase mobile app.

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severe weather is plowing up the east coast after slamming much of florida this weekend. georgia all the way to maine could see heavy rain, gusty winds, and coastal flooding, and tens of millions are under flood and wind alerts. joining me now is and macy's george soliz in philadelphia for us. george, if you will, walk us through expectations as we are awaiting this storm. >> reporter: it's going to be messy, no question about. it tomorrow as the morning commute begins, we are also looking at that potential for some of that rain, that flooding to impact some of that travel. we also know millions are

getting ready to begin that early holiday rush home for the holidays. airports could be looking at some delays as well. so many people are closely keeping a watch on right now the carolinas getting battered by this coastal storm. we've seen some flooding, we've seen some power outages. that storm system really wreaking havoc in florida. there were significant power outages. as we await the mid-atlantic, the northeast, where the rains are slowly starting to come in, even here we are starting to see those early bands, some of that early rain moving through. this is going to be a storm that's going to really take its toll overnight, which is why we are stressing early morning commutes, those flight delays, something to keep an eye on. we are looking at the potential for flash flooding. we know that when you have a lot of heavy, rain four or five inches falling all at once, there is that concern for rampant flash flooding, especially in those urban areas. we also have winds. we are seeing wind reports of 40, 5:50, even 65 mile an hour winds being forecasted, which does have the potential to create some damage, especially

when we talk about holiday lights and displays that may not be nailed down. this is going to create a lot of headaches for a lot of people. definitely take your time, pack your patience, and definitely keep a close eye on your airline and airport travel. because the big story with all of this, as you are seeing with the flooding on some of the streets in the carolinas, people are starting that holiday travel. you really don't want to get caught in the mess of this. the good news is once this moves out from the coast up through new england, it is supposed to clear of. fortunately, there is a little bit of a circular lining. but make no mistake, as we begin this week, this is going to be a big night -- nightmare for a lot of people. pack your patience, as you said. george soliz for us, thank you. still ahead, everybody, they are young, progressive, and they are frequent targets of conservative republicans. author ryan graham is here with an inside look at the squad and what he thinks is their political future. we'll be right back. 'll be right back. s with real medicine and find your voice.

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in washington, negotiations continue over an immigration deal republicans say it must be made to pass further aid for ukraine and israel. we want to begin with ryan, grim d.c. bureau chief at the intercept, also the author of the squad and host of the podcast and he constructed. thanks for joining us on this. appreciate it. i want to talk about the squad in a moment. i first want to address the negotiations ongoing in washington right now. i actually just spoke with a few minutes ago a maryland democrat representative gerry connolly, who said this. virginia representative, sorry. he will not support a return to trump area policies that were inhumane. when talking about the immigration deal. do you think a deal would get done here? >> i don't think in the end, they will strike a deal at least in this round because the incentives are really lined up. republicans do want tough border policy, they want these trump like immigration policies, but what they want more than

that is to be able to blame biden for chaos at the border. there is kind of a contradiction there in the sense that they would rather kind of just leave it the way it is and point fingers for the next year. they also don't want the ukraine money going through. my guess is the outcome they like is no deal and then pointing fingers. that is the easiest one to get as well because all they have to do is to say no. that is my suspicion of where they will wind up. the early wildcard is i think democrats also kind of cynically would like to have their hand forced when it comes to immigration. they don't want their fingerprints on, it they want to be pushed to be tougher on immigration. and so, there is some weird incentives and councillor incentives here. >> you also have some real clear breaks when it comes to certain members of the democratic party, both on israel and immigration as wel john fetterman being one of them showing kind of an independent streak. this is from nbc news, i'm not a progressive, john fetterman says. he's breaking with progressives

on hot button issues with his fiery support for israel and calling for democrats to engage on tougher immigration laws. disappointing some on the left as he shows an independent streak. talk more about this. >> he also voted just last week to extend spying authorities as well. i think there has been so much kind of outrage at fetterman over the top, unconditional support of everything that israel has done. he was asked, you know, is israel committing any war crime? he said absolutely not, not even the question of, maybe there have been some that have been alleged and should be investigated. nothing even approaching some sort of accountability or putting some sort of conditions on support for israel. and so, i feeling the criticism is kind of being received and he's digging in. and now he's finding other ways that he's going to kind of get in in little online fights with

a left. at the same time, the polling on the border in particular, the questions around immigration are clear. he i moving toward the easier position there. >> let's talk the squad while i have you and the book you wrote on them. let me write this, members of the squad and allies made history speaking up against israel's war on gaza. and then came the backlash. walk us through that. >> the guardian, in a review of the book, said it should've been called the squad and its enemies or the squad and its adversaries, which i think is fair. just as the squad rose and enacted what bernie sanders calls this political revolution in 2018, early 2019, the counter revolution rose with it. this is an organization, a democratic majority for israel was kind of spun off by aipac advisers, at the same time the squad was sworn in in the 2019. when they really stood up on the floor, as you said, in may

of 2021, it created space for significant criticism of israel. it wasn't just them. now there are more than a dozen members who came to the floor and we're lambasting israel for the bombing of gaza back in may of 2021. that's one aipac said, okay, we need to get fully into the game ourselves, not just this democratic majority for israel. they spent more than $30 million that cycle urging critics of the party during primaries. they are looking at possibly spending 100 million dollars in this next cycle. >> what do you see as the ultimate objective of the squad? >> they are trying to basically bring a kind of democratic socialism or social democracy as the dominant ideology within the democratic party, taking a kind of bernie sanders, basically the agenda bernie sanders ran on and making that the thing the democratic party stands for. >> thank you, appreciate it. that wraps up for me, i'm yasmin vossoughian, you can