across 24 states in washington, d.c.. richard hunt was 88 years old. thank you so muc everyone for watching symone on sunday. i'm symone, for more of the show you can find us on instagram, the site formally known as twitter, and starting in january you can find me on in the morning, 8 to 10 right here on msnbc on the weekend. but now, politicsnation with the great reverend al sharpton. rev, you had the chair on next, there is a lot to talk about because i read a statement on the show that you put out on december 11th saying that the white house has been difficult to get a meeting. and now you have a fresh meeting that you had yesterday. a fresh >> she finally got the meeting. i'm anxious to hear what she needs to say about the meaning and her reaction to the statement by donald trump that immigrants are poisoning the

blood of americans, some real bigoted statements, it will be interesting to hear her response. it's always my privilege to follow the great symone. >> love you. >> good evening, welcome to beyond politicsnation. tonight's lead, clearing the air. ♪ ♪ ♪ leaders of the congressional hispanic contests finally held their long-awaited meeting with the white house yesterday. to discuss their concern over the border security deal currently being negotiated in the senate. many are worried the administration will given to harsh republican demands on immigration in order to gain support for military aid package to assist israel and ukraine. the conversation between latino

lawmakers and the biden administration comes as republican presidential front runner, donald trump, is on the campaign trail dialing up his anti immigrant campaign rhetoric. tonight the chair of the congressional spanish caucus joins us to talk about what came out of that white house meeting and what it could mean for the latino vote in 2024. later, a new mini documentary looks at how the games black girls are playing for centuries have impacted our popular culture from the sidewalk, to social media. we start the show tonight with congresswoman nanette barragan, she's a democrat from california and the chair of the congressional hispanic caucus. congresswoman, madam chairman,

thank you for being with us. let's start, i want to get to trump's comments on africans, people from other places, immigrants. let's start with yesterday's meeting. i understand both the white house chief of staff and the homeland security secretary participated. what can you tell us about how it went? >> thank you for having me, how. the meeting was long overdue and this is something that the office has been asking for, it's making sure that we are heard, but there are no members or senators at the table, that is wrong. that's the equivalent of having a conversation about reforms and changes to civil rights, voting rights levis latium without having the black caucus at the table. it just wouldn't happen. it would be unacceptable. that was something that was conveyed with the white house

what we're hearing isn't good what is on the table, it's pro trump immigration policies that's not gonna help the situation. and that is something something that it's evacuating with the administration, it doesn't allow this hostage taking to continue. republicans are holding hostage. there's critical funding for our allies, ukraine, israel, taiwan, they want to basically and -- they want to give tools for something like donald trump to be able to do mass deportations. it's unbelievable what is on the table, al, i can't tell you how disappointed i am that we're having -- i'm a firm believer that we should have a foreign aid cloak separated out from conversations about the border, and immigration.

nobody is opposing an effort to have a conversation sit down, and come up for comprehensive changes to address what's happening at the southern border, it's not what's occurring right now. >> clearly i think the republicans all know that they are trying to put the president and the hispanic caucus in a kind of sensitive spot, i'll put it that way. we cannot sacrifice peoples rights no matter how much republican squeezes. well you in your colleague were having a thoughtful discussion at the white house about immigration policy, donald trump was campaigning in new hampshire, where he had this to say. i want you to listen to this. >> when they left, the real numbers 15 million people into our country, when they do that we have a lot of work to do. they're poisoning the blood of our country, that's what they

have done. >> they are poisoning the blood of our country. i mean, that smacks of some people would say, ethnic cleansing is being implied. and if we go on further take, talk about people coming from of course latin america, africa, many in the latino community understandably are concerned about this current administration. on the other hand, this is the likely alternative. what is your thoughts on what the republican front runner had to say in the statement i just played you? >> it's outrageous. we should all be speaking out against ed. this is the president trying to normalize behavior that as you mentioned, it's works that hitler used when he was doing the same thing in germany.

it is outrageous, we should be speaking out against a, it goes to show we should believe former president trump when he tells us he'll be a dictator on day one. he has intentions undoing mass deportations and getting rid of immigrants. his comments yesterday, they only inflame violence, they inflame more hate against immigrants. as you mentioned, it was not just immigrants from south america. this is where more coalition on asking that we not make immigration changes in a supplemental. and we need to speak out against the hate. we need to make sure that we're not putting in place and passing last-minute legislation and changes to immigration. that's gonna give someone like trump or another administration that's anti immigrant, the

tools that they could use against our communities. this is not right, we should not be talking about how to deport more people, we should be talking about how to expand legal pathways, how to make sure we're putting the resources at the southern border to help the situation. >> and we shouldn't be bringing policies that act as though we somehow lead the statements that are like a hitler would make in terms of blood. he's talking about the blood of americans which is ethnic cleansing. any policy that acts like we're putting people out when you have the leading republican candidates saying, it's like your cosigning this kind of racist, bigoted statement against latinos and africans. and he didn't make one european country when he was listing the people he was talking about. it is clear, this is what he is

saying. let's stay with biden and trump 's recent polling. polling was conducted by -- a u.s. latino civil rights group. it found that 51% of hispanic voters would vote for biden, 33% as you see, they picked trump. if the general election went out today. still, the president has taken a significant hit in terms of hispanic voters support. and some polls have shown that donald trump support among latino voters to be growing despite the rhetoric like what we just heard from him last and i. does that worry you and, for less than a year from election day, do those poll numbers bother you? >> poll numbers right now can be different than what we'll have in a year. we have work to do. we need to go out, this is

something that the hispanic caucus has done, we have an initiative where we spent the last year going into growing that latino areas to talk about the issues that latinos care about. you talked about the -- the poll has the highest priorities are things like cost of living. it's affordable housing, health care, we've gone out to the community to talk about what democrats have done on things like health care, inflation reduction act, making sure that we're in a lower prescription drug prices, creating jobs, infrastructure bill, a lot of those jobs are going to let santa -- and other areas. we need to go out and tell people what we have done. and what we're continuing to fight for. on that list, immigration falls at five or six, we want orderly in migration. we support making sure that the american people support, this legal pathways, efforts to lift

up migrants, people who are here working or paying taxes, this is something we need to continue to do. that's not go to the messaging, the fear, division, hate, that the former president is spewing. there's no doubt, we have work to do, we need to be out in the community and make sure we're sending the signal that we're fighting for the issues that our communities, our communities of colors across the country care about. >> congresswoman, assuming the house will be getting into its work until next year. you're congressional has bannock caucus will face challenges, how to deliver 11 -- latino voters in an election year when your chambers are controlled by republicans. what are your top priorities for 2024 and how do you get them passed, especially considering we could be facing a new shutdown crisis as early

as next month. i'm out of time that i need to hear you talk about the priorities and how you intend to get it done. >> the priorities, number one, doing the outreach, telling people what democrats have done, comparing what happens when you have a democratic house and a speaker like leader jeffries versus not. and the presidents -- somebody else there. it's talking about things like cost of living, inflation, the economy, jobs, talking about health care, education, student loan debt, something that we've also leaned on. we need to continue the fun fight. -- but we need to continue to fight and we're looking at the budget. when you look at who's keeping government open, it's democrats. if there is a way to get some priorities and those bills with democrats are keeping government open and more democrats are voting for these things that republicans in the house. we need to look for those opportunities. >> all right, thank you so much, the chair of the hispanic

caucus, congresswoman -- thank you for being with us. we turn to the state of georgia. joining me now is congresswoman from georgia, nikema williams, thank you for joining me today, always glad to have you on the show, congresswoman. there's a lot i want to cover with you. let's start with friday's 140 million-dollar verdict against rudy giuliani for defaming to black georgia election workers who were targeted and harassed because of his false claims about fraud in the 2020 election. you are the co-chair both to the congressional voting rights caucus, and the task force for strengthening our democracy. what's your reaction to the verdict right there in your home state. where did things go from here? >> thank you for covering this, rev al, people need to understand that miss ruby freeman and shaye moss, for my

constituents, that they showed up to do their jobs, to be part of this process by being a poll worker, something we ask people to do every day. i remember my grandparents being poll workers, they showed up to make sure that everybody can cast their votes fairly, freely, and these two women, two black women that live in my district were targeted, they were targeted not only by rudy giuliani but the former president, the former failed president, rev al, i'm so happy to say that maybe this will help them, they've had to move out of their homes, they've had to get security, they've had to go to heidi and leave their jobs, jobs they love performing with the fulton county board of elections. and now maybe this will send a message to other people out there who are still denying the results of the 2020 election, who are still targeting, attacking people for standing up for our democracy. maybe this will send a message

that we will hold people accountable when they lie about the things especially as important as the results of an election. coming out of the courtroom, reverend al, rudy giuliani was still saying that what he said wasn't a lie. we all know that that is not true. i'm grateful for the media pushing back on that. we need to continue to push back, that's why it's so important the work that we're doing, sharpening democracy to make sure that we're making sure that local governments have the funding that's needed to support their election administration tasks. >> sadly, rudy giulian and former president trump won't be the only threats to democracy in georgia right now. i spoke with congressional black caucus chair, stephen hearts men, yesterday evening on the show. he was in your state on b of your colleague, resswoman lucy mcbaine, republicans have passed a plan to wipe out her district and a

cynical bed to comply with voting laws meant to promote racial representation without allowing for any more deceives were voters might choose a democrat. and appeals were on the way. can you talk about what's at stake, congresswoman? >> absolutely. -- don't change their stripes. the republican party here in georgia and nationally have shown us exactly who they are. the federal judge told us that, told the state legislature, they need to come up with a remedy, he was very specific, a remedy that would not continue to dilute the power of black voters in the state of georgia, which is what our congressional map acted. they came back and they basically pulled their cousins over in alabama and disregarded with the federal judge said. the judge even said that it can't give the expense of an existing opportunity district represent the city of atlanta. and they think that -- it's not.

it's an opportunity to strike with black coalition of people who cadillac black elected officials and voters, elected officials of their choice. the same thing with congresswoman -- they use that to say that they didn't have to follow the remedy from the judge. we'll be back in court, the hearing date is scheduled for december 20th, i'm confident that we will continue to make sure that the voters choose their elected officials are not the other way around. we'll be back in federal court and this is not the first time. we will continue to fight this legislatively, for advocacy work, and through the courts, whatever is necessary to give voters the power that they need and deserve. >> when we bring this up. a pregnant texas woman, kate cox, whose fetus has a fatal condition left the state to get an abortion. the supreme court they're rejected her case on monday as

part of one of the most restrictive abortion bans in the country. your state is among those on that list as of october. the georgia supreme court issued a ruling that allows an abortion, allows a ban on abortion after six weeks of pregnancy to remain in effect. is there something that congress or the biden administration can do to help women like cox? >> it's unfortunately that miss cox has to go through this. we don't know an individual circumstances and we don't have politicians making medical decisions on behalf of women. now miss cox who knows that she didn't have her fetus was not viable, and she's not planning for a nursery, but basically for a funeral. and to make her carry this pregnancy to term is exactly the unintended consequence that we've talked about when people like republicans in the state of georgia passed these very

restrictive laws. in georgia, abortion is outlawed at six weeks before women know they are pregnant. we need to continue to make sure that, number, one we take over the house once again so that democrats are in control and reelect our president, elections have consequences, reverend al, we need to do the work to make sure we have leaders in place in this country who will stand up for our right to make personal medical decisions. that's what this is about. >> i'm talking about leaders that make a difference, you coal ed the introduction of a bill this month barring the hedge funds from buying and owning single family homes. critics say that wall street investors are making it harder for ordinary americans to find an affordable home and are driving up housing prices for renters as well. as you sit on the committee of financial services, why is this issue so important to you?

>> reverend al, we're sitting all across the country especially right here in atlanta where homeowners, people who are looking to buy homes are being priced out of the market because we have these hedge funds coming in and buying up the property, investors, and then selling it back at rates that are so astronomical that first time home buyers don't have a shot of the market. atlanta continues to lead the nation in the racial what -- we have work to do. homeownership is one of the quickest way to close the wealth gap and build generational while. thanks till we get some of these things in place and get the marketing control so that working families have a stake at buying a home and have a shot, we need to continue to do this work, this would be a tax penalty for investors who come in and buy up the market and then solid at these rates where people are just priced out. i'm seeing it in my community, all across the country, these

are policy decisions that were making and it's up to leaders in this country to do something about it. >> congresswoman nikema williams, thank you for being with us as always. just ahead, taking care of our communities begins by taking care of ourselves. especially around this time of year. i'll explain in this week's rise up. week' rise up.

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some breaking political news this afternoon. in and merge unseat meeting this weekend, republicans in florida have voted to strip the states party chair of his authoritarian, as he faces a criminal investigation for alleged sexual assault and rape. since the allegations were made public last month, christian ziegler has resisted calls to resign coming from nearly every major florida republican, including governor ron desantis. -- we formerly remove we're ziglar as early as next month. let's bring in my political panel, kurt bardella, democratic strategist, and an la times contributor. and shermichael singleton, who has worked on the wing gingrich, romney, and carson presidential campaigns and is a political

strategist. shermichael, let's start with donald trump's rally last night in new hampshire, where he referenced russian leader vladimir putin's comments about the erosion of american democracy, and he praised autocrat viktor orban, who trump says -- believes he is the man who can save the western world. this comes after the recent weeks -- saying he wants to be a dictator for a, day although many trump supporters are making light of his comments, some experts warn it could take trump seriously. what is your reaction to all this? >> i mean, i don't think that vladimir putin is an ideal person, that any political leader, president, former president hopes to be president should hold up some type of moniker of model leadership, particularly considering his invasion of a sovereign country, that being ukraine, a country

that is more in sync with our ideals and values in terms of believing in freedom and democracy, something that certainly is not prevalent in russia. i would say quickly, though, there is a fomenting discussion not only within the united states but across the globe about nationalism, about identity, which i know we will talk about in a few here. i think trump's comments in that regard with viktor orban, what's going on over there and eastern europe, is part of a discussion we are seeing all over the globe, including within the republican party right now. >> kurt, staying with um nbc news surveyed all 99 gop candidature's in iowa, and those who responded overwhelmingly to trump as the favorite to win next months caucuses. what would a strong iowa victory from trump mean? how deep into the primaries could his rivalry even survive if trump keeps winning?

>> i think iowa has always been this kind of interesting outlier in republican politics. remember, this was the same state that gave us michele bachmann's a winner in the previous presidential primary. i think the real showdown is in new hampshire, where we are seeing nikki haley rise in the polls dramatically. we are seeing more of a coalescing around someone like her as an alternative to trump. ultimately, how long this goes and how strong trump becomes really is up to chris christie and rhonda census and others who need to wake up and realize there's no chance they are going to be the republican nominee if they really care about having an alternative donald trump, they need to get out right now and get behind nikki haley. otherwise, they are going to repeat the same cycle we've seen before like we saw in 2016. they will divide the anti trump vote. it's basic math. for anti trump candidates, one donald trump, donald trump will always when that scenario, rev. >> shermichael, on that note, let's discuss desantis, ron

desantis never back down super pac, which just lost its key strategist, jeff row, yesterday. five of the senior officials have left the pack in the past month. desantis changed campaign managers back in august. all this comes with iowa clock is less than a month away and some republican strategists are warning that a non-trump folk in the -- tube many candidates. we something curtis alluded to. if desantis cannot stabilize his campaign soon, will he face more pressure to get out of the race? >> rev, and the governor of florida couldn't stabilizes campaign several months ago when they fired their we, a third of their staff, kurt and i called each other about that when this happened in august. ron desantis has been a

candidate that struggled ever since he called -- joined this race. he reminded so many of us in this electoral space that are practitioners on the electoral side of jeb bush. you have bachmann in iowa, you have the senator out of texas, ted cruz, who won iowa. none of those individuals won the republican nomination. it appears clear nikki haley is a legitimate and viable alternative if you want someone else other than donald trump. that would tell me that if you're a donor, a strategist and you are advising or supporting the florida governor, you would advise the governor to wrap it up, let's look ahead to 2028. but if we are to move the party in a different direction, it's not going to be you, it's not going to be chris christie. nikki haley appears to have the win against -- moving forward. >> kurt, switching gears to the internal divisions inside the democratic party. earlier in the, show we heard from the hispanic caucus chair about their concerns with biden over immigration. it's also waning enthusiasm

among black voters for biden over a lack of policy progress. and young voters are disappointed with his handling of the israel-hamas war. how confident are you that these differences can be smoothed over by the time of the general election next year? >> listen, rev, if any person of color in this country has issue with the biden administration, listen, i understand having concerns, i understand being frustrated, but go back and watch what donald trump said about immigrants in this country yesterday during his rally. i'm not going to repeat it because basically i'm not going to repeat not see propaganda. go back and watch what donald trump says, how often he compares nonwhite people to drug dealers and rapists. if you are a person of color in this country and you can draw the justice change between joe biden and donald trump and that doesn't motivate you to make the right decision, i can't help you. >> and you to, shermichael, what do you have to say on that after chuckling? >> rev, i think kurt said it

well. look, i've been a conservative a longtime, kurt left the party, you and i had this conversation many times in private about me trying to push the party in a certain and particular direction as it pertains to meeting the needs and expectations and communicating directly to the communities of color that the party has felt for quite some time and many observers of politics would say this by the party just frankly doesn't care and is even purposefully turning off many of those potential constituents. with that said, i think voters of color will have to ask themselves a very clear question in terms of their needs, their demands. are they getting them out of one side over the other? if they aren't necessarily getting them as much as they would like from one side, then you need to demand more. that means president biden, vice president harris, the democratic party writ large says, hey, we are churning out 90% of the black community, 70

80% latino community, 30% asian community. there are some things you guys have expectations on if you want our vote in substantial margins, we need to see some tangibles on some of those key issues. >> many are doing that, but at the same time, with her saying that the other side is not even not only appealing to black voters interests, they are standing up saying some just outright bigoted and racist stuff. so it doesn't give a lot of options if you have this kind of political landscape. kurt bardella and shermichael singleton, thank you both for being with us. just ahead, a new documentary explores the origins of childhood hand games, like miss mary mac and -- howell i will talk with the filmmakers about this on this lost part of black history after the break.

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black girls, they are the earliest carriers of black musical aesthetics. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> they created songs, and they created chances, and the children created hand games. >> we've been hiding culture in

these games. >> espn recently premiered the award winning documentary short black girls play, the story of han games. which according to the film is a story that stretches all the way back to slavery into the present day, where han games have impacted popular black culture, from the sidewalk to social media. joining me now, the husband and wife director producers of black girls play, michelle stevenson and joe brewster. michelle, thank you both for joining us, but i want to start with you. helping us two and 2023 on an uplifting note with this black girls play film, i have two daughters. they grew up playing hand games, like so many little black girls do across the country.

yet i never once thought about the origins of those games until now. michelle, what can you tell us about that history? >> well, it dates back to slavery, but even before. because it was a mode in which our african traditions were embodied and were carried through up to today. whether it is the call and response, our actions with individuality within the collectivity, where we play, play became the vessel through which our traditions were kept. but also our humanity. and black girls are at the center of keeping that humanity. >> joe, what was it that brought you and michèle to make this short now? what was the path like from inception to now? >> well, it came from espn who basically brought to us a book that was written by an f no

musicologist up in albany, new york. they had been trying to work with us for years. we try to prioritize work that uplifts and creates a way of rethinking and re-conceptualizing black life. this was the perfect vehicle for us. more importantly, it's up to your own experience. growing up in los angeles, witnessing the games, and not realizing how important they were for who i was, who i am, and my cultural experience. similar for michèle, growing up in haiti and queens. the experiences quite similar. when we talk about black girls, we talk about the black diaspora. we brought our games, we brought these pillars of culture, which taught us how to love, how to communicate, and

how to create. >> now, joe, how have these games influenced all art forms and creative communities like music and dance in black america? >> you pick the art form and you will see the pillars that michèle previously mentioned. call and response is an essential part of jazz, gospel music, gospel oratory. it is not just an art form. it's a collective form of communication that we had that has been undervalued and that is -- has been embraced by every culture on this earth. it's inspiring to witness and be a part of a rhythmic sound.

it's inspiring. >> we also see it in hip of, which is the biggest thing we explore in the film. the actual appropriation, we've lost that leadership in musical expression as we grow older but our black male counterparts continue to play and even use the form. you see it in different forms of hip-hop as well. >> i noticed that, joe, moving forward what you said, oratory, leading my way, black ministers do it all the time. a number of women's professions, michèle, professional sports, a lot of women engage in that as popular or profitable as they've ever been. and they are dominated by black women. boxing, basketball, and tennis come into mind. still athletes continue to be pay at often a fraction of what their male counterparts earn in

their leagues. often for the same sport. michèle, how would you characterize the state of pro sports for black women specifically? >> for black women specifically, there is still such a long way to go. when i can't say is we bring the form of expression that we learned through the hand games in how we play our sports. there is a certain flair and way of expression that is seen in the sport but there is still a very long way to go. we see that we are not seen the way we should be. there has been progress, but there is still a lot of work to be done. >> it's a fascinating short to watch, i never knew double dutch, all of that, came from an african tradition. when i was a kid, i learned how to double dutch before i learned how to do the james brown. michèle and joe, thank you for

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holiday season and many are looking forward to whatever they are going to get for christmas. or kwanzaa, or new years. i would challenge you to look at what you are going to give. think of the homeless, think of those that are living in situations where they can't get their children toys. think of what you could do for somebody rather than what you can receive. that's why we at national action network spend the day feeding the elders and feeding the homeless with hot meals, giving educational gifts to children, because i know what it is not to have everything you want as a child. this holiday, think about what

you can give, not only what you can get. those of us that are religious that see this as celebrating the birth of christ, it would be rude, unthinkable for me to come to your house for your birthday and ask, what did i get? i should be there to give. if you want to give in a religious way, give to more than yourself. self indulgence is not how you should spend the holiday, by showing your best character, by showing how you can be somebody that is benevolent and wants to help others. that is the way you should spend this holiday. that is it for me. thanks for watching. i will see you back here next weekend, five pm eastern. american voices with guest host julián castro starts after the break. break.

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oh my goodness. oh, you guys. i know you like wrestling, so we got you some vip tickets. you have made an impact. so have you. for you guys to be out here doing something like this, hello, everyone. it restores a lot of faith in humanity. i'm julián castro in for at least menendez. i want to begin tonight by throwing it back to june 16th, 2015. a day most americans and most around the world probably remember when businessman donald trump came down the golden escalator at trump tower to announce he was running for the republican nomination for president. i want to warn you, we will be playing a couple moments from the former president tonight h