terms that they weren't investing enough in their i.t. technology, scheduling software, et cetera. they have done that since then. the other airlines say we have been investing, we're going to be ready in case there's another big storm that hits at some point. there will be a big storm at some point. >> the ceo said just the other day, they are ready for the holiday season. cnbc's phil lebeau. thank you, appreciate it. that does it this hour. our coverage continues for a na cabrera in for katy tur. >> it's good to be with you. i'm ana cabrera in for katy tur. we begin with former president donald trump facing criticism over disparaging remarks made about immigrants. for the third times in as many months, he used words that echoed the words and beliefs of

adolf hitler saying that immigrants are quote, poisoning the blood of this country. that is similar to phrasing you can find in hitler's manifesto. with less than a month until the first votes are cast in the 2024 republican primary, rivals aren't sitting back. we'll give you what they said in a moment. the biden campaign responding. trump goes beyond the racial dog whistles. he is quoting dictators, and vowing to enact immigration policies that are extreme, round people up by the millions, bring them to deportation camps before forcing them out of the u.s. with no opportunity for due process. it's more than just dehumanizing language. should he win reelection in 2024, he is vowing to enact dehumanizing policies. joining us now, nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard, who is in west palm beach, florida. nbc news white house

correspondent mike memoli, and senior political report aaron blake who has closely tracked the former president's rhetoric around immigration. thank you for being with us. vaughn, you have been to so many trump rallies. you were there this weekend. how were these remarks received by the crowd? >> reporter: it's an important question, and the 4,000 folks inside that arena on saturday in new hampshire, it was ecstatic enthusiasm. this is a man who largely speaks into the microphone and is echoed by his supporters. we have seen throngs of allies, voters who look at him as not only their former president but also their future president. come out in their support, no matter how many rallies he holds across these states, they continue to come out, and as donald trump was quoting vladimir putin, and praising the

likes of kim jong un as very nice, his supporters did not question each other or very much did not see donald trump applauding these autocrats and very much in defense of him, they believe that joe biden and this white house are unfairly persecuting or targeting him. i should note that i just left trump international golf club where he's taking part in a campaign briefing with several advisers, and donald trump did speak momentarily with those of us who were there. there was no mention about his comments or the quoting of vladimir putin or the mentioning of the poisoning of the blood. for donald trump, he is running an unabashed campaign that is clearly not looking to moderate or step away from the controversial but one that instead continues to lean into this rhetoric. >> mike, the biden campaign was quick to come out with a

statement about this rhetoric. what more can you tell us about their response? >> we've seen something of a shift in the last few weeks of the biden campaign being more reactive to the comments from the former president. too often we in the media are paying too much attention to the legal woes and not what sooes saying to voters on theampaign trail. within hours of what we heard, we heard from the biden campaign saying the former president is channelling his role models as he parroted adolf hitler, praised kim jong un and quoted vladimir putin. it's also worth noting that a white house spokesperson also reacted to these comments. yes, they're not technically part of the campaign, but they also called these comments echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascist and white supremacists as beneath the dignity of this office.

it's worth highlighting the shift on the part of the campaign itself. what we haven't heard is the president himself directly responding to the former president, and there's a reason for that. we're four weeks away from iowa but more than 300 days away from the general election, and the biden campaign based here in wilmington says that there will be a time and place once trump is the nominee for the former president to engage with donald trump, and this is not yet that moment, ana. >> why isn't it that moment at this point? >> reporter: the issue is that the key voters who will decide the election in their view are not yet engaged in this election, and frankly, they're not even convinced that donald trump will be the nominee. there's a very careful calibration of how do you talk to these key demographics, voting blocs, without turning them away. some of them aren't ready to hear about donald trump. they don't want to believe he's on the ballot. >> what about trump's republican rivals. who's speaking up and who's

staying sigh lentz on this? >> reporter: one individual is speaking up and that's chris christie, who has remained his foremost critic over the course of the last year. i want you to hear from chris christie just yesterday because his remarks were not just about donald trump, in which he called the poisoning of the blood remarks as a dog whistle to americans against immigrants. he directed his attention to nikki haley for staying silent about the marcs this weekend, take a listen. >> you're telling me that someone who says immigrants are poisoning the blood of this country, someone who says vladimir putin sa character witness issue is fit to be president of the united states, was the right president at the right time, nikki haley should be ashamed of herself and she's part of the problem because she's enabling him by saying to people, it's okay.

>> reporter: the trouble for chris christie politically is that a small minority of the electorate in the republican party clearly sides with him and his criticisms of donald trump over resident like that, and clearly a reason why nikki haley as well as ron desantis remained mum about those types of remarks. >> aaron, you have analyzes specific instances of republicans ignoring or down playing trump's rhetoric in the past, from his attempts to stay in office after losing the 2020 election and seeking for election help. do you believe his remarks about immigration speak to how extreme his immigration policies could be in 2025? >> you only have to look back to the 2016 campaign, when trump was talking about a judge overseeing one of his cases, and saying this judge could not be unbiassed because he was of

mexican heritage. paul ryan said it was the textbook definition of a racist comment. we don't see those kinds of pushback from trump's fellow republicans anymore. even when they have criticized him in the past, they have seen the base stood by him through those things, and also they don't like to talk about all the comments that trump makes. they don't want to be made to account for these things. it has the effect of kind of allowing these things to proliferate. i think for republicans when it comes to this kind of rhetoric in particular, it really is a potentially dangerous thing for them. if you look over the last 20 years or so, the moment at which pro immigrant sentiment has been the highest, that was during the trump administration. the things that donald trump was saying about immigrants led people to embrace immigrants more than they have before. we're in a different moment because of what's happening on the border.

it's tough for president biden, and highlighting these issues is going to help him. we have seen how this kind of rhetoric hasn't worked for him, yet he continues to press forwarditit. >> it seems he's going further thane has asresident. the biden campaign is saying trump is parroting adolf hitler. you did a deep dive into this before the latest remarks after he talked about rooting out vermin. what do the american people need to know, aaron? >> if you look at "mein kampf," there's a number of references that jews are poisoning the blood of the country. this is a concept that is familiar. donald trump, when he first started talking in the terms, he could have said this was not something he's familiar with. this is something that has been the subject of plenty of

discussion. the fact that his rhetoric sounded so similar, and he has dd deced to press forward with that. that's an an knowledgement he's -- acknowledgment he's going to embrace that. >> when he made the comments previously trump seems to qualify his comments about poisoning the blood by pointing to drugs and supposed disease rather than heritage and now he seems to be saying all immigrants from all nations that he mentions, africa and asia, not just south america and latin america. not just singling out one group of immigrants. does that make a difference, aaron? >> i think this is what we see in trump's rhetoric over time. earlier today i was looking through a lot of his statements about immigrants from the 2016 campaign through today, and what you generally see is he will start with a statement that's controversial in and of itself,

but he'll eventually ratchet that up over time. he'll kind of move the ball forward a little bit when it comes to getting further and further out to the extreme with these kind of comments, and i think that's a great example of this. he before was talking about disease and drugs and things that, you know, could literally, you know, get into somebody's bloodstream. in these comments, he is talking about africa and asia specifically. he's talking about areas that are predominantly non-white, and saying those are part of the poisoning of the blood of the country. i view these comments being somewhat different than they were before, and we can expect his comments are going to continue to evolve. >> aaron blake, mike memoli, ryan, thank you for your reporting. what we are learning about the moments three israeli hostages were shot and killed by the idf. big news for same-sex in the catholic church, the radical change pope francis made to vatican policy. >> and happening now on capitol

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yup, that's how you business differently. we're back with some breaking news. a new york jury has reached a verdict in the assault trial of actor jonathan majors, the 34-year-old star of "creed 3" as well as some of the marvel films is facing domestic violence charges following an altercation with a former girlfriend back in march. entertainment correspondent chloe melas has been following the trial for us. what do we know? >> reporter: moments ago the jury reached a split decision, finding majors guilty of assault in the first-degree and harassment in the second-degree. both of these are misdemeanors.

we knew if convicted on all he could face up to one year in jail. we have reached out for his legal team for comment. i was in the courtroom for some of jonathan major's ex-girlfriend's testimony. her name is grace. this stems from an incident last spring in which grace alleges she found a text message on jonathan majors' phone, she grabbed the phone from him, and she alleged that he assaulted her. we listened to her emotional testimony in court over the course of several days. the jury also watched surveillance foot annual from the street from that night that showed jonathan majors putting grace back into the suv they were riding in because they exited it at one point, and her legal team says he threw her back into the car like a football. i think what's interesting here is you're seeing that the jury was split. they started to deliberate on friday. they reconvened again today for several more hours of

deliberations. so, you know, jonathan majors has said the entire time that he is innocent, that he is not guilty of these charges. it's unclear if his legal team is going to fight this and if they're going to appeal on these two counts. but again, we're still waiting to hear from his legal team as to what they think about this split decision. >> that's right. guilty on two charges, not guilty on the other two counts. chloe melas, thank you very much for that reporting. a number of democrats who served in the military and have written to the biden administration objecting to israeli policy and military tactics in gaza. this letter, which was obtained by nbc news is complicating efforts on capitol hill to pass a supplemental funding bill that would provide billions of dollars to israel and ukraine the southern border and other humanitarian causes. senate negotiators are meeting to hammer out something both sides can agree on before the end of the year. those efforts by all counts are

facing heavy pushback as democrats call demands by republican lawmakers extreme. >> you want to basically end asylum, and they want to give tools to people like donald trump to be able to do mass deportations. it's really unbelievable, it's on the table. >> reporter: let's go right to capitol hill, and nbc news senior political reporter sahil kapur, the senate began today's session, how far apart are democrats and republicans right now? >> reporter: they're still quite a ways apart. that's according to two sources i spoke to today. they're not there yet in terms of reaching a deal or a framework. senators met to negotiate that. some of the biggest sticking points according to the sources i have talked to include this question of expedited expulsion. the congresswoman was allude to go -- alluding to that there, to remove or deport people. democrats want to limit this to asylum at the border and not the

interior. there's a question of title 42 like powers to turn away migrants. again, republicans want this to be broad. democrats want to limit the scope of that, and then there are questions about restrictions on parole and asylum seekers who transit through a third country, for instance, nonmexicans coming through mexico. senate majority leader just spoke a moment ago, acknowledging they're not there. he's confident they're heading in the right direction. there's a lot underneath the surface. there are things that have to be ironed out. senator james langford spoke about that. let's play what he said. >> i think people don't understand the complexity and the number of decisions that have to be made on every single part. people see these big ideas and say it's spl just to be able o-to-settle that. underneath every big ide is a hundred smaller decisions that have to be made. >> reporter: which brings me to big obstacles that remain. let's put four items that i listed on the screen here.

there's the fine print, james langford was alluding to that. you have to write this in a very delicate way. these can be interpredy future presidents. moats are concerned that a future president, wheth it's donald trump or someone like him could try to abuse some of these powers if they're granted overly broadly for the president. there's the question of the republican-led house. there's no guarantee that something that gets through the senate is going to be accepted by the new republican speaker, mike johnson who's under pressure from hard liners to go much further, and there's the question of 2024. this is likely to bleed into the new election year, and that brings all sorts of complications with it, including the question of donald trump, who is marching to the republican nomination. he likes to stick his nose into legislative deals, gum them up at the last minute. could that have an impact. it's all up in the air, they are in choppy waters. >> this is obviously a legislative issue that has been elusive to finding any sort of

solution for decades. not just this current very polarized congress. thank you, sahil kapur, for your update there. in the latest in a series of stories from pro publica, about supreme court thomas's closures, he rsed the issue of raises so often there were fearse may resign over his pay. thomas's efforts to increase his own salary or push for alternative ways to make money as a justice led to a confidential memo in the year 2000 when then chief justice william rehnquist got this memo from a top judiciary official seeking guidance on what he termed a delicate matter. congress never gave justices a major raise or lifted the long standing ban on speaking fees. justice thomas did develop relationships with a set of wealthy benefactors who not only

gave him large gifts but subsidized regular expenses. >> these relationships were basic living expenses, things like batteries for his rv, private school tuition. all of these things were paid for by friends and political donors. you know, which is something that other justices have not done to our knowledge. >> and since those wealthy donors have stepped in, justice thomas has apparently not raised the pay issue. up next with israel facing mounting pressure to ease the intensity of its fighting in gaza and take on a more targeted approach, will benjamin netanyahu listen. plus, the deciders, on the ground insights from crucial voting blocs in several bellwether counties of the 2024 race, stay right there.

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government? what is your message to the prime minister? what is your message to a country that knows your son's name now? >> i want to say, you murdered my son twice. you let the hamas take my son on october 7th, and you killed my son on december 14th. they cannot help us. they don't deserve us as a country as a community. they are not our leaders. they are not thinking about the hostages. they are not thinking about us. >> the father of alan shambriz one of the three hostages killed by i df forces, demanding answers and accountability from the israeli government as anger

boils over in israel. however, despite the outrage among israelis and the mounting international calls to stop the campaign in gaza, the strategy so far remains unchanged. nbc's richard engel has the latest from israel. the three israeli hostages made white flags to warn their own army not to shoot. smearing sos in old food and writing this he brew, help three hostages, the israeli military released the hostages overnight saying the hostages were nonetheless mistakenly shot by israeli troops. israel's chief of staff told soldiers the friendly fire could have been avoided, saying the hostages took off their shirts so that no one would think they have an explosive device and held a white cloth on a poll, speaking hebrew, telling the troops never to shoot anyone

with their hands up. the families of hostages still in gaza are outraged, calling daily for israeli prime minister netanyahu to resume negotiations with hamas and bring their loved ones home. >> i am angry that the government let this situation get so far. i am angry at the world that is not supporting right now because this is the only way to bring them back home. and i am angry at -- right now, i am angry at all. >> reporter: opinion polls suggest israelis remain united in their support for the war in gaza to destroy hamas but not in prime minister netanyahu's leadership. under u.s. pressure, this weekend, israel opened a second crossing into gaza for humanitarian supplies, but it's still far too little. 12-year-old rosan al habash displayed from her home in northern gaza says she waits in line for hours to get food for her family. every day i wake up at eight and

leave for the food bank. sometimes we spend the day without eating anything, she says. >> human rights watch this morning accused israel of using starvation as a war crime. yesterday with international pressure growing, the israeli military continued to make its case for the offensive, releasing video of what it calls the largest tunnel its found underneath the gaza strip. and showing a man the military identified as the brother of a top hamas leader driving through it. nbc news has not been able to verify the footage. >> that is richard engel with that reporting from israel for us. and joining us now is gershon baskin, the middle east director for the international communities organization. he initiated the peace negotiations that led to the release of israeli soldier gilad shalit in 2011. the idf says the hostages and that incident involving the three who were killed by the idf is still under investigation, but an idf spokesperson said this today right here on msnbc.

>> we do not shoot people with white flags. we do not shoot people, even if they are people from gaza, even if they are hamas terrorists that have laid down their weapons in surrender, we do not shoot them. there's a lot to learn from this tragedy, and we are doing that. >> what's your reaction to what happened and how the israeli government is responding to the anger? >> it is tragic what happened on friday night to those three hostages who should have been home celebrating with their families, and i think the idf spokesperson as well as the chief of staff of the army made it very clear that it's against the rules of the israeli army itself, it's against our moral code to shoot people who are surrendering, even if they were hamas terrorists and they were surrendering, it is against the rules of the idf to shoot them. this is the result of a burden by urban warfare in a very

dangerous place with lots of booby traps, young soldiers who are unexperienced and very tired. and it should have never happened. it's tragic, and what we have to understand from this is that every day, the hostages are left in gaza is a risk to their lives. we have to bring them home. >> we have heard from prime minister netanyahu that the military pressure is what's going to lead to negotiations and that the israeli military is the very best, right, they're still trying to recover those hostages also as they continue their operations on the ground. but is israel capable of bringing the remaining hostages home without negotiations? >> no, i don't think they are, and i don't accept the idea that the military pressure is creating a willingness of hamas to negotiate. it seems to be the opposite. hamas has made it clear they're not willing to begin negotiations on hostages until there's a complete ceasing of the war, which is something israel is not ready to do. nonetheless, there are attempts

to renew negotiations, a meeting between the head of the cia and the prime minister of qatar took place today in warsaw, and for the first time in my knowledge in the history of israeli-hamas relations, it seems the israelis are taking the initiative and putting down an offer on the table to be discussed. now what we need is for the united states to apply extreme pressure on qatar for them to apply the pressure on hamas leadership in doha. >> there's the division right now over the issue of what comes after this war. you write in "the times of israel" that attempts at peacemaking hav tbe different after this horrible war, rying on mechanisms that would instill trust andomiance on both sides and not just a policy of containment, quote, netanyahu's strategy of removing the palestinian issue and with it the o-state solution from the gional global and even local agda had succeeded until it ew u in our on october 7th. it suld now be qte apparent

to all tt the most fundamental issue of consequence, the prime existential issue facing israelis and palestinians is the conflict between them. this conflict cannot be managed. it also cannot be strategized away unilaterally by the stronger side of the conflict. what do you mean by that? >> well, this war has to be a wake-up call for all israelis and palestinians. we have been busy killing each other for more than 100 years now, destroying each other, attempting to reject the resistance of the other side, and since we have now gone through the biggest trauma since the holocaust of the jewish people, and the palestinians are experiencing another catastrophe as they did in 1948. it's time for us not to forget, but to begin to look forward, not only backwards. we need the young generation of israelis and palestinians to stand up and say no more. and demand from our leaders who are going to be very different leaders after this war is over

because those who brought us here have to be held responsible for their breaches of trust with their own people, the israeli side and the palestinian side, and we need to find a way to recognize each other's right to be here. we all have the same right to the same rights. >> just a very quick answer, if you will, can a two-state solution happen with prime minister netanyahu as the country's leader? >> no, it cannot. that's why we need -- another reason why we need to replace him and we also need president biden to take the lead in recognizing state of palestine, after 30 years of talking about a two-state solution, we need to make it real. >> gershon baskin, i appreciate your discussion on all of this. the deciders, what's top of mind for voters in the u.s. in seven key counties heading into the 2024 election. plus, what a yearlong investigation into slaughter houses across the u.s. is

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with just 28 days until that first primary contest of the 2024 election cycle, we are introducing a brand new reporting project centered on seven battle ground counties that will shape next year's race. nbc national political correspondent steve kornacki is here to set it up, the deciders.

>> there are more than 3,100 counties in america, we're looking at seven over the next year that we think are going to offer some big clues about where the election might end up. here they are, the seven decider counties, quickly give you a sense of why we're looking at them. dane county, wisconsin, the university of wisconsin, massive democratic county. the question is democratic enthusiasm has been off the charts in the trump era. does that continue in 2024? democrats want to have an enthusiasm edge over rent. grand rapids, traditionally republican been moving away from trump. if trump's the nominee, does he start to win it bac erie county, pennsylvania, that went from trump '16 to biden in '20. it's more than half the state, as goes maricopa in 2024.

washoe county in nevada, gwinett county, fast growing, diversifying, atlanta metro area, it's the story of georgia. we'll take a look at that, and miami-dade, 70% hispanic population, one of the first to report out on election night. we'll find out a big clue about the hispanic vote in miami-dade. >> thanks for setting the stage. we have reporters in two key counties joining us now. shaquille brewster is in dane county, wisconsin, for us, and nbc news correspondent marissa parra in miami-dade county. shaquille, what are you hearing from voters and their top issues in the critical battleground county in wisconsin? >> reporter: well, look, dane county, wisconsin, is home to young, progressive voters that turned out for president biden or at least in that election at a rate of 90% voter turnout. you had three out of every four voters voting for president biden, and when you talk to

voters the issues that are top of mind, student loans, abortion access, the economy, all things that are front and center. the problem that you're seeing now, one thing that's most animating is the israel and hamas war. you'll see in our latest nbc news poll, 70% of young voters disapprove of the way president biden is handling that war, and his reaction to the war and the problem that that could mean for 2024 is that translates to how people view president biden. i want you to listen to some of the conversations i have been having here in madison. >> you can say that joe biden's, you know, he's not as progressive as you would like, he's not this. he's too old. the guy is at least reasonable and has some sort of logic to what he does and understands the basics of i guess, how to be a president. >> at the time in 2020, i looked at biden like a used car, it will disappoint me. it's not going to have leather seats and all the stuff that i want but i mean, hopefully it will get me from point a to

point b, and i think he did that. >> it's not an easy, you know, answer of donald trump versus biden. i think what's happening outside of the u.s. is so important for a lot of people that if it is, you know, a yes vote, which i think if the election was tomorrow, i would vote for him against donald trump. >> now, the biden campaign is saying, hey, it is early, that they are seeing these voters that they take them seriously, and already investing in them early in this process. that's part of why we're doing this project, right, we will be coming back to dane county, talking with the same voters, talking to new voters to see how these opinions and how these moods shift over time as we get closer to election day, ana. >> and meanwhile, marissa, you're in miami-dade county where 7 in 10 residents are hispanic or latino. what have you learned about why republicans have been gaining more traction in that key county? >> reporter: well, as always, it's a complex set of factors,

ana, but we know that a few of them are hard line policies, visibility and messaging. when we talk about republicans and their wins and their gains here, we know that they have had a pretty aggressiveampaign strategy over the last few years. you can see that playing out even in the last two years, but look at the vin trends from 2012 to the midterms of last october. you ca s democratic erosion. you can see the wi. i think the most striking here ene talk about why and by how much republicans have really gained traction here in miami-dade couy. look at the difference between the support for former president trump before his presidency and after. i mean, that is a leap from 34 percentage points to 46, 2016 to 2020, and then florida governor ron desantis winning with over 55 percentage points. that is something that this county has not seen since 2002. so i think that there's a couple of factors here. you have, of course, the largest

cuban american population here, we talk about 70% of miami-dade residents identify as hispanic or latino. we know that half of that population identifies as cuban. but there is another half there, and that is something that a lot of campaigns tend to neglect. we're talking about nicaraguans, peruvians, some of these populations continue to increase as we see certain crises like we have with venezuela. we're seeing an influx in migrants, people coming here to florida and miami specifically, so that could be an interesting factor here that we're going to keep an eye on over the next year, ana. another thing that has been interesting to watch and study is the attacks from the republican side against the democrats. so when we talk about some of the effective strategies here, when you have people living here who fled from socialist countries when there is an attack ad tying president biden to socialists, that's going to

be a sure fire way to get people to vote for the other side, and that is something we have seen repeatedly through different mediums both in english and spanish, ana. >> those are key counties that you are in, and you're talking about key demographics in those counties, too. there's so much depth in your reporting, and that will continue to reveal as we move forward here. shaquille brewster, marissa parra, thank you both for that. coming up, a new complaint just filed against rudy giuliani, the details after the break. e break. and my friends are nearby. i can do it with the help of a barber, personal shopper and exercise buddy. someone who can help me live right at home. life's good. when you have a plan. ♪ ♪ hi! need new glasses? get more from your benefits at visionworks. how can you see me squinting? i can't! i'm just telling everyone! ...hey!

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complaint just filed against rudy giuliani as he has continued to make the same false claims against georgia election workers, ruby freeman and sha ns justic what can you tell us about the new filing? >> reporter: so what the plaintiffs are r seeking is an injunction i that would bar giuliani from making future false allegations against them in connection with their activity around the 2020 election. everyel time ry uliani waujed to the camera during his trial last week he couldn't resist making additional comments about what they didma in 2020, continuing to support these falsent lies that they did anything wrong. he just made those comments over and over again, said that his original comments were supportive and that the claims against them were true when, in fact, w they were false just as you know, thest jury obviously

last week ultimately returned this $148 million verdict in this case.14 you know, obviously giuliani is going to be appealing that down theto line, but for now what they're seeking is for a judge to orderis him to stop making these new defamatory claims about the workers at issue here, ana. >> it seems they don't believe he has learnedem his lesson jus yet. ryan reilly, thank you for that update. we have this breaking news oute of the 11th circuit courtf appeals in atlanta. this court just affirmed the lower court t decision denying mark meadows' request to move his state' criminal charges to federal court. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade for more on this. what doesba thisfo ruling mean mark meadows and for others who have been trying to move their cases out of state court into federal court? >> reporter: well, it is a significant decision, ana. we had this oral argument just friday, so i think there was an expectation we would see t week go by before we got a decision from the court of w appeals.

we get it the very next business day. i think that shows the resounding defeat that meadows has beenth handed here. so itbe means this case will st in state court in georgia, and i think that this signals anybody else who might try to remove that case out of state court and into federal court would suffer aou similar fate. in fact, donald trump did not even seem to try to go down thid route. so ie. think fanny willis will successful. all of this iswi staying right there in georgia on her home turf. >> does this put the issue to rest then? >> it does put the issue to rest. i suppose there's always the possibility it could beo appead to the supreme court. thatto is one possibility. i think that ultimately once this issue gets resolved, mark meadows really has to start thinking aboutas cooperation an perhaps pursuing some sort of guilty plea. it appears he may have already gone down that road in the federal case and perhaps he was waiting to see if he could get this case removed before he entered into those negotiations. those must be looking a lot better to him now. >> barbara mcquade as we learn

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a new documentary from nbc news called "slaughter house children" includes new information on this case. joining us now is nbc homeland security correspondent julia ainsley whose groundbreaking reporting is part of this documentary. what more do we know about devon perez and the investigation into his case in. >> we have been bringing you pieces of the reporting all year as we learned more. he has been a narrative that helped us capture what is happening across the country, as more migrant children, particularly guatemalan children end up working in dangerous conditions inside meat packing plants because they're trying to send money back to families and in some cases repay smugglers. here is what we learned. he was working the night shift at marchjack poultry in july when he was killed getting sucked into equipment that accidentally turned on. he was 16 years old. his uncle told us he was a happy

teenager. [ speaking global language ]. >> reporter: he worked overnight at the slaughter house and by day attended middle school here, a few grades behind other kids his age. he wasn't the first person to get caught in a machine and die at the plant. >> a 48-year-old man died from his injuries following an accident that happened at the poultry plant in hattiesburg on monday night. >> reporter: he came from to the u.s. from guatemala with his family. more than a quarter of million children have arrived in this country without their parents. while we looked into his family and his death we learned more from a lawyer representing marjack who said they could not guarantee there were not other children working at that plant

or other plants. we found this happening in multiple companies in multiple states across the united states and it continues to be the subject of federal investigations although investigators say in many cases their hands are tied and the penalties for something like this is pretty minimal, just about over $15,000 per child if a company is found to have hired a child. they say they need more tools to hold companies accountable and to go after places that might be exploiting children. >> disturbing. fascinating reporting. julia ainsley, thank you. please do stay on it. that's going to do it for us today. thank you so much for joining us. hope your monday is off to a good start. i'll see you back here tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern for "ana cabrera reports." "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪ ♪ hi, everyone. it is 4:00 in new york. i'm ali velshi in for nicolle wallace. long-time viewers