puts you in the mood. indeed they are. here in minden minden, we try to strive to not have christmas be so commercialized. >> sally has minden roots that go back generations. >> it's more about tradition and nostalgia and families making stories. and you can drive around the city square as many times as you want. >> our friend melissa moved here just a few years ago. in part because of the lights. part because of the lights. it was something i wanted to be a part of. it is just so great. not so fancy, these lights, just fine. for more than 100 years. harry smith, nbc news, minden, nebraska. some christmas cheer to take us off the air tonight. and on that note, i wish you a

good night and i am symone sanders townsend in for stephanie ruhle. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. ♪ ♪ ♪ the capital of the great state of mississippi is of course jackson. the airport in jackson, mississippi is called jackson medgar widely evers international airport. that airport in jackson is named after medgar evers, the civil rights leader. he was a decorated u.s. army veteran in world war ii. after he came home from the war, after the united states supreme court ruled on brown versus the board of education. in may 1954, segregation, racial segregation was of course supposed to end in american public schools. as you know, it did not. six months after brown v. board, the naacp named medgar evers its first ever field secretary

in the state of mississippi. they named him field secretary in mississippi so he could lead their efforts in that state to organize against segregation, to organize for civil rights. and in 1963, medgar evers was murdered. he was shot in the back in his own driveway he. was only 37 years old. but now, the jackson mississippi international airport is named for him. and just a few days ago on thursday, the jackson medgar evers international airport had a very serious scare. they had a bomb threat that caused the whole airport to be searched for explosives. that happened on thursday. and then, that same day, there was another bomb threat to the airport in tupelo, mississippi. and then, there was another bomb threat that same day to the airport in hattiesburg, mississippi. and then, there was another bomb threat that same day to

the airport in gulfport biloxi, mississippi. all on thursday, at least two of those four mississippi airports were not only searched for explosive. they actually had to be evacuated in shutdown. that was all on thursday. and then, it was the synagogues, also, this was on thursday. in addition to the four airports, including the big one at jackson, the state capital, there were two mississippi synagogues that had bomb threats filmed on that same day. in tupelo, mississippi, and in columbus, mississippi, where the rabbi of the temple of israel did not even bother calling the local police. he immediately called the fbi directly. as soon as he got the bomb threat. the synagogue was closed down and searched by bomb sniffing dogs. both of those northeast mississippi synagogues up their security. that was on thursday. and then, there was this weekend, saturday morning, seven a.m., daphne, alabama,

which is not far from northern alabama. the rabbi gets a bomb threat. the threat says there are bombs in place. they are well hidden and they will go off in a few hours. the police squad comes in, clears the building at congregation mayim. a nearby church, church on the same road as that synagogue in daphne, alabama offered to open its own doors and let the congregation of the synagogue hold its services at the church instead for safety, because of the bomb threat at the synagogue. then, just a few hours later, just before 8:30 a.m. saturday morning, it's congregation in boulder, colorado, they get a bomb threat. saturday services are canceled. it is the oldest continuously operating synagogue in the city of boulder, colorado. those bomb threats in alabama,

colorado, those were saturday. and then here's sunday. >> following breaking news this evening, six out of seven jewish entities received bomb threats today. >> several threats were made against jewish temples across maine today. >> breaking news tonight, a bomb threat called into the house of worship in a township. >> synagogues in the st. louis area targeted with bomb threats. >> there is concern as missouri now joins other states that have reported threats against jewish communities. security officials say it's clear that motive is to strike via. >> they are investigating a series of bomb threats in synagogues. >> at least half of the jewish congregations in the state today received an email that said there was an explosive device hidden in the building. the spiritual leader received an email stating there were multiple explosives hidden throughout the building which will detonate within a few hours. the church was occupied at that time and had to be evacuated while officers in the counties

canine unit searched the building. ng >> new jersey, maine, alabama, missouri, massachusetts,, this was this weekend. we had two synagogues in roswell, georgia get bomb threats. three synagogues in grieve gore mississippi, sending dogs there. in maine, bomb threats. in augusta, maine, bomb threat. in south portland, maine, another synagogue gets evacuated after a bomb threat discovered by police. and east plant in michigan, this threat, quote, there are multiple explosives in the synagogue. they are well hidden and they would go off and a few hours. you will all die. >> police in east lansing still today asking for the public's help and identifying who is behind those threats. in salt lake city at utah, early sunday, antisemitic

vandalism at a local school, and a bomb threat sent to the congregation in the senate of. and alabama, the bomb threats, saturday and sunday, they go to synagogues and jewish community centers in alabama, selma alabama, auburn alabama. three different ones and montgomery including the jewish federation of central alabama. in western massachusetts, bump threats go to synagogues influence massachusetts, and pittsfield, and great barrington, and north adams. massachusetts state police sent bomb scotts squads. they say more than 30 synagogues and jewish cultural centers got bumps this weekend. in florida, state police say it was more than 30 synagogues and jewish community centers and that state as well on sunday. in washington, d.c., just before 9:30 on sunday, rabbi was teaching class when someone opened a door of the synagogue. they open the door of the synagogue while this class is going on indoors with the rabbi. that congregate notices u-haul

truck parked wildly on the sidewalk, basically up against the synagogue. the man gets out of the u-haul truck and sprays something at the congregate. and that somebody is passing by, and the man yells, because the jews. police respond. they arrested the man. but you decorate the horrible mayborough -- they evacuated the whole neighborhood. that same day, that same synagogue in d.c. got a bomb threat, like all these other synagogues all across the country. and in mississippi, after the threats to the four different airports, and the northern mississippi synagogues on thursday, on sunday, the bomb threat was to the largest synagogue in the whole state. that is the israel congregation in jackson. they had emergency responders on site all day, all services and programs canceled. they know what to do at israel, jackson, they had to do this before. in 1967, just four years after

a clansmen murdered medgar evers in his driveway in jackson. in 1967, the klan also bombed the israeli synagogue in jackson. the very same synagogue that was evacuated for the bomb threats this evening. beth israel and jackson was bombed by the klan in 1967. the rabbi of the congregation had his house bombed as well. and, you know, yesterday, it all comes back, they evacuated again. bomb threats. across the country, there was hundreds of them. this is part of the climate right now in the united states of america. this is what it's like in our country right now. within just the past few days, the attorney general in the state of massachusetts and the attorney general in the state of new hampshire both announced new legal action against a self proclaimed neo-nazi group that has been menacing people in both those new england states. we are gonna speak tonight with the attorney general of massachusetts about that case,

about the strategy, about what law enforcement options are when it comes to what are intended to be incidents of terroristic menace, targeting minorities, targeting groups that get scapegoated, targeting people who get blamed and demonized and spotlighted for intimidation and threats and violence. we are gonna talk live with massachusetts attorney general about that tonight. but beyond the quarters of the legal system, this is also something that has a purpose, right? people do this for a reason. this isn't like something that people can't stop themselves from doing. they do this for a reason. they do this because they think it works for them. this advances them towards the goal they want. how does this kind of terroristic menace or? what does it accomplish? why is this a political tactic? sometimes, it's easier to see

in other time period or in other time places than it is to see in our own. consider this, it is from our country but it's from a long time ago, 1939. 1939, which intel committee took testimony, very high profile this is what, he got a lot of attention at the time. they took testimony from one of the most famous army generals in that united states. his name wasn't general george van horn mostly. until not long before this committee testimony, a general, george van horn mostly, has been the deputy chief of staff of the u.s. army. very, very, very senior person in the united states military. deputy chief. he goes before the congress and he testifies in 1939 that he believed there was more than 6 million communists in the united states of america, and more than 90% of them had to be jews. by then, general moseley had put himself forward to the leading fascist groups in america as a potential military

dictator for the night states, ic is what they were working for, and what he thought we needed in this untry. and why would we need a dictator instead of our democracy? democr acy? well, general moseley told congress in 1939, quote, the first thing i would do if i was in the white house, gentlemen, i would issue an order immediately discharging every communist now in the government of the united states. he told congress, quote, i believe in watching our breed in america very carefully. he told congress that hitler in germany had, quote, solve the racial problem. by 1939, general moseley was publicly advocating, speaking to, publicly advocating for the sterilization of all jewish immigrants in america. this man had been deputy chief of staff in that united states army, 1939. the following year in 1940, 17

members of a group called the christian front, arrested and put on trial for sedition. they had stolen u.s. military weapons. they had stockpiled quite a lot of bombs for a plot to overthrow the u.s. government by force. again, it was huge news in the country at the time. the question front blend to kick it off by murdering congressman, particularly jewish congressman. and then, they plan to bomb jewish and left-wing sites in new york city, which they hoped would set off some kind of communist, violence, reaction. they expected there will be an ensuing emergency, that there will be enough violence in the streets that they would be a state of emergency with results in at least a temporary military takeover of that civilian functions of government, and that will put them in a position to install a military dictatorship in eight states. they thought if he could just lump together the jews and the communists, well that will sound so bad and so scary for the whole, whole of the country,

justifying throwing out a whole system of government on basically an emergency basis, to stop this terrible threat and then they could get rid of democracy once and for all. put somebody in there who would run things more along the lines of the leaders they admired in europe. republican congressman hamilton fish of new york, famously, he went to germany in the eve of world war ii, the eve of the united states getting involved in world war ii. he spent considerable time with the nazi government in berlin, including flying around europe on the private airplane of the nazi former minister. he led a high-level nazi agent, and wishful office in washington, to run a huge operation that circulated pro german propaganda throughout the united states. congressman hamilton fish did not display any public antisemitism. but he did contribute to a glowing book length assessment in 1933 about how hitler and

the nazis had done the world a huge favor by striking a blow against communism. because, sure, anything is justified against communism. am i right? is there some kind of, you know, existential threat that not only looks in the world, but it's coming from here at home, coming from within somehow. you do almost anything to stop it, right? you would agree to do things you would never otherwise agree to. it's an emergency. you get people exercised enough about the threat, if you use just the right words, you get people exercised enough about that threat, and who is to blame for the threat? and frankly, who is to blame for everything? you don't have to be rational, but just people emotionally exercised, get people afraid enough about it. and they are liable to do things they would never otherwise agree to. i have this new book out called prequel, american fight against fascism. it tells the story of moseley,

and the question front, and others, because i wanted to try and tell the story right now of how these kinds of tactics have worked here in the united states in the past not just abroad but here. there were a surprisingly large number of americans here who wanted fascism here in that lead up to world war ii. because that same menacing rhetoric and propaganda and scapegoating about jews, that same menacing propaganda about how the only threat in the world was on the left and we need to abandon all restraint, all weakness, and questioning the internal and a means, that rhetoric, that propaganda, that language, that political tactic didn't just work in the countries that turned into dictatorships and the 1930s. that political tactic worked on a lot of americans here just as well as it worked abroad, because it is an effective political tactic. and, you know, nobody is a nazi

but a nazi, nobody is hitler but mussolini -- there is no point in making -- there's no cause to make any sort of modern analogy to the fascist dictatorship of the 1930s. but we are having this weird moment in american news and politics right now where half the country is shouting about the republican presidential nominee, quoting those dictators. he keeps saying the exact kinds of things that hitler and mussolini said as they ascended to and consolidated power. and you see the names of those dictators and you see the discussion of that period in history all over the news right now because he is saying those things. he is effectively quoting mussolini and hitler in some of their most effective propagandistic tactics. but pointing out that he is saying hitler-esque and mussolini-esque things turns out, does it not be enough to

make him stop saying those things? he doesn't mind being compared to those people. why is he willing to keep saying those things? despite everybody pointing out, hey, that's what hitler said, that's what mussolini said. you don't want to be a hitler or a mussolini. do you? why is it not enough to stop him from using those tactics, from saying those things, from trying to make people think about the world that way? it's not enough because those things worked for him. there is a reason that it is, you know, it's dictators and authoritarians who talk about their internal enemies being government, who have to be rooted out or exterminated. there is a reason that authoritarians who talk about immigrants poisoning the blood of the country. there is a reason they do it because it works on people. it makes people want to put a strongman in charge, to break

all the rules and destroy those very scary enemies, right? iran fist. there's been all this discussion, i know, in the past few days about former president, the republican presidential front runner, playing this fascist dictator mix tape, right? i want to be a dictator. i will root out the vermin amongst us, the marxist, communist vermin, those poisoning the blood of the country. there's been a lot of discussion about that in recent days and there should be. but pointing at it and saying that sounds really dictator like is not enough, right? why is it that even after everybody pointed out that those were hitler-esque and mussolini-esque statements, he kept doing them, right? these are things he tried in the last few weeks. he's now repeating them. he is putting them in writing. he is making them part of his regular speeches. why is he doing that? because these things are getting a good response, good response, a response that he likes, not just the outrage of his critics which he likes.

but the pleasure and the support of the people who like him the most. a des moines registered poll this weekend says the des moines register media come i will pull this weekend, that poll asked iowa republicans about trump's recent statements among, along those lines. the poll asked whether these comments from trump would make you more or less likely to support him, iowa republican. and the answers are worth paying attention to. on his claim that immigrants are poisoning the blood of america, which is straight out of -- on the vermin in the united states that needs to be rooted out, which comes straight out of the playbook of mussolini and hitler, even his pledge to build giant camps to hold millions of people in this country, on those statements, i or complicit voters say as of this weekend, those statements from trump make them more likely to vote for him not less.

these things that trump is saying right now, they sound familiar, not just because he is going for shock value, not just because he is going for that transgressive thrill of saying things that famous dictators and genocidal maniacs have said in the past. the reason these things sound familiar and he has started to repeat them, make them part of his regular repertoire, it's because this stuff works. there's a reason hitler and mussolini said this stuff. it worked then. it works now. it has worked abroad all over the world. and yes, it has worked here as well. more than we like to remember which is why i wrote this book this year. it's not just bad and dangerous thing he is doing, that you can stop him from doing by pointing out that it's bad and dangerous. this kind of rhetoric, trying to turn americans, not just against each other, but to the idea that some people among us are so dangerous that they must

be exterminated, that some threats to us justify terminating the constitution, that justify being a dictator if only for a day. this is the sort of thing that has a political point. it is designed to make you believe that a democratic system with checks and balances and the constraint of the rule of law, and elections where people are voted out sometimes, and divided power within government, those things are not up to stopping these terrible evils that threaten us, the terrible threat that some people among us posed to the rest of. this stuff is practically efficient. it's designed to make us think that we need a strongman. we need a tough man. we don't need a legal system, and all its constraints. we don't need a court system. we don't need a political process. we don't need politicians. we don't need congress. we need strength, will, action, revenge, broken rules, maybe even violence. these statements are not just supposed to shock you. they are supposed to work on you, to make you believe we

need something new and extreme to deal with our terrible problems if only for a little while, maybe, maybe just a temporary dictatorship. and these tactics have a terrible history of working really well. in other countries and yes here in our past. once you realize that it is a political tactic, well, that, how do you stop it from working? if it has worked well in the past, what have we learned from the past about how to stop it from working so well again? well, it's not rocket science, but it does stick work and right now, i think it should hopefully go without saying that one thing that needs to be done is to refuse personally, individually, all of us to play any part in any politics that depends on you thinking of your political opponents as monsters, to refuse to participate in any politics that depends on any

group in society being seen as a menace, as something that needs to be eliminated or rooted out. it means standing up for any group that has been targeted that way. and, yes, there is a rolled for regular citizens in that. thank you to that daphne, alabama church that offered its church facilities to the local synagogue down the road at had to flee in the face of that bomb threat before the start of saturday services this weekend. there is a space there for regular people. but there's also a place for law enforcement. as i thought, the massachusetts attorney general is here next. it also means that the legal system has to be both used and defended. right? the legal system needs to play a role in prosecuting crimes, upholding the idea that the rule of law still applies, and it needs to be protected from political pressure and intimidation. it also means we need to both

use and defend the political system that we do have, that the anti-democratic forces among us want us to abandon. when they attack not just election results but election workers, that is part of breaking the small the democratic system, which of course makes it easier for us to imagine throwing it away. tonight, ruby freeman and shaye moss, to georgia election workers, have sued trump lawyer rudy giuliani again to stop him from defaming and attacking them further after a court awarded them one who'd $48 million in damages for his previous defamation attacks. protecting people like that, making sure that people like that are both protected and that this is dumb work for them to get justice. that is part of it too. standing up for people attacked or scapegoated, stopping

violence and intimidation in the political system, both through solidarity, at the regular human level, but also through law enforcement. if ending not just the idea of elections as an abstract but the people who make elections work at the nuts and bolts level. refusing to give into the idea that we are somehow different kinds of humans, that we need an iron fist to protect one another, to protect us from one another more than we need democracy. you can't just object to these tactics and say, wow, that's what dictators of your have used. it's to recognize that dictators of your have used those things because these tactics have been effective at getting people to want to give up democracy. and they put themselves in the hands of strongman leaders, instead. it's recognizing that this stuff isn't just offensive. it works, and it's not history. it's now. and that's what we're gonna talk about tonight in all its practical nuts and bolts.

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weekend that alex jones, the conspiracy theorists and purveyor of dietary supplements, he's start trying to figure it a way to get out of playing the billion and a half dollars that he's been assigned to pay to families, that he was found guilty of defaming. the families of the victims of the 2012 sandy hook elementary massacre, they filed a civil suit from the years that he was calling the massacre a hoax, on his media network. he the court avoided those families a building and a half dollars in damages from alex jones, mr. zones is now asking them would you take roughly

three and a half percent of that instead? how about a 96% discount off those damages? how about i proposed to pay you not 1.5 billion dollars but $55 million that's's offer in bankruptcy court the sandy hook families you, will be not be surprised to learn have a different idea, how about you just liquidate your billion accepts right now, including a meeting accompanying give the proceeds to the families. he would be allowed to keep his house, but alex jones incorporated goes away. permanently. in other words, we don't want to share in your profits we want your company which profited so many years from our grief, we want that company gone. that's one example of what a civil lawsuit can do, a judge could decide that alex jones's media network has to be dissolved, we shall see. another example what a civil suit can do. the 148 million dollar jury verdict against rudy giuliani

for the lives he spread about two georgia election worker, lies about them stealing the election from donald trump, lives that ended their lives. no one knows what he's capable of paying, what it might mean for his livelihood. those two election workers today, filed a new lawsuit against giuliani, because even after that hundred and 48 million-dollar verdict against them, he went immediately wipe back to spouting the same lies that got him slapped with that huge judgment. we're gonna speak with attorney for those election works about the new lawsuit, here live in just a moment. >> but this broader question of what civil lawsuits can do? what role they have to play with justice in cases like this? it's obviously very live, issues like alex jones and rudy giuliani cases. civil cases have also been used to cheat shickley against, for lack of a better term, the civil lawsuit that was filed against the white nationalist

neo-nazi organize of the unite the right rally in charlottesville in 2017 that, resulted in a jury award of $26 million in damages against the organizers. that kind of penalty can restrict the ability of groups like that of great, it can even potentially put them out of business entirely. keep that in mind, now we know we have a couple new lawsuits, a couple new legal actions along those same lines, taking and days of one another. one by the attorney general of the state of massachusetts, one about the date of new hampshire, each of them have taken legal action against the white national war group -- this is all those groups like to be known, by their acronym. and se stands for national socialist club, as in national socialism, as an not cease, these guys are self-declared not sees. they are being sued for violent

harassment of minorities and immigrants. the group has been engaged in all kinds of activity like this across new line from the past several years, new hampshire filed its first civil suit against the group early this year after the group hung équipe new england white batter over a highway overpass. the suit was dismissed, but now the group is facing these legal actions into states. how effective is that likely to be? how good is this as a tactic against this kind of terrorist? >> joining us now is massachusetts attorney general andrea campbell, her office has taken action against this neo-nazis group. >> thanks for coming. >> thanks for having me. >> i didn't explain it in full detail, did i get that basics right here in terms of the idea behind this legal action?

>> pretty much. this is like you described, the salad of proclaim neo-nazis group founded here in massachusetts, that has put out publicly that they think nuke englanders should only be for white people. a certain type of white demographic we are going after them because of those beliefs, if they held those beliefs in meetings in private settings, i wouldn't attend the meeting but that's not why we're going after them. we're going after them because of the horrific conduct, and unlawful conduct of terrorizing folks of different demographics all across the commonwealth, whether migrants, lgbtq+ community, or anyone in saying that comment is on lawful and unacceptable here in massachusetts. we think we have a strong case, here very here to see new hampshire, to have a republican attorney general taking on this group for this conduct here and

of course new england. >> it's an important point, this is a nonpartisan in new england, we've got a republican there, and nondiscriminatory moms here, taking a slightly different approach. but targeting the same group. can you just explain, i'm trying to think in big picture nationwide about the options that law enforcement officials have in terms of using the legal system in constructive ways. both to protect the constitution, but protect people from this kind of menace. why did you see the advantage here of civil litigation, of this kind best-case in army when you think the impact of the litigation will be? >> there are some criminal aspects to their conduct, there have been district attorneys in massachusetts that have attempted to take that on, sometimes unsuccessfully. they're difficult cases to prosecute. here we have not only a strong

basis under a civil rights law which is progressive in massachusetts to go after the conduct in those group in addition to that for violations of art trespass, nuisance laws, public accommodation laws. our day to get relief to get them to stop what they're doing, patrolling peoples neighborhoods targeting demographics, thereby blocking access in to public spaces, for all of us. i've been telling folks this isn't about targeting specific groups, this is about blocking access and violating the rights of many residents in massachusetts, and those who visit massachusetts. we think we have a strong case but other hope that is really important, we seek constructive relief here, if they violate our civil rights law in that injunction, we can see criminal penalties. there is a range of options available to us, we are at the beginning stages. i think it sets a tone that we're gonna take on this kind of behavior, and not just allow

it to persist in massachusetts going forward. >> massachusetts attorney general andrea campbell, thank you so much for your time this evening. i'm interested in this tie this case and the strategy. we would love to have you back to see how the case is proceeding. >> sounds great thank you. >> we've got much more ahead with me tonight stay with us.

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gottlieb, one of the eternities for freeman and moss. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> what will this lawsuit do that the first one didn't. >> the first one was a suit for damages and other forms of relief, declaratory refute. this is a suit where we are seeking a permanent injunction to prevent giuliani from saying the same false statements about our clients, that he has been making since december of 2020, and which beautiful opportunity to prove to be true. if he had chosen to do so and discovery in this case. he opted out. he defaulted, after finding by a jury awarding him damages, we don't believe he should be able to continue telling the same lies out on the streets that have been unable to defend and prove in court. >> the massive damages award that your clients obtained against him was apparently not enough to stop him from making these ongoing claims. how would a permanent injunction have more teeth in

it, then the huge financial penalty that he is facing? >> it's subject them to the supervision of the federal coat, if we are successful in obtaining an injunction, i'm quite confident we will be. he will have at that point the supervision of a federal judge, anytime he violates the injunction will be at risk in held unfit with fines and potentially jail time, if he continues to do so. look, the reality here really all we want him to do is to take our clients name out of his mouth. if he agreed to do that we did enough to file this additional lawsuit, but he wasn't willing to do it. i think we would like him to know that we are serious, we are going to continue to pursue this. all he has to do is agreed to stop telling lies about our clients. this doesn't have to be a problem for him. if it's not going to do that, then it's gonna be a decision of the courts and we'll see where that takes us. >> i think a lot of americans

have felt emotionally compelled and upset by the harm that was done to your clients, the way they were attacked in the way their lives were up and and. there is something a beyond their victimization, in their bravery in pursuing justice in this case, and standing up and putting their names to their testimony both in court in the january six investigation, explaining what happened to them. insisting that it is not okay, insisting on pursuing accountability. that includes flying this additional lawsuit even after their tribe in court on friday. i have to ask you, at a human level, how are they? it's one thing to see them made victims in the way that they were. but to see their bravery here is to colin something else yet further from them. how are they, and how do they feel about the additional step? >> i think they are feeling great, following the jury

verdict. they feel vindicated, they feel heard. they had their day in court. they had the day the opportunity to testify under oath, did so knowing that most people understand that doing so means you subject yourself to in face of discovery, in the subject yourself to cross examine, you put yourself out there and having done that, to be validated by a court decision and a jury verdict of this kind is gratifying. they know there is still work to do. they know in the understand that there are still more fighting to be done, to fully clear their name and to stop people from repeating the same lies over and over again. it's not just going to get away they get that, but they are so tough and they are so determined and they really are an inspiration and how willing they are to continue, fighting this fight. if you listen to shaye moss's comments outside of court on

friday you hear she is doing it for the other election workers out there, the other civil servants out there. to let them. know that there is an option for them but they will be protected, will stop into turn or the other bad actors out there for engaging in the same kind of character assassination that we've seen far too often in our country over the past years. >> to stand up against what happened to them, to get justice for what happened to them. but to stop anybody from ever trying this against anyone else who just this kind of work. >> michael gottlieb attorney representing ruby freeman and shaye moss thank you for your time tonight, keep us posted this is an important new step. >> we will be right back stay with us. s. i'm orlando and i'm living with hiv. i don't have to worry about daily hiv pills because i switched to every-other-month cabenuva.

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relationship between the accuser, a woman, the florida republican charity, and also his wife. the three of them together in the thing. the aforementioned wife of the republican, makes them a founder of the anti game book banning group, moms for liberty. she personally helped write the florida don't say gay law, which was apparently going on in our own home, or whatever. the combination of the hypocrisy of this epic level and the electoral politics, and the alleged crime here. it's a lot. even by florida standards. the chairman of the state republican party is still maintaining his innocence but, yesterday the executive board of the florida republican party took action gave him, they voted to strip him of his authority a state party chair. they reduced his salary to $1. they censured him and they told

him to resign. in one sense you can make of this what you want, whether florida republicans are taking action because their chairman's wife appears to be both and against and also into the game at the same time, whether they are repelled by the specific allegations, whether trying to make it go away, so it doesn't cost the upcoming elections. whatever. the point here, the example the florida example are setting, political parties turns out are, not inert bystanders that have no power when it comes to deciding who gets to be in charge in politics, and specifically in their party. political parties can police themselves. even people who fight back against censure, they can still be censured. they could have their salary reduced to $1, all over their power can be taken away. political parties are institutions, that can play an important role in policing bad behavior, these are how our

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