when other companies who use this see what has happened with rite aid, is the expectation that it will serve as maybe speeding things up to take a second look? >> definitely will bring i think a chilling effect across the sector and not just in facial recognition, but anyone who is trying to profile any of us ahead of time using biometrics, using ae. the fact that the ftc has stepped up and done this i think definitely draws a line in the sand. >> jake ward, thank you for that. that does it for us. make sure that you join us every day at 1:00 p.m. katy tur reports is right now with alex witt. >> very good to be with you. it looks like colorado's landmark decision to kick donald trump off the state's primary ballot is headed to the supreme

court. yesterday the state supreme court ruled that the former president should be barred from holding office under the constitution's so-called insurrection clause. however state justices have agreed to pause their decision until january 4, meaning donald trump has time to appeal, which he said that he will do at the u.s. supreme court, quote, swiftly. so how much of a shot does he have of reversing it? the use of this little known civil war era provision is unprecedented, and yesterday's decision was also not unanimous. so we'll dig into the dissenting opinions and how they could play out. but also prominent supporters and opponents of the former president are expressing their opinion. most significant, president biden who just said there is, quote, no question trump assumed an insurrection. the ruling does not apply outside of colorado. lawsuits challenging donald trump's candidacy have been filed in more than 25 states. this ahead of 2024.

and have so far failed in key ones like arizona and michigan. so what makes colorado different? and could yesterday's win make pending appeals in states where efforts have fallen through any stronger? i'll be speaking with the president of the advocacy group responsible for bringing the suit in a moment. but let's start with the reporting of what it means for 2024. joining us now, vaughn hillyard, lisa rubin and also steve patterson who is in denver for us. we'll get to you in a moment. give us a sense first with you, vaughn, what is donald trump saying right now? >> there is a lot on the line for donald trump. two major supreme court decisions pending. the supreme court could be ringing in the new year with donald trump and his legal team. for donald trump, he was on the campaign stage yesterday and he made it clear that he is putting pressure on the biden

administration and the court system in turning his masses against what he says is political persecution. i think that this filing that just came out from his legal team to the supreme court to try to slow down the trial is just one example. they say that the fact that this case a rises in the vortex of political dispute warns caution, not haste. and donald trump wants to delay this case beyond the march 4 start date. i have to keep coming back to if we expect a three month long trial that will take us right into the heart of the summer. in july the national convention will decide the nominee. and donald trump only has the interests of putting the supreme court decisions off, not having them soon are than he would like to. >> let's talk about the whole 14th amendment argument that has been used in colorado. why it won in court there.

because it has failed so far elsewhere. >> and i think it is important to understand the reasons that it has failed elsewhere. it hasn't failed on the merits. the other courts that have decided this issue are not parsing the language of section 3 of the 14th amendment, nor are they making fact all findings as to whether trump participated or supported an insurrection rather what i would design it a cheap route on the. that the case is not ready to be decided. because the text of the 14th amendment prohibits someone who participates in an insurrection from holding office. what it doesn't prohibit is running for office. so you have a couple courts deciding on those grounds. you have other courts saying that the people who have sued don't have sufficient injury to be the plaintiffs in such a case. but they aren't reaching the real merits of the issue here. and so in colorado, the plaintiffs crossed both of those thresholds and because of that, that is what allowed the colorado supreme court and this

133 page decision to describe what trump did as an insurrection but also to say that he falls within the am bit of the language of section 3, that he is an officer of the united states who can be prohibited from holding office again. >> and i think it speaks to the traordinary situation here, unprecedented, right? but let's get to one of the dissenting votes fro colorado chief justice brian boatright. he writes that my opinion that this is an inadequate cause of action is dictated by the facts of this case, particularly the absence of a criminal conviction for an insurrection-related offense. so is that fair point, lisa? not a conviction yet. >> i don't think that there is anything in the structure or the text of this provision that demands that there be a criminal conviction any more than for

example the language in the constitution that describes an impeachment proceeding necessitates a conviction for high crimes and misdemeanors before the house and senate are eligible to impeach a president and convict them. what i hear that chief swrus sis justice saying is that this is a political hot potato and i don't want to touch it. you see courts decidingis justice saying is that this is a political hot potato and i don't want to touch it. you see courts decidingis justice saying is that this is a political hot potato and i don't want to touch it. you see courts decidings justice saying is that this is a political hot potato and i don't want to touch it. you see courts deciding justice saying is that this is a political hot potato and i don't want to touch it. you see courts decidingjustice saying is that this is a political hot potato and i don't want to touch it. you see courts deciding is this ready for a court discussion just for those reasons. nobody wants to decide in their state. because there could be a patchwork of different decisions all around the country that almost looks like from a map perspective a post-dobbs abortion access map. you can imagine looking where different secretaries of state or different courts are making

different decisions about whether they can appear on the ballot. that a a political nightmare and also a nightmare from various court officers who don't want to be responsible for that inconsistency across the country. >> which definitely supports the reasoning for bringing it to the federal courts. >> and you will remember after the second trump impeachment, there were those in the house under speaker pelosi's leadership who wanted congress to consider whether or not trump should be eligible under section three. and there were people at the time who said that is really premature, he is not even a candidate for office yet, why we would do that, the senate didn't convict him. but you can see the benefits of congress having passed some sort of enacting legislation because it would have provided that uniformity that now we lack. >> steve, you've been speaking to the voters in colorado. how do they view this decision? >> reporter: broadly it is

complicated. i think there is a lot of confliction. it is the legality of the argument, too much to really consider on whether or not a presidential candidate should be considered. how many people have time to dig into that. but does my state really factor into the race overall. to democratic voters i spoke to, doesit galvanize support around donald trump. and we all know the inevitability of a legal challenge and appeal. all of this is sort of hanging in the air. and that is what i heard. listen to what they told me. >> so even if his name is removed, even if he doesn't win colorado, does that really make that big of a difference given the fact that colorado hasn't gone in the direction of the right for a couple different cycles now? >> good point. what do you think? >> i don't know.

>> my partner said that the supreme court will just overturn it, so i thought that is probably true. still historic that colorado was able to do this. of course still holding out hope that he is not even on the ballot at all. we'll see. >> reporter: and that is what we heard, we'll see. this is historic but we believe it was an insurrection, but. so a lot of factors still hanging in. i think a lot of people are still waiting on what happens before that stay, what the supreme court decides what the inevitability of the trump white house obviously sending this to the supreme court. >> what are the chances that this all turns up to being a gift politically for donald trump? >> it is not a political gift if he gets the boot by the supreme court, but in this primary, it absolutely is. we've only seen his poll numbers go up since back in march. every time the conversation turns away from conflicts overseas, it turns away from

conversations about health care and taxation within the republican party, and instead it is on the likes of nikki haley and ron desantis and vivek ramaswamy to respond to the questions from the voter, yes, these are voter conversations as to what extent will they defend donald trump. vivek ramaswamy even just said in the last few hours that he is urging the other republican candidates to take their names off the ballot in colorado. ron desantis this afternoon responded in a news max interview that he would not do that here. so suddenly it becomes a question to these candidates, and for donald trump, he is continuing to fundraise. in the last two hours putting out an email that said crooked joe and the democrats know they can't beat us at the ballot box so their new plan is to nullify every ballot to keep biden in the white house. this just makes it harder on his gop rivals. >> so lisa, we've heard from the supreme court, a new filing from donald trump, this afternoon all

rerding jack smith's election interference case. trump now urging the justices chill out, back off, right? he wants them to wait to hear his presidential immunity appeal until after the dc circuit hears his case. his lawyers write that the special counsel urges this court to by pass those ordinary procedures including the long standing preference for prior consideration by at least one court of appeals and rush to decide the issues with reckless abandon. i mean, a delay, delay, delay tactic. this is his m.o. but break it down for us. >> look, this is a person who wanted this trial to happen in 2026, so let's not delude ourselves what this is about. but as they are asking for this delay and calling it a rush to judgment, referring to what jack smith wants as reckless abandon, let's remember that very serious issues of public consequence have been decided in very short time frames, including united states versus nixon, that is the

watergate tapes decision where the time between the district court decision and when the supreme court ruled on a similar procedure, by passing the court of appeals, was about eight weeks from start to finish. and then of course the example of bush v gore where the time between the florida supreme court ruling and the supreme court's eventual dozens of pages long decision was four days. so it is not like this supreme court can't act when it wants to and when the national interests demand it. and there is a "new york times" poll out this morning that indicates up to 25% of republican voters would be impacted by whether trump has a conviction. that suggests to me that this is not just about registered democrats who are likely voters. but about our country as a whole and wanting all of the information that they deserve before they cast their ballots on dates like march 5 when colorado is going to the polls.

>> you are right on that as usual. lisa, vaughn, steve, thank you all so much. coming up next, i'll speak with the president of crew, the group behind the colorado lawsuit, what he is watching and this ruling and likely will it be heading to the u.s. supreme court. plus what president biden is saying about the colorado ruling. and the senate is officially on holiday break without having approved any new ukraine aid since the end of last year. has ukraine lost washington for good? we're back in 60 seconds. good we're back in 60 pseconds. freshness plus odor production with downy unstopables. try for under $5. new emergen-c crystals pop and fizz when you throw them back. and who doesn't love a good throwback? [sfx: video game] emergen-c crystals.

i think it is self-evident. you saw it all. we'll let the court make the decision. but certainly he supported an insurrection. no question about it. none. zero. >> president biden there in milwaukee this afternoon weighing in on coal dole supreme court decision to strike donald trump from the 2024 primary ballot. joining us now, noah bookbinder,

president of citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. his organization represented the voters seeking to disqualify donald trump in colorado. so this was not a unanimous ruling. it came down 4-3. these were also all democrat appointed judges. so does that concern you as it heads to the republican majority supreme court? >> i mean, look, this is a difficult thing for any court to do. this is first time we've ever had a former president and leading presidential candidate who has been involved in conduct that we believe strongly and the court affirms is an insurrection against the united states. this does not happen very often. so to get to this conclusion is a huge lift and incredibly

significant that majority of the colorado state supreme court got there. so i think that we're not overly bothered by the fact that it was close. it was always going to be close. i think that we'll see what happens, we'll see if donald trump really does appeal as his team has said that they will and when and if the u.s. supreme court takes it up, but if they do, i think there is every reason to believe that there is going to be a fair hearing in the united states supreme court. this is a court that has really been tough on abuses of power by donald trump. it has upheld oversight of donald trump and looks in a way that is in the way of a constitution. and we think that that works well in the argument that we're making. and it is just a question of applying it. >> and there are a few avenues that need to be decided here. of the three in the minority,

each had their own reason for why donald trump shouldn't be disqualified. this is the first and only successful attempt to remove donald trump from the presidential ballot, the prirm primary ballot. what is different about colorado? >> i think what is different is a couple things. first of all, colorado has a procedure in state law that allows voters to challenge a candidate who is disqualified. and this allowed this case to get into court and for these plaintiffs, for republican and unaffiliated voters to make the case. that has not happened in no other place has there been a substantive trial, an evidentiary hearing looking at the evidence that donald trump engaged in an insurrection. that happened in this case where we have these brave republican

and unaffiliated voters. and the trial court heard from a large number of witnesses, law enforcement officers, members of congress, experts, other government officials, planners of the january 6 rally and reviewed thousands of pages of evidence and determined that based on that really exhaustive process and all of that evidence, it was clear that this was an insurrection and donald trump engaged in the insurrection. >> and yet, let me challenge that, because section 3 of the 14th amendment does not expressly require a criminal conviction. do you see that as problematic? >> i don't see that as problematic. there have been, that we know of, eight cases in which courts have found people disqualified under section 3 of the 14th amendment, most were from the 1860s, one was in a case brought last year in new mexico. not a single one of them

involved a criminal conviction our even criminal charges for insurrection. that simply has never been a part of the equation. this is not about taking somebody's liberty away, no the about putting somebody in prison, it is a qualification for office. and so what you need is a civil inquiry, a fair process, that is what we had here with all of those witnesses, all of that evidence. really effective advocacy on you will a you will sides. so a court gets to consider that evidence and make a determination as to whether somebody is qualified under the constitution. and a criminal proceeding is a totally separate thing. >> okay. thank you so much to making time for us. coming up what republican colleagues on capitol hill are saying. plus i'll speak with a man whose family is still trapped in gaza. .

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>> reporter: a lot going on here and this is after months of lengthy negotiations between the u.s. government and venezuela. of course the two countries having very complicated relationship. and this deal comes after mediation by the qatari government as well. the u.s. government including of course president biden thanking the qataris for helping get the deal to fruition. you mentioned top lines. and ten americans, including six who were designated as wrongfully detained, are heading home to the u.s. venezuela also agreeing to release 20 political prisoners as well as send back a fugitive. and that fugitive is leonard francis, he is better known as fat leonard. behind one of the worst bribery scandals in u.s. navy history. leonard fled to venezuela just week before sentencing. and in return, the u.s. is releasing a colombia

businessman, an ally of president maduro and accused of bribery and money laundering to the tune of $350 million. and as you see there, he was granted clemency by president biden. but already this is drawing loud opposition from critics of the biden administration, of course opponents to venezuela's government including republican florida senator marco rubio who has already released a statement calling maduro a dictator and calling out the biden administration for what he sees as a shameless deal that will only intensify tyrants to continue to hold americans hostage. but again, the biden administration trying to make the argument that, yes, it was a difficult decision to release this maduro ally, but that is a priority of the administration to get americans home. and again, 10 americans including six of those who were wrongfully detained are heading home to the u.s.

>> they. are. and we have yet to have families notified, so we are refraining from releasing some of the names. but four wrongfully detained as you said, again four of six that we understand were being wrongfully detained. and i understand you have something more from the president? >> reporter: yeah, just within the past few moments president biden i'm told was speaking in wisconsin. he spoke on the tarmac about this deal. take a listen. >> an aircraft on the way home to the united states. we secured the release of every american being held in venezuela on their way home. and we have no higher priority

than the release of the detained and there, or hostage -- americans being held hostage. >> reporter: you hear the president making that argument, no higher priority than the release of americans being held hostage. that is again what the administration has been saying, not just in this case of venezuela but also as it seeks to get americans home, those being held hostage by hamas. but again, the u.s. government thinking that qataris, thanking them once again for helping facilitate the discussions between the u.s. and the maduro government. >> absolutely. curious qataris are involved in a lot with hostage release around the world. thank you, gabe. it has been 735 days since the start of the israel war and new round of hostage and ceasefire negotiations appears to be picking up speed. today egyptian officials met to discuss the militant's group's priorities for a ceasefire. something short term that lays

the ground work for something longer. and like a coalition to help govern all palestinians when the fighting is over. another senior official told that to the "wall street journal." but according to the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken, it doesn't matter what hamas wants. any agreement for a ceasefire and any plan for gaza's future will hinge on what hamas does with the hostages. >> israel has been very clear. including as recently as today. that it would welcome returning to a pause in the further release of hostages. the problem was and has been and remains hamas. the commitments that they made during the first pause for hostage releases. and the question is whether they are in fact willing to resume this effort. >> joining us now from tel aviv, jay gray. the question is, what do we know about where things stand with the negotiations and how families are reacting? >> reporter: yeah, and let's

start with the negotiations. clearly they have intensified andngoing. we're told around the clock. qataris again at the middle of all of this trying to act as an intermediary. but we also recognize that u.s. diplomats are involved in the talks as well. as you just heard, any rumor that things may be imminent is just that, a rumor. so they are continuing those talks and hopeful that they can reach some type of resolution. we did talk to families of some of the hostages today who are clearly desperate and frustrated and want something to happen as quickly as possible. listen and you can hear the desperation in their voices. >> we are living now like a russian roulette, we wake up every morning with no knowledge. just give us support. we need it so much. and i'm asking you, begging you, please help me to bring my dad home alive now.

>> reporter: just very difficult, very emotional situation. and as you talked about going into all of this, 75 days that their family members have been held in gaza. >> point well taken. thank you so much, we'll pick up on that point. and joining us is a neurosurgeon at the university of michigan hospital. his parents and sisters are trapped in gaza. as i welcome you, first question, when did you last speak to them, what did they tell you about what they have been through and do you know where they are now? >> thank you so much, alex. so it is really -- communication is horrible out of the gaza strip. things are on and off. we've gone for long as a week without hearing from them and you wonder every day are they alive. we last heard from them sunday late at night and one message out saying we're alive and that, you know, there is bombing on the street they are on and they

just don't know what is next, if they will survive. so it has been a very harrowing -- >> i can't even imagine how you continue do as you do as a neurosurgeon. and you have two sisters in medical school, a another one who is already a practicing physician. i'm curious, when you've reached out to lawmaker, or anybody governmentally to help, what has happened, what kind of response have you gotten? >> so i've tried to call every possible lever i can get my hands on. i've talked to the state department, i filed immigration paperwork, reached out to all my congressional representatives. and it has been -- i finally managed to get in touch with them after a few tries and despite them trying to help, you know, all there is bureaucratic barriers basically, basically them saying that we have to check with another department or, you know, there is this paperwork pending.

really not a sense of urgency or a mechanism to help them. and in the 75 days, you know, not one bit safer today than they were at the start of all this. despite all our efforts. >> and the efforts include, i understand you actually filed for visas for them to get them out of gaza whether they get into egypt and then you take it from there, you filed paperwork. i mean, what is this like watching this play out from michigan? you must feel helpless. >> yeah, that is the exact feeling. to echo actually the exact sentiment of the families of the hostages that we just saw, it is please just help get my family out, get them to safety or help stop the bombing so they can be safe. you know, powerless is exactly how we feel. and it is frustrating that there is not a sense of urgency with the brewing humanitarian

catastrophe. not even brewing. but ongoing. there is not the sense of urgency to stop things or to get in enough aid. and it has been frustrating because on the other side, there is sometimes a bit of -- a sense of urgency to provide military support. as i run into bureaucratic barrier, i'm wondering how do we push past them, where is the political will. and i don't get the sense that there is. >> what an extraordinary thing for you. having taken the hippo krat tick oath to try to save people's lives. that is your first priority let alone for your family. doctor, we are thinking of you and wishing you the very best. i hope your gaem family gets ou soon. >> thank you. coming up next, reaction from capitol hill to colorado supreme court disqualifying donald trump from the 2024 primary ballot. what republican lawmakers are saying. plus controversial curriculum, why an education

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rean lawmakers are reacting to the news out of the colorado supreme court, a ruling that could ban donald trump from being on the state's primary ballot. house speaker mike johnson called it a reckless decision and thinly veiled partisan attack.

elise stefanik said it would backfire and further strengthen the trump campaign. and max miller from ohio said the ruling was an affront to democracy. joining us you know, punch bowl news co-founder jake sermon. so any republican on capitol hill who is not coming out against this ruling from colorado or is everybody defending donald trump? >> reporter: everyone is defending trump for the most part. and by the way, we haven't seen the end of this. this is going to go to the supreme court, the supreme court will be the ultimate decider. there are oftentimes decisions that -- every decision splits everybody on capitol hill and the republican leadership. but the republican leadership always takes his back. but hear is what i would also say, this is not only the republican leadership and people who have been, you know, staunch supporters of donald trump. this is people like john cornyn, republican of texas, who has been in the past critical of donald trump. so it kind of spans the spectrum

of republican lawmakers backing donald trump up here. >> okay. again, not much of a surprise. but let's move on to something that is pretty important. as you know the senate is done for the year. despite some big time unfinished business, that being additional aid for ukraine. but as you wrote in punch bowl this morning, this shouldn't come as a surprise to the biden administration who had some warning signs in fact as far back as october 2022 suggesting that it might not pass. now you say that ukraine has lost washington. pretty serious statement. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: well, last time congress passed ukraine aid was end of 2022, december 2022 when democrats controlled all of washington. so we've gone basically in two days an entire year without funding ukraine as it is in an existential war for its territory and for its existence. so we've heard a lot from capitol hill over the last year how the -- and from the white

house how the united states stands with ukraine, will stand with ukraine until the end of its battle against russia, but it is not acting like that. and you are right, we laid out this morning a series of flash points where it should have become clear that congressional support was waning in supporting ukraine including back to october 2022 when then house minority leader future speaker and now almost former member of congress kevin mccarthy told me during the campaign season that he wasn't going to have a blank check for ukraine and they left it out of every government funding bill republicans did not fight to the mat for ukraine. they tried to tie it and they have successfully tied it to border security. so across the board we've seen a backing off from the support of ukraine from republicans on capitol hill and now they will -- republicans and democrats are talking all of this recess and we'll have to see if it happens in january. >> we'll do so and i suggest

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prageru says it promotes patriotic and american values. but critics say it is whitewashing our history. antonio hilton has a look inside the controversial platform. >> reporter: your kids may have seen these videos online. >> embrace the idea of being a wife or mother. >> reporter: educational videos on everything from culture to history to climate. >> without fossil fuels, much of the world's population would starve to death in a year. >> reporter: this is prager u. not an actual accredited university, but, rather, a pro american education nonprofit with growing school partnerships in new hampshire, florida, and oklahoma. >> it is called edu-tainment. >> reporter: and they say they this is the answer to an education too focused on gender.

>> they feel like they are serving on the frontlines of saving the war of ideas in america. >> reporter: and since the pandemic, prager u says it has reached nearly 10 billion views. the founder has been a controversial radio show host for years. >> if you are spending a good part of the day teaching kids about preferred pronouns and other what we call woke issues, then you are really not teaching them. >> what i hear from teachers of every background is that they are slammed from block to block. they are underpaid. they are underappreciated. and that they don't even have time to talk about pronouns, gender theory, critical race theory. you can point to -- >> i don't think they are telling you the truth. i actually think they are lying to you. >> reporter: in oklahoma, some teaches like gabe are using prager u in the classroom.

>> here is what you need to know. >> reporter: a short history of slavery. >> after century, white men led the world in puttingen a end to the abhorrent practice about. >> she's giving credit to white people for ending it before the acknowledgement of the pain that some of your students might actually know about and feel in their families. right? >> right. and there is a lot of content that we cover that does cover that aspect. but what we almost never talk about is the reality of slavery happening almost since the beginning of time to the end of time. >> reporter: a few minutes down the road, families like this one who are a mix of white and mexican-american say the broader culture war playing out in schools is hurtingright? we trust or educators. like we said, this is our community. >> reporter: we showed them some of prager u's videos designed to kids. white soldiers who died during the civil war.

>> something i noticed was no other culture died. no other culture tried to stop slavery, which i know that isn't true. >> that's extremely concerning to me, because it's so much inaccuracy within. >> reporter: what would a good american education system look like to you? >> like it did in the 1930s, minus anything that was offensive. >> reporter: all the bad things going on in the world? >> yes, that's correct. >> look good. >> reporr: vision he's now trying to bring to school nationwi. for anyone looking for more on prager u, be sure to catch "meet the press reports." it's also streaming on peacock.

up next, how scammers are targeting giftcarts before you even buy them. what you need to look out for.

there are just five days until christmas, which means actually only four shopping days. if you have not already gotten your gifts, you may be looking for the quick-and-easy option, a gift card from your local store. buyer beware. there are new ways scammers are

trying to steal those funds. vicky nguyen has the later. >> i got scammed. >> the -- >> reporter: consumers posting warnings about compromised gift cards. a crime that cost $220 million. >> the bar dodd code is not there anymore. >> reporter: police warning about a surge in so-called gift -- >> reporter: say scammers steal the card, they copy the card number, security code and reseal it. when you load money onto that card, the scammer pounces and drains it. >> it happens to "weekend today" correspondent lara garrett. >> this is a grinch-y moment. she purchased $2,000 of vanilla

visa cards only to find three of her presents had scuff marks where the security code should have been, and the funds drained. >> from the naked eye they do not appear to be tampered off at all? >> right? not at all. if says if attempter evident, don't purchase. >> everything looked good from the outside. >> reporter: the bar code and security pin untouched. when we checked the card balance, zero. the money she loaded on to the card disappeared 14 days later. one sir vase found almost one in fourth recipients said -- i went back to the same cvs. >> the gift cards are in the middle of the store. not under the watch of eye, so it's sort of easy to see how they could be tampered with. >> from the outside, they look

secured and steal. >> we have our giftcard. eight of the nine cards appeared normal. this one has a security code. >> reporter: but then. >> it has it gouged out. take a look. we could not see that when it was in the packages. >> reporter: in statements to nbc news, the retail gift card association say in part, criminals who come up with more innovative way to card drain, and they urge the public to report any fraud to police. cvs says they're investigating our findings and say they warn customers about fraud risk, and urge employees to check them every day. >> i had seen your segment. i was on notice. i knew it was going to be an sure shh issue. >> reporter: some police say don't buy a physical gift card, because it's nearly impossible to know which ones have been compromised. if you do, choose one closer to

the register or, better yet, behind the counter. recipients should check their cards, and buy with a credit card to increase your chances of getting a refund. isn't that just extraordinary? can you believe that? these were the vanilla gift cards we looked at, but this bodes very good advice for everyone. check all of your gift carts. it could be starbucks, anything out there. take care and be careful. thank you, vicky for that story. that does it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. we'll see you back here tomorrow. we we -- begin with the thunderbolt from the colorado