when it comes to wrapping prests if there is something tsa has a quest on, they are going to unwrap it and you don't want to be the grinch here, but the other thing i learned myself there's an app, the tsa app, shows you the most busy wait times and where precheck is open and when. those are some things that i find to be particularly helpful. when it comes to those delays, the weather on the west coast, santa is not impacted by that. >> nice. aw for all of that. that does it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hey, everyone. it is 4:00 in new york. i'm in for nicolle wallace. rise in violence in this country is a sobering reality, but when s written it will be front and center. according to a reuters

investigation, political violence in america has not been this bad since the 1970s. people instead of property, most recently deadly outbursts have come from the right. viewers of this show are familiar with what some of those deadly threats and outbursts have looked like. the, quote, unprecedented number of threats against fbi agents, who participated in the search of mar-a-lago classified documents, threats against alvin bragg, fani willis, and judge tanya chuts kin. sensing a theme you are not wrong. common denominator here is, of course, the disgraced, twice impeached four times indicted ex-president, who has become a next u.s. between the workings of law enforcement and our system and political violence and now has happened again. less than hours since the

colorado supreme court ruled that donald trump is disqualified from being on the republican primary ballot in that state. now, in the wake of that landmark ruling, the judges who sit on the colorado supreme court are being targeted. by the right. by followers of donald j. trump. according to a rort obtained by nbc news, quote, social media outlets floed with threats against theusces who ruled in the case. the nonpartisan organization that conductedhe research foun that, quote, some social media users posted the addresse and office building addresses. others, quote, noted a variety of methods that could be used to kill those perceived as trump's enemies. hollow point bullets, rifles, ropes, bombs. the other finding this, quote, significant violent rhetoric against the justices and democrats often in direct response about trump's posts on the ruling on truth social. we have seen this movie before. the call and response between

the disgraced ex-president and the followers. this is dangerous and potentially deadly. whether we like it or not it is a hallmark of our political discourse in 2023. that is where we start this hour with former assistant director for counter intelligence at the fbi frank fa glue zi and at the table former official with the justice department and msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann, democratic strategist and director of the public policy program at hunter college, [ inaudible ]. let's start with you. the post that this nonpartisan group they found were repulsive. i want to be sensitive to that and think it's important that we bear witness just how depraved they are. here's you one of them. quote, what do you call seven justices from the colorado supreme court at the bottom of the ocean? a good start. frank, you are a veteran of the fbi. just how dangerous is this? >> yeah. well, you were kind of being restrained because there's even far more disturbing quotes

coming on these posts. it didn't take long, 24 hours after the colorado supreme court decision, and yes, it's true. they're driven directly by trump's response to the court decision, and this interesting linkage that trump made to anything that rules against him, anything he doesn't like, it's not about against him, it's something horrible for america. his immediate responses that he posted on his platform truth social were sad day for america. a shame for the country. no, it's not. no. it's not a shame for the country. it's not a sad day for america. it's a court in one of our states making a really tough ruling in historic, unprecedented ruling, but nonetheless, following the facts and going where the facts and the law take them. in this case where the constitution of our country takes us. it's not a sad day or a shame when a court tries to apply the facts to the constitution and comes up with a decision.

the other thing i think is interesting is, these quotes already out there are actionable what we call in law enforcement, actionable threats. they're not aspirational. they describe how to kill the justices in great detail. they describe what they're going to do with the justices and in many of them, the most actionable examples, the end result is a dead justice. so this isn't going to stop here because we've got about 16 states with some form of challenge going on right now to whether or not trump should be on the ballot. if you think it's isolated to group of justices in colorado it's not. the plaintiffs or petitioners in colorado are in danger. put that across the 16 or so states that have similar challenges going on right now and you've got not just a threat to people and property, you've got to a threat to our system, our judiciary and rule of law. >> to frank's point about how widespread it is, doj announced

a man in new hampshire indicted today for having threatened to kill three different presidential candidates. republicans know this, right. they see the connection between the rhetoric. they say that they themselves are scared. what is the remedy? >> well, the remedy is taking donald trump out of the equation, but, a, he would not take himself out of the equation, and b, when you have other republican candidates for president, basically supporting him in this moment in time, saying that the court went too far, they're essentially giving him all the fuel he needs to continue doing what he's doing, instead of calling it out in the way they could essentially extricate him from the rest of the republican party. that has not happened. trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point, i don't think that could at all happen. you know, it's an important point that frank makes in talking about how quickly this happened, right after the

degrees, after the dobbs decision you didn't hear democrats or joe biden exhorting individuals to go after the justices after the dobbs decision. what did democrats do? they went out and voted and worked within the system to find ways to challenge change -- change it. that is not what donald trump and his supporters are going to do. >> i think, andrew, about the fact that donald trump's team is going to appeal to the supreme court some time after the christmas holiday. this becomes the next flashpoint, right? the eyes move from the colorado supreme court to the united states supreme court. >> absolutely. and it should. there's nothing wrong with that and people being angry or disappointed with the colorado supreme court decision and saying it's wrong and other people saying it's right. that's -- to basil's point, that's what can happen in america, but the -- your intro is really about the state of america today, which is, there

will always be people who are nutty or crazy or the lone wolfs who react and seek violence. there will always be some people like donald trump who are not condoning or they're approving of this or look what he did during january 6th where they're silent in the face of violence that could stop. to me, this is really about the sort of complacency on the right and left. you don't have people on the right saying stop. you need to have the mitch mcconnell of the world, the people who believe in law and order, saying something about this and the democrats should be saying, how are you a rule of law party and how are we a rule of law society, when this is what we've come to. i think that the rest of the world could look at us as a laughing stock to have this violent rhetoric in the face of a legal decision.

it is the next step totally to appeal it and you know what, maybe the supreme court will agree with donald trump. so be it. that's the rule of law. but the idea that there isn't this outcry and this is not on the sort of front page of every newspaper, saying this is not tolerable, this is not what america is supposed to be about, and you don't see that sort of rising to that level because i think we've come to what donald trump has done for the last, you know, four years of his presidency and few years he's been vying to be the next president. >> none of this is theoretical. nicole when she sat down with a judge whose son was murdered by a deranged man, i want to play a little bit. >> i grabbed our two dogs and i walked down street to this grassy area by our house, and as i was walking just something didn't feel right. i noticed a car was sort of out of place and i remember looking,

and he looked and we locked eyes for a second and then he looked away. and i would later find out that would be the man that would come the next day at 5:00, ring our doorbell, and take my only child. >> and he was looking for you? >> he wanted me. we need to protect judges. judges need to be able to do their jobs without fear of retaliation, retribution or death. >> right. >> keep her son's leg dpasy alive in honor of her son she is on a mission to protect other judges scrubbing judges' personal information from the internet, banning the resale by data brokers. i'm struck by the fact that here in the wake of this ruling, the judges on the colorado supreme court have had their personal information, right, their e-mail addresses, their phone numbers, office addresses, put out there. how do you protect them?

frank? >> thank you. so look, we're in an environment where last night on fox news, one of the anchors put up on the screen the photos and names of the four justices in colorado who constituted the majority decision here and the banner over their photos was something like, meet the judges who hate democracy. that's where we are now. so they view this as an existential threat to democracy that the court system works, like it or not, your decision or not, but that's where we are. it's hard to counter this, except to tell people, flip the scenario and some day imagine that the courts are doing their job and you loved the decisions. do you want those justices dead because they ruled in favor of

your side of the house? this is going to go up all the way to the supreme court. the security is going to get tightened the as well. again, this is so much more than just physical security of people. it's about securing our future and be as we know it, the criminal justice system. the judiciary. the rule of law. >> andrew, you had frank there reference fox news, not the only wild thing that has happened on fox news. a poll showing there is public support for the colorado su court ruling, 38% strongly approve the ruling. 16% somewt approve. over at fox they're usi it as a jumping off point to make a series of outrageous accusations. take a listen. >> the most dangerous people in the united states tonight, they're not donald trump supporters. the most dangerous people in the united states tonight are those who are suggesting that somehow a court can just vaporize a

candidacy of the leading presidential contender, and not do long-term damage to the country, and its institution. given what we're seeing in the courts, at the doj, and even in state a.g. offices and given democrats trump is hitler rhetoric, is it not logical to consider, maybe to assume, that some on the left are hoping to spark some type of civil unrest here? which would be followed, of course, by a mass crackdown on civil liberties or the declaration of a nationwide emergency? all as a way to, usher in, i don't know, nationwide mail-in voting? >> that is the myth they're selling to their voters. >> first, the irony that -- the irony that you have the former president of the united states, who started his campaign -- >> by questioning the

eligibility of another president. >> so the whole idea, birtherism based on a lie. >> racist lie. >> goes to the idea he would be disqualified under the constitution from running. so this is not new. this provision is new to lots of people because we've never been in a situation where you've had somebody running for office who engaged in insurrection or rebellion. what's remarkable to me is that the story isn't the -- really the unanimous finding in the colorado case because you had no one dissenting on the issue of did he do it. no one was saying, oh, no, this was insufficient proof. there were lots of procedural issues and i don't mean to minimize them that the dissent raised, but there was a district court finding be and a majority. with no dissents on the fact that the leading contender for

the republican nomination had done what we had a civil war about, and the reason for this amendment was because after the civil war, people said, if you have engaged in this kind of conduct you cannot be any longer in the president, the vice president, or any federal position. so this is historically really important in terms of what many people died for in this country. and it's just not a terribly smart approach to pander to that kind of speculation and foment, that kind of thinking, instead of talking about the real issues in the case. there really are significant issues that the supreme court will have to address. it is -- one of them is not speculation about isn't the biden administration doing this to sort of engage in civil unrest which was very much what people said donald trump was doing.

>> right. what do you call it hip crockcracy? >> as we hear republicans talking about this decision, the courts are trying to choose our president. man, i remember that -- i remember 2000, when a lot of folks felt that way about that supreme court, and republicans said that democrats were crying crocodile tears because of the outcome. but we were crying crocodile tears or any tears because, a, we felt yeah, it should not have gotten to this point but it was in support of al gore who tried to save the plan net, as opposed to them supporting donald trump who has literally engaged in an insurrection, according to that court. some time ago when he talked about this s-hole countries, that term has often been used for countries where you have people color who from the point of view of colonialism they feel

those countries and people can't govern themselves. look at us now in this country. look at how easy it is and how quickly we get to a place where we start becoming the thing that we hate and mocked for extended periods of time. it's all because here is an individual to your point, here is an individual in donald trump, who has engaged in this language, who is clearly engaged in trying to subvert a government and overthrow a government. yet, there are people who could stop him and don't because they benefit from that. that's how quickly an how deeply we can get into everything that we don't like. we're already there. >> we've been talking about colorado. i want to also remind people, this is not just about colorado. right before we came on the air, word the maine secretary of state has delayed a decision to determine whether donald trump should appear on next year's primary ballot. your reaction? >> look, what the supreme court

decides, and it clooirl clearly is going to have to take this case, is really important. it can set the stage for is this something that states are allowed to do and what's the standard and who makes the decision, or is it off the table? that is -- i can't stress enough why this case really has go to the supreme court and i also think people really need to be sort of clear eyed about this, which is that there are real legal issues on both sides. this is not where you say the law is clear one way or the other. it has not been decided. it's an important one. as i say there's a reason that this is in the constitution, people -- i mean this is the largest loss of life in america at the time was over the civil war and why we have this amendment. so people should take it seriously. it's important for the supreme court to hear it and make a decision and people should be behind that. >> a bunch of states we have our eyes on. it's not just maine. frank, as always, thank you for

spending time with us. andrew and bassle are sticking with us. hours after rudy giuliani was ordered to pay the millions in damages he owes to two former election workers the former mayor of new york city and donald trump's attorney filed for bankruptcy. texas governor greg abbott escalating his policies, flying migrants out of the state as fears grow liss new border law would trigger a rise in racial profiling. >> jack smith imploring the u.s. supreme court to act on donald trump's claim of immunity immediately. that legal showdown and much more when "deadline: white house" continues after this. inee house" continues after this. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. ♪

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it is a bad week to be rudy giuliani. just this afternoon he filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy in federal court in new rk, estimating debts between 100 and $500 million and assets less than $10 million. this comes a day after a ruling by federal judge beryl howell that georgia poll workers ruby freeman and shaye moss can seek the $148 million defamation award he owes them. in her ruling judge howell cite concerns giuliani might conceal and dissipate his assets if he were allowed to wait. howell claimed that mr. giuliani has, quote, proven himself to be an unwilling an uncooperative litigant. after previously ignoring requests for payment giuliani could appeal the million in damages awarded by the jury but judge howell notes the amount the jury decided was conservative given the damage he caused the lives of ruby freeman

and shaye moss. joining us legal analyst, lisa ruben, andrew and basil, they are both back with us as well. this doesn't get rudy giuliani off the hook. >> it doesn't get rudy giuliani off the hook, but it does press pause. so you were saying that yesterday judge howell allowed ruby freeman and shaye moss to enforce the judgment. the impact of this bankruptcy filing is to repause enforcement efforts. right now, rudy giuliani doesn't have to continue litigating those cases against him. there are a series of other defamation cases by dominion and smartmatic and hunter biden. there is a sexual assault and harassment case brought by his former employee. all of those are on hold. as well, any efforts to enforce pre-filing judgments against him, that means that $148 million verdict by ruby freeman and shaye moss is on hold, but, when you commit an intentional tort like defamation or intentional infliction of emotional distress you don't get

to discharge that in bankruptcy, meaning a bankruptcy judge can't wipe that slate clean. at some point rudy giuliani will face the music with respect to ruby freeman and shaye moss. >> how soon could they see something? >> it's going to be a while. rudy is going to get the benefit of getting to reorganize his estate essentially and they will take their place in line along with other creditors. those creditors not only include other litigants but people he owes money to such as his lawyers or former accountants. as humiliating as it is and forestalls that recovery, he has to be transparent with the court. he has to essentially open his kimono and say these are my assets, my liabilities, with rudy maybe that's not the right

analogy. >> i can't get that out of my head. >> sorry. >> so there's some pluses to the bankruptcy, if you are a creditor like ruby freeman and shaye moss. the assets are frozen. he cannot, if he tries to move them around, if he tries to pull them out of his estate, if he tries to hide them, that is a crime. there will be a court that is overseeing all of this. if he does he did in the civil litigation with beryl howell, to lisa's point and says i'm not telling you where stuff is, that is contempt. he can go to jail for that. the one thing that does not get stayed, he is facing a criminal case in georgia. that case is going forward, regardless of whether he is sort of in civil bankruptcy. so he still has an enormous amount of liability for him. >> i think about that long list of other cases that you laid out

and the fact that when they presented this number in this defamation suit they said the idea here is to deter future behavior. we saw five minutes after that was delivered he walked outside and made it clear he was not deterred and that would seem relevant not just to this case but many cases he's facing. >> yes. many cases he's facing. remember also that the folks who represent ruby and shaye have filed a second lawsuit to try to enjoy rudy from continuing to put their names in his mouth as their lawyer has said. that theoretically is now on pause too. so the deterrence effect not only of the award but of future litigation to try to get an injunction against him, at least for the moment, that is stayed. the criminal law enforcement is not, and at the end of the day, no judge is going to let him wipe an award for defamation damages clean from his bankrupt estate. >> i also think with respect to the injunctive, second lawsuit,

the new one, which is seeking just injunctive relief, not money, it's to say, stop defaming my clients. to me, it's hard to see beryl howell will not figure out how to have that case go forward because it's not pulling money out of the estate. it's not dealing with sort of the main focus of bankruptcy, which is to deal with sort of how do you allocate money amongst creditors. that's what bankruptcy is for. this is an ongoing harm and so a bankruptcy judge is going to have the bankruptcy matter, the former chief judge of the d.c. district court beryl howell clearly is going to have an interest in making sure that she is ruling on that continuing harm. >> his appeal, where does that factor in? >> he doesn't have an appeal right now. one of the things about judge howell's ruling when she said she would lift the stay of the judgment and allow them to immediately register their

judgments in the two places he owns property, she also said, make no mistake, to the extent that he's going to appeal, a, i don't think that's likely to be successful, but b, like anybody else he has to post a full bond. normally as andrew and i know from civil litigation that kind of bond is in the full amount of the award and as the appeal continues, you collect interest. whether rudy giuliani who files a chapter 11 petition for bankruptcy is ever going to have access to $148 million to satisfy the bond requirement it's not clear to me he can file for bankruptcy and try to appeal this judgment. >> to lisa's point about the kimono -- >> my mind's eye is not right. >> cleanse your brain. the "new york" magazine lay out how rudy's debts up. the addition to the defamation sum giuliani is on the hook for several outstanding debts and currently being sued by one of his former lawyers for lack of

payment. in october it was reported that the irs had placed a lien on his pa bch condo. the probl't stop there. giuliani is still a co-defendant in georgia's election interference case, a matter that will require him to retain a lawyer for months through 2024. it also shows there is a cost to carrying water on the big lie. >> there is a cost to it. one wonders whether he wanted donald trump to be president so he could make money and get rid of some of these debts. we know that donald trump did get fairly wealthy during his presidency. would rudy giuliani in a second presidency? as you talk about messages earlier that's one of the messages i think democrats need to talk more about, which is the ways in which a donald trump presidency enabled people like rudy giuliani and others to carry out this kind of behavior without punishment. and that -- so i think that's one thing.

second, and i always think about this, ruby freeman said she can no longer use her name, she misses her name. that touched me significantly because you have to remember the human toll of this. and if there's any way that rudy giuliani could get any of this money or if any of this money could get to her and miss moss, let that happen, number one. number two, make sure that there are systems in place anybody that has to go through what they're going through right now, it's not over, this is ongoing, they're in my mind they're in some kind of witness protection because they can't use their name, they can't be who they were -- >> they were applying for jobs at fast food restaurants and told by the interviewers they were frauds. they have suffered tremendously. >> whatever needs to happen legally to make sure that they get some kind of compensation needs to happen. whatever hurdles that rudy giuliani is trying to go over, i would say for all of the people

who he imprisoned during his mayor in new york city, folks he defamed when mayor, this is part of his justice served and go after him for every penny. >> thank you for joining us this hour. you do not go far because we're having you back on later. lisa and basil are sticking with us. migrants at the southern border flown to chicago so the governor of texas can score cheap political points. next. next right now across the u.s., people are trying to ban books from public schools and public libraries. yes, libraries. we all have a first amendment right to read and learn different viewpoints. that's why every book belongs on the shelf. yet book banning in the u.s. is worse than i've ever seen. it's people in power who want to control everything. well, i say no to censorship. and i say yes to freedom of speech and expression.

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many of the individuals who are coming from the border, there's no coordination at the border either. many of the individuals are not being treated, not being processed, they're not, you know, getting medical attention. by the time they arrive in the city of chicago, they're coming in quite severe conditions. cold, tired, wet, hungry. >> that was the mayor of chicago on the crisis created after texas governor greg abbott sent over 120 migrants from el paso texas to chicago via chartered plane. the flight arrived on tuesday night in near freezing temperatures. part of a broader attack by the governor on migrants, civil rights groups have sued the governor after he signed one of the harshest immigration bills in the country allowing police to arrest migrants and preventing migrants from requesting asylum on u.s. soil. greg abbott's office said it won't stop transporting migrants to chicago. during our conversation former

department of housing and urban development and former mayor of san antonio julio castro is here. governor abbott sent over 80,000 immigrant grants to democratic states in the past year and a half. this is not about immigration. this is about his own politics. >> well it is. the mexican president lopez obrador was asked about this yesterday, and he said basically that greg abbott is doing an audition for for vice president for donald trump. i've often said this guy has presidential or maybe vice presidential ambitions. this is political showmanship. it is using migrants to try to score points with a base of republicans that gets their kicks out of stepping on the powerless and this is another example of that. the mayor of chicago describing how these migrants are being treated, not given sufficient food, water, any resources,

texas is not coordinating with nonprofit charities that often take in migrants, the way that federal government would be coordinating that if they're moving the mooiktss around. it's about cruelty and politics. it is not about trying to do anything about the situation that's productive. >> as you said it is bad governance. i remember being at penn station in new york city having an interview with immigrant advocate groups who said we want to know when the busses are coming. he won't tell us how many are on the busses or give us basic manifests. that level of communication to plan accordingly on our end is not happening. i want to ask you, you had nbc news reporting about the situation on the grod for the migrants some have slept in police stations andirports until there was a space in shelters. this week 5-year-old child staying in a temporary shelter in chicago, raising questions about conditions at the shelters. talk about what a -- what the

federal government can do to mitigate the suffering here? >> the role the federal government should be to support these communities like chicago. you see these mayors asking for assistance. that goes straight to congress. president biden has asked for that, those kinds of resources for these communities, whether it's chicago, new york, los angeles, these other cities, that texas is sending migrants to and also these texas border cities and other border cities where we're seeing an influx of migrants. the problem is, the republicans won't do this, and they keep holding that kind of resource hostage to get draconian changes to immigration and asylum policy. it is cruel. it doesn't make sense and it's putting tremendous stress on these local communities and even creating tragedies like that one. >> there's an additional component, it would seem governor abbott is trying to force a legal question. >> this is not just trying to score political points but provoke a constitutional showdown. in 2012 the supreme court with

five justices and the majority, three in the minority, said that arizona could not enforce a law that is not all that dissimilar from the one that texas passed. why? because the federal government is solely responsible for immigration enforcement and that could not be a province of any state. what's changed since 2012? the court has changed radically and what greg abbott is trying to do what i said privately like pulling a dobbs. he knows that this statute under current supreme court precedence is unconstitutional. what he is betting on, though, is that a changed court with three trump nominees on it, will do something different and essentially say that arizona versus the united states that case we were talking about is no longer the law of the land. >> this is not the way we make policy. >> interestingly enough it's the way conservatives make policy that litigate and legislate strategy to your point. they've done this since brown

versus the board of ed and beyond that. they will put out these cases and find courts where they feel that they'll have a pathway towards the outcome they want. we saw this with the affirmative action case. these aren't things that just happen. there's a plan. there's a strategy behind it and that's what we're seeing in part. also very quickly, i go to the secretary's point about the politics of cruelty. historically, when we want to embrace immigrants, this country has done so. early 1900s, getting a lot of west indians and others involve in the democratic party which laid the foundation for african americans being engaged in party politics. in the '80s reagan did this in part with the evangelical community to welcome immigrants into america, that's how you got sanctuary cities. what we're experiencing now is the politics of cruelty because

it is important for these republicans, particularly abbott, who as the secretary said probably has ambition, important for these republicans to make an example out of these migrants in a way that is unbecoming of who we are as a country. it is the politics of cruelty. this is not about the law. >> the politics of cruelty that manifests not just at the border but also at the interior, the associated press reporting about the immigration bill that abbott side this week, quote, critics including the mexican president worry the lawould lead to racial profiling and separation. affiliates in texas and some neighboring states i a travel advisory this week warning people of a possible threat to their civil and constitutional rights when passing through texas. i mean, this law is extraordinarily dangerous. not just to migrants who are coming to our southern border, but immigrants and i would argue latino american citizens all

across this country specifically in the state of texas. >> yeah. it's ludicrous. texas is a state now 40% latino. there are a lot of brown people in this state and around here not to mention, you know, states around texas, but let's just deal with texas. 40% of the population that is latino and you're going to have law enforcement charged with going out and trying to figure out who looks like they might be here and who is undocumented. it's ridiculous. we saw this in '94 with pete wilson in california and 2010 with jan brewer and sb-1070 and now come to texas and this is the most extreme version of it and i think what's going to happen is we're going to find out in short order law enforcement is going to overstep their boundaries and not only oppress migrants but also the larger latino community. >> and i will say, secretary castro, those examples you raise outed of california and arizona also had political consequences

for republicans, where it fundamentally reshaped the politics of both of those states in the favor of democrats. secretary castro, as always, thank you so much for spending time with us. up next lisa ruben explains how donald trump's many, many legal cases are colliding and potentially very problematic ways for him. that example just ahead. t ahead. you will love migrating... the sun... the sand... [ thunder clap ] we're not gonna make it. are we? uncle dan! we're trying to get to jamaica. stay close and... everything will be all right. [ gulps ] while i am a paid actor, and this is not a real company, there is no way to fake how upwork can help your business. upwork is half the cost of our old recruiter and they have top-tier talent and everything

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you know donald trump loves to brag about how wealthy he is. we've heard him talk about it on the campaign trail, white house, and in that new york civil fraud trial. now it turns out that one is coming back to bite him. in anticipation of e. jean carroll's damages only defamation trial against trump that starts next month her attorney wrote to the court to designate lines for them to use from portions of trump's deposition and testimony from the civil fraud trial where he testified and repeatedly boasted about his wealth. they claim it will help calculate punitive damage trump owes. we are back with lisa and basil. you brought this to our attention. >> this is the sort of letter you send as part of trial housekeeping as you're preparing for a trial. one of the things you do not only exchange witness and exhibit lists but exchange deposition designations. literally like line and page you plan on using during your

examination of witnessesp what caught my attention e. jean carroll's lawyer saying in addition to his deposition we intend to use testimony from the new york civil fraud trial because in boasting about his wealth, that is relevant to an award of punitive damages and in this case, as opposed to the last e. jean carroll trial, she is seeking much greater punitive damages. why? because donald trump literally days after the last verdict, went on cnn as part of a town hall and said all the same things he was already held liable for and that can be considered by a jury in awarding punitive damages. the other thing that a jury can consider in awarding punitive damages you, which are meant to punish the wrong doer, how wealthy is this person and how much can they tolerate a massive award. robbie kaplan is saying to the judge, look, this guy wants everybody to know how much money he has and the jury should know, too, when they're considering how much to award in punitive

damages, not to compensate my client but punish and deter the guy who keeps saying that this never happened. >> impossible question to answer, but was this avoidable? how much is about the fact that he has different legal teams on his many different legal questions? >> i will say, yes, it was avoidable, but at the same time, his legal troubles are mushrooming to such an extent that it may be that, you know, in one case you have to take a position that is antithetical to a position that you take in another for example, in the new york civil fraud trial, there are $250 million at stake in damages alone. plus a variety of other relief that could destroy and dismantle the trump real estate empire. he could have decided it was worth to boast about his wealth because it shows that his financial statements were not sxage rating and also knowing that that would increase the amount of damages in' jean

carroll. but that is less than the civil fraud trial. but i think that the trump team has a variety of different legal teams literally all over the country and they are not communicating well. there are some exceptions, but they don't have a quarterback whose eyes on are all of the cases who are serving like an in-house and coordinating council with the kind of shrewd nest. >> do you think that he will stop talking about his wealth about. >> no. you're suggesting that he can't keep track of his lies and it will catch up to him. >> and i think that she'll get more damages. like the rudy giuliani trial, nobody is being asked whether it

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from civil lawsuits to election interference, prosecutions on federal and state levelslus a classified do money scheme, there is a lot to keep track of when it comes to on top of all of it.preme court thankfully this is one place to make sure you don't miss a thing, our deadline legal newsletter. just sca the qr code to have the latest news and an analysis from the legal experts delivered straight to your inbox. and you can get analysis on everything from the colorado supreme court to special counsel jack smith's next move. more on that for you coming up here next. and we'll look at the unprecedented battle the doj is pressing the supreme court to act on immediately, that is right after the quick break. ick. . kind of needs to be more, squiggly?

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the attack on our nation's capital on january 6, 2021 was unprecedented assault on the see of american democracy. it is described by fueled by lies. lies by the defendant, targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the u.s. government and nations process of collecting, counting and certifies the results of the presidential election. since the attack on our capitol, the department of justice has

remained committed to ensuring account ability for those criminally responsible for what happened had day. this case is brought consistent with that commitment. >> and it is 5:00 in new york. i'm in for nicolle wallace. jack smith very rarely speaks publicly. aside from that announcement of the indictment, what we've heard from smith regarding this case against the former president has come through filings, legal windows into smith's mind. today the latest glimpse into his thinking as the dock is ticking to hear the supreme court respond to his request from last week to have it rule on trump's immunity claim from the d.c. district court does, a request which trump's team opposed in a filing yesterday saying there is no need to rush. smith shot down the argument saying the decision is so kons again shal that it must be decided without delay. the public interests and

resolution of the case favors an immediate decision. charges are of the utmost gravity. and it involves for the first time in our nation's history criminal charges against a former president based on his actions while in office. not just any actions, alleged acts to perpetrate -- perpetuate himselfn power. the nation has a compelling interest in a decision on the claim of immunity from the charges. if they are to be tried, a resolution by conviction or acquittal without undue delay. as we wait to hear from the highest court will decide, another thing to note is who is listed on the front page as counsel of record. as well as smith's counselor. as a man by the name who has argued over 100 cases before the supreme court. politico says he is an authority on the court's doctrines and is this is not the first time

dreeben has happened a special counsel. and all of this giving yet another peek into jack smith's strategy as he prepares to go to trial against a former president. and this that is where we start. we begin with mary mccord. and with me at the table, the other co-host of the prosecuting donald trump andrew weissmann is back with us. and also meredith gray. let's start with you. what do you think of this filing? >> well, you know, one of the things that i think is useful for people to note is that was trying to be very even handed. it said regardless of what happens at the trial, whether it is a conviction or acquittal, regardless of what you rule on absolute immunity or not, it needs to be decided both of those issues need to be decided,

both of those issues are important to the country and to the election. and so it was saying look, even if you are going to rule against us, even if ultimately the jury were to say that the government hasn't proven its case, it is very much like we were talking about half an hour ago that is what the rule of law is and that obviously is important to the country. i would also say there is some irony in the position of donald trump because here he is saying slow everything down, no reason to rush, but, you know, in other cases where he is like i need to be on the ballot, he will be saying no, let's speed it up. so two different positions to the supreme court. >> and motivations very clear. and what do you think is going on at the supreme court, what is their incentive to take up the case before the d.c. district court does? >> well, what is going on right

now is clerksrantically reading everything that they can and writing memos for the justices for whom they work and alerting the justices who of course are well aware of what has been filed of the decisions that need to be made in short order. and i think that this is complicated to know what the supreme court will do. i do think that the supreme court ultimately will take up this issue. but because the d.c. circuit has already, you know, issued a very, very expedited schedule for briefing in the circuit, where the first briefs will be due by donald trump on saturday, the government's response by december 30th, mr. trump's reply by january 2, argument january 9, the supreme court may say that they are moving so fast, we'll see what the d.c. circuit says and then we'll revisit the idea about whether to accept further review. and i think that that is what jack smith is trying hard to come in with this filing today

and say you can't wait for that because we don't really know how long it will take for the circuit to rule. and these issues ultimately needed to be decided by you, supreme court. and so unlike other cases where you might let legal issue percolate in the circuit yours of appeal, sometimes for year, to see how they will decide issues and eventually after letting that simmer for a while one of the cases will rise up to the supreme court, what jack smith is saying of course through michael dreeben long time deputy solicitor general, he is saying this is where you don't wait because this is much such importance for the reasons that, you know, that are in the clips that you read in the intro. this is of such importance, it

needs to get to the supreme court quickly. >> and part of the reason we decided to lead this hour with this story is because we so rarely hear from jack smith. so sort of the fact that we were hearing from him it felt monumental. i wonder what you make of his decision to lay it out so publicly. >> this in some ways is his only opportunity because he is not speaking. you know, he is taking wrobert approach to saying you speak through your filings. so i think that we cover what is being written and that is why you see them talking about the response to the country. and also they are saying we don't want this because we'll win or this is the ruling we want, they will make those arguments, but they are saying

this doesn't matter which way you are coming out, which doesn't matter which way the jury comes on you because this is so important to the electorate no matter what the decision is. and i think that is precisely what you want our department of justice to be doing. >> especially as the time line gets tighter. and so to that point, you hadsm respondents's immune it i claim ly indicates issues that are central to the rule of law. and that person conspired to thwart lawful transfer of power. this is vital to protecting our constitution and democracy itself. this is urgent. >> yeah, one of the things that i find encouraging about this document is just the sense of awareness that jack smith seems to have. i mean, oftentimes you get

bureaucrats and lawyers who are brilliant at their jobs, you know, dotting their is and crossing their ts but not seeing the forest through the trees. they are not remembering why this function of government is important. how americans may perceive the work that they are doing. and i think that the mueller probe did fall victim to that in the public's eye. i think that jack smith has an acute understanding not only of the importance of the work he is doing but of the public's perception of it. he also seems to deeply understand the importance for due process for the former president, but also to give the electorate the information that is needs to make an informed decision. so i find it deeply encouraging actually and we are less than a year away from an election. so voters deserve as much information as possible before they goin that polling booth. >> and this is not the only question before the supreme

court. there is the colorado ruling that came down tuesday night, obstruction of an official proceeding case, the court said that they would take on. talk about how they are all linked. and your estimation if you are the justices, how you are talking about them in sum total behind closed doors. >> so technically speaking, they are not really linked at all in any sort of legal sense in terms of one needs to proceed before the other or one will cause, you know, a cascading effect on the others. but they all obviously have to do with the conduct on january 6. and the case this we haven't yet seen a petition for review in the supreme court, but the colorado supreme court decision to actually deny trump a place on the ballot because of its finding that he engaged in insurrection, that is a case that would normally i think move very, very fast except for that

colorado supreme court stayed the effectiveness of its ruling through january 4 and said as long as mr. trump as just filed for review in the supreme court by january 4, it will remain stayed throughout until we hear from the supreme court. and by staying their ruling, that means mr. trump's name goes on the colorado ballots. and i should say the colorado republican presidential ballots. primary is march 5. first ballots start going out to military overseas on january 20. and excepting absentee ballot requests on january 20. so for mr. trump, actually having a stay means that he is on that ballot. and even though the supreme court could rule at any point after that including before march 5, and say that you are not qualified to be on the ballot if they were to affirm the colorado supreme court, there certainly would have

people by then who would have already checked had box for mr. trump. and those votes at that point if that were to be the result arguably would not be able to be counted. so there is -- there is still pressure on the supreme court i think even though maybe donald trump himself thinks, hey, get me on the ballot and i'm halfway there. the case involving the challenge to obstruction offenses charged against an actual rioter, someone who physically attacked the capitol, physically attacked police officers at the capitol, that one has no reason to slow down anything else going on and certainly not the march 4 date for a trial in the january 6 related case that jack smith has brought, the two one that may get pushed because of the appeal on immimmunity. i think that it is likely that it will get pushed for some weeks but otherwise will go forward. but the obstruction case, that is a completely different fact

all scenario. applicable to a different individual. and that is something that if the court says that obstruction is not applicable to that individual's violent conduct, they would -- that would be something that court in d.c. would take into consideration if mr. trump made the argument that that should not be applicable to him. that could happen in a trial or even after conviction. that is a typical thing that somebody appeals after conviction. but no question that just in terms of the court's calendar and its schedule and busyness of how busy it will be, pretty staggering. three cases that are pending before it or pending review before it all involving january 6. >> and all set against the backdrop of a court about which there are ethical questions. i'm thinking about the reporting

in which they arrived at the decision to take up the dobbs case, the fact that you have clarence thomas' wife activery involved as a part of the coup, a question of whether he should recuse himself from this case. >> my hope, my fervent hope, is that given the amount of pressure the court is under, it will pass that test by showing just how committed to american democracy and to its role as the third branch of that democracy without being activists, it will look at the letter of the law, it will review the facts as any court would do. and it will -- you know, the ruling that it makes, whatever the conclusion it comes to, you want to be through an ethical process. and so americans are certainly

watching and the court is getting farther and farther away from the majority viewpoint in this country. but hopefully especially with john roberts at the helm, we'll see they will the adults in the room. a scary phrase. but all eyes are on them. >> i agree with the point there about the fact that lot of this will come down to john roberts. >> i think that that is right. i think that roberts, cavanaugh, i think that they will essentially split. and from a political perspective looking even handed because you can -- you know, i'm not very optimistic that the colorado case will be affirmed. they are just way too many off-ramps and basically the government has to win on so many different issues for that to be affirmed. so there is a way though for the

supreme court to say we're not going forward, you know, with that and barring him. but they also don't have to say that he didn't engage in insurrection, they can sort of leave the facts there because i don't think that they will have enough justices who want to challenge those facts. and then on immunity, i can really see them having a very strong opinion saying that either judge chutkan is right that absolute immunity doesn't apply at all in a criminal context, or even if you take the outer perimeter view, this is not likely to be outer perimeter and this is a jury issue and threat let it go to trial. so it will seem even handed with the two cases in front of them. >> so let's talk about if the justices take the case, and they go head to head, it will be a studin contrasts.

dreeben spent two decades at the justice. and so experience that will be relevance as he backs prosecution of trump. but sauer meanwhile is best known for republican backed lawsuits that accuse the biden administration of social media -- talk about that contrast. which i'm sure that you know well. >> and i've worked for michael d dreeben for decades. and i worked with under republican and democrat administrations and so did he. and he represented the united states of america in some of the most significant criminal cases that went up to the supreme court over his decades of service. again, sometimes standing there representing the department of

justice under a republican president, sometimes representing the department of justice under a democrat president. i think that he has the respect of the justices. i have worked with him back when i was in the department. i've actually urged him to seek cert on issues where he told me no and i have also worked with him on issues where we did go to the supreme court. he is careful, institutionalist is a good word. he respects the rule of law and role of the department of justice in the rule of law and making sure that it is administered fairly and without bias and certainly not based on political motivation. so i think that he is a formidable opponent for mr. trump's lawyers including mr. sauer and others who don't have that kind of experience, don't have that kind of experience

arguing in the supreme court and he simply is not as well-known to the justices as michael dreeben. i think that the justices respect him. he has won and lost cases. but he does an excellent oral advocate and excellent thinker and he is candid with the court and they know that what he says they can take to the bank. i think he has shown that over and over and over again throughout his career. so i can't say much about mr. sauer because he has not been practicing that long. certainly not compared to michael. and he has been involved in cases that at least have an appearance of being politically driven cases. so i think that it is a mismatch. but the issues here and the arguments in the briefs will be what is most important. >> and so yeah, i've worked with

him for decades. i do think it is worth noting, and i include everything that mary said, that in this case, it is really going to be the facts and the law. i mean, as lawyers we like to think that but for me, you know, this wouldn't have happened. it is my skill as a lawyer in court and the appellate realm that wins the case. but i think here there will be so much thought, whether it is from the actual litigants or what rules date even though there is a mismatch. >> andrew, mary, thank you both so much for getting us started. the podcast proper prosecuting donald trump can be listened anywhere you willness to listen to podcasts phenomenon. and coming up, we'll have 27 bills passed, 19 votes for speaker, gop congress makes

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re-election campaign appears to have answered that questioned in their own way posting on social media this -- trump parrots hitler. he says we'll root out opponents that live like vermin in our country. and hitler's language on the right, jews are vermin and paths that must be exterminated. there are other examples too. joining ours conversation, rick stengel and also with us at the table political scholar eddie glad. first of all, trump will say what says. is it a sound idea from the biden team to make the connection to hitler so explicit? >> so many rules of law made by

donald trump. in fact the white house making the analogy to hitler. and i thought that you were going to call on eddie first, so i want to bring up something else which is in fact even scarier than the analogy to hitler, which is that hitler came to power through legal means. the nazi party became the biggest polling party in germany in the 1930s. hitler was appointed by the chancellor -- to be chancellor. democracies die at the ballot box and that is what we have to avoid at all costs. even worse than calling people vermin vermin. >> and so speak to that. >> and it is important because one of the powerful things about the american experiment, we never had the opportunity to actually vote ourselves out of a

democracy. so when we think about national socialism as it were, it is predicated upon a whole host of grievances. the impact of world wars and how germany -- germans feel in relation to the rest of europe pnd and hisler comes into that and exploits a sense economic alienation, a sense of general cultural distancing that has happened as a result of europe turning its nose at germany, which was the most educated public in europe at the time. so what is the link here with trump? the beating heart of donald trump is white grievance. it is the beating heart of his political success. and when we see all of this, all the things you've just listed, we see him appealing again to the very same thing that gave us nazi germany. >> and he is explicit that he is talking about immigrants coming from africa, immigrants coming from asia, immigrants coming

from latin america. >> once you've decided that you are going to dehumanize one group of people, there is no reason to stop. it never stops at one group of people. today it is african immigrants, immigrants from asia. it could be jews, blacks. it doesn't really matter because you've made the decision to dehumanize a group people. why is that important? because if you look at the historic record, and i don't have to telling you this, of course that is how you essentially allow citizens to turn against one another and you allow people to commit political violence. this is about power. and i think that it is really a good moment to just take the hater at his word. we should not be clever with it. we should take him at his word that he does not believe all humans have equal value or

dignity. and if given the chance to be elected again, will act accordingly. americans i hope -- i understand the country is exhausted both from trumpism, from division and weary from a pandemic. and yet hopefully we have it in us to wake up and make a decision that we don't want to live in that kind of a country. this can happen here. it did happen here in the south in a different way. and that was within living memory. i think that we don't talk about that enough. and i hope that rather than get clever and political about this we can also just recognize that this is really a war of ideas and so it demands a response. actually, no, donald, all people do have equal dignity and value as human beings. who believes that? most of us believe that. so allowing him to turn us

against one -- turn us against ourselves are a very dangerous thing and i think that we need to be very honest about the mass appeal that fascism has. and that is a hard thing to accept, but what do we do? we can start by acknowledging it and then figure out how to kind of dismantle the ideology, bring as many americans possible along because this is not the kind of country that we want to live in. >> especially because to rick's point, yes, you can highlight all of the things that donald trump has said and continues to play. i want to play sound and an interview from nicolle was talking with john karl, but also the question of how long people have heard that and become immune. let's listen to it. >> even the phrase the enemy of the people, which he used to describe the press, is something

that is drawn from nazi germany and stalin. this is a dictator's phrase and one that he eagerly embraced. does he know the history? i don't know. but the parallel is clear. >> here is why i don't buy the ignorance. the ignoant person would stop. >> i remember a conversation i had with him when we had the mass shootings in he will pas so he el paso and dayton and concerns that there would be copycats. and a he was using this language out of the third reich, and i said aren't you concerned that people will take your words to heart. aren't you concerned that they will act on them. and without missing a beat, end i hope they take my words to heart because i firmly believe the press is the enemy of the people, et cetera, et cetera. >> i think that it highlights the point about the fact that yes, there is racism, yes there is xenophobia.

and it is the aperture that he wants owed. >> he used it because he know it is works. and part of what we have to do is interrogate why it works. we get so caught up on donald trump as the exceptional figure. because he in his own unique way has been able to mobilize these grievances, these fears, these hatreds for his own political ends. and it is important for us to understand him as a figure. but we also have to understand why this is attractive to so many people in the united states. and here is the convergence. when we think about what is going to happen in terms of the 14th amendment, it comes out of the war that tore the country apart. that left over 600,000 bodies dead. and why was it necessary? because you had traitors committed to a certain view. literally trying to undermine the government. and so we have tried to make a decision that thesetraitors --

happened? we turned our back. and what did we see? we saw the very soil put in place that makes a donald trump possible. this is not just about him. is never was. it is about us. and it has always been about us. and we refuse to make the choice. donald trump is the exceptional figure and what we don't want to look at, because we have -- he fits our melodramatic model, we don't want to look at ours, the fact that we've been doing this with regard to grievance and fear and hatred since day one. it is the liberal tradition that under girds our call american dream. until we confront it, you know, we think that we'll get over it if we just see the back of donald trump's head. we thought that with the

election and look what happened. >> no one is going anywhere. after the break, back in october one republican congressman called his caucus a, quote, clown car. and now we're seeing the results of putting that caucus in charge just 27 bills passed by congress were signed in to law this year. that story next. ear. that story next. nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪) children are the greatest joy and our best hope for a better future. friends, they are the future. but did you know that millions of kids right here in our own backyard are facing hunger every day without healthy food it's harder to grow, to thrive, to feel their best. the impact

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another new low for the republican led congress. the house passed a measly 27 bills that went on to become law this year. more than 200 short of what

democrats accomplished last year. as the "new york times" points out that is 27 bills passed, despite holding a total of 700 votes. among them, six trying to censure democrats, another three to expel admitted liar george santos. and dozens of votes on far right extreme nonstarters. and 19 painstaking votes just to get two house speakers approved, one of who who decided to retire completely. and fro the "times," that is more voting and less law maimp making than any other time in the last decade. and the nurm numbers reflect the challenges plaguing republicans likely to continue and maybe even get worse. and we're back with rick, did eddie and maura.

>> this is sad and also understandable. you think that divided government is less effective than one party. but history has actually shown that divided government is often more effective than when they are all aligned. and the problem is that just the disaffection the incompetence within the republican party. the republican party is more divided internally than it is against the democratic party. >> and i want to pick up on something that you said there andri it to maura, which the "times" says that tiny majority that requires unanimity to get anything done, deep party divisions that that make unanimity all but imable for, and a right wing who is not passing new recalls.

>> i don't know how they pull it off the rails. but we often talk about the extremism and anti-democratic rhetoric as a sign that the republican party has essentially given up on democracy and just interested in power. absolutely true. no question. but this is another symptom i think. which is to say that there is a significant portion of this caucus that did not come to washington to do the people's business. they did not come to govern. they did not come to pass laws that make the lives of americans better. they came for the sake of staying in power for themselves. and that is also an authoritarian straight. and we should talk i think more about that. essentially their constituents are not voters but this right wing of donald trump's base who are on fox news or whatever, the most extreme version of that party. that is their base. their base is the right wing troll that will give them credit

and their base is donald trump. and part of my concern is that that doesn't just flashback on republicans. that that comes back on congress. there was a gallup poll in september, 82% disapproval of congress. yes, under republican leadership. i think their core argument is that government can't be an engine of good, so it behooves them to have government dysfunction. it is much more challenging that we could actually be doing things to make your life better. we could be talking about housing, afford act, protecting abortion rights. but instead a bunch of nonsense votes. >> how to make the argument within the context of the robust defense of democracy. three things are happening. and that is a kind of partisan performance politics, the folks coming from the gerrymandering

districts who are holding the libs out of self -- a whole lot of stupid people on the hill. and especially the republican party. and ideology is that for the long time, we want to destruct the administraive state, we want small government. that is not a do nothing congress. it is more like an ironic version of melville's barnaby skrif never, i prefer not to do anything to help ordinary people. i prefer to be here on the libs and pursue an agenda. >> and i think that is exactly the point, we used to understand that people wanted to hold on to their seats because they had a legislative agenda that they wanted to accomplish but that doesn't seem to be the case here. >> yes, they don't even know

what the word govern means. they didn't come to govern, they didn't come to do the people's business. they came to unravel the people's business. they want to destruction government and we've never had such an anti democratic major party trying to govern at one time and that is why the wheels have come spinning off. >> rick, eddie, maura, thank you all so much for joining us. after the break, the biden administration scrambling to figure out a way to help ukraine as aid money runs out at the end of the year. t at the end of the year.

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new reporting today speaks to the urgent need to get aid to ukraine. almost two years in to the unprovoked invasion. with congress having closed the door on any new funding by the end of the year. thanks to unrelenting demands from republicans. and warnings from the pentagon this week, the u.s. funding will run out nine days from today. "new york times" reports the biden administration is considering uses russian backed assets. and they have begun assets about using at a moment when financial support is waning. according to senior american and european officials. joining us now, friend of the show and former adviser to president zelenskyy igor, good to see you, i know you just sent us some photos from kyiv.

and we'll put them up on the screen. >> and good evening. we're in the middle of an actual drone attack at the moment. there aren't any drones in kyiv left as of now, but an hour ago, a russian drone directly hit a building destroying the 26th and 27th floors. the air raids are still in place and there could be ballistic missiles coming sometime during the night. so one thing we have to remember, the war doesn't get a christmas break or because of the lack of funding. and even though the democracy doesn't have darkness, the wars don't stop in that darkness. >> and you talked about a lack of funding so let's talk about what is happening in the united states and how it relates to what you are facing in ukraine. your reaction to the white house

having to look elsewhere with lawmakers abandoning a last ditch effort because of extreme demands from republicans here. >> what they are effectively doing, two things i don't really understand, first of all, especially the republicans who are blocking it, they are effectively actually flushing down the drain the tens of billions of military provided. because the wars don't stop. and therefore if you put military aid on hold, are you effectively, you know, placing ukraine at the disadvantage. because russia doesn't stop because of the congress stopped for christmas break. that is the first thing. second thing, this is not the war between russia and ukraine. iran is at play, north korea is at play, china is looking at taiwan. i would classify it as a third world war and effectively they putting the u.s. at the disadvantage. because if the republicans decided to go on the christmas break while the dictatorships

attack democracies, people sooner or later will start betting against the u.s. allies and that is not in the national interests. >> we often talk about how the allies and adversaries are watching what republicans in congress are doing, what they make of it, the message that it sends. it is almost two years in to the war. and even as we just put up the pictures of what just happened in kyiv, the resilience that we continue to see even in light of all of this about. >> >> and we're still are on th. democracy is on the line. regardless of what happens next, we are going to keep fighting to the very end. but the thing is, there is only so much you can do against what used to be a superpower. they have more weapons, more men, they are not shying away from using their military as cannon effectively. we put up 100,000 soldiers they

put up 300 and they are willing to lose them. a takeaway that i would highlight is that ukraine is pretty much the front line in that war between dictatorships and democracies. if ukraine loses, russia is not going to stop. it's going to keep pushing towards the baltic states, maldova, europe that's actually petrified of them and petrified of losing the u.s. support. potentially, you know. and, therefore, you know, this war doesn't end just because the congress decided it must ends. but then what happens next you are going to be fighting a losing battle against a foremost superpower dictatorship. >> you said the stakes for national security, we have a minute left, if you could say something to republicans in congress who decided to go home without getting it this done, what would that be? >> i would say to them, first of all, i mean, i don't think all republicans are the same. so to the sane republicans, i

would say that it's time to put the politics away and remember that at the times of crisis bipartisanship and unity wins wars. everything else loses wars. to the crowd that's on the russian paycheck or is just stupid enough not to understand what's going on, you know, i'm afraid there is no point in trying to break through to them. i can refer to christian values, but, you know, apparent lay they have their own understanding of christianity. >> thank you so much for spending time with us. take a quick break. after that, an historic milestone for the u.s. economy. ! use your vision benefits before they expire. visionworks. see the difference. (husband) yoohoo, surprise!

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thank you for spending time with us on this thursday. "the beat" with katy faang in for ari melber starts right now. >> good to see you. take care. welcome to "the beat." i'm katie phang in in for ari melber. mary trump will be here. we will get her reaction to trump's racist remarks and escalating authoritarian tendencies. and rudy giuliani files for bankruptcy. how will this affect the judgment against him. we will have the latest. we start tonight with special counsel jack smith continuing to clash with donald trump. and what will likely prove to be landmark case, smith is urging the supreme court to fast track deciding to take up trump's