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increase, an influx in migrants just the other day. that's going to be a huge talking point. i would imagine that there's going to be some kind of reconciliation around this. i just don't know what that looks like at this point. >> all right. politics reporter at "semafor," kadia goba, thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. thank you, all, for getting up "way too early" with us on this friday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. outside in the parking lot is where this call from ronna mcdaniel and donald trump was received, and they instructed these individuals and pressured them, "you voted to certify, demanding this audit, but if you don't sign this certification, you cannot sign the certification. because if you do sign the certification, you'll never get the audit you're pressing for." >> that was a reporter from "the detroit news" speaking about audio recording he says he heard
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which reportedly captured donald trump telling michigan officials not to certify the 2020 election results. we're going to dig into that explosive, new reporting. plus, as trump continues to double down on his anti-immigrant rhetoric, a recent poll shows republican voters say that his racist language makes them more likely to vote for him. also ahead, america's mayor is broke. rudy giuliani filed for bankruptcy just days after being ordered to pay $146 million in his defamation case. and regrets, he's had a few. what republican presidential candidate ron desantis is saying is the one thing he wishes he could change about the gop primary. here's a hint, it's not anything that he did. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." i'm jonathan lemire, along with
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the bbc's katty kay, in for joe, mika, and willie. with us, we have former white house director of communications to president obama, our friend, jennifer palmieri. also the co-host of the podcast, "how to win 2024." you saw him fill in on "way too early," white house editor for "politico," sam stein is here. and sitting with me at the table, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. katty, we've known for a while that donald trump tried to overturn the 2020 election results. now, we've got some more specific evidence, it would appear. >> yeah, we may be inching toward the christmas holidays, john, but the news is not stopping. we begin with another reported example of donald trump, as you say, trying to overturn that election loss while he was the president. this time, it involves the certification process in michigan's most populous county. we're not talking about georgia here. we're talking about michigan. "the detroit news" says on a
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mid-november 2020 phone call, trump pressured two republican members of the wayne county board of canvases, telling them not to certify the results which biden won by 40 points. the conversations were captured in recordings from "the detroit news." nbc hasn't heard the recordings. in the recording including ronna maniel, trump told monica palmer and william hartmann they'd look, quote, terrible if they signed the documents. in an earlier meeting, palmer and hartmann vot against it beforewihing to votes of support during the same meeting. following that meeting and the call with trump, hartmann and palmer tried unsuccessfully to rescind their votes in favor of cert certification, saying they were pressured to do so. "the detroit news" reached out
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to spokespeople for the former president, rnc chair mcdaniel, palmer and the other canvasser, hartmann, died in 2021. it sounds similar to georgia with the, "you have to find me the votes." who knows what impact this will have, but it is another example, this recording, of the pressure that election officials were under to switch the 2020 election in favor of donald trump. >> yeah. michigan, like georgia, a battleground state again next year. vaughn hillyard, you know, we've known for a while that donald trump personally got involved in georgia. spoke to the secretary of state there, asked brad raffensperger to find the precise number of votes he would need to flip, to put georgia in his column. that's what is striking here. it is trump himself, with the power of the presidency behind
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him, potentially calling from the resolute desk, in the oval office, trying to lean on state officials to official fraud. >> right, behind the scenes. don't forget, he literally called arizona governor doug ducey as he was signing arizona's certification, but he turned over his phone and didn't take the call. he also called rusty bauer. you're talking about the wayne county board of canvassers. these are public servers. they're nominated by their local political parties, then the county clerk says, "you'll be the one to certify the results." under law, it is their obligation to do so. those two republicans attempted to go back and rescind their certiication of wayne county's results. this is an overwhelmingly democratic county that was responsible, ultimately, for giving joe biden the win. after donald trump's phone call, along with rnc chairwoman ronna
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mcdaniel, they tried to rescind their certification. this gives concern to elections in the future. folks understand those folks are essential to the democratic process and being able to certify the election results. >> i'm with vaughn. at first, i was like, this sounds obviously like something donald trump would do, because we know he did it before, and then you step back and you think about the severity and enormity of it. the idea that the president, the sitting president of the united states, would call these two low-level officials who were doing a civic duty, and the amount of pressure they probably felt vis-a-vis that phone call. i guess, you know, i've thought a lot about this, and i'd love to get jen's take on this because she's served on a campaign, but if you were the biden campaign, would the idea this would happen ever cross your mind, where you'd either have to prepare for something
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like this or would it change how campaigns operate going forward? will the biden campaign, the dnc, have to expend resources, doing the type of educational stuff for poll worker, to make sure they aren't influenced or they are immune to this type of pressure? >> yeah, you would have to do that. i think starting in '16, we had pretty aggressive training for -- legal training for volunteers, people who were going to be poll workers, people who were going to be at polling places, not administering the vote but being on standby in case voters had problems with the votes. you'll have to have a whole legal operation alongside the campaign that is thinking about the, you know, what happens once the voting stops.
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everything from counting to certifies to the processes that we became familiar with in 2020. and, you know, trump failed with georgia. he failed with arizona when he appealed to higher level officials like the governor and the secretary of state, but with lower level county officials, even party officials that are on these county boards, it worked. so what can we expect to happen in '24? you expect a lot of this. it is going to have to be -- it's been a big priority for campaigns for a while, to build this kind of -- to have this kind of operation, to look at legally what's happening post vote, but it'll be a bigger deal in '24. >> key difference next year, of course, is trump this time won't have the power of the presidency behind him. certainly, democratic staffers and the biden re-election team are preparing for all sorts of things. we have a big story we've been tracking the last couple days, and, vaughn, you've been
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following the timing of former president trump's legal team's expected appeal of the supreme court decision that removed the ex-president from the 2024 primary ballot. vaughn, what's the latest? >> timing is everything here. you're looking at all of these primaries beginning. iowa is going first on january 15th. new hampshire one week later on january 23rd. if the supreme court were to affirm the colorado supreme court's decision and disqualify donald trump from the ballot in colorado, that'll have a far-reaching impact, likely removing him from the ballot in all 50 states. of course, the concern of the republican party is potential nullification of republican electorate votes as they're selecting their nominee. his team does, in fact, intend to file the appeal and take their chances, take this to the u.s. supreme court. we expect them not to file the appeal until after christmas. sometime most likely next week but before january 4th, which is the requirement under the colorado supreme court's ruling
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for them to appeal if, in fact, donald trump were to stay on the ballot as part of the initial order. >> president biden hasn't weighed in on the merits of the case, but we heard from him this week, katty, saying it was clear that donald trump inspired an insurrection. there's been a lot of debate about the political fallout here with many democrats worrying this will just make trump all the stronger. >> yeah, and, of course, donald trump fundraising off the back of it, right? i'm sure your email box, john, is full of email campaigns from the trump campaign saying, "please give us money because of all of this going on," and this latest one is another they're trying to raise money out of it. meanwhile, of course, donald trump, legal issues aside, is continuing to use dehumanizing language about migrants, rhetoric that has historians drawing comparisons to phrases used by adolph of hitler. here's what he said in one of 17 videos posted on social media just last night. >> illegal immigration is poisoning the blood of our nation. they're coming from prisons, from mental institutions, from
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all over the world. without borders and fair elections, you don't have a country. make america great again. we must win in 2024. or we will not have a nation. thank you. >> so it's been pointed out to donald trump where this comes from and what the rhetoric has hints of, and, yet, he keeps on using it. why does he keep saying things like that? well, maybe because recent polling sho that those anti-immigrant comments are helping him more than they're hurting him. specifically, with republicans in iowa. in the latest nbc news/"des moines register"/media.com poll conducted earlier this month, 42% said trump's "poisoning the blood" remark made them more likely to support him. 28% said it made them less likely to go for trump.
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i guess the question for democrats here, jen, is how do they counter this? because just pointing out that this has echoes of adolph hitler, and i've just come from spending a few days in vienna and, remarkably, people were talking about these comments in that city, where you can imagine the resonance is so vibrant. >> what do democrats do to counter that polling that shows that more people will vote for him because of those comments? >> well, it is more people within the republican party, right? >> right, that's true. >> it's not even -- i look and am like, 42% of republicans. that's not a majority of republicans. that's certainly not a majority of americans. i think -- and this is -- i mean, i think we all know that this is what the media struggles with and what i think the biden white house tries to calibrate, is how hard do you go after defining trump and how early?
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because people become -- because the things he says is so extreme, how long is your runway, that you can continue to -- that people don't start to tune out because they've heard time and time again, "this is the most extreme thing ever, the most racist thing ever, and this is calling back to phrases from hitler"? it's hard to calibrate that, but i think what they have decided they need to do, and, you know, you see the president do this in fundraisers and when the campaign really gets under way soon, you know, soon, because this campaign is going to start soon because trump is probably going to wrap up the nomination early, they're going to be that tough on him. you know, the president's words are going to have resonance, even when we keep hearing over and over again just how
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dangerous trump is. it's really the only option you have. >> sam, it's usually a rule of politics that if you have to say things like, "i haven't read "mein kampf,"" that probably means you're losing, but that doesn't appear to be the case this time around. trump had to issue that denial in recent days, yet, certainly, his poll numbers haven't slipped. so that was -- jen touched upon how the biden team will approach this, and we've been wriing on it, as well, they'll call it out as they see it. what will other republicans do? those who stand up to trump, mitch mcconnell said he ron dem condemned these remarks, but what about those republicans trying to beat trump, in theory? >> we've seen it. nikki haley, ron desantis, sort of tepid pushback, i'd argue, saying it's language they would not have used, inappropriate perhaps. nothing along the lines of comparing trump to adolph hitler, which the biden campaign
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has done. biden campaign literally put together a graphic with trump's image and hitler's, side by side, comparing the quotes. that's not a fairly -- that's a highly aggressive campaign attack from the biden campaign, which they say is justified. historians are pointing out this is fascist, authoritative rhetoric. authoritarian rhetoric, i should say. republicans haven't gone to that length. part of the reason is obvious. the polling, as we noted, supports in the context of the republican primary, supports what trump is saying. you know, i find the more interesting conversation to be the one that jen had, which is, like, where does the biden campaign bring this? one of the things i've been trying to grapple with and trying to figure out is, you know, are they worried at all that because -- by fact we've been through four years of trump and came out on the other end, and here we are, maybe the voting public doesn't take these threats of, you know, fascism and the loss of democracy all
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that seriously. they've lived through it. they survived it. they came out the other side. you know, maybe when they hear the biden campaign say, "hey, this guy is echoing adolph hitler," they say, "yeah, we dealt with trump for four years. we know who he is, and it didn't ruin us. why are you saying that now?" i wonder if that's in the back of the biden campaign's mind. >> there is a fear that voters are desensitized, and the republicans have done a really good job in downplaying what happened on january 6th, for example, whitewashing that. there is a fear the stakes of a trump presidency might not be quite known to all the voters. we'll come back in one minute and bring you vaughn hillyard's new reporting on the possibility of a coalition government deciding the presidency next year. an idea that's being pushed by the group trying to mount a third party campaign. "morning joe" is back in just 60 seconds. nds. [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need.
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hello to the people of auckland, new zealand. i've been there. i'm a little teapot, short and stout. happy birthday, molly. i understand it's come up. here's my handle. here's my spout. you are a big fan of and dedicated to make america great again. beautiful part of the world. anytime you want to invite me back, invite me. i'll be there. >> it'll never get better than the teapot one. those are just some of the short videos that rudy giuliani, the man once known as america's mayor, has been making on cameo for the last few years in an effort to make a little extra income. yesterday, giuliani filed for bankruptcy after he was ordered to immediately pay nearly $150 million defamation lawsuit judgment to those two former election workers in the state of georgia. the judge lifted the typical 30-day waiting period over concerns that giuliani might try
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to hide his assets, which in the filing, giuliani lists as being between $1 million and $10 million. with his current debt at more than $150 million. the filing also noted themer new york city mayor has other lawsuits pending against h with up to million in total estimated liabilities. a spokesman for the former trump lawyer released a statement that reads in part this, "the filing should be a surprise too one. no person could have reasonably believed that mayor rudy giuliani would be able to pay such a high punitive amount. apter 11 will afford mayor giuliani the opportunity and time to pursue an appeal while providing transparency foris finances." in a statement, the attorney for the forer election workers called the filing unsurprising, adding, quote, "it will not succeed in discharging mr. giuliani's debt to ruby freeman and shaye moss." jen palmieri, no surprise that
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giuliani would say, "i don't have the money to pay these workers." there are fears as to how much those workers will receive. >> right. >> again, i can't help but see this and think about the incredible, swift, and steep fall from grace for a man who was such a hero to so many americans in 2001. would be hard pressed to find a comparable slide anywhere in american history. >> yeah, i certainly -- yeah, one doesn't come to mind. i think that if you don't have deep exposure to the sort of trump and maga world, you might not appreciate how much the grift helps to prop up former president trump and his whole operation. you know, there are millions and millions of americans that are true believers and really committed to trump and believe what he says. he says what i hear all the time on the road. then there are giuliani and
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others that help prop up the whole operation because they're making money off of it. it really is a big reason why the whole machine continues. the teapot, i mean, sam said it in the 5:00 a.m. hour, you can't make it up. i can't add to that. >> it is so humiliating. >> yes, katty. >> i mean, how the mighty have fallen. you know, i hope that none of us are ever in a position where we are so desperate for money, that we have to go on television to people in new zealand and say, "i'm a teapot, short and stout." >> i'd do it. >> sam would. >> sam! >> no shame. it's a good song. >> okay. none of us except for sam stein would do such a thing. >> makes sense. let's move on, and it is kind of related. no labels, the third party organization working on a unity ticket, is floating the idea of
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a coalition government after the 2024 election if no candidate reaches the 270 electoral college votes necessary to win the presidency. vaughn, what are you hearing? is this even remotely plausible? >> everyone, work with us here. america, work with us. this is under the situation that no candidate next november gets 270 electoral college votes. no labels is that organization that flirted with joe manchin potentially being a presidential candidate. they're trying to build what would be a bipartisan unity ticket with a democrat, a republican on the president and vp ticket. well, they think they've got a real shot. they haven't announced their candidates but plan to this spring. they think they have a shot to win some states around the country. if no candidate gets 270 electoral college votes next november, what happens, this is where from my conversations with the group, including tom davis, a former republican congressman
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from virginia, as well as a co-founder of no labels, we were talking yesterday. he told me they foresee a situation where they'd build a coalition government, where they at the electoral vote count on december 17th, 2024, begin negotiating with either the republican party or the democratic party using unbound electors, faithless electors. there are 33 states that require electors to vote for the candidate that the state population voted for, but then there are 17 states that don't have those requirements. so they say, okay, no labels, we have a few electors that either donald trump or joe biden will need. what can you give us in return? tom davis told me that they believe that either policy concessions are on the line or even potentially the vp slot or cabinet positions or, you know, in the situation that he provided me, "okay, commit
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you'll finish the border wall or not run up a deficit, and we'll give you our electors." this is complex. if i may, the next step they're actively talking about would be the scenario in which the u.s. house selects who the president is. let's say the electoral college vote sticks there. then it'd come down to state delegations. each state delegation in the u.s. house has one vote. a candidate would need 26 state delegations to side with them. again, that is where the negotiations begin here, and this is very complex. the last time it happened was literally 200 years ago when andrew jackson won the plurality of the popular vote around the country, but when it was left to the u.s. house to decide, the state delegation sided with john quincy adams. that's how john quincy adams became the president of the united states. this is complex, but what everybody needs to know is there is a group that has tens of millions of dollars in their pockets, and they believe they have a shot to really throw this
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presidential election in 204 -- 2024 chaos and bring to it a wild conclusion in january 2025. >> chaotic. republicans control the house of representatives, slim margin, but they do. joe manchin, rumored to be a no labels possibility, sam, is having a high-profile event in new hampshire in the coming weeks, although under the umbrella of another organization, his own superpac. give us your read on this. i know that most democrats that i speak to are in pure panic about third party candidates, including no labels, believing that no matter what the scenario, no matter how complicated the plan, at the end of the day, one of these candidates, a third party candidate, hurts bide minnesota -- biden more than trump. >> how vaughn laid it out, seems simple, straightforward. they can't even figure out how to trade immigration policy for ukraine aid right now.
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the idea you would trade a border wall for a presidential ticket is absurd, obviously. it's not going to happen. but, you know, i think the larger story is the kind of macro story we're getting at, which is this group, which does have, you know -- actually, we don't really know how much they have because they don't reveal their finances, but they say they're going to raise something like $70 million or something like that. you know, they're still around. they're still holding out the threat of, you know, having a third party on the ballot in a number of different states where they already have ballot access. they've said at some points that they don't want to play spoiler, and they recognize trump is a threat, but at others, they're talking about now, you know, a disputed election that will go to the house, where a unity ticket will through sheer will and weird policy concessions win, you know, it's out there. i think it gets to how chaotic this election will be. yeah, jonathan, you're right, i mean, the biden people want a
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one-on-one contrast with donald trump. that's what they want. anything that disrupts that, whether it's some bizarre no labels fantasy or rfk jr. or cornell west is not good for them. i think they want to simplify it, and this doesn't simplify it. >> the biden campaign's theory of the case is one it becomes a one-on-one, we win. anything else, that gets messy. nbc's vaughn hillyard, thank you for all the reporting this morning. we really appreciate it. coming up next here on "morning joe," republican presidential candidate ron desantis says that one key issue has made donald trump stronger in the gop primaries. we'll tell you what that is. plus, the los angeles dodgers capture yet another prized free agent. we'll have the details about the latest reported signing. it happened overnight. when "morning joe" comes right back. day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day.
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to the right side, looks that way, throws that way, caught! nacua, touchdown. >> matthew stafford getting the scoring started last night against the new orleans saints with that touchdown pass to puka nacua the end of the opening quarter. it was the first of two tds in the game for stafford, throwing for 328 yards. nacua had 169 yards. the rams rode that strong start to a 30-22 win over the saints. l.a.'s fifth win in six games puts the team above .500 for the first time since week one. they took a significant step forward in their push for a playoff berth. to the nba, the detroit pistons are on the cusp of a dubious record. the pistons last night fell to the utah jazz, 119-111,
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extending the team's losing streak to 25 straight games. that's one short of the single season record. calls from the crowd to sell the team could be heard as the pistons dropped to a woeful 2-26 on the season. and a major league baseball super team appears to be taking shape in los angeles. the dodgers are reportedly in agreement with star japanese pitcher yoshinobu yamamoto on a 12-year, $325 million contract. it's the biggest contract for a player ever who has never thrown an mlb pitch. it comes slightly ahead of gerrit cole's contract with the yankees. let's remember, the dodgers also signed shohei ohtani to a 10-year, $700 million deal. that means the dodgers free agent spending has surpassed $1
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billion. sam stein, that is a lot of money. here is, for you and i, the good news, the yankees didn't get him. that said, yamamoto is, you know, never pitched in the major leagues, but scouts say he has top of the line, ace type stuff. the writing seems to have been on the wall. when ohtani's deal was announced and it had the deferred money which allowed the dodgers to keep spending now, it seemed the most likely target was his friend and countryman yamamoto. the team is loaded. >> i'm a bit sassy today. i don't mean to be, but when you host "way too early," you get up early and you get sassy. >> tell me about that. is that what happens? we know how it'll end, right? dodgers are going to win, like, 114 games. yamamoto will have a great year. they'll get to the playoffs. he'll give up five runs in the first inning of game one, ohtani will end the series 3 for 23 or something like that, and they'll be bounced. that's just how it is with the
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dodgers. i'm with you. the great news here is the yankees didn't get the guy. but let's just be up front about it. we only view this stuff through the prism of the red sox. this is a disastrous offseason. full throttle, this is like, you know, 1/10th throttle. i don't know what to say about ownership. is there a pulse in fenway? what is going on? i'm having, like, early morning panic attacks about our rotation right now. >> yeah, there is deep, deep unhappiness in the fan base for a while. the red sox simply not spending. they haven't spent for a while, with the one exception of locking up devers to the long-term deal. they're clearly the last place team in the american league east. >> clearly. >> as far as yamamoto goes, earlier reporting is the mets offered a similar deal which he took to the dodgers and stayed there. the yankees came in less. it is disappointing for the yankees, as well, but you're right, the dodgers, as good as they've been, they have just the one world series title in the short covid season. >> fluke title, fluke!
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>> fluke title. they've had playoff woes and more needs to address. sam stein, we appreciate your sports insight there and pure anger at the red sox, an anger i share. still ahead on "way too early," the cdc director says the united states isn't near peak flu levels. sam said "way too early," so it was on the brain. this is "morning joe," of course. dr. gupta joins us to talk of the health headlines. i'll say it again, "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ i'll step to the edge ♪ ♪ to see the world below ♪
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beautiful shot of new york city with the sun about to come up on another beautiful day on the east coast. in fact, so beautiful, many of us are wondering what is
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happening to the weather. unlikely we are going to get a white christmas on the east coast. in fact, of course, millions of people around the world this year were impacted by extreme weather events. nbc's al roker takes a look back at some of the biggest climate stories of 2023. >> reporter: 2023, the hottest year ever on earth. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: a year of climate and weather extremes. in the u.s., the number of billion-dollar disasters tallied 25, more than any other year. new year's rang in with thousands of records shattering across europe. at least eight countries had their warmest january day ever. back home, things were no better. a siege of atmospheric rivers lashed through march. flood swept through parts of california, burying the sierra under 60 feet of snow, and brought a historically dry lake back from the dead. when spring arrived, so did the
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tornadoes. the strongest and most devastating twister of the year was a ferocious ef-4, tearing through rolling fork, mississippi, carving a 59-mile path across the state, and packing winds as high as 195 miles per hour. just days later, a two-day tornado outbreak spawned the third largest outbreak in u.s. history. a shift to the east in what's known as the traditional tornado alley is making higher density and more vulnerable populations a target for these types of disasters. in june, wildfire smoke was choking the big apple, making it seem like a mars landscape, shrouding landmarks like the statue of liberty and empire state building. both chicago and new york had the dubious distinction of worst air quality in the world during that hazy week. climate change making wildfire smoke more frequent.
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southern cities broiled under relentless days of dangerous heat. at the end of july, phoenix hitting a record 31 straight days of 100 degrees or hotter. the previous record, just 18 days. miami's extreme heat and tropical humidity resulted in 46 days registering a heat index over 100 degrees. more than a dozen u.s. cities recorded their hottest summer on record. the tropics lit up in late august when hurricane struck north florida at a category 3 with winds of 125 miles per hour. fueled by record warm sea surface temperatures, the fourth most active in history. by november, the brutal heat plaguing the u.s. was now broiling the southern hemisphere. the heat index in rio de janeiro hitting an astonishing 138 degrees, the highest ever recorded there. and for the third year in a row,
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deadly tornadoes ripped through the south just days before christmas. >> oh, my god! whoa! >> reporter: 2023 experiencing so many extreme weather events, we couldn't include them all here. climate change driven weather leaving its mark all around the globe. >> we know it's happening, but you have to see those pictures to get a reminder. you have to wonder why it's so hard to take action. thank you to nbc's al roker for bringing that important report to us and that important reminder with the images. let's bring in medical contributor dr. gupta, a pulmonologist. we know this is happening an impact on infrastructure, people's homes, cities, farmers, for example. what's the impact of climate change on all of us in terms of our health? >> katty, good morning. i'm glad you're bringing this up and platforming this. this is the issue of our time. climate change is the biggest threat multipier on human
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health in our times. what we're knowing now, these last five years have been enormous in terms of the data we've accrued, the ways in which the heat is impacting us beyond just heatstroke. we know it is having impacts on increasing aging, impacting our cognism cognism. the first of its kind during cop-28, we're talking about climate through the lens of health to reach more people. we're talking about indoor air quality in a way, of course prompted by the pandemic, but everybody is thinking about, gosh, do i have air filters? not because there may be another respiratory pandemic down the road, but we have indoor air quality issues across the country, not just the west coast. we're having these conversations and talking about this in a meaningful way. i'm hoping it'll help with the change aspect you're talking about. >> i don't see any chance, doctor, of this improving
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anytime soon. there doesn't seem to be any political will to do very much to bring temperatures down in a way that would stop the extreme events. you mentioned air filters. what could we do as individuals when we know that there's a wildfire in our area, when we see these extreme floods? are there things people could be doing to think about their own health to protect themselves? >> i think the thing that's going to be most tangible that you probably can take the most preventable action on is poor air quality. that'll be the thing that will impact all zip codes across the country. flash floods probably more regional, more geographic, depending on where you're at. air quality issues, what can you do? the dead of winter, hvac companies have less to do, so this is a time maybe where, if you can afford it, upgrade your ventilation. increase your filters, if you have a/c, to merv 10 or 13. that'll be better preparation.
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invest in n-95s if you're near a wildfire prone area. as much new york city as san francisco. i highly represent air filters, hepa filters for the living room and bedroom, especially if you have young kids. as we're learning, short-term exposure to poor air quality, five days, can increase your risk of asthma, especially childhood asthma. if there is one thing you can do as a family, invest in hepa filters for your indoor room or bedroom. >> dr. gupta, let's switch gears. the holidays are almost here, people are going to be all over the country and globe gathering with loved ones. give us an update, if you will, on the illnesses that people should be aware of and what we can be doing to mitigate the spread of disease, the flu, and also there is a new covid variant that seems to be popping up. >> that's right, jonathan. i'm here in a hospital setting right now. we're seeing a steady uptick of covid, flu, and to some degree,
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♪ someday at christmas ♪ look at that. the tree at 30 rock looking so pretty this morning. getting us into the festive season. time for a quick look at the morning papers for you all. in connecticut, "the hartford courant" is reporting on the record people experiencing homelessness in the state and around the country. more than 1,000 people are currently living without shelter in the state. advocates point out the true number is likely much higher. remember them this holiday
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season. in kansas, "the wichita eagle" is highlighting tsa preparations for the holiday travel surge. despite three different weather systems making their way across the country, the agency says it expects to screen over 2 million passengers. give yourselves extra time at the airport, be patient, and double check prohibited packing items to streamline the nightmare security process. and in iowa, "the gazette" reports christmas tree farmers say they're feeling the effects of climate change, too. experts say warmer soil tends to breed fungal disease that can infect and kill the trees, which is what happened to evergreen farms in washington and oregon last season. get those trees while you can. coming up, jack smith is pressing the supreme court for an immediate decision on donald trump's january 6th immunity claims. we'll go over the special counsel's response yesterday to the push by trump's legal team to slow things down. "morning joe" coming right back.
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just before 7:00 a.m. on the east coast, and you can see the line of cars. already very busy at reagan national airport outside of washington, d.c., ahead of the holiday weekend. the traffic has begun. good luck, everyone. welcome back to "morning joe." >> be patient. >> be patient is right. i'm jonathan lemire. that's the bbc's katty kay. we're in for joe, mika, and willie. jen palmieri also still with us. joining the conversation, we have nbc news legal analyst catherine christian. she is a former assistant district attorney in the manhattan d.a.'s office. the host of the podcast, "on brand with donny deutsch," donny deutsch is here. and senior legal correspondent laura garrett. great to see you all.
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we begin with jack smith pushing back on former president donald trump's attempt to slow down a supreme court decision on his presidential immunity appeal. it'd determine if trump is legally immune from prosecution over his actions after the 2020 election. the special counsel's team requested the high court rule directly on the issue rather than wait for the process to go through a lower appeals court. the trurp team responded, asking the justices to wait for the appellate court ruling before making one of their own. yesterday, jack smith's office called the request misguided. writing in part this, "the nation has a compelling interest in a decision on respondent's claim of immunity from these charges, and if they are to be tried, a resolution by conviction or acquittal without
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delay." the high court could decide to act on the special counsel's request at any time. what jack smith didn't say there is the need for the urgency. that's because donald trump will be on the ballot next year. republican primary ballots in the spring. most likely, it'd appear, the general election ballot in the fall. give us your analysis. how do you see the outcome? do you believe the supreme court will take up this case and soon? >> i think they will. jack smith said everything needs to be a prompt resolution because of the 2024 election, that's what he meant. he couldn't say it because it would seem political, but it is a resolution that should be done. the republican primary voters need to know, are they voted for a convicted felon, or will he will acquitted? i never like to predict what the supreme court will do, but i think they will because this is a very big deal and high
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national interest. the trump team said because it is an important case, let the appellate process work first, but as in the president nixon case, the supreme court will probably reach in. they'll have it anyway. do it now. why wait? >> supreme court with a conservative majority and three trump appointee, but they didn't come to his aid in 2020. laura, this, of course, is just one of many, many legal fronts facing the former president. you've got a look back on all the trouble that has piled up for trump other the past year. >> nice to be with you guys this morning. so, of course, all of the legal jeopardy that donald trump finds himself in was well documented for months, even really years, but this was the year that what was once hypothetical turned very, very real. >> we are coming on the air with breaking news set to rattle the 2024 presidential campaign and our country's legal landscape. >> reporter: after years of investigations -- >> they're not coming after me.
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they're coming after you. >> reporter: -- 2023 will go down as the year it all came to a head. >> we have one set of laws in this country, and they apply to everyone. >> reporter: the 45th president now a criminal defendant. donald trump indicted in multiple jurisdictions. >> an unprecedented moment in history. the fallout far reaching. >> this is a grave day and a serious one for our country. >> reporter: first charged in new york for what prosecutors say he did to get into office originally. mr. trump stands accused of doctoring his company's books and records to cover up an embarrassing story ahead of the 2016 election. >> manhattan grand jury voting to indict former president donald trump. >> reporter: then in washington and georgia. >> we look at the facts. we look at the law. we bring charges. >> reporter: allegations of a sweeping conspiracy to stay in power and steal the 2020 election. >> not about calling the election rigged. it's not about saying he'd actually won. it's about the means that he used to do that.
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>> reporter: the former president also charged for what the justice department says he did after he finally left the white house. >> the new photos released showing boxes of documents stashed in a ballroom, even a bathroom at his mar-a-lago home. >> reporter: his arrests and arraignment playing out live. mr. trump treating his court appearances almost as campaign events. the sole mugshot taken in fulton county another surreal first along a steady stream of attacks. >> the attorney general of this state is a disgrace. >> reporter: against the prosecutors, judges, and witnesses against him. >> i did nothing wrong, and everybody knows it. i've never had such support. >> reporter: but with each passing indictment, his poll numbers have grown. his fundraising numbers through the roof. yet his legal woes have become increasingly complicated, with several alleged co-conspirators pleading guilty in georgia and
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now cooperating with prosecutors. >> if they knew then what i know now, i would have declined to represent donald trump in these post election challenges. >> reporter: and it is not just criminal cases on the docket this year. on the civil side -- >> did donald trump sexually abuse ms. carroll? the answer to that from the jury is yes. >> reporter: mr. trump found liable for sexually abusing writer e. jean carroll in the dressing room in a department store in the '90s and calling her claims a hoax. his deposition played at trial. >> you can do anything, grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. that's what you said, right? >> historically, that's true with stars. >> true with stars, that they can grab women by the [ bleep ]? >> well, if you look over the last million years, i guess that's been largely true, not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> reporter: mr. trump now appealing that $5 million verdict against him while the ongoing civil fraud trial in manhattan appears to have struck a nerve. >> this is just a railroad job.
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it's a witch hunt with no jury. >> reporter: the family's realize empire that propelled him to fame in the white house now on the line. having already found fraud, the judge set to determine the penalty in the coming weeks, while mr. trump's rhetoric outside the courtroom -- >> we have a corrupt legal system in new york city and new york state. >> reporter: -- increasingly landing him in real legal jeopardy, battling over two gag orders. >> they do gag orders because they don't want to hear the truth. >> reporter: 2024 could pose the greatest test yet, with the political calendar and mr. trump's trial schedule now on a collision course, with the first criminal trial against the republican frontrunner set to begin next spring. >> for now, all eyes are on the supreme court. as you mentioned at the top of the show, the justices are soon set to decide whether to take up this very critical issue of whether the former president is immune from prosecution at all. >> nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett, thank you very much for that.
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donny, laura spelled it out for us. it is extraordinary. we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the day-to-day fire hose of news can sometimes obscure how big this is. former president facing all this legal trouble. to this point, though, hasn't hurt him. the polls are split on whether a conviction could even hurt him. >> i don't think it'd hurt him. it shows the grandiose, vulgar, legal trouble he has, but almost in a weird way, you're desensitized to it. i watch the piece -- and it is a great piece, laura -- and i'm, like, yeah, yeah, and then i'm not saying you glaze over, but there's so much of it, it almost canceled some of it out. you say, donald trump is indicted. donald trump has legal trouble. donald trump is getting arrested. donald trump is getting convicted. we're numb to it. it is a frightening thing to
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say, but that's the scary part. in the volume of it, sometimes it works for him. if we were a week, two weeks before the election, and any one of those things happened and it happened on its own and none of the other things had happened, it'd be a big difference. you even see the disgusting thing he said about grabbing women, we've heard it a million times already. it's depressing. >> yeah, we become desensitized, and his campaign made it clear, they're using the legal proceedings as rallies to booster his support. laura, thank you again. katty, wait, there's more. we have more legal issues, don't we, for donald trump? >> that piece reminded me of al roker's piece in the last hour. it is a tick-tock of catastrophes. there's so many, we blaze over. it's so good to have these pieces to remind ourselves of this extraordinary moment we're in, and see if any action
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follows. and, yes, there is more. we're also following another reported example of donald trump trying to overturn his 2020 election loss while he was president. this time, it involved the certification process in michigan's most populous county. "the detroit news" reports on a mid-november 2020 phone call, trump pressured two republican members of the wayne county board of canvassers, telling them not to certify the certification of that county's 2020 results, which biden won by nearly 40 points. the conversations were captured in recordings reviewed by "the detroit news." nbc news has not heard or verified those recordings. during the phone call which included rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel, trump reportedly told monica palmer and william hartmann they would look, quote, terrible if they signed the certification, because in an earlier canvassers' meeting,
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palmer artmann voted against certifying before switching their vote. tried to rescind their votes, y saying they were pressured to do so. "the detroit news" reached out to spokespeople for the former president, rnc chair mcdaniel, and canvasser monica palmer. none disputed a summary of that call. the other canvasser, william hartmann, died in 2021. when you hear about this, and to some extent, it's a case of somebody with power pressuring people who didn't have power. we've seen the impact it's had on canvassers across the country. it is hard to be a canvasser because you're operating in this political environment, but is there any legal recourse or legal jeopardy for any of those involved in the case? we've seen what happened in georgia. could that happen in michigan, too? >> could be. what i see when i hear about these tapes is that the special
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counsel and the fulton county d.a. are very happy because this is great evidence for their case and their charges. this shows donald trump's pattern of conduct. he called the georgia secretary of state and governor and tried to pressure them. he tried to pressure vice president pence. here he is doing this in michigan. it shows his intent, his knowledge. he even told these michigan people, "don't worry, we'll get you attorneys." that shows he has a knowledge that what he was asking them to do was illegal. it could be a bribery. you know, when an official person, someone is doing an official act in exchange for a gift, that can be considered bribery. so, yes, but what i think more, it is more evidence against donald trump in his federal election case and fulton county case. >> so we're not the only ones talking about the impact of trump's legal woes on the upcoming election. as republican presidential candidate florida governor ron
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desantis spoke about the impact that trump's numerous indictments have had on the gop primary race. here's what desantis said in a recent interview with the christian broadcasting network. >> is there anything you, if not regret, you look at this campaign and go, huh, i wish i would have done that? how do you feel about that? >> well, there's always different things that happen. i mean, i would say if i could have one thing change, i wish trump hadn't been indicted on any of this stuff. honestly, i think that, you know, from alvin bragg on, i've criticized the cases. i think, you know, someone like a bragg would not have brought that case if it was anyone other than donald trump. you know, someone like that is distorting justice, which is bad. i also think it distorted the primary. i think it's been -- those have kind of been the main issues that happened. >> it's helped him, is that what you're saying, and, therefore -- >> both that, but then it also is just crowded out, i think, so much other stuff, and it's sucked out a lot of oxygen. >> that's interesting. it made him stronger in a way, and it made it tougher for you
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and others? >> i think for the primary, it distorted -- >> the primary. >> yeah. in a general election, i think the democrats have a plan on this. i think the media has a plan on this. if it gets to the point where, six months from now, trump is the presumptive nominee and having to go through this, they have a plan for how they'll ride this out. >> jen, he's probably not wrong. it is clear that trump, polls show it, got a boost from the indictments, but what he didn't talk about, what might had been different, had any of the republicans competing with trump, himself included, taking the indictments and said, you know what? this is serious. donald trump shouldn't be running again. >> if only it was in his power to put the indictments in the proper context to convince republican primary voters that he was a bad choice to be president. if only he had the power to do that. you know, thinking about that
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and the piece prior, you know, "the detroit news" piece, looking ahead to the trial that may start in march, may not, just imagine everything else we're going to record. other recordings. we know about georgia recordings, arizona recordings, and now there is a michigan recording. what else are we going to learn in that trial? we're talking about how we've become desensitized and inert to bad behavior or the wash of legal news, but i'm thinking, remember the january 6th hearings in summer of '22, right, yeah, and how a body was able to tell a compelling story day by day, lay out the facts? it really did have an impact on the american public. jack smith's presentation, we saw in his indictments, very compelling presentations, when that, you know, trial plays out, and day-to-day we're getting the
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news of what has happened and put into constitutional context, because that's what is under threat, the constitution and him not abiding to it, that can have a bigger impact. then the biden campaign, the last six months, the biden campaign is able to make a -- put all of this into context. that's sort of what has been missing, i think. from the day-to-day coverage, it's the broader implication of what that means. that's a big piece of what the presidential campaign will have to be about. >> we should note, of course, chris christie did offer criticisms of trump and his legal problems, but they would have potentially hit differently, donnie, had they come from someone like desantis, who had such a swell of support in the early days of the campaign. we should mention, though, about chris christie, the pressure on -- there is real pressure on christie to drop out right now because of this. we're showing this new poll. another poll that shows that
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nikki haley has been surging in new hampshire. she's up 15 points since the last time there was a survey there. the sapt saint anselm college poll. if chris christie would abandon his race, it's assumed a lot of the 12% could end up with haley, and we'd have a barnburner. trump is up huge in iowa, which is first. new hampshire could be a trip wire. how do you read it, donny? >> math speaks for itself. chris christie, out of the 12%, i think 11% would go there. he's been the anti-trump, and they're certainly not going to trump if they've been with him. i don't think any of this is going to matter. trump is the guy. the numbers are so stunning. what is so scary to me as a democrat or as an anti-trumper, as a guy who loves democracy, is going back to one of your earlier stories, the fact that he's -- his hitler esque
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language, poisoning the blood, the not hurting him but helping him with republican voters. you go, what's wrong with us? what's wrong with us? do we have to start to look in the mirror and what people want in this country and who this country is and who this country has become? that's the scary part. we keep talking about these egregious, disgusting, vulgar things that trump does, and we point them out and raise our hand and go, "well, that'll be the trick." the irony is, the depressing thing, the paradox of it is, it works. so we have to start looking at who we are as a country, and that's what worries me. is this where we are? is this who we are? are we so hate filled, so full of just venom that this is who we are? we're going to find out next november, and it's scary. >> yeah, we may not like what we see back in the mirror,. catherine, it's good we have
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four hours because there are so many trump legal issues. in colorado, he's been removed there by the supreme court from the state's primary ballot. the trump team, as we heard from vaughn earlier, is readying their appeal, which they think they'll have ready to go next week. where do you think this will go? >> i do not believe this supreme court is going to remove a party's nominee from the ballot, assuming it is trump. i'm keeping hope alive that it's not, but i think they won't do it. they'll find a way. federalism, congress should write a law to avoid making that decision and reverse the colorado supreme court. >> okay. we'll see what happens next week on that. certainly politically divisive with a lot of democrats who believe, hey, of course, trump shouldn't be allowed to run, but also saying, this might be a gift to him and only further embolden his support. nbc news legal analyst catherine christian, thank you for joining us this morning. we really appreciate it. still ahead here on "morning joe," how the white house
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welcome back. 7:23 on the east coast. we turn to new developments in israel's war against hamas. in a moment, we'll get exclusive reporting on the white house's efforts to get israel to open a keyboarder crossing with gaza. first, nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter gives us the latest on the fighting. >> reporter: as the war grinds on, this morning, israeli officials are discussing more proposals to get hamas back to the table without committing to a full cease-fire.
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israel media this morning stressing there is a wide gap between the sides, but the talks are not at a standstill. >> we're in communications with the americans, the qataris, the egyptians, and we will not waste any real opportunity that exists to get our people out. >> reporter: inside israel, frustration is growing. protesters inside the war meeting were chanting, "bring them home now." the israeli military said last night they're making progress, claiming control over the neighborhood of gaza city and announcing they've killed 2,000 hamas fighters this month. nbc news has not confirmed that number. in the rest of gaza, a cease-fire would bring desperate relief. 95% of the population is facing crisis levels of hunger nearing famine. one in four households is facing catastrophic conditions, about half a million people starving. rosan tells our team, "i wake up
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every morning to wait in long lines for food, but sometimes i wait until the afternoon without any food. we don't eat that day." the report also underscores the lack of aid coming in. the white house was asked about the challenges. >> i wish i could tell you there is one bottleneck. there's a bunch of reasons. every day is different. >> reporter: the u.s. also is signalled after a much delayed u.n. security council resolution vote, they're ready to support a watered down language warning, making an emphasis for more aid faster. the u.n. says the quantity of food coming in is 10% of what's needed. now helping to increase that, chef jose andres and world central kitchen this week. >> a lot of people very, very happy to see us. >> reporter: they've already delivered 12 million meals since they started their work inside with more on the way. >> so many people hungry in gaza. molly hunter with that report. joining us now with exclusive reporting on the american role in securing more humanitarian aid for gaza, nbc news white
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house correspondent monica alba. what are the conversations that are taking place between the white house and israel, monica? >> reporter: katty, this is something that really did start in earnest after the october 7th attacks. at that time, there was only one border crossing that was negotiated to be open, and that was rafah, which, of course, is the border between egypt and gaza. there was really just a trickle of trucks that started to go in in those initial days and weeks after intense international coordination. in the weeks to followed, starting with president biden's visit to tel-aviv, we understand there was this major push from the biden administration to ask for an additional border crossing, the one known as kerem shalom, to open so that aid could flow directly from israel into gaza. now, this was something that the israeli government was very much opposed to. they said they didn't want to do that at that time. it really required these intensive negotiations,
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in-person appeals. there were visits from secretary of state tony blinken, national security adviser jake sullivan, that really, in terms of the biden administration priority here, meant they emphasize this so much they feel they were able to ultimately convince and persuade israel to change their position. that started with just allowing more trucks to be inspected at that border crossing. they still had to drive back out and only cross into gaza through rafah. then about a week ago, when the national security adviser was on the ground, he basically told israeli prime minister netanyahu face-to-face that this was not negotiable. this needed to take place because, according to humanitarian groups and the biden administration, they agree, the aid getting in is nowhere near enough. sure enough, according to my reporting, the senior administration officials reveal that jake sullivan was on the ground in israel about a week ago and said, "i am not prepared to leave here until this gets
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done." that was something that he really wanted to see happen. ultimately, the israeli government did vote to allow for the kerem shalom border crossing to be not just used for the inspections but to allow some aid in. over the last four or five days, trucks are entering gaza directly from israel. now what you're seeing go in through rafah has been supplemented by this. again, you saw those statistics. when you talk about the hunger crisis, the devolving situation, they concede that more needs to be done. they want to see those numbers grow. they felt this was a major priority under, of course, intense international pressure to step up that issue, to address this devolving crisis, katty. >> a little bit of progress there. still more aid needs to get in there. nbc news white house correspondent monica alba, thank you. coming up, we'll have an in-depth look at one of the hostages still being held in gaza. nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez brings us the story of the kidnapping of noa.
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there is new reporting on the female hostages still being held in gaza. among them, noa argamani, who you can see here being taken on october 7th. nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez has more on the kidnapping of noa. we should note, some of the following images are disturbing. >> reporter: the terror can be seen in what remains, what has been left behind. signs of panic, of violence, a massacre. more than 200 hostages are kidnapped across southern israel in the october 7th terror attack. most are taken from four kibbutz and the super nova music
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festival. among them is 26-year-old noa argamani, one of the first faces of the hostage crisis that will shape the coming war. after nearly two months of relentless bombardment of gaza in response to the attack, a cease-fire deal is reached. the terms of the deal are specific. israeli women and children released in exchange for palestinian women and children held in israeli prisons. over seven days in late november, more than 100 hostages are freed. but by the eighth day -- >> the cease-fire has abruptly ended in gaza with deadly fighting resuming. >> reporter: but many women remain in captivity.
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the u.s. and israel say its hamas' refusal to release this specific group that derails the cease-fire. what leads to the deal finally falling apart? >> hamas reneged. it had agreed to a list of names, and it suddenly couldn't provide these people or didn't want to provide these people. >> reporter: noa argamani is one of those women still held after her abduction from the super nova festival, the all night dance party attacked by hamas. nbc news reviewed photographs, text messages, and used mapping tools to reconstruct the moment of nnoa's kidnapping, trying to understand why she hasn't been freed and what her story tells us about the fate of the remaining hostages and the future of the war raging around them.
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>> this is the place i used to go to get some peace and quiet. she liked this place very much. >> reporter: noa's close friends, bar, noa, and ram, take us to a ridge. gaza is just over 20 miles away. israeli aircraft roar overhead. >> she's so close and yet so far. she was like the best friend ever. she always saw the best in people. >> everybody like her. that's why she was, like, not was -- she is like a glow of all the friends. >> was noa excited about the nova festival? >> i think she wasn't sure if she will go, and it was like a spontaneous thing. >> reporter: around 6:30 a.m. on october 7th, the skies over the super nova festival fill with
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rockets. but to noa and other festival-goers, the scale of the attack is not yet clear. at 7:46 a.m., noa's friend texts this photo saying they're safe, but 20 minutes later, fear is starting to spread. "we are here at the parking lot. staying put." an hour later, noa sends her location with hope that somebody will come and save us. 9:24 a.m., three hours into the attack, noa's boyfriend sends this photo. noa is huddled on the ground hiding. it's the last known picture before they're kidnapped. "it's crazy here." friends text that no one is answering israel's equivalent of 911. he replies, "try asking again. they are finding people one by
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one and killing them." noa's final text is at 10:27 a.m. "we don't have a car." "what does that mean?" the friend keeps texting. "give me a sign, bro. i'm begging you. give me something, avinatan, something. please." after hours of silence, a video appears online. >> the first video was noa drinking water, so i was like, she's okay. there's nothing to worry about. >> we didn't know if maybe she's in israel in the border house or something. >> reporter: but then they see this video. >> ten minutes after we saw the kidnap video, this was, like, a nightmare. >> i remember i was in my car in the parking lot, i was just sitting and rewatching it a million times, over and over. >> what to you see in her face
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when you watch that video? >> i would say she was fighting to death. >> you can see it on her eyes, the way she cried for help. >> reporter: an nbc news analysis of noa's kidnapping video suggests it was film on this road here, half a mile from the super nova site. this location has a field and tree line like the ones over noa's shoulder, and the buildings in the distance appear to be the nearby kibbutz reim. shadows casted by the sun appear to be in keeping with noa's last text message. it suggests they were heading southeast along this dirt road before disappearing into gaza. for the next seven weeks, gaza echoes with the sounds of war. for palestinians, a staggering death toll, now more than 18,000 dead according to the hamas-run health ministry. mainly women and children.
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and growing every day. but on the fate of noa, there's only silence. >> this is the worst situation because you want to stay with hope, but you don't know anything. >> were you hopeful she'd come out during the cease-fire? >> if not today, then tomorrow, the day after tomorrow. we felt that noa is with us, you know? it's like we saw her with us again, just see it behind a glass but you can't quite touch it yet. >> reporter: across israel, fear is growing for the remaining hostages. alongside it, anger among hostage families. much of it aimed at the israeli government. in a leaked recording verified by nbc news, a freed hostage confronts prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> you're putting politics over returning the hostages. hostages
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>> when you're negotiating with a group like hamas, it's not clear that they are prepared to release the hostages. i mean, our goal is to get everyone released. hamas isn't going to release hostages because they've suddenly become humanitarians. they will only release hostages when they feel compelled to do so. and the military pressure worked in the past. it can hopefully work in the future. what is the alternative? there isn't one. >> what we hear over and over again ispriority, not destroying hamas. they feel the government is prioritizing destroying hamas. >> from our perspective as a government, we see no contradiction between the goal of defeating hamas, destroying hamas, and getting the hostages out. >> reporter: we wanted to understand, why did hamas
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release mothers, children, even some men, but not noa and the young women around her? in washington, the state department offered one theory. >> it seems one of the reasons they don't want to turn women over that they've been holding hostage, and the reason this fell apart, and they don't want the women to be able to talk about what happened to them during their time in custody. >> does the israeli government have any information that supports that? >> we fear for the state of the hostages. anyone who saw what hamas was capable of on october 7th, the sort of violence, whether it's the beheadings, the burning of people alive, the rapes. >> reporter: nbc news has reviewed evidence suggesting dozens of israeli women were raped, sexually assaulted, or mutilated on october 7th. some freed hostages say they also suffered sexual abuse while in captivity, according to a group representing families. nbc news has not been able to independently confirm that.
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but there is another potential explanation for why noa wasn't released. two israeli military officials told us the official wave of attackers at the music festival were heavily armed members of hamas' elite commando unit. in the hours that followed, thousands of other gazans, among them gangs and militants, also poured into israel. the men grabbing noa and avinatan don't appear to be armed and aren't wearing tactical gear. they appear to be part of the mob, not hamas fighters. in the video of noa in gaza, she appears to be in an ordinary house, what looks like two barefoot women walk past. it is different from hamas' official hostage videos, which are deliberately designed not to give clues about their location. the evidence suggests noa was not kidnapped by hamas. they may not have her or even
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know where she is. israel's government has said at least 20 hostages are dead, but noa's name does not appear on their official list. hamas has claimed that an unspecified number of hostages were killed by israeli strikes but they've never provided evidence. though, in that leaked recording, the freed hostage says those strikes put them in danger. >> reporter: the israeli military said it mistakenly killed three hostages in northern gaza, while more than 100 hostages remain in captivity. stories from those freed have only heightened fears. >> some were treated very badly, did not get medical attention, were neglected, were actually tortured. >> reporter: it's agony for the
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families of all the remaining hostages, each with their own worries about time running out. but for noa's family, time is especially short. noa's mom is dying. >> yes. >> reporter: you worry she might pass away and noa will still be inside? >> we don't know when she will be out, and we do know that noa's mom is on a ticking clock. i hope that this is the ending her mother deserves, to see her child, to hug her child, and get the chance to say good-bye. >> this is a notebook we made for noa. this is noa in hebrew. the idea is that when she will come back, we know maybe she will need her zone, her quiet, so she will have the words of
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us, of her friends, and get strong and know she's not alone. >> reporter: for communities here, time violently stopped. empty chairs. houses that aren't homes. life unable to restart without the missing on the far side of the fence. >> just heartbreaking. nbc's raf sanchez with that extraordinary reporting. his nbc news digital documentary is available at nbcnews.com and the nbc news youtube channel. do watch it. john, you know, we watch that, and, you know, you watch the suffering in gaza. you watch the suffering of the israeli families. it's just awful. what's the resolution? i mean, what's the chances of these all coming home? >> yeah. >> noa coming home. >> extraordinary reporting but
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such a grim, a grim moment with not a lot of hope on the future, it would appear. the reporting shows, again, why israel is so traumatized by what happened on october 7th. it's impacted a national identity, rocked it to its core. we're also, of course, seeing scenes of devastation in gaza. reporting this morning from "the times" about israeli telling gazans about areas of their enclave that are safe, but then using highly destructive weapons on that region. and further radicalizing, potentially, the population there. it is this terrible cycle, this catch-22, and it is hard to see the violence stopping. >> we hear the words "humanitarian crisis" a lot. i want to remind everybody when it comes to gaza, what's going on there, and the where shall -- pressure israel is under. the humanitarian crisis started october 7th with the raping of women, with the killing ofburni
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babies. that is the beginning of the humanitarian crisis. everything that's come out of it, the things that's happening to palestinians, innocent palestinian people is on hamas. it's not on israel. we have to remember that. and i've said this before and i've said it on this show, israel needs to defend themselves the same way we would defend ourselves. it's no different. and the thing that worries me, and you touched on this point, is there's 2.2 million gazans. obviously, there are so many innocent civilians. but what percentage of gazans, since we know since hamas has taken over in 2005 or 2008, it's been 15 years, and we know what's taught in schools. how many are radicalized at this point? to your point, the cycle, it's that now we have such a large percentage of the population that is radicalized now because that's what they've been taught. we have this terrible, terrible cycle now. it's scary. >> radicalized by what they've been taught and the events of
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the last few weeks, where people will say, my family is killed. what path do i go down now? >> a cycle. >> the white house frustration with prime minister netanyahu and how he is conducting this war, as well. vicious cycle indeed. donny deutsch, we appreciate you being here this morning. thank you, my friend. >> thank you. still ahead here on "morning joe," house speaker mike johnson sends a scathing letter to president biden blaming him for the situation at the southern border and urging him to take significant action. we'll show you how the administration is responding. and also ahead, democratic senator chris coons of delaware will join the conversation. we'll be right back.
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audio recording he says he heard which reportedly captured donald trump telling michigan officials not to certify the 2020 election results. we're going to dig into that explosive new reporting. plus, as trump continues to double down on his anti-immigrant rhetoric, a recent poll shows republican voters say that his racist language makes them more likely to vote for him. also ahead, america's mayor is broke. rudy giuliani filed for bankruptcy just days after being ordered to pay $146 million in his defamation case. and regrets. he's had a few. what republican presidential candidate ron desantis is saying is the one thing he wishes he could change about the gop primary. here's a hint. it's not anything that he did. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." i'm jonathan lemire along with
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the bbc's katty kay in for joe, mika, and willie, and with us we have former white house director of communications to president obama, our friend jennifer palmieri. she's also the co-host of the msnbc podcast "how to win 2024." you just saw him fill in on "way too early," sam stein is here, and sitting here at the table is nbc news correspondent vaughn hilliard. so katty, we've known for a while that donald trump tried to overturn the 2020 election results, but now we've got some more specific evidence it would appear. >> yeah. we may be inching towards the christmas holidays, john, but the news is not stopping, and we begin with another reported example of donald trump as you say trying to overturn that election loss while he was the president. this time it involves the certification process in michigan's most populous -- we're talking about michigan. the detroit news report that is on a mid-november 2020 phone
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call, trump pressured two republican members at the wayne county board of canvassers not to certify the results. which biden won by nearly 40 points. the conversations were captured in recordings reviewed by the detroit news. nbc has not heard or verified those recordings. during the phone call which included rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel, trump reportedly told monica palmer and william hartmann, they would look, quote, terrible if they signed the certify kag because palmer and hartmann originally voted against the results before switching to support during that same meeting. following that meeting and the call with trump, hartmann and palmer tried to rescind their votes in favor of certification saying they were pressured to do so. the detroit news reached out to
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spokespeople for the former president, the rnc chair mcdaniel, and hartmann and mcdaniel. none disputed a summary of that call. and william hartmann died in 2021. it sounds similar to georgia, right, but who knows what impact this will have, but it is another example, this recording of the kind of pressure that election officials were under to switch the 2020 election in favor of donald trump. >> yeah. michigan like georgia, a battleground state again next year, and vaughn hilliard, you know, we know -- we've known for a while that donald trump personally got involved in georgia, spoke to the secretary of state there, asked brad raffensperger to find the precise number of votes to put georgia in his column. that's what's so striking here, is it's trump himself with the
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power of the presidency behind him, potentially calling from the resolute desk in the oval office trying to lean on state officials to commit fraud. >> right. behind the scenes. don't forget he literally called arizona governor doug ducey as he was signing the certi certification, but he didn't answer the phone call. taking michigan here, you're talking about the wayne county board of canvassers. these are public servants if you will. these are folks that are nominated by their local political parties, then the local county clerk says, you'll be the one to ultimately certify the results, and it is under law their obligation to do so. you just heard it. those two republicans, they attempted to go back and rescind their certification of wayne county's results. this is the overwhelmingly democratic county that was responsible ultimately for giving joe biden the win after the phone call along with ronna
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mcdaniel. they tried to rescind their certification. this is at the crux of not only the 2020 election, but concerns about elections in the future because it's those local officials that folks wholly understand in political parties now are essential to the democratic process and being able to certify the election results. >> yeah. i'm with vaughn, you know, at first i was, like, this doesn't sound -- it sounds obviously like something donald trump would do because he did it before, and you step back and think about the severity and enormity of it, and the idea that the president -- the sitting president of the united states would call these two low-level officials who were doing a civic duty and the amount of pressure they probably felt vis-a-vis that phone call, and i guess, you know, i thought a lot about this, and i would love to get jen's take on this because she's actually served on a campaign, but if you were the biden campaign, would the idea this would happen ever cross your mind? would the idea you have to prepare for something like this
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ever cross your mind? and will this irrevocably change how campaigns operate going forward? will the biden campaign have to resort to expending resources doing, you know, the type of educational stuff for poll workers to make sure that they aren't influenced -- >> yeah. >> -- or they are immune to this type of pressure? >> yeah, you would. you would have to do that. starting in '16, we had pretty aggressive training -- legal training for volunteers, for people who were, you know, going to be at, you know, for poll workers, for people who were going to be at polling places, just -- not administering the vote, but helping being on standby in case voters had problems with the vote. you'll have to have a whole legal operation alongside the campaign that is thinking about the, you know, what happens once the voting stops.
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everything from counting to certifying and all the processes that we became familiar with in 2020, and, you know, trump failed with georgia. he failed with arizona when he appealed to higher level officials like the governor and the secretary of state, but with lower level, you know, lower level county officials or even party officials that are on these county boards. it worked. so what can we expect to happen in '24? you expect a lot of this. so it is going to have to be -- it's been a big priority for campaigns for a while to build this kind of -- to have this kind of operation to, like, to look at legally what's happening post-vote, but it will be a bigger deal in '24. >> key difference next year is of course, that trump this time won't have the power of the presidency behind him, but certainly democratic staffers and the biden re-election team are preparing for all sorts of this. we want to get an update on a big story we have been tracking the last couple of days
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and vaughn, you have been following the timing of former president trump's legal team's expected appeal of the colorado supreme court decision that removed the ex-president from the 2024 primary ballot. vaughn, what's the latest? >> right. timing is everything. you're looking at these primaries beginning. iowa is first, and then new hampshire one week later on january 23rd, and if the supreme court were to affirm the colorado supreme court's decision and disqualify donald trump from the ballot in colorado, that had a far-reaching impact, likely removing him from the ballot in all 50 states and of course, the concern of the republican party is the potential nullification as they're trying to select their presidential levity. i'm told his team does, in fact, intend to file the appeal and take their chances, take this to the u.s. supreme court. we expect them to not file that appeal until after christmas. so sometime most likely next week, but before january 4th which is the requirement under the colorado supreme court's
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ruling for them to appeal if, in fact, donald trump were to stay on the ballot as part of the initial order. >> president biden hasn't weighed in on the merits of the case, but we heard from him this week, katty saying it was clear that donald trump inspired an insurrection, but there's been a lot of debate about the political fallout here with many democrats worrying this will just make trump all the stronger. >> yeah, and of course, donald trump fund-raising off the back of it, right? i'm sure your email box is full from email campaigns of the trump campaign saying, please give us money because this is going on and the latest one, another one they're trying to raise mount of. donald trump, legal issues aside, is continuing to use dehumanizing language about migrants. it's rhetoric that has historians drawing comparisons to we use when talking about adolf hitler. this is what he posted on social media just last night. >> illegal immigration is poisoning the blood of our
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nation. they're coming from prisons, from mental institutions from all over the world. without borders and fair elections, you don't have a country. make america great again. we must win in 2024. or we will not have a nation. thank you. >> so it's been pointed out to donald trump where this comes from, and what the rhetoric has hints of, and yet he keeps on using it. so why does he keep saying things like that? well, maybe because recent polling shows that those anti-immigrant comments are helping him more than they're hurting him, specifically with republicans in iowa. in the latest nbc news des moines register, media.com poll which was conducted early they are month, 42% of likely iowa republican caucus-goers said trump's poisoning the blood remark made them more likely to support him. that's compared to 28% who said those comments made them less likely to caucus for trump and
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29% who said it had no bearing on their support for him. i mean, jen, i guess the question for democrats here is how do they counter this? because just pointing out that this has echoes of adolf hitler, and i've just come from spending a few days in vienna, and people were talking about these remarks in that city where you can imagine the residence is so vibrant. what do democrats do to counter that polling? >> it's more people within the republican party, right? >> right. >> it's not even -- i look that the and i'm, like, it's 42% of republicans. it's not a majority of republicans and it's certainly not a majority of americans, and i think -- this is -- i think we all know that this is what the media struggles with, and what i think the biden white house tries to calibrate is how hard do you go after defining trump and how early because people
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become -- because -- the things that he says is so extreme, comparisons, you know, how long can you -- how long is your runway that you continue to -- that people don't start to tune out because they've heard time and time again this is the most extreme thing ever. this is the most racist thing ever. this has -- this has -- this is calling back to phrases from hitler, and so it's, like, it's hard to calibrate that, but i think what they have decided to -- that they need to do, and, you know, you've seen the president do this in fundraisers and when the campaign really gets under way soon, you know, soon because this campaign is going to start soon because trump was going to wrap up the nomination early, they're going to be that tough on him because they're, you know, the president's words are going to have resonance even when you
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keep hearing over and over again just how dangerous trump is. it's really the only option you have. >> sam, it's usually a rule of politics that if you have to say things like, i haven't read "mein kampf," that means you're probably losing. trump has had to issue that denial in the last couple of day, but his poll numbers haven't slipped. that was -- jen just touched upon how the biden team is going to approach this, and we have been riding on that as well, that they're going to call it out as they see it. what do you think other republicans might do? those who, you know, reliably stand up to trump. we've heard from mitch mcconnell this week who condemned these remarks, but what about the republican primary field who is at least in theory trying to beat donald trump? >> we've seen it, right? nikki haley, ron desantis, sort of tepid pushback i would say. saying it's language they would not have used, inappropriate perhaps, but nothing along the lines of comparing trump to adolf hitler which the biden
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campaign has done. the biden campaign put together a graphic with trump's image and hitler's side by side and comparing the quotes. that's not a fairly -- that's a highly aggressive campaign attack from the biden campaign, which they say is justified. the historians are pointing out that this is fascist authoritative rhetoric -- authoritarian rhetoric i should say, but yeah. the republicans have not gone do that length, and i think part of the reason is obvious. the polling as we know noted supports -- it supports what trump is saying. i find the more conversation to be the one that jen had which is, like, where does the biden campaign bring this? one of the things i have been trying to grapple with and figure out is, you know, are they worried at all because -- by fact that we've been through four years of trump and came out on the other end, and here we are, maybe the voting public doesn't take these threats of, you know, fascism and the loss
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of democracy all that seriously? they've lived through it and survived it and came out on the other side, you know, maybe when they hear the biden campaign say, hey. this guy's evoking adolf hitler, echoing adolf hitler, they say, yeah. we dealt with trump for four years. we know who he is, and it didn't ruin us. so why are you saying that now? i do wonder if that's in the back of the biden campaign's mind. coming up, from ukraine to the gaza strip, nbc's richard engel has new reporting on how those two wars have divided so much of the world. the details are straight ahead here on "morning joe." details ad here on "morning joe." move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well. we need to rethink... next level moments, need the next level network. [speaker continues in the background] the network with 24/7 built-in security. chip? at&t business.
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hello to the people of auckland, new zealand. i have been there. i'm a little teapot, short and stout. >> happy birthday, molly. >> here's my handle. here's my spout. >> you are a big fan of and dedicated to make america great
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again. >> beautiful part of the world. any time you want to invite me back, invite me. i'll be there. >> it'll never get better than the teapot one, but those are just some of the short videos that rudy giuliani, the man once known as america's mayor has been making on cameo for the last two years in an effort to make a little extra income. yesterday giuliani filed for bankruptcy. after he was ordered to immediately pay nearly $150 million defamation lawsuit judgment to those two former election workers in the state of georgia. the judge lifted the typical 30-day waiting period over concerns that giuliani might try to hide his assets, which in the filing giuliani lists as being between $1 million and $10 million. with his current debt, more than $150 million. the former new york city mayor has other lawsuits piling against him with up to
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$500 million in total estimated liabilities. a spokesperson released a statement that reads in part, this. the filing should be a surprise to no one. no person could have reasonablebly believed that mayor rudy giuliani would be able to pay such a high punitive amount. chapter 11 will afford mayor giuliani the opportunity and time to pursue an appeal while providing transparency for his finances. a statement for the election workers called the filing unsurprising adding, quote, it will not succeed in discharging mr. giuliani's debt to ruby freeman and shaye moss. so jen palmieri, no surprise here that giuliani would say, i don't have the money to pay these two workers, and i think there are fears as to just how much those workers will receive. >> right. >> i can't help but see this and think about the incredible swift and steep fall from grace from a man who was such a hero. >> oh, my god.
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>> we would be hard-pressed to find a comparable slide anywhere in american history. >> yeah. i can't -- i certainly -- i don't. one doesn't come to mind, and i think that if -- if you don't have deep exposure to the sort of trump and maga world, you might not appreciate how much the grift props -- helps to prop up former president trump and his whole operation, you know? there are millions and millions of americans that are true believers and really committed to trump and believe what he says. he says what i think, and this is what i hear all the time when i'm on the road, and then there are people like giuliani and others that, you know, help prop up this whole operation because they are making money off of it, and it really is a big reason why -- why the whole machine continues, but that -- i mean the teapot, wow. i mean --
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>> oh my god. >> sam said it in the 5:00 a.m. hour. you can't make it up, and i can't add to that. >> it's so humiliating. it's so humiliating. how the mighty have fallen. i hope none of us are ever in a position we are so desperate for money that we have to go on television to people in new zealand and say, i'm a teapot, short and stout. anyway -- >> i would do it. >> sam would. >> sam. >> no shame. it's a good song. >> okay. none of us except for sam stein would do such a thing. okay. let's move on, and it's kind of related. no labels, the organization working on a third party presidential unity ticket is floating the idea of forming a coalition government after the 2024 election if no candidate reaches the 270 electoral college votes necessary to win the president -- i mean, what are you hearing? is this even remotely plausible? >> everyone work with us here. america, work with us.
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this is under the situation that no candidate next november gets 270 electoral college votes. now no labels is that organization that has flirted with joe manchin potentially being a presidential candidate. they're trying to build what would be a bipartisan unity ticket with a democrat or republican on the president mvp ticket. well, they think that they've got a real shot. they haven't announced their candidates, but plan to this spring. they think they have a real shot to win some states around the country, and if no candidate gets 270 electoral college votes next november, well, what happens? this is where from my conversations with the group including tom davis who is a former republican congressman from virginia as well as a co-founder of no labels, we were talking yesterday, and he told me they foresee a situation where they would build what he's calling a coalition government where they at the electoral college vote count on december 17, 2024, begin negotiating with
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either the republican party or the democratic party using unbound electors, faithless electors. there are 33 states that require electors to vote for the candidate that the -- that the -- their state's population voted for, but then there are 17 states that don't have those requirements. so they say, okay. no labels, we have a few electors that either donald trump or joe biden will need. what can you give us in return? tom davis told me that they believe that either policy concessions are on the line or even potentially the vp slot or cabinet positions or in a situation that he provided me was, okay. commit to us that you'll build the border wall or not run up a deficit. we will give you our electors. this is a complex situation, and then if i may, the next step that they're also actively talking about would be the scenario in which the u.s. house selects who the president is. let's say the electoral college vote sticks there. it would come down to state
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delegations. each state delegation in the u.s. house has one vote, and a candidate would need 26 state delegations to side with them. again, that is where the negotiations begin here, and this is very complex. the last time it happened was literally 200 years ago when andrew jackson actually won the plurality of the popular vote around the country, but then when it was left to the u.s. house to decide, the state delegation sided with john quincy adams, and that's how he became the president of the united states. this is complex, but what everybody needs to know is there is a group that has tens of millions of dollars in their pockets and they believe that they have a shot to really throw this presidential election in 2024 into a complex state of being and potentially pull off what would be a gigantic, chaotic, wild conclusion come january, 2025. >> that doesn't begin to describe it. the republicans control the house, a slim margin, but we
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would note that joe manchin, rumored to be a no labels possibility is having a high-profile event in new hampshire in the coming weeks under the umbrella of another organization, his own sort of superpac. give us your read on this. i know most democrats that i speak to are in pure panic about third party candidates including no labels believing that no matter what the scenario, no matter how complicated the planet, at the end of the day, one of these candidates hurts biden more than trump. >> i don't know. the way vaughn laid it out seems pretty simple. >> a, b, c. done. >> straight forward. they can't even figure out how to figure out trade policy for ukraine aid right now. the idea that you would trade a border wall for a presidential ticket is absurd, obviously. it's not going to happen, but, you know, i think the larger story is the kind of macro story we're getting which is that this group which does have, you know,
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actually we don't really know how much they have because they don't reveal their finances, but they'll raise $70 million or something like that. they're still around. they're still, you know, holding out the threat of, you know, having a third party on the ballot in a number of different states where they do have ballot access. they've said they don't want to play spoiler and they recognize that trump's a threat, and others they're talking about, a disputed election where they will go to the house where a unity ticket will somehow through, like, policy concessions will win, and it's out there, and i think it gets to how chaotic this election will be, and yeah. jonathan, you're right. the biden people, what they want is a one-on-one contrast with donald trump. that's what they want. anything that disrupts that, whether it's some bizarre no labels fantasy or rfk jr. or cornell west, it's not good for
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them, and they want to simplify this, and it doesn't simplify it. coming up, senator chris coons is standing by. we'll talk to him about the bipartisan issue that has him joining forces with ted cruz of all people. the delaware democrat is our guest, straight ahead on "morning joe." orning joe." just the three of us girls. i never thought twice about feeding her kibble. but about two years ago, i realized she was overweight. she was always out of breath. that's when i decided to introduce the farmer's dog to her diet. it's just so fresh that she literally gets bubbles in her mouth. now she's a lot more active, she's able to join us on our adventures. and we're all able to do things as a family. ♪ get started at betterforthem.com
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to the right side. looks that way. throws that way. caught. napua, touchdown. >> matthew stafford getting the scoring started last night against the new orleans saints with that touchdown pass to nakua. it was the first for stafford who threw for 328 yards last night. while he had nine catches for a career high 164 yards. the rams rode that strong standard to a 30-22 win over the saints. l.a.'s fifth win in six games
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puts the team above .500 for the first time since week one. they took a significant step forward in their push for a playoff berth. to the nba now. the detroit pistons are on the cusp of a dubious record. this has flown under the radar for a while, but the pistons last night fell to the utah jazz 119-111, extending the team's losing streak to 25 straight games. that's one short of the single-season record. calls from the crowd to sell the team could be heard as the pistons dropped to a woeful 2-26 on the season. and a major league baseball superteam appears to be taking shape in los angeles. the dodgers are reportedly in agreement with the star japanese pitcher yamamoto on a 12-year, $325 million contract. it marks the biggest starting pitcher contract ever for a
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player who has never thrown an mlb pitch. it comes in slightly ahead of gerrit cole's contract with the yankees and let's remember. the dodgers also signed shohei ohtani to a ten-year $700 million deal. that means the dodgers' free agent spending has surpassed $1 billion. sam stein, that is a lot of money. here is for you and i the good news. the yankees didn't get them. that said, yamamoto is, you know, we've never seen him pitch in the major leagues, but scouts say this guy has top-of-the-line, ace-type stuff, and the writing was on the wall. when ohtani's deal was announced and it allowed the dodgers to keep spending, the next target was his friend and countryman, yamamoto. that team will be loaded. >> i'm sorry. i'm a bit sassy today. i don't mean to be, but when you host "way too early," you get up early and it causes this stuff.
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>> tell me about it. >> we all know how this is going to end, right? the dodgers are going to win, like, 114 games. yamamoto's going to have a great year. they'll get to the playoffs. he'll give up five runs in the first inning of game one. ohtani will end the series 3 for 23 or something like that, and they'll be bounced because that's just how it is with the dodgers. i'm with you. the great news here is the yankees didn't get the guy, but let's just be up front about it. we only view this stuff through the prism of the red sox. this is a disastrous off season. full throttle, this is, like, one-tenth throttle. i don't know what to say about ownership. is there a pulse in fenway? what is going on? i'm having, like, early morning panic attacks about our rotation right now. coming up, david ignatius says that unless israel confronts one hard fact, there can be no hope for stability in the middle east. "the washington post" columnist joins us to explain just what that is straight ahead on "morning joe." that is straight "morning joe."
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♪♪ millions of people around the world this year were impacted by extreme weather events. nbc's al roker takes a look back at some of the biggest climate stories of 2023. >> reporter: 2023, the hottest year ever on earth. >> oh my god. >> reporter: a year of climate and weather extremes. in the u.s., the number of billion dollar disasters tallied 25, more than any other year. new year's rang in with thousands of records, shattering across europe. at least eight countries had their warmest january day ever. back home, things were no better. a siege of atmospheric rivers lashed the west coast through march. destructive flash floods swept through parts of california, burying the sierra, under 60 feet of snow, and brought a
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as new york city suffocated, southern cities broiled under relentless days of dangerous heat. at the end of july, phoenix hitting a record 31 straight days of 100 degrees or hotter. the previous record, just 18 days. miami's extreme heat and tropical humidity resulted in 46 days registering a heat index over 100 degrees. more than a dozen u.s. cities recording their hottest summer on record. the tropics lit up in late august when hurricane idalia, struck north florida as a high-end category 3 with winds of 125 miles per hour. fueled by record warm sea surface temperatures, the fourth most active in history. by november, the brutal heat plaguing the u.s. was now broiling the southern hemisphere. the heat index in rio de
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janeiro, the highest ever recorded there. for the third year in a row, deadly tornadoes ripped through the south just days before christmas. >> oh my god. >> reporter: 2023 experiencing so many extreme weather events, we couldn't include them all here. climate change-driven weather leaving its mark all around the globe. >> we know it's happening, but you have to see those pictures to get a reminder and you have to wonder why it's so hard to take action. thank you to nbc's al roker for bringing that important report to us and that important reminder with those images. let's bring in nbc news medical contributor, dr. vin gupta. we know that this is having a huge amount of impact on infrastructure, people's homes, cities, farmers for example. what's the impact of climate change on all of us in terms of our health? >> well, katty, good morning. i'm glad you're bringing this up and platforming this. this is the issue of our time.
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climt change is the biggest threat multiplier on human health in our times, and what we're knowing now is this over this last five years have been enormous in terms of the data we have accrued, the ways in which the heat is impacting us beyond just heatstroke. it's having impacts on increasing aging, impacting our cognition, increasing frankly irritability and crime. it's allowing us to tell a better story, that's going to be able to reach more people. that's why they had a health day, on december 3rd. we're talking about climate to allow us to reach more people. we're talking about indoor air quality in a way, of course, prompted by the pandemic, but now everybody is thinking about, wow. gosh, do i have air filters? not just because there might be another respiratory pandemic down the road, but there are issues across the country and not just on the west coast. now we're having these conversations and we're talking about this in a meaningful way, and we're hoping this changes
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that aspect. >> i don't see any chance, doctor. do you? of this improving any time soon. it doesn't seem there is much political will to do very much to bring temperatures down in a way that would stop these extreme events. you mentioned air filters. what can we do when we know there's a wildfire in our area and see these extreme floods. are there things people can be doing to protect themselves? >> well, i think this can be most tangible, that you can probably take the most preventive action on poor air quality. that's going to be the thing that will impact all zip codes across the country. flash floods, probably more regional and geographic depending where you are at. air quality issues, what can you do? especially in the dead of winter, hvac companies and they have less to do, and if you can afford to upgrade your vent -- ventilation, increase your filters, and that will allow you to have better preparation for the summer seasons. definitely invest in n95s if you
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live in a wildfire-prone area, and that's as much new york city as it is san francisco. those are some things you can do here, and i highly recommend ire filters, especially for your living room and bedroom, especially if you have young kiddos because as we're learning short-term exposure to poor air quality, just five days can increase your risk of asthma, especially childhood asthma. if there's one thing you can do, it's invest in filters for your indoor room or bedroom. >> let's switch gears. the holidays are almost here. today, one of the busiest travel days of the year. people will be all over the country and the globe gathering with loved ones. give us an update if you will of sort of the illnesses that people should be aware of, and what we can be doing to mitigate the spread of disease, the flu, and also the new covid variant that seems to be popping up. >> well, that's right, jonathan. i'm here in a hospital studying right now and we're seeing a
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steady uptick of covid, flu, and to some degree, rsv not just amongst children, but adults. what can you do to keep yourself safe? if you are medically higher risk, underlying condition, if you are over 60, if you're on prescriptions, make sure you have refills. 30% of americans don't have refills on hand. make sure you're traveling, you have refills for your inhalers and taking more medications. make sure you have those on hand. if you do not have durable access to health care, that's at least 20% of america, often individuals into southeastern united states, that's where we see less access to health insurance, less access to a primary care physician. go to test2treat.org. this is a government-funded program. you can get free telehealth services, free treatment for covid-19 or flu should you need it. a lot of it is about knowing your own body and making sure medications are on hand. something people don't recognize here is that early recognition that something is wrong, shortness of breath, coughing, high fevers, that doesn't mean
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that you just want to treat with tylenol and get some bedrest here. there's this notion here that it will just go away. you're battling the common cold. know it's important to know what you are having, what you're diagnosis may be because early diagnosis paired with an early treatment can keep you away frm somebody like me if you're higher risk. last thing i'll say, for expectant moms, have a conversation with your obstetrician about this vaccine that is meant for those you did it and your child is less than eight months of age, there is a monoclonal antibody you can get. >> nbc news dr. van gupta, thank you. time for a quick look at the morning papers. in connecticut, the record
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number of people experiencing homelessness in the state and across the country, it's estimated that more than 1,000 people are currently living without shelter in the state. advocates point out the true number is most likely higher. the tsa is preparing for the holiday, expecting to screen over 2 million passengers on the busiest day. tsa advises passengers to be patient and double check prohibited packing items to streamline the security process. and in iowa, the gazette reports that christmas tree farmers are feeling the effects of climate change too. warmer soil tends to breed fungal disease that can infect the trees which is what happened to evergreen farms in washington
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without reaching any sort of border deal, the louisiana republican sent a scathing letter to the president yesterday blaming him for the complicated situation playing out at the border. a white house spokesperson responded to the speaker's letter saying house republicans voted against president biden's request to hire more border agents. a record number of migrants crossed into the united states from mexico for a third consecutive day. >> reporter: this morning, the crisis at the border reaching a breaking point. customs and border protection says it's a serious challenge to keep pace with the record surge of migrants arriving daily at
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the southern border. some ports of entry remain shut down. >> border agents are doing everything they can to take care to have situation, but they're completely overwhelmed and it's getting worse. >> reporter: president biden speaking on the phone with mexico's president lopez obrador about the crisis. >> the two leaders agreed that additional enforcement actions are urgently needed. >> reporter: here in eagle pass, texas, the wait to be posted can take hours or even days. this group tells me they have court at appointments that are months, and in some cases over a year, away in 2025. for now they are waiting at an overcrowded center.
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>> there's a thousand people in that shelter, so they're going to go try to find some more food because food is scarce in there. >> reporter: a plane with roughly a hundred migrants arriving at o'hare airport. >> you have a governor in texas that could can less about those families and dropping them off in chicago and anywhere and everywhere is wicked. >> reporter: the white house saying abbott is not interested in solutions. he only seeks to use people as political pawns. jen palmieri is with us. let's talk about the politics of the border. poll after poll suggests something needs to be done
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there. white house officials say this is an issue with which they have struggled since the first day of the administration. now the number is getting higher as an election year approaches. >> but speaker johnson sending a letter on congress's way out of time when they refused to fund more border agents is the height of disingenuousness. what are their biggest gripes? democrats taking executive action. it's very rich for johnson to do that. they are going to need more funding and legislative solutions here. there is an actual problem at the border. it's also a political problem. then the sort of crux that is very hard for democrats to get
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around is republicans make it a political issue and republicans also prevent action from happening on it from congress and, therefore, they perpetuate the political issue. i know you have a senator coming up to talk about getting a deal in the short term. the administration doesn't need mike johnson to tell them to take executive action. they will do whatever they need to do to get that situation under control, but ultimately you still need legislation. >> let's bring in democratic member of the foreign relations committee senator chris coons of delaware. the senate was in town for part of this week trying to hammer out this deal to increase border security funding in exchange for aid going to israel and ukraine.
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it seemed like some momentum was made, but no deal struck. give us the latest. >> i am hopeful when we return in the first week of january that the small and engaged group of bipartisan negotiators who also have active participation from the administration will have language for us to take up and vote on. i'll remind you it was now many weeks ago that president biden asked the senate to take up and pass a supplemental funding bill that included $14 billion for the border to hire more border patrol agents, to install more screening facilities to help screen out fentanyl coming through our borders. it is a key part of the pathway forward. republicans and democrats are engaged in negotiating some changes in policy that would complement that investment. but all the way back in january
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president biden in his state of the union address appealed to all of congress to take up and pass both increased border security funding and legislation to strengthen the security at our border. we so far have not found that compromise. i'm optimistic compromise will be finished by the time we get back in about two weeks. >> senate democrats have been concerned about a deal that would give the executive branch more power over the border for fear what donald trump would do with that were he to be elected again. is that almost a short-sided approach where it would therefore reduce the chances of another trump term? >> i think that's right. i think this is an issue that's
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resonating all over our country. one thing i often hear from folks is that they want us to close the border, but the united states and mexico are now very robust trading partners. mexico is actually our biggest trading partner in the world. i went to the border to el paso and yuma with a bipartisan group of senators including senators langford and murphy, sinema and cornyn. it's amazing how busy it is. that's why president biden has asked for us to invest more from securing the border. it's at these critical points of entry that we have to insist on a legal, safe and humane system that allows those with actual credible claims for asylum to
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come into our country, solving that problem while still having robust trade is a significant challenge that requires all of us to put down the tools of partisanship and focus on lasting solutions. >> senator, you're working with a bipartisan group. are the republican senators you're working with able to find like-minded house republicans to ensure there is some republican support? >> i'm not one of the small group of senators actually at the table negotiating language now, but i am in regular touch with them and support this effort. they are consulting with house republicans and democrats. there's a lot of concern expressed by folks in both caucuses because the text hasn't
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been broadly shared yet. they are very complex and difficult to draft. this is going to end up being something that will lose votes both in the republican and democratic caucuses in the senate, but it's got to have enough democratic support as it passes the senate for there to be robust democratic support in the house. there isn't enough support in the house for them to pass even their extreme vision hr2. a compromise is going to have to have both democratic and republican support. if i could just remind you, this is all in very sharp contrast to former president trump, who is becoming increasingly extreme in his rhetoric about immigration and in his proposals to restore the muslim ban, to use the military to screen and arrest and deport from the center of our country people believed to be undocumented. his proposals are getting more
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extreme as we are closing in on a sustainable bipartisan solution. israel's military says it's expanding operations in the center of gaza, but some experts are questioning whether israel's offensive is actually succeeding, saying the progress is temporary and there are no signs that hamas is on the verge of a strategic defeat. israel has so far failed to achieve several of its key goals, including, killing hamas' senior leaders. the group's infrastructure has been hit, but not wiped out. the united states is pushing israel to scale back its military operation to save civilian lives. the idf says the ground offensive needs to continue for several more months in order to fulfill its goals.
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joining us is david ignatius. talk to us about what you're learning from u.s. officials as to the growing frustration in washington as to how israel is conducting this war. >> we're approaching an inflection point in this war in the view of both u.s. officials and israelis as well. this high-intensity conflict has been costly and is going to have to move in the new year into something different. there is now said to be a u.n. resolution that the u.s. is prepared to support that would call for a temporary ceasefire lasting some weeks perhaps in which humanitarian aid could go into gaza.
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i want to ask senator coons, who's on the foreign relations committee, senator, do you think it's time for president biden, your friend, to be tougher with israeli prime minister netanyahu not simply for the sake of the united states' interests, but for israel's interests as well? >> yes. david, as you well know and as the viewers know, the cost of human life in gaza and the suffering of the palestinian people in gaza is horrific and the humanitarian circumstances there are unacceptably hard. we need to remind folks, if hamas were to lay down arms and release the hostages, the fighting would stop the next day. it is important to remind people what began all of this was a
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horrific attack on innocent civilians in israel. when i was in israel last as part of a bipartisan group of senators there to meet with prime minister netanyahu and the war cabinet and other leaders and to meet with hostage families, a point i made to the prime minister was that he had a choice between going into gaza and doing roughly what we did in fallujah or mosul and carrying out a costly campaign on the ground with no clear end in sight and risk increasing the number of extremists and losing support globally over the human suffering. or to engage in a brief, intense campaign to knock down hamas, and then step back and renew
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negotiations with the saudi kingdom and others in the region to reach a deal with hamas with the active partnership with the saudis and jordanians and to bring peace to the region. i imagine that's not something prime minister netanyahu is likely to accept, but our president has been pressing for more humanitarian relief with some success in getting the release of hostages with some success a few weeks ago when there was a pause and for a reduction in settler violence in the west bank. it is time for us to be more clear and forceful with our israeli partners about the need to change to a counter terrorism strategy rather than a massive ground campaign lasting many more months. >> more than 150 ships carrying
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about $105 billion worth of cargo have been diverted away from the red sea amid attacks by houthi rebels. there have been 37 incidents between november 19th and december 18th. in response, the united states launched an international task force to protect commercial ships traveling through the waterway. i know you're working on this issue. give us an update as to what you're trying to accomplish. >> i introduced a bipartisan resolution just before we left the senate this week in order to say to our administration and the world that they have strong bipartisan support for taking forceful reaction against the houthis and to ensure freedom of navigation in the red sea. i think the administration is responding to repeated
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provocations by iran and proxies in the area. after the october 7th attacks, president biden ordered the deployment of two aircraft carrier battle groups to the region. the houthis are an iranian proxy. they've been shooting missiles and drones at israel and other countries in the region for a long time. they're making clear it is their intention to interrupt commercial traffic in the red sea. this matters to our viewers because it will increase the price of oil and increase hunger in the region. this requires decisive action. there are 20 countries willing to necessary action against the houthis. >> you're as close to president
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biden as anybody. just curious. this has been a tough year for president biden, for the country, for the world as a whole. just curious, how is the president looking at what's happened, at the way forward? what do you hear from the white house? >> last saturday we had a party at the white house for delawareans. it was great to see him in a wonderful mood and smiling. he wears the weight of the world on his shoulders. he is responsible for leading our nation, in responding to the challenges in the indo-pacific and putin's aggression in ukraine. he's mobilized more than 50 countries and responded forcefully to the attack of hamas on israel, all while
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managing to navigate a restoration of our economy. in our last quarter we had nearly 5% growth. our stock market hit an all-time high. we have the lowest unemployment for the longest period in 50 years. yet, your average american is not happy, isn't feeling it yet. i know that this weighs on our president, and i know it's good for him to occasionally have time with family or here in delaware to reflect and pray and think about the year ahead. he says he's more optimistic about our future now than he's ever been. but that's going to require all of us willing to pull together to work across the aisle to get more done in the coming year. >> senator chris coons of the great state of delaware, thank
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you. he is also a national cochair of president biden's reelection campaign. thank you, and happy holidays. >> thank you. joining us now, senior director at the national security council, michael allen. thanks for joining us. let's turn to the other hot war right now, ukraine. ukraine, like israel, has not received any funding from the united states because a deal was not struck in congress, at least not yet. give us your assessment there as to where things stand in what seems to be a fairly frozen conflict, but one in which putin suggests he's got the momentum. >> it's been a hard year for ukraine. i wouldn't quite call it a stalemate. they have made some tactical gains, but they haven't been gigantic strategic advances like
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we saw year before last. what ukraine needs in addition to just the basics of war is they need aircraft. they need some type of air support. i went to ukraine in october. they pointed out that the united states rarely fights without superior air power, that they didn't have it whatsoever against the russians. so i think they need it going forward. in 2024 they're going to need more troops. i saw zelenskyy has put out a new call for reserves and others to join the ukrainian military. so it was a tough year. i hope we get the funding early in january and they can begin to turn things around in the first quarter of 2024. >> mike, this is david ignatius. you and i were together on that trip to ukraine.
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we both heard the ukrainians ukrainians' exhaustion as the war drags on. do you think they can hold on for another year without funding, or are they stuck if we back off? >> david, i was struck so much that they were exhausted, but they were also determined. they felt like if they were to retreat, they would be passing along a dispute to their children and grandchildren. i think it would be very, very tough for them to hang on in sort of a pitched battle against the russians without u.s. support. i thought they were very frank with us. i don't think they like being in this sort of subordinate position. they want to build up their defense industrial base as quickly as possible. no one wants to be overly dependent on any one country.
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but i think without us there, i'm sorry to say i think they're going to be in a heap of trouble, which is so much more why we need to get a border deal done and get this funding moving as quickly as possible. >> we have senator coons saying he has hope this could has been in the senate in early 2024. michael allen, thank you for joining us this morning. we learned more this week about president biden's meeting with chinese leader xi jinping in california a few weeks ago. nbc news reports that xi bluntly told president biden during that san francisco summit that beijing will reunify taiwan with mainland china. that's according to three current and former u.s. officials who spoke to nbc news. xi also told biden that china's
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preference would be to take taiwan peacefully and said that the timing has not yet been decided. meanwhile, in an episode released from conan o'brien's podcast, president biden spoke about his relationship with the chinese leader and the discusons they've had. >> china is a competitor. have a relationship with xi jinping. i've spent more time with him than any u.s. lder has. he's a very tough, smart guy, bute' got enormous problems. when i put together the quad, india, japan, australia and the united states, he said you're trying to surround me. i said we're just not going to let you change the dynamic of world rules. he said i didn't write them. i said well, we're not going to
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change them. so many parts are moving that there's an opportunity to realign the world in a way that is less likely to result in war and suffering. >> an ominous warning from xi jinping we've now learned about saying that china is going to reunify with taiwan and that while a peaceful reunification would be the preference, he didn't seem to rule out otherwise. >> we've known that xi jinping has hoped to reunify taiwan and set a date of 2027 aspirationally. he wanted the chinese military to be ready to go by then in such an action. interestingly at the same time that you were reporting xi having told this to president biden during their summit meeting, our intelligence analysts are said to be
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concluding that a chinese assault on taiwan is not likely soon. the heat has been turned down on that issue in terms of people's expectations. i think the broader question is the one that president biden was talking about in this conversation with conan o'brien. is the u.s. dialogue broadening across different cabinet agencies going to lead to real guardrails, real checks against the kind of unexpected conflict that could really put the world in a much more dangerous place, or is it just talk? are the chinese again biding their time until they get stronger and are able to achieve their goals like seizing control of taiwan?
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we just don't know. the administration has made a big bet on the idea that dialogue is possible and will produce at least limited results. that's one of the big foreign policy developments of this year. the chinese have brokered a deal. we'll watch the china space with interest. i don't think our viewers should expect a chinese assault across the taiwan strait next year. i don't think many analysts see that in the cards. >> we can add china to the list of nations carefully watching the american elections in the year ahead. the "washington post's" david ig nation, thank you, my friend. coming up next, from bank
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a pretty shot there of the sun coming up over los angeles, home of the newly restocked los angeles dodgers. now, some argue that the women saved the u.s. economy this year, between barbie taking over the summer box office to beyonce and taylor swift drawing millions to their concert tours across the country. brian cheung is looking back on that and other top stories in
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the business world from throughout 2023. >> it was the year of picket lines, bank blowups and barbies. the economy steered clear of a recession, but the biggest theme of all, worker power. across the country over half a million teachers, pharmacists, factory workers and more went on strike. tv and movie production halted when the writers guild first walked out in may. in the fall members of the united auto workers forced stoppages, further empowered by president biden's visit to the picket line. after months of shutdown, who came out better on the other side? the hollywood standstill cost$6 billion in lost wages and business impacts.
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pay bumps were significant with actors' wages up 7%, writers up 12.5%. >> inflation is easing. >> inflation is slowly coming down. >> still, high inflation showed signs of improving, dropping from 6% to 3% by year's end. gas, down 34 cents a gallon. prices on eggs over a buck cheaper per dozen. median rent is down 2%. hopefully affordability will improve next year. in 2023, it was high drama on wall street when silicon valley bank collapsed in march, becoming the biggest collapse since the 2008 financial crisis overshadowed it weeks later when first republic failed as well, exposing bad bets made by poor
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managers. and sam bankman-fried was found guilty on charges of fraud and money laundering, now facing up to 110 years in prison. it was the ladies who may have kept the economy upbeat. taylor swift's era's tour injected up to $5 billion in local economies. queen bey grossed over half a billion dollars on her tour. of course, barbie raked in $1.4 billion, the highest grossing film of the year, all part of an eventful 2023 in the world of business. >> let's now bring in andrew
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ross sorkin. andrew, let's get you on two things. first of all, your thoughts on the year that was 2023, but also do we think investors are going to get this santa claus rally to close out the year? >> first of all, brian did an extraordinary job and hit all of the high points of the year. the only one i was going to add to this that i think was a theme of the year that's super important was the backlash on companies that were trying, if you will, to do good. it's really shifted sort of the balance of power in terms of how companies think about what it means to do good, the politicization of it all. it's not something that shows up in the stock price of a company, but i think it's showed up in
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society in a way that folks maybe haven't focused enough on. >> looking ahead to next year, what are people on wall street worried about? are they anticipating more strikes, more concerns about bank solvency? what's going to happen to inflation? >> i think it's a recession story. when you have somebody like jay powell and the federal reserve come out and say bluntly we may actually cut rates, what does that say about where the economy is going? we keep talking on the program about is bad news good news. it's good news if inflation comes down. but at some point it could come down too much. on the santa claus rally piece
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of it though, technically from a handicapping perspective, 75% of the time from today to the end of the year the stock market moves up on average about 1.5%. we've already had a santa claus rally of sorts. you have a lot of investors trying to push things up to capture those gains for the year for the benefit of both their investors and for their own compensation. >> for their own compensation should not be overlooked, to be sure. andrew ross sorkin, thank you. >> merry christmas, thank you. here on "morning joe," another historic free agent deal for the los angeles dodgers. that and a look at some of the other stories making front pages across the country when we come back. ages across the country when we come back that rate is increasing as more and more businesses move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack!
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joining us, frank, always great to see you. there are so many holiday shows to get to. we should start with the rockettes. >> the 90th year and it never gets old. i'm taking my family there tomorrow night. it's so exciting. there are more drones this year. there is a living nativity. there is ice skating. and of course the world famous rockettes front and center. >> check out all the windows along 5th avenue as you head to radio city. tell us about cirque du soleil. >> it's a new spin on the classic tale 'twas the night before christmas. it's playing at the theater at
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msg. it's acrobatics, juggling, skating. it's a new spin on the holiday tale. that is playing through the end of december. >> it's hard to think about the holidays without the nutcracker. >> that tchaikovsky score is so beautiful. it's been playing since 1954. more than 150 musicians and dancers are part of this production. it is truly fantastic. >> these are the shows that we see year in and year out. a jazz show and sandra bernhardt. >> sandra bernhardt plays the show from december 26th through new year's eve. she takes us on a fun spin, a
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throwback, and provides her amazing commentary about this crazy world we're living in today. birdland jazz club in midtown, they're doing a swinging christmas. i think this is their 13th year. it's so much fun. i believe they have a show on christmas night. >> tell us about new year's. >> let's go back to 54 below. lorna luft is doing an early new year's eve show providing tales of old hollywood and the broadway scene. then for the second show it's going to be a broadway favorite.
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he is doing the late night show. i think that includes a special menu with a champagne toast. then over at birdland, marilyn may, who is 95 years young, is performing on new year's eve. i just saw her recently at carnegie hall. she sounds amazing. i think she holds the record for the most appearances on "the tonight show" with johnny carson. >> thank you very much. happy holidays. you're looking now at live pictures inside the atlanta international airport, one of the world's busiest airports where the christmas travel holiday rush may have reached its peak. more than 90,000 passengers are expected to travel through that
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♪♪ welcome back, and on this friday before christmas, we wanted to take just a moment to celebrate the incredibly hardworking team behind the scenes who make "morning joe" and "way too early" possible. ♪♪
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