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very good to beac you for another hour. i'm alex witt in for katy tur. we're continuing our breaking news coverage of a legal setback for special counsel jack smith in his election interference investigation into the former president. the supreme court has just put out a single line order statement denying smith's request to immediately settle trump's presidential immunity claims, meaning the issue now heads to the court of appeals in d.c. we do have the date for those oral arguments. so what this decision all means for timing and how quickly the supreme court could take up the case once that court rules, there's a lot to get into. we're going to dive in right now joining us, justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, and msnbc legal analyst, and former assistant d.a. with the manhattan district attorney's office, catherine

christian. ken, first off, were we expecting a sidestep like this? because that's essentially what it is. it's a punt, if you will, from the supreme court, and then what happens now? >> look, this is a significant blow to jack smith, alex, because what he said was that the public interest is best served by having the supreme court short circuit this so that this issue of immunity can be decided and this case can go forward or not depending on how the supreme court rules, and smith made the point that this is the first time in american history that a former president has been charged for actions in office, and he said not just any actions, actions that were designed to keep him in power against the democratic process. and so he was hoping that the supreme court would see it his way. they did not. it doesn't mean on the merits they won't see it his way, and it doesn't necessarily mean a huge delay. it does appear to mean some delay in the march trial date that is currently set for the federal election trial in d.c., but as you said, we have oral

arguments scheduled for january 9th in the court of appeals in d.c. they're taking it on an expedited basis. the question becomes, when does the supreme court take it up, and do they expedite it as well. they can take many months, if they go on their normal schedule, it raises significant delays, and if they decide to hear it quickly, and they decide that president trump does not enjoy -- former president trump did not enjoy immunity from prosecution, or he wasn't acting as president, they don't have to get to the question, then it's a hiccup and smith can go forward and the case may get to trial before the election. >> i'm curious your reaction when you first heard the news? >> i was first shocked, you know what, i'm not shocked because the d.c. court of appeals has expedited. the oral arguments are on january 9th.

the supreme court probably said let them do this. whoever loses is going to appeal, ask for a certiorari for the supreme court. they're going to get it anyway, and there's no way this trial is going to happen on march 4th, but it may happen the first week of may. first of all, you saw how quickly the supreme court came up with this decision. they didn't wait until after the holidays, they immediate came up. it is feasible that if the d.c. circuit expedites it, and comes up with their decision, then the supreme court will grant certiorari, and they will also decide it quickly. they are aware that the elephant in the room, the november 2024 is the presidential election, which jack smith never said explicitly that that was the public interest and why it should be resolved. he felt he couldn't because then it would seem political. we know that's the reason why he wants this expedited. >> msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin is joining us as well right now. lisa, again, your reaction to

this. you heard catherine saying she was shocked and not shocked. how about you. >> there were two arguments that team trump made in their view, that were probably persuasive to the court. other than judge chutkan, no federal court or other court has ever ruled on the issue of whether a former or sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and therefore team trump argued in its brief, the supreme court would benefit from having at least one more opinion, three more judges to carefully consider the issues and add to the body of law that would be available for them to call upon, even in united states v. nixon in 1974, which led to the turning over of the watergate tapes, there was some history there, the case of aaron burr in the 1800s and a decision involving president nixon, prior to the watergate tapes itself that dealt with the issue that was squarely before the court in that case. that was probably persuasive, and the second reaction is very

similar to catherines, and we talk a lot on this network about people who say the quiet part out loud, and jack smith had the opposite problem. he didn't say what seems to many of us the glaringly loud part even in quiet. he kept trying to say the public has an interest in the speedy trial of the former president but he couldn't quite explain in his briefs why the expe -- review made so much of a difference. if former president trump were to be elected in november, most of us that this trial will never happen because if and when he takes office again, he will ensure that the case is dismissed. he will call upon existing department of justice policy that prohibits the prosecution of a sitting president, and none of us will ever see this trial. jack smith, as catherine noted wisely never said that and in the absence of saying that, he couldn't quite convince the

justices, perhaps, that there was an exit that justified them hearing the case in lieu of the normal appellate process, particularly whereas here the d.c. circuit has agreed to expedite it. >> ken, the fact that the supreme court hasn't had to rule on something parallel to this is unprecedented. that's because the conditions for them having to take this up are, in fact, unprecedented, so i'm curious how you think this might affect americans' waning confidence in the u.s. supreme court right now, as we know yes, it is a legal body, trying not to take on something politically speaking. there are a lot of americans losing their confidence in the efficacy, honesty, whatever adjective you might want to put towards it. how might this affect that? how do people interpret it? >> it's a great question. it could affect it profoundly. it was an interesting point that

lisa made about the desire the supreme court may have to have an appellate argument. the law builds on itself. this will be an argument that lawyers will be citing cases and legal theories in this novel context here, and then the supreme court will have the benefit of that, as well as the oral arguments in the cases brought before the supreme court justices. in that way, they'll have a greater breadth of case law and legal theories to chew on in this momentous and important matter. two questions, was donald trump acting as the president when he tried to overturn the election, and if he was, should he be immune from prosecution because presidents are immune in their official acts. never been decided. you're absolutely right. look, the bottom line is, the supreme court has been increasingly viewed as a partisan institution in part because of the way that justices have been selected, and the bitter partisan fights as they go through the confirmation battles until the senate.

going back to bush v. gore when the supreme court decided the election, that was a bitter pill for a lot of americans to swallow. if it turns out that the supreme court plays a decisive role in whether this case can go forward before donald trump faces the voters, that will really be a perilous moment for the high court. it's probably one that the justices would like to avoid, alex. >> lisa, i'm told that you have relative to a "new york times" article from last week, you have some insight into maybe why it was such a terse answer, as to whether or not the supreme court was going to take this up. that one single line that has no attribution as to which way either of the justices were to have voted. talk about that. what are you thinking? >> i wouldn't call it insight. i'll call it speculation. in the reporting last week, the part that stuck out most to me was the fact that the justices agreed to hear the dobbs case which overturned roe v. wade, but when they made that

agreement or compact amongst themselves, they also agreed they would pretend as if the case had been held over for several months. never indicating to the public that, in fact, they had agreed to hear the case, because they understood that had they revealed that in the january right after justice barrett joined the court that everyone would think that it smelled bad. justice barrett as described in the reporting was the one who was the most sensitive to that perception. one question i have is whether the justices now have a deal amongst themselves. we will review this case. we have to review this case. it's not going to be now. we all believe we would benefit from the d.c. circuit. when that comes back to us, irrespective of who the winner and loser are, we will review the case then. and that may be why we don't see any visible signs of disagreement, much less a sign of who voted on what side right now today. >> catherine, donald trump's

lawyers had argued in court papers that smith had given no compelling reason as to why the supreme court should step in immediately ahead of this appeal's court. do you think that is what they base their decision on? they looked at that argument and that could have been the undercurrent of all of this? >> well, speculation, again, with the -- i think as i said before, he didn't give a compelling reason. we know what it was. it was about the november 2024, so that was also the basis, but it also is what ken said, you know, why, you know, the court of appeals has expedited this, there's going to be full briefing and argument, let that happen. and then as lisa said, they're going to sweep in. this is going to supreme court no matter what, and i think when justices want to expedite, they will expedite. there's no way this trial is going to start in march. i think it could start 60 days later, 90 days later because as i said, the supreme court also

is aware of the pinkel infant in the room, which is the november 2024 election. >> doesn't that suggest because of the intersection we have with law and politics, at least the perception of that that this decision from the justices not to immediately jump into the political fire storm, does that indicate to you how they could potentially act going forward. might we see similar strategies with other trump issues that land in their laps, and they essentially say for fear of being interpreted as politically partisan, we are going to punt and not weigh in. >> no, i don't think that's -- because the normal procedural way isn't far to go for the court of appeals first, then to the supreme court. the colorado case, for instance, is procedural going to the supreme court. but it's -- well, i don't want to be a tea reader, they are going to decide this decision before the lekts.

-- election. the question is how close to the election date will it be. it's not going to happen in october. i think it will be sooner. they are aware of the calendar. >> so then, ken, last question to you, quickly, is this all potentially just a procedural issue that they said to catherine's point, didn't do it exactly the way we would expect. we're just going to stay out of this one. >> it very well could be. we're going to find out. not stay out of it, but let the normal process of the appeals court, could be exactly what's going on here. let's remember that despite this being a 6-3 conservative majority supreme court, recent "new york times" analysis found that the court ruled against donald trump and the trump administration more often than any president since fdr. so it's not really the case that these justices that were appointed by trump are huge fans of trump or inclined to rule in trump's favor on every issue. they have ruled against him plenty of times. we're going to find out really

by the pace with which they take up this case after it goes to the appeals court how serious they are about taking on this matter head on. >> all right. well, it was startling news to us. i thank all three getting us through it. lisa rubin, catherine, thank you: what new recordings of donald trump pressuring a michigan election official might mean for the case against him. lt mean for the case against him.

the detroit news has obtained recordings of a phone call from days after the 2020 election in which donald trump personally pressures two michigan republicans not to certify the results in wayne county. now, in these recordings which have not been verified or heard by nbc news, donald trump tells two county board canvassers, here's the quote, we have got to fight for our country. we can't let these people take

our country away from us. and then he also warns that those two particular canvassers would look, quote, terrible if they now certified the results after initially refused toog -- to do so, saying the investigators got their hands on these recordings, what could they prove about the former president's intent when it came to overturning his loss, how much of a gift could they be for jack smith's election interference case, the same one that the supreme court just agreed to fast track amid trump's claims of presidential immunity. also involved in the phone call reportedly, rnc chairwoman, ronna mcdaniel, how much trouble could she potentially be in after promising those two officials legal representation if they agreed not to certify. joining us now, state politics reporter for the detroit news, craig mauer. craig broke this story. welcome, and i want to reiterate that nbc news has not heard the

recordings, but you have. walk us through the audio. >> well, the audio is reiterate telling. we all knew in november 2020, there was a very heated wayne county board of canvassers meeting, and after that meeting there was a phone call featuring donald trump, ronna mcdaniel, and two republican members of ayne county board of canvassers. until now we didn't know what was said on the phone calls. monica palmer said donald trump thanked them for their service and wanted to make sure they were safe. the recordings that we reviewed tell a different story, however, they show that this call was heavily focused on talking about the 2020 election, talking about the certification votes that the canvassers had just taken, and what their next move would be. donald trump and ronna mcdaniel were focused on telling them not to sign the certification

document. >> okay. and we understand that the call, again, thanks to your reporting, the call that you're referencing that they took from donald trump, it may have been one that they took, just the two of them, was it inside a car outside the canvassing or is that wrong? tell me how that call happened? >> so the call happened like this. william hartman and monica palmer left the canvassing meeting. there was a crowd of people around them they entered a vehicle in the parking lot to take this call from donald trump and ronna mcdaniel. there were a group of people who got into the car with william hartman and monica palmer. so you had a number of people, a large number of people that were able to hear this call. >> okay. which may be in part how it got to you. but let me ask you about these canvassers.wayne county unfortunately we know that william hartman passed away in 2021. so now this leaves monica

palmer. has there been anything that indicates initially they're opposing the certification, and then what changed or is it just that they didn't sign the certification? >> during the meeting, they initially voted against certification. then during the same meeting, after a number of public comments and a lot of attention, the two republican canvassers changed course, they voted in favor of certification, along with demanding an audit of election in wayne county to take place. after that, after all of this, all of this spotlight is when they walked out of the meeting and they were pressured not to sign this statement of the votes. the statement of the votes, which we call the certification is key because that is what is sent, then, to the state board of canvassers to continue this process of solidifying the election result in began. they were able, the people who administered the election in wayne county to send that

certification on without their signatures and the process went on. there's still a lot of concerns about what will happen if this occurs again in the future, these canvassing boards are getting a lot more attention than they ever have in the past. >> before i let you go, do you have one word to describe your reaction when you heard that call from donald trump? >> i can't describe it in one word, sorry. >> stunned. >> i was not surprised because, you know, i assumed that there were more details provided, more things said to these canvassers, but i was stunned to know that the recordings existed, i guess i would say. >> craig mauger, thank you so much for joining us. next hour, michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson will be joining chris hayes with more on the surfaced recording. meantime, what we are learning about an american hostage killed while in captivity in gaza. >> and he was wrongfully

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when the kerem shalom crossing reopened for the first time since the israel-hamas war began, it was a welcome move to address a deteriorating humanitarian crisis in gaza. the world health organization estimates that 93% of the population in gaza is reaching

crisis level of hunger with one in four households facing catastrophic conditions, including extreme lack of food and starvation. now, nbc news has exclusively learned how the biden administration persuaded israel to allow more aid into the palestinian enclave. and joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent monica alba. monica, welcome, so tell us, what did the administration do and how long into the conflict was it before the biden administration started pressing for a second crossing into gaza for aid? >> reporter: well, alex, this was an important step and one that the biden administration raised early on in conversations between president biden and israeli prime minister netanyahu, but first they knew they were going to have to get over logistical hurdles. the only trucks cleared for entry in the initial days after the october 7th terror attacks went through the rafah border crossing with egypt. israel had said they didn't want

to allow any kind of opening of their border with gaza directly for any kind of aid to enter the strip through there in the initial days after the war, so that is something that the president, the secretary of state, the national security adviser, all of whom went to the region in those critical weeks pushed for in in-person meetings. it was really just about a week ago when they were able to convince the israeli government to open the kerem shalom border crossing, not just for inspections, trucks were allowed to go through some of the process that they need to clear in order to then go through rafah on the egyptian side. now they were going to allow trucks to enter through there, effectively doubling the amount of crossings for aid to actually get in. as you point out, alex, in those statistics that are staggering, it is nowhere near enough in terms of the actual aid getting to the palestinian people, and that's something that biden top aides conceded to me.

they want to see those numbers go up. they did feel they were able to pressure the israeli government in this way for something that at the outset seemed nearly impossible, and now that some trucks are getting in, they of course would like to see more of that happen, and they're continuing to push for that and you saw a bit of that in the u.n. resolution vote earlier today as a big priority for the biden administration, and of course getting humanitarian assistance into gaza is something that they are pushing for every single day. on a parallel track to trying to secure another humanitarian pause in the fighting between israel and hamas so that hopefully more hostages could potentially be released if a new deal is reached, and it comes on the heels of this news today, this grim reality that the families shared of a 73-year-old man, an israeli-american citizen who has died believed in hamas's custody while being held there in gaza. and it is also believed that his wife is still being held in gaza

by hamas or other militant groups. the u.s. is not confirming this news at this time but the family did release a statement, of course as the biden administration continues to push to see if they can get those seven or eight still unaccounted for americans believed to be held in gaza out safe and reunited with their families at some point, like some of the other americans who have been able to come home in past deals, alex. >> it's all so sobering, monica, thank you very much. joining us now, senior fellow in the american state craft program at the carnegie endowment for international peace, aaron david miller. welcome to you. what does the amount of pressure that the biden administration been putting on israeli leadership to make these conversations for civilians. what does that signal to you? >> i think it signals that the notion that the administration should come down really hard on israel from the beginning of the

crisis was probably a flawed strategy and the notion that if you keep the israelis close, you will have the kind of leverage and pressure that is required at critical moments. a lot of people think that's a flawed strategy, and to some degree, in terms of trying to push the israelis to change the character of their ground campaign in the south, it may well prove to be. on the issue of aide and hostages, there would have been no kerem shalom, and no hostages released except for the con restaurant pressure from the president himself and his principle foreign policy aide. so it's a fine balance that the president is trying to navigate between pushing too hard. and in the minds of many, not pushing the israelis hard enough. >> so this un resolution for more aid in gaza that was adopted today, aaron, after four

delays and heavy involvement in the actual wording, what kind of pressure does that add to address the civilian cost of the war. do you think israel will be a willing partner to increase aid into gaza? >> i think that remains to be seen. the u.n. security council resolution is important because it to some degree minimizes america's isolation and absence of credibility. i don't think frankly this resolution is going to lead to a dramatic surge of humanitarian in gaza. that's going to depend on three things, one, israel's agenda, two, most important, the battlefield dynamic. you can surge all the aid you want, but talking about southern gaza as a free fire zone, without corridors to administer the aid or security foru.n. and other international organizations to be on the ground doing t the aid is not going to get in, and finally,

egyptian-israeli tensions which i think are rising as a consequence of disagreements over who should inspect, and how long the inspections should take. i'm glad the resolution passed. i don't think we're on the cusp of a major transformation in assistance to gaza because of it. >> let me ask you in this, maybe a simple yes or no answer, can the biden administration apply any similar pressure when it comes to israel's military strategy? >> i think if by january there's no fundamental change in the israeli operations in southern gaza, i think that the administration is going to be tougher and we may well enter a more difficult path, shall we say, in the u.s.-israeli relationship. >> aaron david miller, another sobering conversation for which i thank you. still ahead, he spent half a century in prison for a crime he didn't commit. 50 years. what glenn simmons plans to do

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a man who was wrongfully imprisoned and at one point sentenced to death in oklahoma is now free. this is 71-year-old glynn simmons, seen here with his lawyer and loved ones, reading an order from an oklahoma judge declaring his innocence, a declaration he has been waiting for for five decades. simmons spent a total of 48

years, one month, 18 days behind bars for a crime he did not commit. joining us now, glynn simmons who's with his cousin cecilia hawthorne, as well as his attorney, joseph norwood, and i welcome all of you here. glynn, it's extraordinary, you never wavered. you never stopped declaring your innocence, now a judge is declaring it on the record. does this feel like justice to you? >> yes, it feels exactly like it was supposed to. it feels like freedom. >> it's freedom you've had just since july, which is a mere drop in the bucket to the amount of time of your life that was spent behind bars wrongly convicted. so how do you even process this? how do you put this into

perspective? >> one day at a time. >> it's not instant, you know, take it one day at a time, and make constant adjustments to what's happening. you can't really put it in perspective. i'm still overwhelmed by it, not by the freedom but for how long it took for it to come, you know. >> absolutely. and i'm sure having cecilia and loved ones by your side, at least helps you get through it on a day by day basis. i'm curious, joe, how did you get here? what was the process for getting simmons a new evidence hearing and eventually his release that happened earlier this year because i know you just got the case back in 2019. what did you do differently? >> i proved his innocence. that hadn't been done yet. no one had fully brought the evidence that was really readily available into court to show that glynn is innocent, and that was really the difference between why we were able to do this this time, and previously

he hadn't had the justice he deserves. >> so, joe, you say that this information, the evidence, was readily available. it did not come to light. but i'm sure you've heard that the edmond police department stands by their case. they say that glynn committed the crime. what's your message to them when you say you have evidence that obviously a judge agreed with? >> i don't think they've looked at anything. i think that's a clueless spokesperson rattling off nonsense, frankly. the evidence is overwhelming that glynn didn't do that. edmond can put their statements out all they want, but again, it's nonsense. >> joe, do you think you're going to go after compensation for wrongful imprisonment? i understand state law has a limit for that, what, $175,000? >> we are going to pursue

compensation. but unfortunately any compensation is uncertain, and it's in the future if it does come. for now, glynn has to pay for his bills, and right now he is living off his go fund me, and i would encourage people to in these holiday times consider helping glynn out, go to his go fund me and do what they can. hopefully compensation does come for him. but it's going to be down the road, and in the meantime, glynn needs to be able to survive. >> and when i think about compensation, i mean, when i first read about this story, couldn't even get my head around how you would be aptly compensated for spending almost 50 years behind bars. i mean, what does compensation, what does fairness look like to you now? >>. >> as i often say, what's been

done can't be undone. there can be accountability and there will be accountability. that's what it's all about right now for me. they can't pay for what they done. it was a deliberate act. it wasn't a mistake, you know. so you can't pay for this. you can't pay for what's been done, but i can be compensated so i can live the rest of my life, you know, in peace. >> that's all we ask for. >> people would have to admire you for that. there would be some that would not take that approach. can i ask you, cecilia, glynn, what your plans are for christmas, how you're going to celebrate. >> whatever he wants to do. >> going to enjoy the holidays. i usually ask him what he wants, we don't like to overwhelm glynn a whole lot. take it one day at a time. thanksgiving was lovely. very emotional, but i'm sure

christmas will be too. whatever glynn wants to do. >> as well as it should be given everything you have endured. glynn simmons, thank you for your time. the best of luck to you, our heartfelt wishes for a peaceful future. that would be a wonderful gift for you this holiday season, and joseph norwood, well done, you must feel pretty good about yourself. thank you so much both of you, all three of you actually. coming up next, more on the legal setback for jack smith and his election interference investigation into the former president, what the supreme court's decision to deny smith's request to immediately settle trump's immunity claims means for the case. choose acid prevention. choose nexium.

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we're going to get more now on that legal set back for special counsel jack smith and the supreme court's surprise decision just about an hour and change ago to sidestep donald trump's presidential immunity claims in the election interference case at least for now. joining us right now, nbc news senior legal correspondent and anchor of "saturday today" laura jarrett. first question to you out of the gate, when you heard this, what went through your mind? >> there goes the trial date. the march trial date had been, i think, already sort of in a tenuous position given everything that they need to accomplish before that date, and the whole reason that the special counsel had asked the supreme court to hear this issue now is that he didn't want any

roadblocks later on. he had won on the issue of immunity. that's how we got here. he won at the trial court level in front of judge chutkan. usually it goes to the trial court, then it goes to the d.c. circuit, and then it goes to the supreme court. he saw where this was going. >> the run around. >> he saw that the former president would want to try to eventually get this all the way to the supreme court. fine, let's leapfrog that, go straight to the supreme court. the high court has the last word on this stuff. let's skip all of that. there's nothing for the d.c. circuit to do. let's go straight to the supreme court, and they said, no, not right now. >> that means that by that description, they probably ruled, though we have no clue because the statement they made only said we're not going to take this up. there was no attribution as to who voted how or anything like that. >> that's not that unusual. we should point that out. what is unusual, though, is what jack smith asked for, the way he

styled it to skip over the appellate process i just talked, requires fiver justices to agree to hear a petition before a judgment. that is unlike a regular petition. usually when someone goes to the supreme court they only need four justices to agree to hear it. it's a higher burden in this case, and that might have played, there may simply not have been enough votes to hear this case right now. again, it doesn't mean they're not going it hear it eventually. it just means they're not going to hear it right now. >> so essentially, this was just a procedural punt, is that how you see it? >> no, because the practical up shot the practical up shot of it is enormous. jack smith wanted today have a trial date well in advance of the november election and now it's not clear that this trial happens well in advance of the election or if at all. >> it could happen maybe summer. is that sort of a -- maybe may that would be normal. >> i think even that's ambitious because think of all the steps. people don't realize just all of the various legal entanglements

that sort of the normal process requires, right? so now it'll go to the d.c. circuit in january. then if mr. trump loses in front of the d.c. circuit, then he gets to ask the full d.c. circuit. it's called going en banc. he'll get to go in front of them. if he loses there, then he gets to the go to supreme court. all of this takes months and months and months and tons of paper is pushed. it's just i think even summer is a really ambitious schedule at this point. >> wow. and so if this does not go to trial before summer, that in itself, has political consequences to it. so this decision while maybe not wanting to be interpreted politically by the supreme court because it is a legal body, the ramifications of it are political. >> it's a win. this to me is a case at the heart really that would matter a lot to voters, right? fitness for office.

this is about the attempt to try and the conspiracy as alleged to subvert the last election. of all the cases he faces you would think this is the one that would sort of matter the most to the heart of what people are going to be going to the ballot box for in november. so to not have this one decided at least potentially -- we're not there yet -- but to potentially not have this one decided so people can cast their votes, i think that's the win the supreme court has just given. >> and then of course, again, it's all speculation -- >> informed speculation. >> informed speculation. but if donald trump were to be re-elected, then he would have the power to dismiss cases. >> and that was the thing jack smith wasn't willing to say outright but was all over the legal briefs in this case. he kept saying it's of the utmost importance, the gravity is so high here, we center to this decided expeditiously. he used every word in the book without saying i will be fired, this case won't exist if the

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just four years after a fire ripped through france's notre

dame cathedral, restorations almost complete. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons got a remarkable inside look at the years long restoration. >> reporter: the inferno back in april 2019 was devastating. tearing through the interior of the church, consuming 800 years of history in minutes. four years onto see how far the restoration has come going 300 feet straight up to a tiny exposed platform with spectacular views of paris. >> good evening. >> reporter: meet philip overseeing this mammoth project. so this is the spire that went crashing down? >> viewers watched it all around the world. >> oh, my gosh it fell inside the church. >> it's a very important movement when now the spire is rebuilt. >> reporter: and this is the golden rooster.

the original rooster weather vane was thought lost but miraculously survived buried in the ash. and this new rooster was blessed and placed gently on its perch. it contains holy relics, pieces of what is said to be the crown of thorns. >> it was a very, very emotional moment and symbolic moment. >> reporter: it's a phoenix from the ashes. >> exactly. >> reporter: or a rooster from the ashes. now felipe and i descend into the nave, the heart of notre dame. >> there was a big hole in the ceiling. >> reporter: now it's being rebuilt better with advanced fire protection while expert carpenters use medieval tools slotting roof timbers together like a giant puzzle. >> a lot of people have given a lot for this including many people donatic from the u.s. $30 million. >> reporter: $30 million.

donations that are helping to reveal more of the cathedral's wonders, the vivid colors of priceless masterpieces brought back to life. ancient wood and stone cleaned. and these statues rescued from the fire have been lovingly revived. new gargoyles are being sculpted and will soon take their place high on the walls of this, the most famous cathedral in the world. >> they hope to have it open for christmas next year. that's it for me. i'll see you tomorrow noon to 2:00 p.m. eastern. a very special "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. good afternoon from new york. i'm chris hayes. thank you for joining us for a special two-hour 4:00 p.m. edition of "all in." it's a little under an hour ago the supreme court rejected a proposal from