without. >> but there is also gratitude. to investigators who never gave up, to three strangers on a dock play armchair detective. and, most of, all to a best friend. >> i definitely feel blessed to have known her for the amount of time i did. i cannot imagine what she would've accomplished by now. >> whatever it was, amite feels a certain it would have been like the wooden herself, as vibrant as the northern sky. as unforgettable as a southern night. >> that's all for this edition of dateline, i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. now outside in the parking lot is where this call from ron mcdaniel and donald trump was received. and they instructed these two individuals, and they obstructed them you certified

this, but if you don't sign this certification. if you do sign the certification you will never be getting the audit that you are present for. >> that was a reporter from the detroit knows speaking about an audio recording he said he heard which a reporter had captured donald trump telling michigan officials not to sort of the 2020 election results. we're gonna dig into the explosive new reporting. plus, as trump continues to double down on his anti immigrant rhetoric, a recent poll shows republican voters saying that his racist language makes him more likely to vote for him. also ahead? america's mayor is broke. rudy giuliani filed for bankruptcy just days after being ordered to pay 100 and $46 million in his defamation case. and, regrets. he has had a few. what's presidential candidate, ron desantis is saying is the

one thing that he wishes he could change about the gop primary. here is a hint. it is not anything that he did. good morning, welcome to morning joe. i am jonathan lemire along with the bbc's katty kay inferred joe, micah, and willie. with us we have a former white house director of communications, our friend jennifer palmieri. she's also the host of the nbc podcast how to win 2024. you just saw white house political, stem fine is here. and joining me, nbc nose correspondent vaughn. kathy, we need for a while that donald trump had tried to overturn the results. but now we have some specific evidence it would appear. >> yes. towards the christmas holidays but the news is not stopping. we begin with another report for example, donald trump

trying to overturn that election while he was president. this time it involves the certification process in michigan's most popular camp. we're not talking about georgia, we're talking about michigan. the detroit news reports that i mid remember 2020 phone call, trump pressured to republican candidates of the way in forward, telling them not to sign the 2020 results. which biden won by almost 40 points. the conversations were captured and reviewed by the detroit knows. nbc news has not heard or verify the recordings. during the phone call, which included rnc chair woman, ronna mcdaniel. trump reportedly told monica paer and william hartman they would look terrible, quote, if they signed the certification because in an earlier canvassing meeting, paul and hartman originally voted against approving the county's results, before switching to the words of support through

the same meeting. following the meeting and the call with trump, palmer and hartman tried to rescind their votes in favor of certification saying that they were pressured to do so. the detroit news reached out to spokespeople for the former president. mcdaniel and canvas are monica palmer disputed the call. the other candidate, palmer, died in 2021. it sounds similar to georgia, you have to find me those votes. who knows what impact this will have, but there is this reporting that election officials were under pressure to switch the election in favor of donald trump? >> michigan, like georgia, a battle ground state again. next year. and bond, we've known for a while, donald trump purposely

got involved with georgia. telling raffensperger to find the exact number of votes for georgia. he's calm. so that's what's striking here. the power of the presidency behind him, potentially calling for the resolute death in the oval office trying to lean on state officials to commit fraud. >> right, behind the scenes. he called doocy as he was signing the certification he got busy, turnovers phone, and did not take the phone call. he also had his phone and speaker rusty bauer. you're talking about the wayne county board of canvassers, these are public servants if you will. these are folks that are nominated by their political parties, and the local county clerks, as, hagar gonna be the 12 ultimately certified the results. it's their obligation to do, so you just heard it. those republicans attempted to go back and re-sent their

certification of wayne county's results. this is the overwhelmingly democratic county responsible for giving joe biden the win. after donald trump's phone call, along with rnc chairman ron mcdaniel, they tried to reset and their certification. this is at the crux of not only the 2020 election, but concerns about elections in the future. because it's those local officials that folks wholly understand, and political parties now are essential to the democratic process. and being able to certify their election results. >> i am with don. efforts that was like, this sounds obviously like something that donald trump will do. because they've done it before. and then you step out, and you look at the severity and the normandy of it. and the idea that the president, the sitting president of the united states would call these two, low level officials that were doing this duty. the amount of pressure that they probably felt vis-à-vis that phone call. and i thought a lot about this,

and i would like to get jim's take on this because she has actually served on the campaign. but you are the biden campaign. the idea that this would happen, would it ever crossed your mind? did they know that you would ever have to prepare for something like this and cross your mind? will this irrevocably change how campaigns operate going forward? in 2024, will the dnc, will the biden campaign have to resort to expanding resources? doing the type of educational stuff of poll workers. to make sure that they aren't influence, or that they are immune to this type of pressure? >> reporter: you would have to do that. i think starting in 60, progressive training, legal training for volunteers. for people who are going to be, from poll workers, people who are going to be at polling places not administering the vote but helping keep standby,

in case voters have trouble with the votes. you have to have the whole legal operation, alongside the campaign that is thinking about what happens once it stops. everything from county, the certifying, to all the processes that we became familiar with in 2020 and, trump filled with georgia, he filled with arizona when he built higher level officials like the governor and the secretary of state but with lower level county officials, or even party officials are part of these county boards it worked. so what can we expect to happen in 24 weeks after a lot of this? so it's going to have to be it's been a big priority of the campaign for a while to have this kind of operation to look at legally what is happening, post vote, but it will be a bigger deal in 24. >> key difference next year is

that trump, this time, won't have the power behind him. certainly democratic staffers, and the biden reelection team are preparing for all sorts of trick cannery. we want to turn out to a big story that we're tracking the last couple of days. we've been filing the timing of president trump's legal team expected appeal of the colorado supreme court decision that removed the ex president from the 2024 primary ballot. bond, what is the latest? >> timing is everything here. you're looking at all these primaries. i was going first on january 15th, new hampshire one week later on jenner 23rd. if the supreme court word to confirm the supreme court's decision, and disqualify donald trump from colorado, that had a far-reaching impact. the donald in all 50 states. of course the concern of the republican party's potential nullification of republican letter votes as they're trying to select the presidential nominee. i have been told that his team does intend to file the appeal,

and take their chances, take this to the u.s. supreme court. we expect them to not file that appeal until after christmas, so sometime most likely next week, but before january 4th which is the requirement under the colorado supreme court's ruling for them to appeal if in fact donald trump or to stay on the ballot as part of the state owned initial order. >> president biden hasn't weighed in on the merits of the case, but we know this week trump stated that he inspired an insurrection. but there has been fallout when many democrats, thinking that this will make him stronger. >> of course, donald trump fundraising off the back of it. i'm sure your email box is full of trump campaign saying please give us money because of all of this going out. this latest one, just another one, they're trying to raise money out of. donald trump legal issues aside, it's continuing to using the humanizing rhetoric about migrants. records that have historians drawn comparisons to statements

were used by ad of hitler. here's what he said on one of 17 videos posted on social media last night. >> illegal immigration is poisoning the blood of our nation. they're coming from prison, from mental institutions, from all over the world. without borders, and federal actions, you don't have a country. make america great again. we must win in 2024. or we will not have a nation, thank you. >> reporter: it's been pointed out to donald trump what this comes from, and what the rhetoric hits on. but he keeps on using it. why does he keep saying things like that? well, maybe because recent polling shows that those anti-immigrant comments are helping him more than they are hurting him. specifically with republicans in iowa. the latest nbc news des moines register, media.com paul, which was conducted earlier this month. 42% of likely iowa report book in caucus goers says trump's

poisoning the blood remark makes them more likely to support him. that's compared to 28% that said they make him less likely to caucus for trump. and 29% that said it had no bearing of their support for him. okay, i think the question for democrats here is how do they counter this? because, just pointing out that this has echoes of adolf hitler, i have just come from spending a few days and veranda, and people were talking about this conflicts in that city. where you can imagine, the residents are so vibrant. what do democrats do to tackle and counting that polling that shows that more people will vote for him because of those comments? >> it's more people within the republican party. and it's not, i mean a look at that, and i'm like it's 42% of republicans. that's not a majority of republicans. and that certainly not a majority of americans. and i think, we all know that

this is what the media struggles with. when you think of the biden white house and how it tries to calibrate is how hard do you go after defining trump? and how early. because people become, because the things that he says is so extreme in comparison, how long is your runway that you can get to, people don't start to turn out because they heard time and time again, this is the most extremist thing other, this is the most racist thing other. this is calling back the thing to phrases from hitler. so it's hard to calibrate that but i think what they have decided to do, they need to do. then you see the president do this and fund-raisers, and when the campaign really gets underway, soon, you know soon because this campaign is going to start soon because trump is going to probably not gonna be

on the foundation probably. they're gonna be that tough on him because the presidents words are gonna have residents even when appearing over and over again is just how dangerous trump is. it's the only option you have. >> sam, it's really a rule of politics that if you have eight things like i haven't read mein kampf, it appears you are losing. but not this time around. trump has had to issue -- in the coming days, but his points have been shifted. on the biden team, how they proposed, and what do they think other republicans might do to stand up with trump for mitch mcconnell this week. saying he condemns these kind of remarks. but what about the republican primary field, those who are at least in theory trying to beat donald trump? >> we've seen, it mickey halle,

rhonda scientist pushback. language that may not have been, used but all lines of comparing trump to adolf hitler. which the biden campaign has done. the biden campaign really put together a graphic with -- and side by side confirming the quotes. that's not a fairly, it's a highly oppressive campaign attack. it's just fighting but the stories are pointing out that it's fascist. authoritarian rhetoric i should say. but yeah republicans have not gone to that length, i think part of the reason is obvious and the polling as we noted supports in the complex republican primary, supports what trump is saying. i find the most interesting conversation where jen had. where does the biden campaign bring this? one of the things i've been trying to grapple with an trip

figure out is as they are worried about that by the fact that we've been through 40 years of trump, and came out on the other and then here we are that maybe the voting public doesn't take these threats fascism in the walks of democracy. seriously, they lived through, it they came, they went on the other side. i'm here at the campaign a since he dealt with a feeler. they dealt with trump for 12 years and they didn't ruin yeah. i do wonder vincent that's at the back of the voters. mind >> yeah, really good job in downplayed of what happened on january 6th. for example, there is a fear that the states in the trump presidency may not be quite known to all the voters. we're gonna come back in just one minute and bring you fawn hills new reporting of a possibility of a coalition government!

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♪♪ hello to the people from auckland, new zealand. i've been there! my teapot, short and stout. happy birthday molly, i understand your birthday is coming up. here is my handle, here is my spout. you are a big fan of, and dedicated to make america great again. beautiful part of the world. anytime you want to invite me back invite me, i will be there. it will never get better than the teapot one. but those are just some of the short videos that rudy giuliani, and once known as america's mayor has been making on cameo for the past few years. in an effort to make a little extra income. yesterday giuliani filed for bankruptcy. after he was ordered to immediately pay nearly 150 million dollar death nation

lawsuit to those two former election workers in georgia. the judge lofted the typical 30-day waiting period over concerns that schiavone might try to hide its assets. which in the filing, giuliani misses being -- $10 million with his current debt and more than 150 million. the filing also noted that the former new york city mayor has other lawsuits pending against him. with up to $500 million in total estimated liabilities. a spokesman for the former trump lawyer released a statement that reads in part, this. the filing should be a surprise to no one. no person could've reasonably believed that that rudy giuliani would be able to pay such a high amount. chapter 11 forward in the time to pursue a bill while providing transparency through its audiences. in a statement, the charity for

the association workers called it surprising, and added quote, it will not succeed in discharging mr. giuliani's debt to both -- no surprise here that giuliani would say i don't have the money to pay these workers. there are fears just how much the workers will receive. but i can't help but see this and think about the incredible, swift, and steep fall from grace. from the man who was such a hero to so many americans on 2001. we would be hard-pressed to find in american history. >> one doesn't come to mind. i think that if you don't have deep exposure to trump and maga world, you might not appreciate how much the grift of -- there are millions of millions

of americans that are really committed to trump and believes what he says. he says what i think, and this is what i hear on the time when i am on the road. and there are people like giuliani and others that hey, you're gonna prop up this operation because they are making money off of it and, it really is a big reason why the whole machine continues but i mean the teapot, wow. i mean i. sam said in the 5 am hour you can't make it up. i can't add to that. >> it's so humiliating, it's a humiliating. i just, you know, i hope that none of us are ever put in a position that we are so desperate for money that we have to go on television to people in new zealand and say i am a teapot, short and stout. >> i would do it. >> same way.

let's move on it's kind of related. no labels, the organization working on a third party presidential immunity ticket is floating the idea of forming a coalition government after the 20 election for him -- to win the president. i mean, what are you hearing? is this even remotely plausible? >> everyone work with us here. and michael work with us. this is under the situation that no candidate next november gets 270 electoral college votes. no labels is that organization that floated with joe manchin, potentially being a pent central candidate. they are trying to build a bipartisan wounded ticket with the democrat or republican on the president, on the atp. they haven't announced but plan to the spring and some states around the country.

and if no candidate gets turned in the electoral college votes next november? what happens. this is where from my conversation with the group's tang davis a former republican congressman in north korea and he tells me that they would foresee a situation where he is building what is called a coalition government. where they have the college votes on december 17th, 2024. begin negotiating with the that the republican party of the democratic party using unbound electors. fake electors. there are 33 states that require electors to vote for candidates that there were's the same population that is voted for. then there were 17 states where you don't have those acquirement's and we still elective few. letters that donald trump or thank you. that will have with that.

and you know how much policy is on the line? for potential's spot, or cabinet positions, or the situation he provided me with is you can commit to us on building the border wall, or not building a deficit, we will give you our electors. this is a complex situation and then the next step that they're acting about is sam clements taking over. electoral coverage vote fix there. each day delegation and the u.s. house has won votes. and the candidate would need 2016 delegations to assign with them. again, that's where the negotiations are good here. it's less complex and literally what happened was literally two years ago when jackson won the plurality of the popular vote around the country, but then what is left to the u.s. house to decide the state led situation announced with john

quincy allen's, the president of the united states that this is really -- this group of tens of millions of dollars in the pockets and they think that they really have a shot to throw this presidential election in 2024, into a complex state of being and focused on what would be a wild ski -- >> -- since then, we should also say that joe manchin, rumored to be a labels possibility is highly profiled in new hampshire in the coming weeks. along with the umbrella of another organization through a super pac. so, give us your read on this. i know that most democrats that i speak to our in pure panic about third party candidates including no labels believing that no matter what the scenario, no matter how complicated the plan, at the end of the day one of these candidates, a third party candidate, hopes to hurt biden

more than trump. >> vaughn laid it out and seems pretty simple. you know it straightforward, they can't even figure out how to trade immigration policy for ukraine aid, right now, the idea that you are trade a border wall for a presidential ticket is absurd, obviously, it's not gonna happen but i think you know the larger story is the kind of macro story that we're getting at is the group which does have inaction. we don't know how much they have because they don't reveal their finances. but they say they're gonna raise something like $700 million something like that. they're still around they're still holding out the threat of looking or having a third party on the ballot in another stage where they already do have ballot access. they said at some point that they don't want to play spoiler, they recognize that trump is a threat. but others right now are talking about a disputed election that will go to the

house where a unity ticket will somehow through sheer will, and weird policy concessions commit. it's out there and it will be a glimpse into how chaotic this outfit would be. what they want is a one-on-one contest with donald trump. that's what they want >> and there are things that disrupts it whether it's some bizarre fantasy or rfk junior or cornell west is not good for them and i think they want to simplify in this doesn't simplify it. >> cannot underscore enough. the biden campaign with the cases when it becomes a one-on-one we when. anything else? that gets messy. nbc's vaughn hill is with us on reporting this morning. we appreciate it. coming up on morning joe, republican presidential candidate ron desantis says that one key issue has made donald trump stronger in the gop primaries. we will tell you what that is. plus the los angeles dodgers capture yet another prized free agents.

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like they're cold so the track of the yankees. but remember doctors also signed ohtani to a ten year seven? hundred billion dollar deal. so that means the dodgers free agent spending has surpassed $1 million. some sign the yankees did not get them. yeah modal, we have never seen him pitch for the major leagues. but scott says top-of-the-line, ace stuff. but why did you see was on the wall. that alani added difficult money to keep spending now. it seems like the likely target was his friend and gentlemen. that seems gonna be loaded. i don't need to be raised -- is that what happens? we all know how this is gonna and. the dodgers went 114 games,

yamamoto is gonna have a great year, get to the playoffs, he'll get about five runs in the first inning of game one. ohtani hit those targets before trying to marie and there we've bounced out is. -- but let's just be upfront about it. we always viewed this stuff through the prism of the red sox. this is a disastrous off-season, full throttle, this is like one tenth throttle. i don't know what to say about ownership, these are a pulse in fenway. what is going on? ? i'm having early morning panic attacks about the rotation right now. >> they've happiness if i could spend for a while with the direction of locking up in the end. they are clearly at american lee is dead and as far as normal clothes. we're reporting as the mets,

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city with the sun about to come up on another beautiful day on the east coast. in fact, so beautiful many of us are wondering what is happening to the weather? unlikely that we are going to get a white christmas on the east coast of. course millions of people around the world, this year, were impacted by extreme weather events. nbc's al roker takes a look back at some of the base and stories of 2023. >> 2023, the hottest year ever on earth. a year of climate, and weather extremes. in the u.s. the number of billion dollar disasters how are 25. more than any other year. ragged with thousands of records, shattered across europe. at least eight countries had their warmest january they ever. back here things were no better. a siege of atmospheric rivers lashed the west coast through

mark. disastrous flash floods swept through california barry -- sorry, lake buckhorn the dead. when the spring arrives so did the tornadoes. this storm most devastating twister of the year was a ferocious ef4. tearing through rolling fork, mississippi. carving a 59 pile path across the street and packing winds as high as 195 miles per hour. a today later outbreak followed the haut -- tornado alley is making higher density, and more vulnerable populations a target for these types of disasters. in june, wildfire smoke was choking the big apple. making it seem like a mars landscape. shrouding iconic land like the statue of liberty, an empire

state building. both chicago and new york had the dubious sanctions >> making more smoke outbreaks more frequent. as northern cities suffocated, southern cities boiled under relentless days and dangerous heat. at the end of july, phoenix hitting a record 31 straight days of 100 degrees or hotter. the previous record? just 18 days. miami extreme heat and tropical humidity resulted in 46 days registering a heated decks, over 100 degrees more than a dozen u.s. cities recorded cities to the highest going on record. it hit up in late august, when the hurricane rapidly intensified over the gulf of mexico. striking your four and as a haggerty candidacy haut. >> the fourth most accurate in

history. by, november the brutal heat in the u.s. was not ruling the southern harris where. the heat index in rio de janeiro had an astonishing 138 degrees. with the highest ever recorded there. and for the third year in a row, deadly tornadoes ripped through the south just days before christmas. >> oh my god! >> 2023 experiencing so many extreme weather events, we couldn't not include them all here. climate change driven weather. leaving its mark all around the globe. >> we know that it is happening, but you have to see the pictures to get a reminder, and you have to wonder why it is so hard to take action. thank you to nbc's, all rocha, for bringing that important report and a important reminder for those images. let's bring in medical doctor dr. vin cooped up, we know this is having a very big impact on people's homes, cities, farms for example? what is the impact for climate

change on all of us in terms of our health? >> kathy, good morning. i'm glad you're bringing it up because this is the issue for a time. the time to change was the biggest threat multiplier on the human health. and we're knowing now that this will also love allies. we have -- the day that we accrued. the heat is impacting us beyond the scope. increasing frankly a realty and crime. we're characterizing this for others to develop a ken pea ridge. that's why there had a health day. it's on december 23rd, turn the next club 28. we're now talking about how, and people, we're talking about indoor air quality in a way, of course prompted by the pandemic, but now everyone is in the cash of air filters. not that there may be another respiratory down the road, but me entering climates he choose

across the country not just the west coast. now we're having these conversations and talk about it in a more meaningful way. i talked about the -- >> i can say that it's improving anytime soon, it doesn't seem there's political well to do very much to bring temperatures down in the way that would stop music streaming event. so, what you mentioned air filters. what can we do is individuals when there is a wildfire in our area when we treat it is extreme floods. the things that people could be doing to think of their own health and protect themselves. >> this is the most substantial, probably the one to take most focus on is poor air quality. all across the country, flash floods, and other things depending where they at. air quality is looking into -- and heating companies ventilation countries can afford to upgrade your ventilation, increase your

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that seems to be popping up. >> that's right jonathan, i'm here in the hospital studying right now. and what we're seeing is sentencing sammy upton. we are a speed a bunch of children, if you're medically high risk. underlying not. 30% of americans don't have this on hand. make sure that they're not traveling with -- keep them on hand. if you do not have access to health care, that's at least 24 hours with a patient intake. go to test the number two award chief. this is a government funded program we get free telehealth provinces, free health care from the flu so they mean it.

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welcome back to morning joe, the patient is right. i'm jonathan lemire. that is the bases caddie k. we are in for joe, micah, and willie this morning. jake also with us, and joining the conversation we have nbc news legal analyst, catherine christian. she is a former assistant attorney in the manhattan d.a.'s office. the host of the podcast, on

point with tommy deutch. tommy deutsch is here. and nbc news senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett. great to see you all. we begin this hour with special counsel jack smith. pushing back on former president donald trump's attempt to slow down a supreme court decision on his presidential immunity appeal. the result of the appeal would determine if trump is legally immune from prosecution over his actions after the 2020 election. the special counsel's team requested the high court roll directly on the issue, rather than wait for the process to go through a lower appeals court. the trump team responded asking the justice to wait for the appellate court ruling before making it one of in their own. yesterday, jack smith's office responded again calling the trump lawyers request misguided, writing in part this, the nation has a compelling interest in a decision on

respondents claim of immunity from these charges, and if they are to be tried, a resolution by conviction or acquittal will undo the delay. the high court could decide to act on the special counsel's request and anytime, so kathryn, what jack smith did not say there is the need for the urgency and that's because donald trump it's gonna be on the ballot next year, republican ballots in the spring, and most likely it will appear the general election ballot in the fall. give us your analysis here, how do you see the outcome, do you believe the supreme court will go ahead and take up this case and do it soon? >> i think they will, and you are right, jack smith said everything but there has to be a prompt resolution, because of november 2024 election, that's clearly what they meant and he couldn't say it because it would seem political but it is a revolution that should be done. the republican primary vote need to know are they voting for a convicted felon or would

they be acquitted? i never like to predict, what the supreme court is going to do, but i think they will. because this is a very big deal and national interest. i know the trump team has said because it's such an important case, let the appellate process work its way through the court of appeals, and the supreme court, but i think as in the nixon case, the supreme court will reach in. they're gonna have a case anyway, do it now, why wait? >> the supreme court for the conservative majority and three trump appointees, but they did come to his aid in 2020. laura, this of course is one of many, many legal fronts facing the former president. and you've got a look back on all the things piled up for trump over the next year. >> nice to be with you guys this morning. of course, all the legal jeopardy that donald trump finds himself in was well documented for months. even really, for years. but this was the year that what was one hypothetical, turned very, very real.

>> reporter: we are coming on the air with breaking news, sent toronto they're 2024 presidential campaign and our country's legal landscape. >> reporter: after years of investigations. >> they are not coming after, they are coming after you. >> >> reporter: 2023 will go down as the year that it all came to a head. >> we have rules applying in this country, and they apply to everyone. >> reporter: the 45th president now a criminal defendant. donald trump, indicted and multiple jurisdictions. >> reporter: an unprecedented moment in history. the fire out, far-reaching. >> reporter: a great day, a serious one for our country. >> reporter: first charged in new york, from what prosecutors said he did to get into of this originally. mr. trump stands accused of doctoring his company's books and records the cover up an embarrassing story ahead of the 2016 election. >> the manhattan grand jury voting to indict former president donald trump. >> reporter: then, in washington, and georgia. >> we look at the facts, we look at the law, and we bring

charges. >> reporter: allegations of a sweeping conspiracy to stay in power, and steal the 2020 election. >> not about calling the election rigged, it's not about saying that he had actually won, it is about the means that he used to do that. >> reporter: the former president also tried for what the justice department says, he did after he finally left the white house. >> the new photos released showing boxes of documents fashionable room, even a bathroom, at his mar-a-lago home. >> reporter: his arrest and arraignment playing out live. mr. trump, tweeting his court appearances almost as campaign events. the sole mugshot taken in fulton county, another surreal first. along the steady stream of attacks. >> the attorney of this state is a disgrace. >> reporter: against prosecutors, judges, and witnesses against him. >> i did nothing wrong. and everybody knows it. i've never had such support. >> reporter: with each passing indictment, his poll numbers

have grown. his fundraising numbers? through the roof. yet his legal woes have become increasingly competent it. with several alleged coconspirators pleaded guilty in georgia and now cooperating with prosecutors. >> reporter: if i knew then what i know now. i would have declined to represent donald trump in these challenges. >> reporter: not just criminal cases on the docket this year. on the civil side? >> did donald trump sexually abused miss carroll? the answer to that from the jury, is yes. >> reporter: mr. trump found liable for abusing e. jean carroll. in the dressing room of a department store in the 90s. and calling her claims a hoax. his deposition played at trial. >> reporter: you can do anything, grab him by the, you can do anything. is that we said? >> historically it's true with stars. >> it's true that they can grab them by the [bleep]? if >> you look at the last million years it's been largely

true, not good true. but largely true. unfortunately. >> reporter: mr. trump now appealing the 5 million-dollar verdict against them, while the ongoing civil fraud trial in manhattan has appeared to have struck a nerve. [inaudible] the families real estate empire that propelled him to fame in the white house now on the line. having found fraud, the judge now to determine the penalty in the coming weeks. mr. trump's rhetoric outside the courtroom? >> we have a corrupt legal system in new york city, new york state. >> reporter: increasingly landing him in real, jeopardy. to gag orders. >> they do gag orders because they don't want to get the jury. >> reporter: he hasn't been tested yet, with the political calendar and mr. trump's trial scheduled now on a collision course. the first criminal trial against the republican front runner set to begin next spring. >> for now, all eyes on the supreme court. as mentioned on the top of the

show. the justices are soon to decide whether to take up this very critical issue of whether the former president is immune from prosecution at all. >> nbc news correspondent, laura jarrett, thank you so much for that. and just spell it out for us. it is extraordinary. we should not lose sight of the fact that the day-to-day news can sometimes of scare the end of how to restore business. this is the president of the united states who faces all this legal trouble, but yet to this point anyway, has not heard of politically. and polls are split as to whether a conviction of them next year. >> the irony of the peace, and it's totality, it shows the grandiose, vulgar, legal trouble that he has. but the more it is, almost in the reared way, you get desensitized to it. watching the piece, at the very beginning, it's a great piece laura. at the very beginning, it's like yeah. but then, i'm not saying glaze over. but there's so much of it that

it almost cancel some of it out. whereas now, you say donald trump is indicted. donald trump's legal trouble. donald trump is getting arrested. donald trump is being convicted. i just think we are so numb to it that it is a frightening to thing to say, but that is the scary part. in the volume of it, sometimes it starts to work for him. whereas if we was two weeks before the election, and any one of those things happen. and none of the other things that happened, it would be a big difference. and you even see the discussing thing he said about grabbing women. we've heard it 1 million times really. it's depressing. >> yes, you become desensitized. and the campaign is very clear. they're using the legal proceedings as well established support. again, caddie, but wait. there is more. we've got more on this from donald trump. >> yeah, this piece, reminded me of al roker's piece in the last hour. it's the tiktok of

catastrophes. and that is, right during the course of the year there are so many of them we glaze over. so good i think to have these pieces to remind ourselves of this extraordinary moment that we are in. and see if any kind of action follows and yes, there is more, we're also following another reporting example of donald trump trying to overturn his 2020 election loss while he was president. this time it involve the certification process in michigan's most populous county. the detroit news reports that on a bad november 2020 phone call, trump pressured to republican members of the wayne county board of campuses telling them not to certify the certification of that county's 2020 results, which biden won by nearly 40 points. the conversations were captured in recordings reviewed by the detroit news, nbc news has not heard or verified the reportings. during a phone call which included rnc chair woman run daniel, trump reportedly told

palmer, and william hartman, that they would look quote, terrible if they signed the certification because in an earlier campuses, meeting palmer and hartman originally voted against approving the county's election results before switching for votes for support in the same meeting. following that meeting, and the call with trump, hartman and paula tried to rescind their votes in favor of certification. saying that they were pressured to do so. the detroit news reached out to spokespeople for the former president, rnc chair mcdaniel, and monica palmer, none disputed a summary of that call, the campus of william hartman died in 2021. mccaffrey, when you hear about this. to some extent it's a case of somebody with power pressuring people who did not have power and we've seen the impact it has had on campuses around the company. it's really hard to be on an election campus. because it's such a political environment.

but is there any legal recourse or jeopardy for any of those involved in this case? we seem it happen in georgia, look at that happen in michigan too? >> there could be, and what i see when i hear about these tapes is that the special counsel, and fulton county d.a. are very happy. because this is great evidence for their case. and the charges. this shows donald trump's pattern of conduct. he called the georgia secretary of state, and the governor, and tried to pressure them in trying to pressure vice president pence. and here he is doing this in michigan. it shows his intent, his knowledge, even towed these michigan people do not worry. i will get you attorneys. that shows that he has a knowledge of what he was asking them to do that was illegal. so, it could be a bribery, you know when you, unofficial person. someone is doing an official act in exchange for a gift? that can be considered bribery. so, yes but i think more it's more evidence against donald trump in his federal election

case and his fulton county case. >> we are not the only ones talking about the impact of trump's legal woes on the upcoming election. as republican candidate, former governor, ron desantis spoke about the impact of trump's numerous indictments, that they've had on the gop primary race. here's what desantis said in a recent interview with the christian broadcasting network. >> is there anything you, if not regret, you look at this campaign and go i wish i wouldn't have done that. how do you feel about that? >> there's always different things that happen. i would say, if i could have one thing change i wish trump hadn't been indicted on any of this stuff. honestly, i think that from alvin bragg on, i've criticize the cases, some like to brag. would not have bought that case if it wasn't donald trump. so someone that is distorting justice which is bad, but it also destroyed the primary. and i think it's been, those have been the main issues that have happened.

>> -- >> both that, and also crowded out. i think so much other stuff and it sucked out a lot of oxygen. >> that's interesting, you're saying it made him stronger. it made it tougher for you and others? >> i think for the primary it distorted it. i think it distorted it. now, in a general election, i think that democrats have a plan on this. i think the media has a plan on this. and i think if it gets to the point where six months from now trump is the presumptive nominee and he's having to go through all of this, they have a plan for how they're gonna ride this out. >> so, jen, he's probably not wrong. it's clear that trump will show it. he's got a boost from these indictments. what he didn't talk about, what might have been different, had any of those republicans competing with trump, himself included, taking those indictments and instead of decrying them as deep state witch hunts actually said, you know what? this is serious. donald trump should not be running again. >> if only it was in its power to put the indictments in the

proper context, against the republican primary voters. that he was a bad choice to be president. if only he had the power to do that. but, thinking about that and the peace prayer, and the short news piece. looking ahead to the trier that may start in march. just imagine everything else we're going to learn. reporting, we know that georgia recordings, we know that arizona recordings, now there's a michigan recording. when else are we gonna learn that trial? and we're talking about how we got dissenters sized in the bad behavior, and the watch of legal news but i'm thinking, and remember the january six committee hearings this summer of 22 i guess, right, summer of 22 and how when a body was able to tell a compelling story day by day, lay out all the facts that really did have an impact on the american public.

and, you know, it's jack smith's presentation we saw in his indictments. very compelling presentations. when that trial plays out in day-to-day, forgetting that news of what has happened put into constitutional context. that's what's under threat, is the constitution. and him not abiding by it. i think that would have a bigger impact and then you think, okay, and then the biden campaign is, and, then following in the last six months the campaign. the biden campaign is able to make, but all this in the context. that sort of what is missing i think. because from the day-to-day coverage, it's the broader implication of what that means. and that's what a big piece of what the presidential campaign will have to be about. >> we should note of course, that chris christie did offer criticisms of trump and his legal problems. they would've potentially head differently had desantis had came. who had much a swell of

groundswell support in the early days of the campaign. we should mention about chris christie, the real pressure on christie to drop out right now because of dread. where showing a new poll, that shows that nikki haley had surge in new hampshire. she's up 15 point since the last time it was served there. it's a college poll. she still 14 points behind donald trump. but, chris christie has 12. and one has to assume that if chris christie were to abandon his race, a lot of those 12% would end up with haley. and suddenly, we've got a little burner there. what do you make of this donie? is this all the relevant. it's a huge trial, it's coming in first. new hampshire is maybe a trip, while howard you read? it >> i think the man speaks for himself. chris christie, out of his 12%. it's not hard to figure out. he's been anti trump. and certainly not going to trump with him. i don't think any of this is gonna matter. trump is the guy, the number is so stunning.

and what is so scary to me is a democrat, or an anti trump-er. or a guy who loves democracy is going back to one of your earlier stories about the fact that his hitler-esque language poisoned the blood. it's not hurting him, it's helping him with republican voters. you go, what is wrong with us? what is wrong with us? we have to start to look at, in the mirror and what the people want in this country. and who this country is, and who this country has become. that is a scary part. we keep talking about these agree just, disgusting, for things that trump does and we point them out and we raise our hand, and we go that is going to be the trick. and the irony is, and the depressing thing and the paradox of it is that it works. so we have to start looking at who we are as a country, and that is what worries me. is this where we are? is this who we are? so hate filled. are we so full of just venom that this is who we are?

and we're gonna find out next november, it's scary. >> we may not like what we see back in the mirror. catherine, it's a good thing we have four hours. because there is so much that they have to get to. when we didn't get to play this hour is what's happening in colorado. it's been moved there by that state supreme court by that states primary ballot. the trump team heard from don earlier, it's readying the appeal which is ready to go next week. what do you think this will go? >> i do not believe that the supreme court is going to remove the party's nominee from the ballot. assuming it's trump. i'm keeping hope alive that it's not. but i don't believe they're gonna do it, i believe they are going to find a way. federalism, congress should write a law to avoid making that decision and reverse that colorado supreme court. >> we will see what happens next week on that. it's certainly politically divisive with a lot of democrats who believe, of course trump should be allowed

to run but also saying well this might actually be a gift to him and only further hamper his support. nbc legal analyst, catherine, thank you for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. still ahead here on morning joe. how the white house persuaded israel to open part of its border with gaza to allow more humanitarian aid in to the enclave! nbc's monica alba will join us with her exclusive reporting! plus, we bring in new details on the hostages who are still being held captive by hamas! you are watching morning joe, and we will be right back! right back! he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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on, this morning israeli officials are discussing more proposals to get hamas at the table, without considering a full cease-fire. israeli media this morning stressing there is a wide gap between the two sides, but the talks are not at a standstill. >> we are in communications with the americans, the qataris, the egyptians, and we will not waste any real opportunity that exists to get our people out. >> reporter: but inside israel, frustration is growing. protesters gathered outside of yesterday's board meeting chanting bring them home now. the israeli military said last night they are making progress, claiming control of the neighborhood of gaza city. and announcing that killed 2000 hamas fighters just this month. nbc news has not confirmed that number. but in the west of gaza, a cease-fire will bring desperate relief. a new u.n.-backed report says 93% of the population is facing crisis levels of hunger, and

famine. at least one in four households is facing catastrophic conditions. that's about half a billion people starving. she tells our came, i wake up every morning to wait in long lines for food. but sometimes i wait in the afternoon without anything, and we don't eat that day. the report also underscores the lack of aid coming in. the white house was asked about the challenges. >> i wish i could tell you that there is one bottleneck, there's a bunch of reasons. every day is different. >> the u.s. also signaled, after a much delayed security council resolution vote that they're wendy to support watered down war, with a path to making more aid come faster. they said the quantity of food coming and it's just 10% of what is needed. now hoping to increase that, chef jose andrés and world central kitchen inside of gaza this week. >> a lot of people, very, very happy to see us. >> andrea said they have already delivered 12 million

meal since they started their work inside with more on the way. >> reporter: so many people hungry in gaza. -- with that report, joining us now exclusive reporting on the american role in securing more humanitarian aid for gaza. nbc news white house correspondent, marc elba. what are the conversations taking place between the white house and the administration alba? >> it started after the attacks, but at that time there was only one voter crossing scheduled to be open. that was rafah, which is course is the border between egypt and gaza. and it really was just trucks that started to go in and those initial days and weeks after intense international coordination. in the weeks that followed, really, starting with president biden's visit to tel aviv, we understand that there was this major push from the biden administration to asked for an additional border crossing the. one that's known as kerem shalom to open, so that aid

could blow directly from israel into gaza. now this was something that the israeli government was very much opposed to. they said that they did not want to do that at the time, so it really required these intensive negotiations, in person appeals, there were visits from secretaries of state, tony blinken, and national security adviser, jake sullivan. really in terms of the biden administration priority here, meant that they emphasize that so much they felt they were able to ultimately convince and persuade israel to change their position and that started with just allowing more trucks to be inspected at that border crossing. they still had to drive back out and only crossed into gaza from rafah. but then about a week ago, when the national security adviser was on the ground, he basically told israeli prime minister netanyahu face the face that this was not negotiable. that this was something that needs to take place because of that humanitarian groups, and the biden administration. they agreed that their aid getting and is nowhere near

enough. and so sure enough, according to my reporting, the administration officials reveal that jake sullivan was on the ground in israel about a week ago. and said that i am not prepared to leave here until this gets done. not prepare that was something he really wanted to see happen. ultimately, the israeli government did vote to allow for the kerem shalom border crossing to be not just use for those inspections, that to allow some aid and, but over the last four or five days, trucks are now entering gaza directly from israel. now what you are seeing going through rafah has been supplemented by this, and again, you saw those statistics. when you talk about the hunger crisis, the evolving situation, they can see that more needs to be done and they want to see those numbers grow, but they felt that this was a major priority under of course intense international pressure to step up that issue, to address this evolving crisis. >> so a little bit of progress there, still more need needs to

get in there. nbc news white house correspondent monica alba, thank you. and coming up, we will have an in-depth look at one of the hostages that is still being held in gaza. nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez brings us the story of the kidnapping of noah. that is coming up next on morning joe.

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there's new reporting on the female hostages still being held in gaza. among them, no argamani, you can see here being taken on october the 7th. nbc news foreign correspondent has more on the kidnapping of nao -- noa, and we should note the the images here are disturbing. >> reporter: signs of panic, of violence, a massacre.

more than 200 hostages are kidnapped across southern israel in the october 7th terror attack. most are taken from for kibbutzim, and the supernova music festival, among them is 26-year-old noa argamani, one of the first faces of the hostage crisis that will shape the coming war. after nearly two months of relentless bombardment of gaza and response to the attack, a cease-fire deal is reached. the terms of the deal are specific. israeli women and children at least in exchange for palestinian women and children held in israeli prisons. over seven days in late november, more than 100 hostages are freed.

but by the eight day -- >> the cease-fire has abruptly ended in gaza with deadly fighting resuming. >> but many women remain in captivity. the u.s. and israel say it is hamas's refusal to release this specific proof that this derailed the cease-fire. >> what leads to the deal finally falling apart? >> hamas reneged. it had agreed to a list of names and it suddenly cannot provide these people, i didn't want to provide these people. >> noa argamani is one of these women still held after her abduction from the supernova festival, the only dance party attacked by hamas. nbc news revealed photographs, text messages, and use mapping tools to reconstruct the moment of noa's kidnapping, trying to understand why she still hasn't been freed, but her story tells

us about the fate about the remaining hostages in the future of the war raging around them. >> the place would give her some piece, some quiet. she like this place very much. >> noa's close friends take us to a ridge above be'er-sheva. gaza is just over 20 miles away. israeli aircraft roar overhead. >> she is so close and yet so far. she was like the best friend ever. she always saw the best in people. >> everybody like her, and that is why, she is, is like a glow of all the friends. >> was noah excited about the nova festival? >> i think she wasn't sure if

she would go, and it was like a spontaneous thing. >> around 6:30 a.m. on october 7th, the skies over the supernova festival filled with rocket >> but two noa and other festival goers, the scale of the attack is not yet clear. at 7:46 a.m., noa's friend text this photo saying that they are safe, but 20 minutes later, fear is starting to spread. we are here at the parking lot staying put. an hour later, noa since your location with hope that somebody will come and save us. and i'm 44 a.m., three hours after the attack, noa's boyfriend since this photo. noa is huddled on the ground, hiding. it is a last-minute picture before they are kidnapped. it's crazy here. the friend text that no one is

answering and israel's equivalent of 9-1-1. he replies [bleep] try asking again. they are finding people won by one and killing them. noa's final text message is at 10:27 a.m., we don't have a car. >> what does that mean. >> the friend keeps texting. give me a sign, bro, i'm begging you. give me something, something. please. after hours of silence, the video appears online. >> the first video i saw was noa a streaking water, so i was like, oh she's okay, there's nothing to worry about. >> we do not know if she is an israel, and the border are in the house or something. >> but then they see this video. >> i think minutes after we saw the kidnapped video, this was a nightmare.

>> i remember that i was in my car in the parking lot, and we were sitting and we watching it 1 million times over and over. >> what do you see in her face when you watch that video? >> i would say that she is frightened to death. >> you can see it on her eyes, the way she cried for help. >> and nbc news analysis of our kidnapping video suggests it was found on this road here half of a mile from the supernova site. this location has a field in treeline like the ones over noah's shoulder, and the buildings in the distance appear to be the nearby kibitz regime, mass with satellite imagery. and they seem to be keeping with the timing of noa's last text message, and it suggests they were heading southeast along the start road before it disappearing into gaza. for the next seven weeks, gaza

echoes with the sound of war. for palestinians, a staggering death toll. now more than 18,000 dead according to the moss run house ministry, mainly women in chilled. children, and growing every day. but on the fate of noa, there is only sign. silence. >> this is the worst situation, because we want to stay with, help but you don't know anything. >> we are hopeful she would come out during the cease-fire? >> we were hoping that if not today than tomorrow. we felt that noa is with us. it is like we saw her with us again, and we see it behind the glass, but we cannot quite touch it yet. >> across israel, fear is going for the remaining hostages, and alongside, it anger among hostage families. much of it aimed at the israeli government. in a leaked recording verified by news, a freed hostage confronts prime minister benjamin netanyahu.

[speaking in a global language] >> when you're negotiating with a group like hamas, it's not clear if they're going to release all the hostages, but our goal is to get everyone released. hamas isn't going to release hostages because they've suddenly become humanitarians. they will only release hostages when they feel compelled to do so, the military pressure that worked in the past, it can hopefully work in the future. what is the alternative? there isn't one. >> what we hear over and over again is that they want the hostages to be the priority, not destroying hamas, and they feel like the government is prioritizing destroying hamas. >> from our perspective as a government, we see no

contradiction between the goal of defeating hamas, destroying hamas, and getting the hostages out. >> we want to understand, why did hamas release mothers, children, even some man, but not noa and the young woman around her? noa and the yoin washington, the department offered one theory. >> it seems one of the reasons they don't turn women over they've been holding hostage, and the reason this fell apart is that they don't want those women to be able to talk about what happened to them during their time in custody. >> does the israeli government have any information that supports her. >> we feel for the hostages. anybody who saw what hamas was capable of on october 7th and the sort of violence with regards to beheadings, the burning of people alive, the sexual assaults. >> nbc news has reviewed evidence suggesting dozens of israeli women were sexually assaulted or mutilated on october 7th.

some freed hostages said they also suffered sexual abuse while in captivity, according to a group representing families. nbc news has not been able to independently confirm that. >> there is another potential explanation as to why noa was it released. two israeli military officials told us that the first wave of attackers at the music festival were heavily armed members of hamas's elite commando unit. but in the hours that followed, thousands of other gossips, among them gangs and militants, also according to israel. the man grabbing noa and avinatan do not appear to be armed. they're not wearing tactical gear. and israeli military official told us that the appear to be part of the mob, not hamas fighters. in the video of noa in gaza, she appears to be an ordinary house. it looks like two barefoot women walk past. it's very different from

hamas's official hostage videos, which are deliberately designed not to give clues about the location. the evidence suggests that noa was not kidnapped by hamas. they may not have for even though she is. israel's government has said at least 20 hostages are dead, but noa's named does not appear on their official list. hamas has claimed that unspecified number of hostages were killed by israeli strikes, but they never provided evidence. they won at least recording, the freed hostage says that those strikes put them in danger. [speaking in a global language] the israeli military hasn't said that it mistakenly killed three hostages and northern gaza. while more than 100 hostages remain in captivity, stories from those freed have only heightened for years.

>> they were treated very badly, did not get medical attention, we neglected, were actually tortured. >> it's agony for the families of all of the remaining hostages, each with their own worries about time running out, but for noa's family, time is especially short. noa's mom, where she might pass away and noa will still be inside? >> we don't know when she will be out, and then we do know that noa's mom is a ticking clock. i hope that her mother deserves to see her child and give her a chance to say goodbye. [speaking in a global language] >> this is a notebook we made

for noa. the idea is that when she will come back, we now maybe she will, her zone is quiet, but she will have the words from france and we know that she's not alone. >> for communities here, time violently stopped. empty chairs, houses that aren't homes, life unable to restart without the missing on the far side of the fence. just heartbreaking, nbc raf sanchez, and is nbc news digital documentary is available at nbc news.com, in the nbc news youtube channel. to watch it. we watch that, and you watch the suffering and, gaza you are the suffering of these really

fairly, and it is just awful, and what is the resolution. >> extraordinary reporting, but such a grim moment with not a lot of hope on the future. it would appear that the reporting shows just again why israel is so traumatized on october 7th. and they brought it to its core, but we're also seeing scenes of devastation in gaza reporting this morning from the times about israel telling gazans about areas of the enclave that are safe, and using highly destructive weapons on that region. further radicalizing the population here. it is this terrible cycle, this catch 22, it's hard to see it stopping. >> we see the words of humanitarian crisis, and i will remind everybody when it comes to gaza what's going on there,

and the pressure of israel, and the humanitarian crisis started october 7th. and it started with the sexually assaulting of women, with the burning of babies, and that is the beginning of the humanitarian crisis. everything that has come out of it, things happening at to palestinians, is on hamas, it's not on israel. and you said this, before you said on the show, israel needs to defend themselves in the same way that we need to defend ourselves, that is no different. the things that worries me, he just touched on this point, there's 2.2 million gazans, and obviously there are so many innocent civilians. what percentage of gazans that we know, since masses taken over in 2008, it's 2008, and how many are radicalized at this point? how many these people, to your point, the cycle is that now we have such a large percentage of the population that is

radicalized now, because that is what they have been part, and we had a terrible, terrible cycle now. it is scary. >> advice by what they've been taught, and radicalized by the events of the last few weeks where people, say my family's been killed. >> it's a vicious cycle. >> and of course we know the white house frustration with prime minister benjamin netanyahu and how he's conducting this for as well. a vicious cycle indeed. donny deutsch, we appreciate you being here this morning. still ahead here on morning joe. house speaker mike johnson sends a scathing letter to president biden blaming him for the situation at the southern border and urging him to take significant action. we will show you how the administration is responding, and also ahead, democratic senator chris coons of delaware will join the conversation. we will be right back. l be right back.

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