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sharpton. >> good evening and welcome to politics nation's 13th annual revvie awards. it's where we celebrate the best and worst of politics in 2023, and give awards to those who deserve it. i am honored to have been bringing you some of the most significant and memorable moments this past year, and what a year it has been. with that, let's bring in our esteemed panel this year. jen psaki, so proud to have her with us, host of inside with jen psaki, right here on msnbc. republican strategist and msnbc political analysts, susan del percio, who i always say, is my favorite republican. and ali velshi, host of velshi, also here on msnbc weekends,

and he is worrying -- i thought it was a clergy collar efforts. >> a couple of times, people have asked for some blessings. >> let's get to the first revvie awards. the biggest political ads on a 2023, i will share a few of my own nominees to get started, and andy panel can chime in. my first top nestory, the trump indictments. americans had never seen a former president charged criminally before 2023. this year, they got to see a four times over. it often felt like trump has spent as much time in courtrooms as he did on the campaign trail, yeah, none of these alleged crimes have prompted any punishment from republican voters. trump still commands a sizeable lead in the polls. my next nominee, republicans gone wild.

republicans got the house back this year, but never seemed to be in full control. it took kevin mccarthy 15 rounds to be voted speaker back in january, and adjust ten months to be booted from the, job after 21 days of chaos, mike johnson took the gavel in late october. only time will tell how long he can hold on to it. and my final headline, shutdowns and showdowns. when republicans were not fighting amongst themselves, they were pushing our government to the brink. from the debt ceiling through the spending bills, hard-liners in the house gop made a dramatic show of impeding progress on capitol hill, all to kick the can down the road at the last minute at every deadline. panel, what is your thoughts? let's start with you, jen. >> first of all, it's hard to be any of those.

those are all related to, that's the thing. the republican chaos is related to trump. the dysfunction in washington is related to trump, as they say, the fish rots at the head. the fish is where the hat is. those are good ones. can i add another one? >> please. >> i would also add in, i know ali will talk about israel, i would bet, because you have been covering that so amazingly, but also, abortion rights. we started this year a year ago, and we would have thought, i don't know, is this not going to be on the minds of people, are they still going to care? what we saw over the past couple of months, women care, men care, independents care, democrats care, even republican women care, so that is i think a big headline too from there. >> i agree with that. when it comes to the trump indictment, i would say that the second indictment, june 8th, we were celebrating nbc news actually here at 30 rockefeller center. i remember, everyone was

looking at there -- they were looking at their phones. they started hearing. >> right in the middle of the celebration. >> exactly, it was crazy. all of a sudden, he gets up and is ready to speak. he's like, i got to go, because there is breaking news. i guess the headlines sprung, but there is also a personal moment, where you saw it happen around you. that was certainly a big moment. the second one, i agree with jen, it's abortion rights. especially in ohio this year. see that break the way it did, ohio is not a state that we look as purple-ish. it's a red state, and the fact that we saw that tried to come out of ohio again. there is a lot to talk about there. i think going into 2024, more than joe biden, more than donald trump, the two likely nominees, abortion will be the top at the ballot more so than

anybody else. >> i want to take the same point farther, and that is that we have been talking about the erosion of democracy and whether americans take that seriously, i think we have seen them take it seriously. we're saying it's abortion, but i think it is rights. i think whether abortion, book banning or whatever the case is, americans are putting aside whether they self identify as, in some instances, as republicans and democrat, when it comes to things that look like their rights are being taken away, and they are marching with their votes. they are doing things that we have watched for several years, watched with the black lives matter protests, watched it with other things. remember, we can debate on where we stand on particular issues, but please don't take my rights away. please don't take the rights of my fellow americans away. we discussed about what we like or don't like. americans have decided to become the footsoldiers in defense of democracy. i was worried that sometimes, we did not take seriously the threat to democracy or have a

fight. i think that is the biggest story for me. >> okay, now, to the reverend for heroes and you of 2023. my first hero is how speaker leader, house minority leader, hakeem jeffries, the leader, who do all the spending bills and speaker fights, leader jeffries kept democrats indicted, while republicans were at each other's throats. in just his first session at the helm, jeffries has proven to be a worthy successor to nancy pelosi. my other hero, kentucky governor andy beshear, the democrat cruised to reelection in a deep red state, deep red state of kentucky, emerging as one of the country's most popular governors. bashir was the face of some

surprisingly successful election cycle for democrats, also protecting voting rights in ohio. -- ali, you go first. >> they are connected. yusef salaam and donald trump. many years ago, yusef salaam was one of five alleged central park five. they suggested that they should be executed. you look at the charles and things like that these days. >> i was i protests. >> that's right. he gets elected to city council, no surprise in the election, because he was uncontested, after winning a primary. but, it's not just that he won an election, it's the little business of acts of courage that people commit. if i was yusef salaam or anybody, i'd be pushed off for the rest of my life.

i don't know how productive i would be. and this guy comes out, runs for office and is now going to be a servant of the people, in a place that put him in jail, while donald trump is facing justice. that feels ironic and interesting. >> interesting that he got to see donald trump get arraigned in the same building that he was put on trial. >> i think my hero is the young man who showed up in the bashir ads, abortion ads. >> oh, yeah, god, the. >> telling her story, that she was an incest survivor. she had lost a child, even on of wear of it, when she was 12 years old. she told her story, and the impact i think it had on that race, showing how extreme the kentucky legislature was willing to go, as far as not allowing abortions of rape and

incest and life for the mother really hit home. it was not only important for the race itself, but i think it should such tremendous inner strength. i am not going to say that this is the worst person, because donald trump obviously owned that 100%, but someone who really let down her state's governor hochul. i say that when it comes to the market crisis. eric adams may be having his own political problems or no, but when it comes to the migrant crisis, kathy hochul said it's a new york city problem, not a new york state problem. she really let her down, because at the time, the mayor of new york needed all the hope that we can get, frankly, left catherine hochul to hang out. >> i want to go to you first on the heels and heroes, jen, but let me say my heels of 2023. i want to highlight my favorite florida lid starting with congressman matt gaetz. few politicians not named a trump have dished out more self

inflicted wounds on the republican party. congressman gaetz forced mccarthy to force -- and then exploited that vulnerability to replace him with a far more radical speaker less than a year later. only time will tell whether gaetz will cost his party the asked majority in 2024. my ultimate heel weighs down -- sunshine state governor ron desantis, once a leg up on other challenges to trump, but 2023 was the ear of desantis stumbled in his race for the white house, whether it was his off-putting demeanor or obsession with anti-wokeness, governor ron did not exactly put his best foot forward. and he took a beating. >> did you confront the

sentence at the heel because he wanted to make that joke? it was a very good joke. i am going to go against the grain of my 20 plus years in democrat politics and do a bunch of republicans, because i do think and washington, it's much harder to go against the grain than it is to go and follow up a soccer ball. i would say that my heroes are liz cheney and mitt romney. i never would have thought that. that would not be on my bingo card a few years ago. i worked for a bomber when we ran against mitt romney. liz cheney, i disagree with her on many policy issues, but what they both did was that they stuck their neck out. as ally was talking about, on democracy and standing up for the constitution and aligning themselves with people that had a visceral policy disagreements with, that is not easy. it cost him both a lot, so they are my heroes. my heel, i think he might be my heel again next year, i don't know, is mike johnson, because that guy, one, ambition is not

a crime, but that guy put aside -- in liz cheney's book, she basically said that he did was wrong when he knew better. that is a paraphrase. that is not leadership. that is not admirable public service, and i think all of this, the last couple of nights has been a reminder of the role that she played in january six, what she outlines in her book. for me, he is somebody that is allowing ambition and this pursuit of power to override what i think people have been close to him for some time say he does not necessarily agree with. >> all right -- we're just getting started. >> i may have to give you some advice to change your heel, because under donald trump's plan, his 2025 plan when he becomes president, he will hire all these people who are loyal but not capable, and matt gaetz is going to be the attorney general.

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famous rockefeller center in new york city, and the 13th annual revvie awards. here again is your host, reverend al sharpton. >> welcome back to all of you at home. i am here with our panel, jen psaki, susan del pco and ali velshi. time now to hand out our nemours revvie awards to the best debates of 2023. this year's republican debates men have been equivalent of the kids table at thanksgiving but some candidates did display proficiency at the podium.

my rookie of the year was vivek ramaswamy, the brash and abrasive newcomer did not make many friends, but certainly generated a lot of you with his debut at the debates, take a listen. >> first, let me address the question on everybody's mind i own tonight, who the heck is the skinny guy with a funny last name, and what the heck is he doing in the middle of this debate stage. to be honest, as republicans, i am the only person on states that is not paid for, the climate change agenda is a hoax. the climate change agenda is a hoax. indeed the last debate, she made fun of me for joining tiktok. well, her own daughter was actually using the app for a long time. you might want to take care of your family for us. >> we might daughter out of your voice. >> another stand up for former was nikki haley. the former south carolina governor showed herself to be well rounded as a debater, just as comfortable delivering and

inspirational, personal story, or a savage burn on one of her opponents. >> i would first like to say, that there are five inch heels, and i don't say unless you can run on them. the second thing i will say is i wear heels, not for a fashion statement, therefore ammunition. every time i hear you, i feel dumber for what you say. but my pick for debater of the year, managed to win without even setting a full on stage, and that is former president trump, his supporters would not care if he did not jump in the ring with the likes of dog birmingham or cassity autumn sun. so far, that bet has been proven to be correct. jen, the bag away. >> i mean, trump is the winner, as he said, in the sense that

he is still very far ahead. if you're just looking at performance though, as we talk about here, i think nikki haley is far away divest the bitter and i think it helped the move ahead in the polls, because these debates were watched by the missing numbers but still by many, many people, and she came across, whether you agree with her or not, and i don't agree with her on a lot of things, a smart, competent and also able to kind of throw a punch that came across as sort of in the moment. one of the worst things when we watch debates is watching people spit out a phrase or an unprepared, line and are like, that was a prepared line. i thought she was the best debater, even through the last debate. >> i agree with jen. i think it was nikki haley. another school you had to bring to the table is also dealing with what is given to you onstage at the time. she, and i guess, she really owes a lot to ramaswamy,

because she used him as the perfect foil. she swatted him around like a fly, people paid attention, looked at her, said she can go on the attack. when she showed how completely -- >> she did not know where the attack was coming. >> she has the skills. i think i learned that recently about her. she has skills, but ramaswamy, i could argue as led her two coming into second place, because he was always there and fall into it, every single time. >> he's the foil every time. that line she uses, every time i hear you speak, i feel dumber. i don't know who will top that line. >> and they are all ganging on him. >> that helped her further and further, even though, really, none of the folks up on the debate stage had much to say. >> i am going outside the box on this one, gavin new some, who early in december, had a 95 minute debate with ron desantis,

that was 95 minutes long more than it needed to be. i am not entirely sure why he did it, but it was worth it. there is a guide not in the race, not running for president, so far as we can tell. and he got in there to short of say that ron desantis, you speak so much nonsense, that i will engage in an hour and a half long debate with you. it was tough, because ron desantis can bring more things than he can bring. he had a poop map of san francisco. i am giving it to gavin newsom for getting involved in a debate that he did not need to get involved. >> who would ever thought that all evil she would think outside the box. still ahead, politics are not a spectator sport. we'll look back at top moments, when the people took the power for themselves. we have more of the revenues coming up for you and your friends, fellow family members in the holiday season.

more lighthearted moments when there is still here. >> mr. ramaswamy, if elected, what would you do on your first day in office? >> i would like to begin by not answering your question and instead use this platform to say, her daughter's on tiktok. >> keep my daughter's name out of your voice. e. can help you leave a legacy for the ones you love. that's the value of ownership. how did i lose?

this is chaos. some of us are here to actually serve the american people. all i want to do is get congress back to work, so that i can shut it down again. >> we are back to politicsnation 13th annual revv i am here with my panel to hand out this year's power to the people honors. ing to this year's most paful grassroots efforts, after its nomination, goes to reproductive rights advocates. and ohio, who managed to protect abortion access, winnin two bellinittives, abortion opponents tried every trick in the book to complicate the process, but ohio voters never seem to confuse. my second, nominee, americas unions, especially the writers

guild, saying -- sag-aftra and the united auto workers. during the summer, workers dug up for the rights and ended up negotiating new deals with better pay and more benefits. the high-profile strikes could ultimately have an impact far beyond detroit and hollywood. finally, i must recognize, the organizations involved in this year's march on washington. in my capacity as head of national action network, i organized the event, which i called a continuation, not a commemoration, of the 60th anniversary of the march. but i have countless volunteers identified to think to making the event a big success. panel, your thoughts. i'll start with you this time. >> i really like the labor union. jane kramer is a woman from

bucks county, pennsylvania. i've spent a lot of time in pennsylvania. this is a woman who was fed up with this so-called grassroots movement to ban books. moms for liberty, the group that organizes the book bans, an organic book bans, was running to control the school board, so she organized it, not a particle woman, she organized candidates to run, and all five of her candidates won, and they are a majority on the bucks county school. i think that is the kind of small acts of courage that is going on around the country in the next year, to seek the preservation of democracy. someone that was not an activist but was not called to do this, and she decided to take it on and say -- you can't fight everything going on in the world. there's lots about stuff going on in the world, lots of bad stuff going on in politics nationally, but i had a fight in my district, in my county, in my school boards, she fought and she won. >> susan? >> i will go with the voters of

virginia, more specifically, the grassroots efforts of the democratic party in virginia, because there was an effort by glenn youngkin, who is being hailed as the one who will save america for all i know and enter the presidential race -- he battled on keeping control of the republican-controlled state legislature. he went there with an abortion ban platform. bishop artistic, and this is what is hard, they did not buy back on a statewide platform, they wen in, sea by sea, and not only did glenn youngkin's pack spent millions upon millions of dollars and fail, they lost seats. i think it shows the importance of grassroots efforts by whether republican or democratic parties, to get in there, recognize the importance of legislative rights, whether it's the lower house or the senate. that is where change happens. i say that with a special, when

we look at abortion rights, in the bigger picture, because it's all happening at the state level. >> so true. >> jen? >> as a virginia resident. i am going to say the young gun right activists advocates, gun violence advocates. a lot of these young people, in their twenties, have survived gun violence, at their schools or just in circumstances that they lived through. i am thinking of maxwell frost, one of the angus members of congress. he was not intimidated, he's been outspoken, over and over again. david hogg who started an organization to lift up young people running for office. they are relentless, they are tireless, and they raise the issues and show up for people, which i think is so important. they show up for communities, for highschoolers, for college kids, who are also experiencing tragedies. i would say --

>> you did acre interview with both of them. >> you're right, they show up four of the people, because i see a lot of people that never show up to the victims. after the headlines, they never hear anything. they also work around other things. when i did the march on washington, involved with martin luther king the third, they spoke on that platform. they are not into this, i am on my side, leave me alone. i think that they have been very, very effective and very, a lot of times, you young activists that just on their thing, they've been able to be very mature about gun rights activists. you're right stay with us, we still have plenty to come, including our favorite award. >> that's right, the new speaker of the house is mike johnson, and if that name sounds familiar, it's because it's on every fake i.d..

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the alfred sea sharpton blueberry pie lifetime achievement award. every year we look around and ask who has the most blueberry pie on their face. my first nominee is from a new york representative, george santos. we will have to send him his license email since he is no longer welcome on capitol hill. santos was expelled from congress after an investigation finally spent campaign cash on botox and onlyfans, now he's threatening to tell all about his ex colleagues, unfortunately santos is not exactly a reliable narrator. the other two are returning champion starting with elon musk, the tycoon who has piled on his face again this year. not only our advertisers freeing his platform because it contains more not see content

than, quote, the producers. elon also capped off the year by going full anchorman on his sponsors telling him to go take a hike. >> this has been set online that there was all of the criticism that was advertised and we talked about -- >> i hope they stopped. >> i want to advertise. >> you don't want them to advertise? what do you mean? >> if somebody is going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money, go [bleep] yourself. go [bleep] yourself. is that clear? i hope it is. hi bob. >> but the biggest blueberry pie slice of all goes to kevin mccarthy. the california congressman sold his soul for a speakership,

shorter than britney spears's latest marriage. in 2023 mccarthy went from third in line to the presidency, to pushing matches in the congressional hallways and as this year and, mccarthy has announced that he will be leaving congress for good. it was truly a fall from grace. and one for the ages. susan, do you see them with blueberry pie on their face? >> he doesn't only have blueberry face, he's taking a dive into blueberry filling. he's drenched and blueberry faced. i mean, it's what he has put this congress through. if you think about it in many ways, just having the votes, having these small margin when it comes to basically kevin mccarthy not doing the right thing when it comes to george santos and seeking his ouster.

he has just brought so much disgrace on the congress, the country, and he does it all while making more money than when he was a sitting member of congress. he's doing cameo appearances so let me urge everyone. stop. >> i mean, i'm just going to nominate clarence thomas and the supreme court owes supporting actors here. because what was exposed this year is something that we all kind of suspected and you for some time. that is not they have no coat of at the exit they have to follow. members of congress, if you are in the federal government you literally can't expect more than like, a mug. still, they have a weak, toothless code that they have all put out there as if they've solved the problem. they are still the most important judges of the land. we learned a lot about harlan crow and clarence thomas. certainly the most jarring and

alarming. if i'm understanding the pie analogy best i think that what we have exposed, what we've learned here is what they all have pie on their face for their ethical -- >> when they came with their -- they still had to planted. >> after the georgia indictments came down, there were so many people involved in that that some of them decided that they were going to take please. the one that i found the most interesting ways digitalize. nobody used to know, she would show up next to rudy giuliani, and all of those press conferences, including at the four seasons in philadelphia. four seasons landscaping company. she would just talk, and talk, endlessly about stuff that was entirely nonsense. then when she took the plea and made a statement, if i had known now what i knew then i wouldn't have defended donald trump. come on, you just need to read a pamphlet. watching that allocution with something. it was notable. that's exactly right. >> you've got anyone else that

you caught with blueberry pie? >> like i said, george santos gets all of the pies this year, but george santos and kevin mccarthy were like two top ones. watching 15 rounds of kevin mccarthy become speaker all for it to end this way in a year's one for the ages. >> one for the ages. >> he might get a special blueberry pie. something, i don't know. >> cream on top, something. you've got to make it special for him. stay with, us coming up, my panelists and their crystal balls to predict what will happen in 2024. don't go anywhere. >> after a judge issued a dialogue order against president trump, trump told reporters that the judge said that basically i don't have the right to speak. then he added that she is literally killing me. then he yelled you are not even my real mom. my real mom. please be a phone, please be a phone. >> the 13th annual review

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great expectations for a 2024. what you say is on tape and we will be served against you next year or so, in fact, take a look at last year's predictions by susan and ali. >> this time next year, donald trump will not be a candidate for president. >> oh, really? >> but not until the end of the year. >> really? >> hopefully it is before we recorded the revvies for 2023. >> well, -- >> i was hopeful. yes, i have a horrible record on the show for making predictions. but i will keep that streak probably, maybe not. maybe this will be a good one. if the abortion issue can be in the florida constitution, for the florida constitution, if

they can get it on the ballot for 2024, which they are working for, but they need an awful lot of help for national groups, with abortion on the ballot in florida, biden only lost by less than three points. i predict florida could be in play for joe biden in 2024. >> that biden could win florida? >> yes. >> that is a bold prediction. >> but with abortion rights being on the ballot. that is the crust of it all. if it isn't, i don't see it happening. but if that voter turnout can change, because ron desantis, let's not forget that he only won because no one showed up in 2022. 54%. in 2018 he won by less than 1% with 63% of the people turning out with abortion on the ballot in 2024, i think you are going to have a huge turnout and if we see it, biden can win it. but the folks in florida need a lot of help to get it on the ballot. >> we are not playing any of my

predictions. i haven't addressed it later this year. i will say, you guys literally talk about gun rights activists. if you think about this last year you have maxwell frost, you have justin j. pearson, justin johnston tennessee, you've got a bunch of these really young people whom i would've thought given the last seven or eight years in politics might be disillusioned and might send it out who are not just good but our thinkers. they are strategic. even when the justin's in tennessee got themselves, there was strategy to it. somebody said to me one time they are just doing it for the media and we have said actually they are, and that's what they are supposed to do but you can go beyond that and you can talk to these young men and women

across the country in their twenties and 30s and imagine that they could be the president of the united states of america. it governor, or a senator. these people who will not leave congress, or running for national office, i am seeing a group of people who are going to come into the limelight in 2024 in a way that we've not seen before and reinvigorate voters because they are going to say i see the future of america running and that is what is going to make me turn out to vote. >> so inspiring. i'm glad that you mentioned the justice because i feel like watching them speak was so inspiring and then meeting them in person as i know that we all have it's like equally so coming out of there. >> i spent some time with justin from nashville and i watched it and because you need a lot of the young actors like

that. >> all right, i'm going to predict that mike jones is not going to be the speaker of the house in a year. and when to give myself two caveats as to why. i actually think as you talked about earlier about hakeem jeffries has done a remarkable job as the democratic leader. i will say because i live in washington and talk to all of these people it has surpassed the expectations of most democrats who lived there. not because he wasn't well liked are well respected but because you are jumping into a role that speaker pelosi had been in for years. it's not easy. almost impossible. he's done it in a way that is so strategic and smart. part that, also part because i think the abortion issue in suburbs and places where there are vulnerable races, and where republicans are trying to take on democrats will be helpful to democratic candidates. and third, maybe the republicans just kick them out because we've been talking

about matt gaetz going to be like i need some attention that is the whole thing. it's not about governing, it's about attention. so if he's functioning along they are going to be like we are tired of this. and he won't be speaker. >> that's the gift that keeps on giving. if we didn't have matt gates we would have to create one because he is just he cannot help himself and it always helps the other side. always. you know, i was not a congressional hearing, he jumped on me and 30 years ago said most of the stuff was fabricated. and just let him punch himself and he makes a full out of himself. >> one thing that is interesting isn't in a world that everybody politicizes thing in a partisan way he has not. when asked given every

opportunity, because reporters ask every time something is going down in congress about what he thinks about he seems to be strategic about it as well. he seems to be saying if they need our help, we will get involved, if we see an opportunity where we can help our republican friends we will get involved. he doesn't take the bait to save something weirdly inflammatory which is what you've come to expect in congress. what crazy part of something could you possibly say that would play on tv. he doesn't deliver on that. >> it is a much better way of saying what i was trying to say. it feels better, people give more high fives, raise more money. there's moments where he's done it but he does not do it all the time. he is strategic about it which is so smart. >> that's why he's taken seriously if he does. i've known her kim 20 years, he's always been like that. very strategic, always looking out what is the end goal.

i've got to get you on the record here. who is going to be the president-elect in 2024? >> well, it's gonna be joe biden, or i am going to be in cabinet. >> doing the show remote? >> we are going to come live with ali in canada. >> i will stand my optimistic wisdom say that joe biden, because i do believe that the country will wake up. when you see how much donald trump hates america, i think people will say that he can't be the president. i don't think it'll be because joe biden is going to be loved and brought in and people are going to kill him a hero but i do believe that they will know what donald trump really is. and we'll -- will -- >> i definitely think joe biden because we have seen time and time again, underestimation, sometimes in the polls, but sometimes just and commentary. of what the american people

will stand up. for how you mentioned democracy. we've been talking about abortion. i loved about him personally but people don't love to love him personally. they could recognize that the choice between them is standing up for democracy and my rights are the alternative. and that, we've seen time and time again, it motivates people to go out. >> this business about meeting to love him or want to go out with a beer for him or all of this nonsense, that's not the year for that. >> it's all at stake this year. that doesn't for us, we had a lot of fun, thanks, really. a lot of gratitude to you, jim, and susan, brother ali, thank you again. remember, politics nation is live each saturday and sunday right here on msnbc. have a wonderful 2024. rful 2024.

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