>> i am ali velshi, fiona welcome you to the velshi banned book club year and meeting. we are about to reach a major milestone. two years. it's been two years of

illuminating conversations with offers. two years of powerful books. two years of reading resistance, there are two major takeaways, the direct attempts to remove books from classrooms and libraries are not slowing down. second, a book could quite literally save a life. i could say more, but today i will let the literature speak for itself. there are two things that encapsulate that truth, quite like the cult classic, the perks of being a wall flower. the perks of being a wall tower follows 15 year old charlie as he navigates high school after a friend's devastating suicide and reckons with the life altering intergenerational trauma. with the help of sam, a magnetic high school senior with an undeserving reputation, and patrick, who is harboring a secret relationship with the quarterback of the football team, charlie finds his footing and finds himself.

i began by asking about his frequent use of 90s references throughout the book, including the song asleep by the smiths. >> i remember the one thing about being young. i wrote the book when i was 26. finish it when i was 28. some music, as we all know, when you are a young person it becomes part of the identity that you forward. you find that book that speaks to you, you find that song, that band, and as you are piecing together this mosaic that ultimately becomes your adult identity -- these cultural zones are everything. and so i was just writing about myself. that in particular, that song, i can tell you how many times that i drove listening to that song. and we met, fantastic individual, it was a real treat to meet him, when his sayings, there's another, world a better world, even though he was thinking about suicide, the music is so beautiful. i didn't take it that way. so that song in the particular line in those lights at the

tunnel, that is forever adolescents for me. >> why is it so universally of such specific references that i understand very well, yet this book, you are coming up to your 25th anniversary on it. what is the answer, why is this book the book that people email us and tell us about that they got dirt hubbard copies of that became a movie that everybody knows about? >> i think for a lot of people, the song itself does not particularly matter. but the listening to it on the drive with those friends, in that moment where you are seeing the lights of the buildings and anything that makes you wonder, if you dream of adolescence is forever, that is universal. and the longing of being young. i've made many movies about this as well in the written about it extensively. that is what it is. the cultural references change, singers change, it doesn't particularly matter but the connection that we feel that those particular people and those particular songs is

forever. it will never change and that goes back hundreds and hundreds of years. you know, when a person first mayday piece of music that brings us closer to everything that makes life worth living. >> one of the things that we talk about with authors who write for young adults is the degree to which they feel like the writing has influenced young people. influences is an important thing but sometimes it saves people. some of them are 15 plus years old, and these are letters from who? >> over the years, as you said, my book was published 24 years ago next month, over the years i received letters from young people that said that they were going to commit suicide, and they read the book, or in some cases the movie, and they found it, and then they decided to choose life, basically. and every time that i go and i talk about whether it is the book, or the movie, or any of

these issues, i bring it with me because i want to remind myself. that is, if you say 5 million copies, lovely, good for me, yay. as an author. it's the people that actually read it. the people that it reached, the people that it, helped because i rooted for my own personal reasons. this book saved me and a lot of ways as i was writing it. then i published it hoping to help people. so i bring these letters to remind myself what it's all about. >> can you read from one of them? >> i will happily read from one of them. this is from a young woman, and it says mr. sure of all ski, i hope that you read this, if not, then whoever is reading it thank you for doing so. i had to write to someone who i didn't know. i get a little info about me is needed to get a mental picture of. me i'm 15, the youngest junior of my school. i'm not one of those popular kids. i've always found refuge among people who actually cared for me and such. i have a younger brother, he

just turned 14, and i have a mom. i used to have a dad, but he died november 5th, 2008. so i guess -- i'll skip her name for her privacy. but really, the point of this is, i can finally say what i've been thinking and feeling. i literally just finished the perks of being a wall flower and it made me think about so many things. it gave me a sense of hope. i was lost and confused for so long when my dad died, and left me to face life alone. things snapped. i started doing things that i wish i never did myself, these cars and burns still show vividly. i am so ashamed because of them, last night i had written letters to the people i love. about how sorry i was that i was leaving them. that i had to because i felt like a burden on everyone around me. that has been 100 days since my dad died, he promised me that he'd see me graduate. that's why i hate prom promises, they're always broken. back to the letters, they sent neatly organized on my dusk, i plan on killing myself today. i was so ready to swallow those

pills, and just let my heart give out, but reading the perks of being a wall tower gave me a reason not to kill myself. it made me think about everything, my favorite part was the last page about being alive in the tunnel. it made me realize that there was a goal for me, i had always gone through life as if i were sleeping, but my goal is to find that moment where i feel like i am actually living. so really, what i am trying to say is thank you for creating such a wonderful book. thank you for giving me a reason and gold keep going. if i hadn't read your book, in one night, i would be cold and dead right now. i write distant pen because i am definite about what i am saying. thank you for giving me the chance to do so. eternally grateful, she says her name which i will not say,, psq think that my dad can see my new termination to keep living? i really hope so. >> wow. so, 5 million books doesn't matter, the movie doesn't matter, that matters? someone is alive because you wrote that book. >> and because she read it. let's give her a lot of credit. >> because she read it and

because she was able to read it because somebody didn't stop her from doing. it full circle to the discussion about why we have a banned book club. why not let somebody read that? why not, isn't that enough evidence that these books should not be banned? >> i couldn't agree more. it is literally a matter of life and death. it's funny, over the years, i've made the american library association list, many many times. and -- >> these are the most banned books? >> yes. i've been asked, history badge of honor? no. to me, it's not. not at all. like, yes i've literally been banned in boston. you know what i mean? i'm not bragging about that. to me, it's all about the nest kid. you never know what, both because perks is just one, of them there are many of them. jon green, up and down the line that reach people. and you never know where the next kid is and when i try to tell parents that are maybe trying to ban the book to the best my ability i would write them letter sometimes if i am told about this early enough to say, look, not every parent has a time and not every parent maybe is as involved in their

kids life as you are. give them a chance. you don't know where that kid is. that is why i thank you for having this club, because i just want to let people know that it is literally a matter of life and death and did take it that seriously. >> where are we right now as you have noticed, we've been banned allot. it seems to be getting worse. >> absolutely. ever since, i would say obviously the pandemic and all of the isolation just put everybody on mental health and alert. many times. it also has hyper charged a lot of anger and vitriol. and people who just want to stamp out ideas that they may not agree with. usually on the right, always on the right, i just like some of

the characters that they are going through. they think on some level, it's a shame that i'm doing it to be titillating or -- no, i'm writing about it because it is a reality and i would much rather a kid find themselves in a book knowing that i really care about their well-being and that i want them to do great. i want them to have a great life. i don't know, it is a shame. i don't know why people are as angry as they are. but to me, the book, the things you were talking about earlier in the show, about the democracy, we all know it. there's so much historical evidence as such, and it is very troubling. >> it's exactly what it is. great to meet you. thank you so much. some of that correspondents with, us we appreciate that. steven is the award-winning author of the book, the perks of being a wall flower. to any members of the velshi banned book club or anyone watching right now, if you are feeling isolated or depressed, are experiencing a crisis of

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year and meeting. our next election is a powerful novel called all of the rivers, it is based on the author real love story, it follows the passionate and doomed love story right here in new york. liodice from israel, he'll meet as from the west bank. we read a book certainly an relevant but never have we covered it but that is so desperately needed. all the reverse masterfully delivers a message that every single one of us needs to hear. we are all human beings. deeply emotional conversations began with a comparison. all the rivers are like temporary romeo and juliet.

>> i believe that it is a tribal instinct that it is the bug that makes the association. not necessarily the tragic ending. it's the fact that these two have loyalties both to one another and to where they belong to. that is the conflict that they have within them. >> back in 2004 you rudy beautiful tribute to her son herenda, the inspiration for hill me in the guardian called the exiles return. and your words, nearly two decades later, is pertinent as ever. let me please quote from it. i prayed and i still pray for a modest, lukewarm, mediocre piece. while you dreamed of harmonious, utopian john lennon reconciliation. i insisted repeatedly that the crisis of hatred and suspicion between the two peoples was too deep and tragic for such a

dream come true. you mocked me and said i had a little faith. that i was restricting the horizon of my thinking and quote. what has changed since then. >> i no longer have my muse with me to witness, perhaps ask him if he would be ready to compromise on a more modest solution. but i do believe that time will have done for justice with him as well, with acknowledging that a modest option would've been more sustainable. >> one particularly poignant part of all of the rivers again and again where leon and kill me referred to israel in the west bank respectively as home, and not by the actual names of the places, and ask you about the significance of that because we are in this moment

where names and what you call places has become such a flash point. >> i do believe that this state is, should and is a destiny of us both nations to share. we should coexist side by side, and what we were facing today, is this army, proxy army of iran that is may bring us from the south. and it threatens this deal side by side. and what we aspire, let's say the more mediocre, more -- i'm very emotional these days, and -- >> that's okay. i understand. i do know that we have allies in the west bank. i know we have alison goslyn. i know that we have allies in

the arab world. there are silent and we need to reach out to them. we have to have cooperation from within the region. but we need support from the world to have it be, to have it start, to initiate again this operation for hope and the aspiration for peace because by that, we go against what hamas is asking to have. they are asking to pull the israeli army within gaza. this one was inevitable due to the fact that this was their ambition. and by the fact that this was their ambition supporting their ambition, would be trying to have a mutual state. but i do trust that this travesty, this horrendous event hug made people who were more

extreme to come more to the center. to be more compromised and. there is no peace treaty in the past history of humankind that was meth out compromises. and we should be compromising. and we shifted aim for a compromise solution. >> i understand the depth of your motion. maybe this is an emotional story before what happened on october 7th. the story that you've written is deeply emotional. it's something we should all read within the context of what has happened. i do want to talk about your depiction of new york city. new york is much more than just a backdrop for we ought and helmy's relationship. so almost as if they couldn't have fallen in love anywhere else in the way that your book is set up. new york neutrality is almost magical, or surreal. talk to me about the story, a live story about two people who are raised so close to one another and yet, found each other ending up so far away. >> so true.

new york offers a service ground that allows the palestinians and israelis to see each other equally. and to explore one another identity. at the same time, to explore themselves nearing, reflected by the other. and studying the others from within. much deeper and much authentically, how much bruises they carry, how many stereotypes that they bring from home. how forceful those powers of educations that form the identity and the outline of who they consider themselves to be. and this is a huge gesture to know the others from within and to allow yourself to get near

these stereotypes near all of those harmful interests that to make us a multitude. we are individuals, and this is only literature that can allow us to see each other as individuals. this is a grand gesture that people do, for reading books to be given the chance to see a particular person, a specific person, and to see how much we were trapped in this sack of nationalistic powers that mold who we are ourselves, and who we consider the other to be, and think of the immense time, and the life experience, the imagination that you invest in knowing the other from within, while reading a book that depicts the other so

intimately. and this is another subject in the book, the intimacy and the approximate t, and this is the main, perhaps center of what we are going through in the past five weeks. it's how near we are, how close the geographically, and how undeniably palestinians and israelis share in common than in different. it's the temperament, the humor, there's something living under this side, and enjoying so much of this beautiful earth. and this emotional landscape is reflected within the relationship and what we are trying to say is that there should be a borderline, of who you are and who i am in this is why i've been demonstrating

crying out loud, being such a vocal activist for p's, with the two state solution because mayberry should follow what benjamin franklin had said so law well. saying that good fences make good neighbors. we should have a very clear, foundry, knowing where i, and you begin when i and you, and this is symbiotic, unsolved existence, it's perhaps the bigger source of all our agonies up until today. >> thank you to her for the author and the emotional conversation. next, we will open the cover of a classic that so many have compared her book to. i'm talking about william shakespeare's famous masterpiece romeo and juliet. you are watching the special year end meeting of the velshi

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year and meeting of the velshi banned book club. i am ali velshi. -- two feuding families whose children fought enough. romeo and juliet either feelings on their parents because they know that the relationship would be forbidden. it's no surprise that each generation has been finding an adaptation of romeo and juliet. from an iconic movie to bra ways west side story, perhaps, the traditional and, at least for students in florida, who will only be assigned to read excerpts of the play under governor ron desantis prohibitive education legislation. i spoke with two romeo and juliet experts, professor -- of harvard university and professor duncan, resource carlo and dean oxford university about its enduring relevance. >> i think because shakespeare has such tremendous sympathy,

one of the things he changes about his sources that he blames the parents. we think of the teenager as something that is the product of the 1960s, and that generation, but in fact, i'll say, he invents the teenager. lots of people, maybe until now, encounter the play as teenagers, and after that, i think that something wonderfully nostalgic by the idea i love, which means that this is a play we return joy returning to,. >> professor wilson, let's talk about the balcony scene. it's probably the most famous scene in english literature. i read the first few lines of it. but soft, what light through yonder window breaks? it is the east, and julia is the sun. talk to me about that moment in the prey, and or as made that seem iconic? >> romeo and juliet are

embroiling controversy, this controversy in florida, there was controversy in 1968 with the film, but the biggest controversy is that the word balcony never appears a detective romeo and juliet. to me, there is not a more iconic associated moment of the play, arguably in all of shakespeare, then the balcony scene in romeo and juliet. it speaks to the way that we, as the audience, will project what we do with shakespeare's tax back on to shakespeare's intent. >> i like that. doctor duncan, one member of the al evil she banned book club roe's reaction to romeo and juliet. quote, my biggest concern with the play was always the glorification of suicide for unrequited love. these are two young teens kept apart by the parents who chose to kill themselves rather than be a part. i always thought that there needed to be a serious discussion of why shakespeare made that the ending, as if suicide is a solution to any

problem, of course not, he says in parentheses -- and how young hearts heal and things really do get better. your take on the? >> i think it's such an important point. too often, i think that the romeo and juliet story is used to tactics ideas about love. love hurts, you need to fight for a love, turning against everyone you have known before is romantic, but i think the idea that the play glorify suicide is because of how film and production is presented. if you read the play, the ending is not romantic, it's a mess. julia kills herself a panic, because she's been upended by her confidant. she does not want to become a non, and the reason the lovers kill themselves is because i think is very much to show, for shakespeare, showing the

parents how senseless and terrible the cost of their feud is. it's not a glorification of the romance, it's the consequences of the census feud between the families. >> jeff, your take on that. >> i think -- sorry -- >> romeo and juliet ask, to me, for questions. the first is, is the love of romeo and juliet something to pursue or to avoid. second is, how do we as parents handle our children from subjects that we can control and protect too soft determinate-ing adults who are frequently horny? and third, what happens with children with poor skills of a much of problem solving, a suffolk ox about, having easy access to lethal weapons. for this, what are the prospects for social reform after partisan politics lead to the death of children? >> well said.

doctor duncan, in your book, and i wanto for it with what you said. you said it was a romantic ending, it was a mess. and your book, searching for julia, you know that julia dies because, quote, a series of bad decisions made by man, romeo coast highball, which leads to his banishment. her father emotionally abuses her and accelerates her to a marriage. these events prompt prior lawrence's chaotic and ultimately derailed plan. that is a, this is not a typical reading of romeo and juliet. >> no, but i think it's a reading that shakespeare's first audiences would have understood that, and i think jeffries point is excellent, which is, is this a lot of that is to be pursued or avoid it, and for many reasons, shakespeare would have understood, this is a lot of which is to be avoided.

they don't know each other. the families are not functioning on well, and when they wrote the play, to be ready for marriage, you had to be having, thinking and functioning as an adult. since neither romeo nor julia is your capable of behaving that way. they end up, rather than becoming a proper married couple and pursuing a real marriage, they end up being buffeted, and julia in particular, by the decisions of the men around them. juliette is so sheltered, this is a girl who only leaves her parents house to go to church. this is a girl who does not seem to know anybody in her city. she is painfully isolated, and i think this is a kind of reading before romance. the play was always hugely successful in shakespeare's day, but i think it was understood

far more as a tragedy and shocking play rather than a vision of any kind of aspirational love story. >> jeff, one particularly memorable moment from the play is a warning from fryer or aunts to romeo. these violent delights have violent and, and into triumph, die like fire and powder. as they consumed the sweetest honey, it's lonesome in its own deliciousness, and the taste compounds the appetite. therefore, love moderately, love long dot so, to swat arise as party as too slow. okay, not only is this really the crux of the play, don't ask compulsively for love, the language is kind of amazing to, jeff. >> moderation was one of the ideals of renaissance ethics, so the idea, don't be too hot, don't be too cold, don't be too fresh, don't be too slow. shakespeare, as he discussed,

is adapting this play from an earlier attacks by arthur brooks some 30 or 40 years earlier. he takes a romance at the tops of the course of a year and crunches it down into three days. so, the speed with which romeo and juliet fall in love with each other draws people to question whether or not this is genuine love, could be genuine love, because romeo is just coming off disappear a terrible breakup that he had yesterday with russell in, and now, he's had over here some of with julia. but when you see the moments, see the boundaries, see the poetry between romeo and juliet, it's really hard not to get wrapped up with the passion that they express for each other, the sincerity of the happiness that they find in each other. so there is this tension mounting, asking, what does it mean to love moderately, that is tied up with which the speed that they fall in love. >> thank you to our shakespearean expert, professor

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the velshi banned book club caucus yet? if not, scan this code on your screen. it's full of amazing conversations with award winning authors and in-depth examinations of truly life-changing literature, including the hand mates tailed by margaret atwood. i'll take any opportunity to revisit my conversation with margaret atwood, as it becomes more and more relevant with each passing day, especially this part. i read a note from the though she banned book club that ended with a question about the future of the united states. quote, will the fundamentalists win, and quote. here is what margaret atwood told me. >> they won quite a bit politically, but that is not the same as winning in the

sense of coming up with unacceptable, viable form of christianity, that the people could see as actually being about what jesus was teaching. love your neighbor, how much of that do you see amongst the people who purport to be fundamentalist christians. they are not doing a lot of neighbors loving. subscribe to the velshi banned book podcast, to get the rest of that conversation with margaret atwood, plus, we're coming out with a season to very soon. you won't want to miss a minute of it. more velshi banned book club here and meeting coming up. and meeting coming up it's comeback season. welcome back to the special

year and meeting of the velshi banned book club. our next title has been heralded as one of the great contemporary young adult novels of our time. the hate you give centers around 16-year-old star

jackson. stars put down the middle between her mostly white prep school and our predominantly black home life. after witnessing the murder of her childhood friend in the hands of a police officer, facing pressure, to testify before a grand jury, the star to world begin to emerge with the questions of justice, identity and equality. and of course, it's a coming of age story. star navigates the place of her halls in high school, navigating her first love and friendships, and ways that we have seen before. thomas masterfully uses the familiarity of troops in first person perspectives to tell a much more nuanced story. i began my conversation with the author angie thomas on one of the most persistent themes in the hit you give, bravery. >> bravery is one of the constants that feels bigger than it actually is, especially for young people. when you think of bravery, they may think of superheroes or something like that, but, sometimes, bravery, the best bravery is found in smallest

acts. sometimes, it means the pay of your comfort zones. sometimes, bravery is, i am shaking and trembling, but i am not sure what to do is right. i think a lot of, time some people think that, oh, my heroes are people who have changed history. that's not true. i am sure that there were plenty of times that dr. king was terrified, but he kept going. i wanted to, kind of like what you're saying earlier, if there is any fast food, hopefully, the reader will cherish it. take their time with the. it's about breaking something down and saying, hey, sometimes, it's taking one step at a time and doing something that terrifies you. >> the unusual nature of the book club, it's a news program. while you're here, i want to talk about the moment that star owes on the news to recount khalil's murder. the factual news anchor asked star how she feels about the medias portrayal of the murder, quote, it seems like they

always want to talk about what he may have set, what he may have done, what he may have not done. i don't know how a person could be charged in his own order. i believe the news program as used as a vehicle to help storm or gain her voice, but this is a real critique of news coverage of police brutality. it's not the only media reference in the book either. with talk a little bit about the. you're making a point here, that, historically, the news has gone after the victim quite often. >> oh, absolutely, and not just the victim. they've gone after the witnesses. i remember when i was working on the heat you get, if i routinely thought not just of trayvon martin but his best friend, rachel, on the phone with him at the time of his murder. i remember there were so many people criticizing this young lady with how she spoke, in term instead of listening to what she was saying. she was not in college, she

spoke how she spoke. yeah, there were people coming at her. and then i remember, there was a lot of talk about, what kind of kid was trevon. he got in trouble, this, this and this. making him looking a certain way in the photo, i was thinking, what does that have to do with him? why is it that the only talk about young black men, suddenly, you know, they are not victims, there is something that they did wrong. they are looking for reasons to justify their death. the media, honestly, is guilty of doing this. i see more things about these young black man in the records than i do of what happened in the last moments. we have to sit back and wonder, why is that? >> why is that? why is that? is it because we don't listen enough? because we get our information from police because of institutionalized racism? what conclusions as usual?

>> my conclusion is that this is unfortunately a tale as long as this is old as this country. in fact, to go back to reference and other book of mine, concrete roads, a pickle to hate you give, about stars maverick. there's a line in there, where this man tells young maverick that, sometimes, for blackmon, it's easier to not see them as human to justify brutality that is done to them. and for me, as an author, one of the things our towards is the dehumanizing of young black people, humanizing young black people, because so often, this country has the humanized. this is a tale as old as time, as part of the dehumanization. it's so ingrained in us, so ingrained in our media, so ingrained in society and laws, that at some point, we have to take the blinders off of ourselves and say, wait a minute, what is going on here. as an author, my goal is to

humanize. it feels like it is always happening. you go back to every movement for black people in this country, dehumanization is at the core of it. of course, it translates in the media as well. >> that's a lesson for us all to take to her and try to make sure that we do our hardest to change it. you explore community throughout the book. i want to read a book, star calls the neighbor out. i get that just about in the neighborhood right now. it's a simple way to let people know that they got my back, and. it's more complicated by stars doing community. she's got a school's community. you really explored both. she's a part of both, and then they come into contact. tell me a bit about that. >> that was taken from my own life. i grew up in jackson, mississippi. i grew up in my mom's house in mississippi. i grew up in jackson, mississippi, and i lived in a

neighborhood called george town, mostly black and poor. every time you heard about your son and the news, it was for the wrong reasons. i went to a school called bill hayden, a mostly white, upper class private school, in a very affluent area. i thought myself being two different people into different worlds very, very often. i don't think, a lot of people understand the duality of being a black person in america, time specifically, if you are from a certain type of community, and you find yourself in a different environment, such as a private school or something like that. who i was in my neighborhood, when i cut it at my school. i often had to code switch so that people would not make judgment about me. so the people would not say, oh, she's the ghetto girl, the angry black girl, because those assumptions and stereotypes are so prevalent, that if i stepped out of line in one simple way,

suddenly, i've written off their assumptions by me. this is what a lot of black kids, especially, in this country face. they often have to change. not just kids, adults to, because i still deal with it. if i were to get on here right now, and i start talking like i talk to minor but hood. there are going to be people watching me right now, she's, oh, oh, oh. i don't want us to think about, i wish we can do more is consider what people are saying, as opposed to how people are saying. some intelligent people from my own neighborhood, i know, speak in a certain way. you can easily write them off. if you pay attention to what they're saying, colored something yourself. that duality is tough. it's a challenge, and that is something i don't know personally. it's up into a lot of black americans deal with on a daily basis, and i want to show the young people, hey, you deal with this, but at the end of the day, you define yourself,

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