mullahs who are killing us. my mom would be proud of me. >> there is no doubt about that. masih alinejad says in the new year, her goal is to take her message directly to the white house and meet with president biden. if you want to help this morning, consider giving to the national multiple sclerosis society, maternity care coalition or the committee to protect journalists. that is all for today. thank you so much for watching. we want to wish you a very merry christmas. we'll be back next week, because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." amid big questions over donald trump's ballot eligibility, is there any question that he engaged in an insurrection? if courts don't hold him accountable in 2024, will voters

hold him accountable at the ballot box? plus, our friend andrew weissman joins in. also today, a one-on-one conversation with the u.s. surgeon general. the doctor is here to discuss loneliness, social media and mental health around the holidays. and then the exit interview. i will ask what she learned and what concerns her most about what comes next. so it's the holiday season, and the time for reflection, the chance to take stock of the year that is coming to a close and to put this moment into perspective. one of the things i am thinking about right now, cuffly ten months out from what could be the most consequential election

of our lifetime. if voters were to head to the polls tomorrow to vote in the 2024 general election, the issues that would be front and center would be things like the lack of enthusiasm for young voters for president biden, and fears that people won't show up at the polls. the threat of a second trump term to abortion rights and democracy and the rule of law. the fact that most americans feel the economy is getting worst even as it's actually getting better and despite what the data tells them, or the teflon-like nature of donald trump. in colorado when the court through his eligibility into question, raising huge constitutional questions, and his allies and rivals alike still largely rush to his defense, and voters will not

head to the polls tomorrow, as it's christmas, but they will in ten months. the iraq war and the stock market crashed and the economy was the most driving issue that fall. let me tell you, i was working on the obama campaign for that whole time. the prediction that -- that never would have been the prediction ten months in advance. previous elections have certainly taught us there can be issues that were not on the radar, and issues that bubble up late and change the course of history. as we have a brief pause for the

holidays, it's worth considering, what could happen that could weigh on the electorate that could affect the next ten months. joining me are two people that can help to answer the question. tim miller for jeb bush's 2016 campaign. you both have done a lot of presidential elections and campaigns, and i want to start with you. obama's -- you were, of course, the manager of obama's re-election campaign. what is on your mind right now, and what is on the mind of democrats that they are not talking about that they should be. let's start there. >> thanks. this is a nice psychological session -- >> it's what i am here for. >> exactly. they wouldn't be but there are things that really concern me, and it's the possibility of the third party.

the third-party ballots -- jen, you know these numbers, we win arizona by 11,000 votes, and some of the numbers are really scary. i think people flirting with third party ballots don't understand they are playing into donald trump's hands here. that's one of the things that keeps me up at night. you know what doesn't keep me up at night, jen? the polls. everybody just needs to take a deep breath and realize joe biden has been led or has been tied in 15 national polls, including leading in ten of them. polling this far out does not matter at all, so let's talk about things we can control like thursday party ballot access. >> that's a good one. and predictions are so

predictive. what should people be talking about more than they are not and freaking out about less? >> yeah, well, i hope we're not having a stock market crash or a pandemic coming down the pike here. >> i went a little dark there. >> you know, you mentioned some of the young voters. i think this is over baked right now in particular. we could talk about the region, and there's tragedy happening in israel and gaza right now, and the idea that this is going to be the top of mind issue next november is quite unlikely, and a lot of these young voters have not engaged about what donald trump's would look like there. jena third party candidate that is appealing to young voters is more concerning than if there's

a two way. i think there's a lot of conversation right now about whether or not nikki haley can make a surge in new hampshire, and one thing people are talking about is i don't think there's any reason to think nikki haley will oppose donald trump next year, and what could democrats do? what could the biden campaign do to peel off 20% of the people that vote for nikki haley, and those are gettable voters and a lot of folks are not thinking about that because they are thinking about the context of the republican vote. >> for you, mussina, you are a big advocate for president biden being re-elected, and this is a game -- not a game but a form of

therapy for you who has done so much in politics, and so what is it, going after that haley vote for something else? >> it's going straight to donald trump and driving the message, driving the contrast between the candidates. jen, you and i went through this in 2012, and in 2011 obama had to talk about his record and say this is what i have done, and that's what joe biden is doing. we were behind in the polls the whole time until we drove a contrast with mitt romney, and the moment we drew that contrast we started moving in the polls. my beginning of the year wish is just a straight contrast between donald trump and joe biden. tim is right about one thing. donald trump is going to be the nominee, and voters have not figured that out yet, and they think we are different candidates. we are where we are and we are going to have a straight ballot

choice and the more the campaign can drive that the better their poll numbers will be. >> you have talked on this show and your podcast about how your democrats don't seem to sing off the same song sheet, and that's not always how it works, and is that the thing you wish democrats would do more? what is the effective message you would like to hear them to win over the swing voters or moderate republicans that are not going to support trump? >> yeah, i would like to see somebody out there being the hammer, and maybe mussina can do it. joe, that's not his nature, and that's why he was elected because he was, you know, going to unite the country. he could use somebody out there driving this contrast for him, and that's what one of the things i would like to see democrats doing next year.

we discussed the haley point, and can we win over mike pence maybe to not vote for trump, or chris christie, you know, who could be recruited to be a surrogate. if you could peel some of the folks back on the abortion issue, and it's always about turning out suburban women and young voters, and it could work with some of the college men that are not ready to be dads yet, and trying to tamp trump's margin down there is something i would like to see next year. >> this is this debate as to what would be the biggest driver to help president biden? do you think it's abortion and abortion rights? is it democracy? a combination or something else? >> i think it's abortion, and

the voters tim was just talking about. i am obsessed with the obama/trump voters, and it's abortion for the first time in modern memory the republican party is taking away a fundamental right from voters and the palpable anger about that. and people like whitmer have made amazing messages, and it's not just about abortion but it's an economic choice. driving that in the midwest would be the one thing that we have got to do. if you look at women swing voters and the younger men who are ticket splitting, they are movable on the issue. >> tim, i think that's an interesting -- and whitmer talks about it on a personal level, and so tim we saw the ruling in colorado disqualifying trump from the ballot on the state, and there's a lot of focus on

what the courts are going to do, and just on the politics, how does it affect trump in the long run? they are trying to whip it up. what do you think the best counter argument is to whip it up on the trump side? >> well, everything helps trump narrative, and that drives me crazy. in the short-term it clearly does help him in the primary because it's a rally around the orange man defense that happens among the republican base, and the primary is already over in my estimation. what about the swing groups we have been talking about? how can never trumpers, democrats, and how can we reach the voters and make a case to them, whatever you think about the ruling in colorado supreme court, do we want a man that could be disqualified because he attempted an insurrection.

we talk about this stuff every day here, and a lot of the swing voters have not been thinking about january 6th much since january 6th. and trying to peel off an additional percentage of the college educated swing vote, republican vote by talking about this issue is meaningful. >> jim, tim, you have given us a lot to think about and mull over through the holiday season. maybe some direction for next year as well, and thank you both for joining me this afternoon. coming up next, new concerns about trump's plan if he takes back the white house. we're back after a quick break. k get 6x longer-lasting freshness, plus odor protection. try for under $5! i got this $1,000 camera for only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this

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by now you're probably pretty familiar with the numerous criminal cases facing donald trump, and we will continue to follow all of them. what is also important to follow is what donald trump plans to do

if he takes back the white house. trump vowed to use the justice department to go after joe biden and anybody else he perceives as a political enemy. it's not just rhetoric. there are plans being made to carry out his wishes. there's project 2025, among them invoking the insurrection act that would have the military serve as law enforcement. when you consider a trump doj who be used to enforce the dictatorship. andrew, thank you so much for joining me. i think it's so important to understand how this would actually work, because you hear

so much rhetoric, and you worked in the department of justice and are familiar with what happened there, when we envisioned trump being back in the white house, and for a moment how could he exactly direct the doj to go after people he perceives to be his enemies? >> this is an important topic for people to really focus on what is going to happen. not what could happen, but what is going to happen. the way i look at it, let's look at what he did when he was the president. first, if you are thinking they are going to be investigations into corruption within his administration, that's a nonstarter. why? because he's not going to be appointing like special counsel mueller, and as we know from what he did as president, he will not cooperate with any congressional investigation, he will just strong arm those and not comply with subpoenas. that's one thing sort of off the

table. then there's the question of how he's going to weaponize the doj to go after the enemies. look at john durham. he brought two separate criminal cases where he managed to get 24 jurors to unanimously agree that he presented his case, and that meant they had to go through the investigation, and all of the hardship to vindicate their names. if you think john durham was a real injustice. that's the tip of the iceberg that we could expect from a new department of justice under donald trump. >> one of the things that liz

cheney talks about in her book and since is this possibility or plan that he could nominate those that could not be affirmed but then appoint them as acting. what does that mean? you have an acting attorney general that is a political appointee of trump? >> we don't know what the senate will look like either. there could be people like sidney powell or rudy giuliani who are confirmed, but if you have somebody who is there as an acting, one, they are also more beholden to the president, and that's why i think you saw so many acting positions on donald trump when he was president, and they can do exactly what a confirmed person can do. there's no difference in terms of their powers. it allows a certain senate con

sirmation process for a time period. remember, donald trump talked about getting rid of the civil service, so that the so-called deep state, his view, those people who are adhering to their oaths of offices can be eradicated. >> i never thought about how they could cycle people through, and the other piece, and you have talked about it and i talked about it, and it's pardon power. there's certain historic traditions but not limitations that people might think there are in the law, and how concerned are you about trump using pardon power that would reward people to help him, and there are not checks in the system needed as we think about it? >> well, the pardon power is one where you see the flaw in the

way the constitution was written, because i don't think they imagined an executive that would use that power to essentially encourage crimes, and say if you do this crime for me i will then pardon you. it's really the monopoly get out of jail free card. trump talked about using that. he's already at the end of his administration given pardons that, you know, make these -- bill clinton, at the end of his administration pales in comparison, and donald trump's criminal liability, he might use people that would thwart -- >> we didn't mean to scare people on christmas eve, and it's important to understand all of these pieces.

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things in congress that changed for the better since you have been in washington? >> with a small d, it's far more democratic. when i entered the congress it was -- you know, you knew that you were to be rather quiet and pay attention to the elders. there were a lot more strictures to the congress, and a lot more opportunity and a lot more minorities and women in the caucus. it's changed. i think it has changed for the better. >> that's a good note of light in a dark time. california's -- >> it is. >> we have to have those too, right? >> you have not been afraid to push for accountability for big

tech, which is really impressive given where you represent, and you recently said, how especially social media would be used for disinformation, misinformation and what young children are exposed to. what do you wish could be done to put the tooth paste back if the tube, which is not possible. when it comes to big tech and the impact it has had on the country and the world, really? >> i think we made a mistake many, many years ago. i understand what we were thinking and why we did what we did at the time because the internet was really nasent then, and we had the communications act, and they were not made

liable for anything. that was a mistake. that was a mistake. as you said, it very difficult -- you can't get the genie back in the bottle, and it's a struggle to change that now. but there really needs to be accountability. we have seen that with many american industries, american automobile industries and an industry we are all so proud of, but there has to be accountability in terms of safety measures and others with them. that needs to be brought to the technology industry. i don't think that it's going to slow them down in terms of their innovation. i really don't. i think they are here to stay, and i am proud of -- you know, all the positives that the industry has brought about, but there are areas that are harmful. they should be, and they can be addressed.

>> i think a lot of people would agree with you on both sides of the aisle, which is a interesting development over the last couple of years. >> and what is your biggest tech regret, and you talked about the failure to strike an agreement on comprehensive immigration reform. why is that something -- i mean, i think that's something on the minds of so many people in this country and many from the democratic party, but more broadly. why was that the answer to your question? >> first, we would not be the nation we are without being an immigrant nation, and immigrants play a very important role in the technology industry. so many come to the united states to be educated here. we have the finest colleges and universities, and certainly stanford university with the geographic center of my district, and once they are educated, if they cannot get a green card, they have to leave.

so immigration is really part of the threshold, the entrance to the industry, the industry depends on immigration as well, so that, i think, i think they were surprised when they interviewed me and that that was my answer. >> i was was, too. i thought it was an interesting answer and very thought provoking. before i let you go, i want to ask you, nancy pelosi is one of your closest friends in congress, and what is the one thing that people do not know about her? >> oh, how very sweet she is. how very sweet. and that she has the best giggle in the world. a great sense of humor. yeah, uh-huh. >> that's a good one. very sweet and a giggle, and seeing how tough shes that would warm peoples' arts.

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when we think of the holiday season, we think of time with family, we think of themes like joy, gratitude and reflection, and for many americans it can trigger sadness or grief, and it can be a very lonely time. in a recent survey 61% of respondents said they expected to experience sadness or loneliness, and this year we have seen a shift in the conversation around loneliness. more prominent voices are speaking about the epidemic of loneliness we are seeing across the country, and one of them is the u.s. surgeon general which spent much of the year sounding the alarm on this issue, and he deemed it an urgent public issue that could increase the risk of premature death. joining me now to talk more

about this is the u.s. surgeon general. i would just say that when i first read the op-ed, i wanted to talk to you about this. it sparked something in so many people, and i just reread it. you said, quote, i largely neglected my friendships during my tenure, convincing myself that i had to focus on work and couldn't do more. after my job ended i felt ashamed to reach out to friends i ignored and it felt as if i was the only one that felt that way, and loneliness, like depression can chip away at yourself esteem. that's what happened to me. that struck me so much because i think so many people relate to that. i certainly did and don't talk about it. you wrote that back in the

spring. how has that changed you? >> i am so glad we are talking about this, because the experience of loneliness is a incredibly common one. we don't talk about it because we feel a sense of shame, somehow if we feel lonely we are not likeable, and i never told my parents even though i knew they loved me dearly, and i experienced it has an adult, too. digging into it and understanding the issue from a scientific issue, and the numbers are higher among young people and to address it we have to make building a social connection a priority in our lives. right now we live work-centered lives and we have to shift

towards people-centered lives. >> i feel like you are giving a lot of people something to strive for in the new year. the holidays can be especially an isolating time. i think the pressure not to talk about loneliness is reflective for so many people during the holiday season. you launched the five for five connection challenge, and it calls on americans to take five actions to build more connections in their lives. it feels so simple which is why it stuck out to me. what a is simple step? the people out there right now that are worried about the holiday season, what can they do? >> simple steps can make a big difference in how connected we feel. here's something you can consider after the holidays. number one, recognize if you are feeling lonely and isolated, you are not the only one, there are many people struggling with this. and just spending 15 minutes a day reaching out to people we

care about, and it could be sending a message to an old friend, calling your mother or sibling. these can make a huge difference and how connected you feel over time. and the third thing is to realize when we help other people that turns out that helps us to feel more connected. service can be helping a co-worker struggling on a rough day, or checking in on a friend that lost their loved one, or checking in on a neighbor. these small things can help us rebuild the social fabric of our lives. >> what about the moments in between the 15 minutes? even if you do the 15 minutes twice a day, what are the things you can encourage people from their own life, or just your experience as a doctor that would you encourage people to do? >> this is something i recently encouraged college students to do, and it was an eye-opening tour, and one of the

universities that i went to, i went to a university with tens of thousands of units, and 80% of them said they were in need of social connection in their life. and another university said loneliness and isolation was a key reason students were coming in. and for the next five days we want you to make one active kebtion a day, and that could be extending support or expressing gratitude or asking for help yourself. this could take 30 to 60 seconds to do, and we do it in the room with the students there, and it can be powerful to feel connected. this morning i got up and had a few minutes before my kids woke up, and i just sat there for a couple minutes, and i thought about some people in my life that i was grateful for, and it

was just a reminder to me that sometimes we are more connected than we think, and those moments of gratitude help us to remember those important to our life. >> it's such a good reminder that it doesn't have to be hours a day. the flip side of this is something people should avoid. when you and i served together, you put out alerts on social media, and what should people avoid? >> i sympathize with this. just the other day i got a call from a dear friend who was my best friend in middle school whose mother suddenly passed a way, and she was deeply worried she would feel isolated and alone over the holidays, and this is what i encourage you to think. i would encourage you to

remember that when you feel lonely, sometimes you almost feel like withdrawing further from other people, and in that moment asking for help from a friend or family member is okay to do. we often may open the door for conversation that they may need as well, and recognize some of our friends are also struggling with a sense of isolation and loneliness. and prioritizing your relationships in this way, making time for people each and every day, that's necessary for your health and well-being. we found in a recent advisory i issued on loneliness, when people struggle with feeling lonely and disconnected, it raises their risk of depression and anxiety and heart disease and premature death and dementia. it's important for all of us to stay connected to one another.

it's something we should be building our schools and work places around. people don't perform as well in the workplace. our connections matter as individuals and as a society. >> such an important thing to remember. also, you are a parent and i am a parent, and it's important to remember in terms of how we are guiding and teaching our children. thank you for joining me. we will share your op-ed and all the incredible pieces of guidance you are offering out there. >> i appreciate it. one quick thing, when it comes to technology, this is a double-edged sword for us, and times on social media doesn't always mean we are fostering greater connections, and it can dilute the quality of our connections with one another. if you can opt to take a few

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you may know him from the show "queer eye." bobby berk was one of the fab five to helped change the lives of those across the country. in november, he announced he'd be leaving the show after the eighth season. bobby also has a new book out, one that explores home design, organization, and even mental health. i had the opportunity to sit down with him recently to talk about the book, his upbringing, and why he sees our homes as such an important part of how we live. >> so you have this amazing book. i read through the whole thing, "right at home with bobby berk." i learned a lot about your childhood and how you really got started. >> yes. >> you had your first realization about how design makes you feel when you were only 5 years old. >> yeah, 5 or 6 years old. it was my bedroom that my mom decorated in all red.

i couldn't articulate that it gave me anxiety, but there was something about a red bedspread, curtains, red pillows, red fire trucks. that was the theme, fire engine red. >> common for the mother of a 5-year-old. >> yeah, 5-year-old boy in missouri. i didn't -- it wasn't zen. it did not relax me. i saved up all my little birthday checks, you know, $20 checks from my aunts, uncles, and grandparents, and i went out and talked my mom into letting me buy a new bedspread, curtains, and rug, and it was all in shades of blue. even as a child, i didn't understand the power of it, but, you been consciously, i understood. i didn't know why i was doing it, but i understood changing my space made me feel better. changing the colors that surrounded me, for me, someone who struggles with anxiety, made me feel better. so this book, i feel like, has been a lifetime coming. >> as a teenager, you talk about this in the book, too, and you've been open about this, you slept in your car. you had a period of time where

you didn't have a home you went home to every day. >> yeah. >> how did that impact your future and your life and career as a designer? >> you know, i think as a designer, it really impacted the way i feel about home. you know, i don't think of home as just some place that needs to be pretty. home, first of all, is somewhere that makes me feel safe. you know, for a while, i didn't have that feeling of safety. so there's a couple pages in the book, it's a workbook, and it literally has little blanks for you to fill in. one of them is, "the last time i felt safe was." or "the last thank made me feel safe was." it's something that cultivates a sense of safety. i want you to start thinking about the way your space makes you feel and not just the way it looks. >> it really struck me, to that point, you talk about how everyone's home should be their own mental wellness retreat. >> yes. >> i love that phrase. what do you mean by that exactly? >> so your home should be something that really recharges

you. you know, if you want to think of it as your phone charger, you know, if you don't plug your phone in at night, forget to plug it in, or the cord has a short, the phone doesn't make it through the day. it goes kaput. >> that's stressful. >> it's the same for you. your home needs to be a place that fills up your cup, that charges your battery. the way to do that is not just by making it look like some magazine or the way i should tell you. that's the whole point of this book. democratizing design and helping you realize it is not about what anybody else tells you, it's how your home makes you feel. only you know the feeling. >> another topic of the book is mental health. >> yes. >> happiness, cluttering and the impact of that. why did you think talking about mental health and linking it to design was so important? >> i think mental health has been stigmatized, obviously, for years. you know, if you have a physical ailment, you go to the doctor and get it fixed. if it is a mental ailment, for some reason, that's thought of

as a weakness. often, it's not talked about. there's this phrase, it starts at home. it really does start at home. it starts at home with the way your home looks, feels, organization of the matter, you know, even mental health wise with sleeping. there's a whole chapter in there about prepping your room and your space in your home for better sleep if you're having problems with sloping. it was really important to me to help people think about the correlation of mental health and design. >> we are in washington, d.c. we can literally see the capitol. it is a city addicted to busy, which many cities are. people say, "i don't have time for this." >> yeah. >> "i'm so stressed out. i have so many things on my plate." what's the argument for five minutes of decluttering or organizing every day. or what is the right amount of time? >> in a city like this where you're always on the go and you're almost chastised for taking time for yourself, i feel like those are the spots and

moments that are even more important to take those few moments, to make sure your home is a mental health sanctuary. >> even if you are a member of congress or working on a political campaign, supreme court justices. >> yes. >> your mental health -- not that everyone's mental health isn't important, but especially people who have severely mentally taxing jobs like that. they need to be able to focus on the problems at hand. they need to think about these things more than anyone, i would say. >> bobby berk, always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> such a thoughtful conversation with bobby berk. i'm grateful for his time. his new book is "right at home. how good design is good for the mind." we'll be right back after a quick break. a better plan is verizon. it starts at 25 dollars a line. (dad) did you say 25 dollars a line? (sister) and save big on things we love, like netflix and max! (dad) oh, that's awesome (mom) spaghetti night -- dinner in 30 (dad) oh, happy day! (vo) a better plan to save is verizon.

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