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thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. happy holidays. happy almost 2024. it will soon be three years
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since donald trump's efforts to overthrow the 2020 election culminated in a violent mob storming the u.s. capitol. for a few weeks trump was an outcast. a political comeback seemed far-fetched, almost impossible to imagine. and yet thanks to his allies in congress and the maga movement, donald trump has emerged here at the end of 2023 not merely a rehabilitated politician but as the undisputed leader of his party. now, trump began this year as the prohibitive favorite for the republican presidential nomination. even in january he had a monster 20-point national lead over his closest rival, florida's governor ron desantis. and in the months since, trump's lead has only widened. at this point a rematch against joe biden appears almost inevitable. and yet while trump's march towards the republican nomination this year was mostly interrupted, there has been for the last 12 months an "x" factor
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he has had to contend it, a series of criminal investigations. as the year began trump was the subject of criminal cases in new york and georgia as well as two separate federal investigations led by the recently appointed special counsel, jack smith. remember when this year began we were all talking about whether the former president would be indicted. it was definitely not a sure thing. and it was a long time coming. but then as spring turned to summer, it rained indictments. >> we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> we have one set of laws in this country, and they apply to everyone. >> a criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. >> my office will seek a speedy trial so our evidence can be tested in court and judged by a jury of citizens.
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>> the 45th president of the united states has been charged with 91 felony counts and four criminal indictments. but with each new indictment trump has actually increased his support. trump began the year with the support of about half of republican primary voters nationwide. and as we head into 2024, that number has risen to about two-thirds of the party's primary electorate. and with less than three weeks until the iowa caucuses, it has become abundantly clear that the rest of the republican field will not stop trump. his closest rivals have gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid attacking him. instead the nominating campaign has become a sort of circular firing squad with trump on the outside of it. even with 2016 in the rearview mirror, there hasn't really been any concerted effort to coalesce around a trump alternatively. in political terms donald trump is back within a coin flip of the presidency. as for the legal processes, the
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"x" factor in all this, we began this year wondering whether trump would be indicted. and we end it wondering whether trump will actually face trial next year. as the threat of criminal prosecution has increased, trump has responded with threats directed towards both prosecutors and his political enemies. he has embraced authoritarian rhetoric on the campaign trail, drawing parallels to the worst of the 20th century's fascist dictators. whether that language is evidence of fear or whether it's merely a political tool to rile up his base, what is obvious is that donald trump does not want to stand trial. for months trump has deployed every tool in his legal arsenal to delay judgment. before this year even began, he succeeded in getting florida federal district judge aileen cannon to appoint a special master, which set the mar-a-lago documents case back for months. his recent maneuver suggests that scheduled may trial may not
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actually be held until after the 2024 election. and in his d.c. federal election interference case, trump's numerous appeals have resulted in a prolonged pause in that trial and may end up delaying its scheduled march 4th start date for some time. so when these historic federal criminal changes actually begin, well, that is a very open question. and then, of course, there is the question of what happens when donald trump is found innocent or when he is found guilty. and if that judgment comes when he is outside of the white house or back inside the oval office. 2023 has been a historic year. the rule of law has been tested in ways unseen in american history. but, wow, does 2024 look like it's going to be an even greater challenge to the basic foundations of our democracy. here goes nothing. joining me now is former missouri senator and current
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msnbc political analyst, claire mccaskill. claire, thanks for being here. it's hard to even remember everything that we've lived through this year, and yet i have a sinking feeling that a pales in comparison to what is ahead of us. how are you thinking about the year behind us and the year ahead? >> well, i think -- you know, first of all i think it's important to remember that a lot of democrats lost confidence when donald trump won in 2016 because truth be known, no one thought donald trump would win including donald trump. and when he did win, it kind of shook the foundations of everyone believing that you can't do and say those kinds of things and be president. that's not what we are in america. well, turns out that you can. and not only did he say those things before he got elected president, he kept acting that
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way. the tire time busting norm after norm, cozying up to the worst leaders on the planet, people who do not believe in freedom, people who do not believe in human rights. everything he did would lead one to believe that of course he wouldn't get re-elected, and then he almost did. and now you see january 6th and all these criminal indictments and you say, well, of course he can't win again. and the polling would indicate that all of this has made him stronger. so it's understandable that people are really worried about next year. it's also true that donald trump did not win the popular vote in 2016, and he did not win in 2020. and when he has been pushing candidates on the ballot, most of them have lost. and his party has lost ground since he became a leader. so everybody needs to take a deep breath, say happy new year to everyone, realize that this is in the hands of the american
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people, and we can do something about it by making sure that someone takes office that respects the constitution and doesn't vow to terminate the constitution. >> i notice that you said this is in the hands of the american people. you did not say this is in the hands of the american judicial system. does that reflect a belief on your part that there's not actually going to be a criminal trial for trump that is resolved before the election? >> i think jack smith is going to try very hard. i think the supreme court is probably going to move with some haste on the cases that will be in front of them. but understand this, alex, if these cases are not tried, if none of them are tried and if donald trump wins, then the federal cases go away. then we have another crisis. we have another crisis that if he appoints an attorney general on the promise the attorney general will dismiss these cases against him that are federal, the mar-a-lago documents case
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and the obstruction case in washington, d.c. both being handled by jack smith. if he says my attorney general's going to dismiss them, that attorney general has to get confirmed by the senate. so now all of a sudden we have to worry about the senate elections and whether or not the senate will confirm an attorney general who has promised to ignore the law and the facts and prop up someone who is doing everything they can to run for president and stay out of prison. i'm not sure which is more important to him at this point. >> we talked in the closing weeks of this year about how if trump re-elected could do an end run around the guardrails. effectively not even looking for senate confirmation but just appointing acting attorney generals, appointing acting cabinet secretaries, people from the fringes of the maga movement who might not otherwise be qualified or get confirmation.
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how worried should people be about that potential future? >> i think people should be worried. i think they should be worried that we have a lot of people in this country that are okay with someone who says he'll terminate the constitution and talks about executing generals and putting journalists out of business and shutting down networks. i think people should be very concerned about that. on the other hand, we still have the court system. and so really this year will tell us a lot about our court system. so far this supreme court even though it's dominated by conservatives and three of them were appointed by donald trump, they have said no to donald trump many times. donald trump thought they would put him in power after january 6th or after the election, that they would somehow help overturn the election on his behalf. they did not. and so the courts are going to be tested, but they will have
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opportunities both in this next year. and if he were elected president, to stand the ground and hold the line on the law in this country. and it will be interesting to see what happens before the election as to whether or not the court's actions help donald trump, which so far him being accountable under the law has helped him politically. or whether it'll hurt donald trump because the weight of evidence will finally break through to those low information swing voters in the states that will decide the presidency. >> claire mccaskill, it's great to end the year with you, claire. i'm excited, a bit trepdacious, and somewhat terrified for the next one. thank you as always for riding along with me. >> well, we'll be together next year. >> we will, sister. coming up, in the past two national election cycles we have seen conspiracy theories fray the fabric of our electoral system. we're going to show you how one
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arizona radio station is fighting back against disinformation. but first we'll take you back to florida where this year white lash against black studies threaten the town's ability to teach its own history. that's next. town's ability to teach its own history. that's next. i got this $1,000 camera for only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. i got this kitchenaid stand mixer for only $56. i got this bbq smoker for 26 bucks. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save.
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since we launched this show, we have been on the ground in florida repeatedly reporting the effects of governor desantd s' so-called war on woke. we have been there as his state has presented classes on racism as students feel discomfort and as the public liberal arts new
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college has been overhauled into a model of conservatism. as the state has rewritten black history itself with new standards that mandate lessons on the personal benefit of slavery and require that lessons on certain race massacres include acts of violence perpetrated against and by african americans. this summer we traveled to the small town of ocoy, florida with the town's own history of anti-black violence and the residents ability to learn about it are under threat. >> the ocoee massacre is basically a whole bunch of black people were killed because they wanted to vote and a lot of white people decided to run them out and burn their homes and stuff. it was a horrible night.
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i know a lot of students don't know about that even though we're literally in ocoee. >> i learned about the ocoee massacre. she's like did you know there's a scholarship, and they killed all the black people. i'm like what? this is serious. it's crazy how racism goes so far. >> it happened everywhere. we still don't know about it, which is crazy. >> i wasn't taught it in school. i think it may have been mentioned in ap u.s. history my junior year. but even if it's at a slower pace, it still needs to be taught throughout the years of school because it's in important. it is our history especially as us living in florida. >> in november 1920 the small town of ocoee was the site of the worst election day violence
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in american history. weeks before the election, ku klux klan members held rallies and sent threatening letters to white ocoee leaders who registered black members to vote. the klan promised we shall always enjoy white supremacy in this country and he who interferes must face the consequences. >> this is ocoee and this is the hallowed ground cemetery, which contains the bodies of at least 300 people, black people who died during the ocoee massacre. most of them burned to death beyond recognition, so they were put in mass graves in this spot. and until recently, forgotten about. >> the massacre was sparked by two african american men who went to the polls to vote. it was about voting rights. >> there was good reason for white men to be afraid about
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black folks because it would change the balance of power in the south. >> and so mose norman and july perry were refused the right to vote. >> the mob comes to his home, surrounds his home trying to figure what was going on and punish him for attempting to vote. they killed two of their numbers through friendly fire, and it gets blamed on july perry. there were headlines all over the country, two white men dead in ocoee, blacks rioting in ocoee. >> it remains unclear to this day who killed those two white men, but those headlines diminishing the racial terror in that black community, those headlines would have repercussions both then and now.
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>> he was arrested and brought into orlando where the orange county jail is. the mob followed him and took him out of the jail and hung him and left his body hanging for days as intimidation so that other african americans who would contemplate voting in orange county would see what would happen. >> and a lot of what the klan was trying to do, the kkkk was trying to do was to suppress the vote by using violence. and normally it worked. it worked pretty well here. >> the black death toll from that day is now incalculable. the remaining black population in ocoee plummeted after the massacre, and the events of november 1920 were largely forgotten. until now. >> since i've been governor, we've added to what type of
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african american history can be taught. for example, we did the -- we have mandatory instruction on the election day rights, the ocoee election day riots in 1920. >> the new curriculum in florida schools championed by governor ron desantis mandates that students learn about what happened in ocoee but only if that instruction includes acts of violence perpetrated against and by african americans. it's an apparent reference to the two white men killed at perry's home, it obscures the fact that the massacre targeted black citizens. >> there have been comments about the death and breadth of these standards. anyone who can read these standards, you can see the topics that are covered are in-depth, and there's nothing that is left out. >> the state of florida and desantis today is officially blaming anti-white violence on blacks in ocoee, and it did not happen. it's a lie. the two white men who died here
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died at the hands of other white people. so we're here to try to correct that lie. >> if you take a massacre where a whole town was destroyed, houses were set afire, schools were set afire, summit lodges, churches, people who ran out of their homes were shot and killed. and those who didn't run out of their homes burned in the building. and if you can take something like that and have it focused on violence perpetrated by and against african americans, you missed the whole point. >> geraldine thompson worked in the education system for more than 24 years before
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representing ocoee. thompson is now involving the entire community to correct the state's history standards. >> i want boxes of petitions that we're going to send the commissioner of education saying that we want factual, balanced history taught in our classrooms. >> i love the students. every day i come to school, i come to work i'm excited to talk to the kids. i'm excited to tell them what they need to know so that they can grow and make this country better. but they will meet a lot of kids. they want us to ignore african american history prior to the slave trading. they want us to try to hide florida's ugly legislative history and -- i'm sorry. i'm getting upset. i will not in my classroom both
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sides lynchings. it's not going to happen. >> while teachers in ocoee and across florida are struggling to teach students under these new standards, professor marvin dunn is showing educators ocoee's history first-hand. >> i am here because i want today bring dade county teachers, active teachers to this part of florida where the state requires to teach anti-white violence in ocoee. can someone tell me what's wrong with this marker? the problem with this marker is that it doesn't tell the truth
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of what happened here. it doesn't tell the truth of who's out there. this is hallowed grounds. calling itself a cemetery. this is not a cemetery. this is a mass grave. we'll take questions, comments, reactions, anything from anybody. >> yeah, i'm a teacher at miami palmetto, miami, florida, miami-dade county public schools. and i am telling all teachers as you know i wasn't hired to teach lies, and i will never teach lies. i am not a teacher who will teach lies. period. >> as for the students now back in school in ocoee, they are determined to learn the truth about what happened in their own backyard regardless of what the state of florida says. >> even if our history is not being taught in schools, i feel like it's our obligation to read
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about our history on our own. >> we have to do what our teachers are unable to do, our public schoolteachers who are being prohibited from teaching us what is real by law. their jobs are at stake. they're risking their livelihood, exactly. >> you can't pick and choose which ones you want and paint it oh, history was beautiful, we helped the slaves, we did this. no, you killed people, you massacred people, you took people from their homes. and that's the hard truth. like it hurts. it really does because, again, people still have wounds. like the ocoee massacre, you have the great grandchildren surviving and recalling the times of like -- it's trauma, but we have to heal as a nation. but we can't heal as a nation if -- >> if we don't know. >> right. >> and if you don't acknowledge the past, history is going to repeat itself, so we have to start now. still ahead tonight.
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mayor eric adams calls it the issue that will destroy new york city. we will show you how a city of immigrants is glapling with the recent spike in migration and what is meant for the city's newest residents and what the country might learn in the process. but first rodeos, dancing, and voter registration. we'll show you what one station in arizona is doing to combat voter election disinformation. that's next. t voter election disinformation. that's next.
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since the 2020 election, local republican election officials fueled by conspiracy theories have attempted to interfere with the voting process. and this year a lot of them have faced legal consequences. this november two officials in cocheese, county, arizona, a state with a long history of disinformation, were indicted for their refusal to certify the 2022 election results. ahead of the 2024 election, the effort to counter disinformation in the state involves more than the legal system. one radio station in phoenix is focused particularly on latina voters who make up nearly a quarter of the electorate in arizona. msnbc's paola ramos has this report. >> radio is about to record
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their show and today's theme is disinformation. with the swing state of arizona up for grabs in the 2024 election, radio campesina, a spanish radio network has emerged as a purveyor of truth amid a land filled with misinformation. the radio station is also an effective mobilizer for a community whose relationship with politics has been strained by the past. the station has been a consistent and trusted messenger
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for decades. ever since it was founded by labor activist caesar chavez in 1983, it was meant to serve as a voice for the spanish speaking community including in arizona. this state has been home to some of the country's most anti-immigrant policies from racial profiling by sheriff joe arpaio, to show me your papers in 2010, to kari lake who says an invasion is happening at the southern border. the biden campaign has also launched spanish radio ads on radio campesina and other spanish radio stations in arizona and nevada, marking what it says is the earliest ever investment by democrats in black and latino radio for a re-election campaign. so far the trump campaign has focused more on the early primary states. they didn't respond to our questions about their plans for arizona. misinformation and
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disillusionment can feed off the deeply misrooted trust many feel and that's why radio campesina has taken to its odd yps. >> it's saturday night in phoenix, arizona, and we're at this community event hosted by radio campesina. this isn't just fun and games. there's a political strategy. building trust with the community. >> radio campesina knows their way into the community and it's through outreach events like this. >> they're here for the rodeo, to drink, and be with their families and yet you on stage are talking about politics and misinformation. is that strategic? >> yes. because, yes, sir yes, we are here to celebrate joy, a day, but this is the way you do it. by registering to get out to
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vote, and understanding you cannot allow any misinformation to stop you to vote. >> we were curious just how deep does that misinformation and mistrust go. >> so you still believe that trump may have won the election? there's a lot of mistrust in the community. we've been talking to people. there's a lot of disinformation that they're hearing. can they trust radio campesina? >> they trust the brand. at the front line they need us more than ever. >> with millions of dollars spent courting latino voters with countless digital initiatives setup to counter the big lie and drive voter turnout,
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the answer may lie in the trusted messenger and the voice that has always had the ear of the community. still ahead tonight, our exclusive report from inside new york city's historic roosevelt hotel, ground zero for the ongoing migrant crisis. that is next. for the ongoing migrant crisis that is next that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. if you have hepatitis b, don't stop dovato without talking to your doctor. don't take dovato if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects. if you have a rash or allergic reaction symptoms, stop dovato and get medical help right away. serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems or if you are pregnant, breastfeeding,
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of thousands of migrants with no place to stay have crosseded the southern border and arrived in new york city. some were sent by republican governors, some hoped to land in new york, and others have arrived without knowing where they are. one thing remains true for all of them. new york city is the only major city in the country required by the courts to provide shelter, food, and care to anyone who needs it. for more than a year on this show, we have been tracking the impact of this ongoing wave of migration and the ongoing tension over immigration that transcends partisan lines. we checked in with the sit of new york handle thes impossible, providing aid and shelter with help of either. >> when it opened in 1924 the roosevelt hotel was a luxury
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destination. as new york city socialites flocked to the building and artist guy lombardo made the hotel famous for his own rendition of old lang syne, the roosevelt soon earned the nickname the grand dame of madison avenue. today a top new york city health official is calling it the new ellis island. >> welcome to new york city asylum seeker arrival center. >> dr. ted long, led new york city's response to the covid-19 pandemic. now alongside new york city immigration commissioner mannie castro, long is dealing with a crisis of a different kind, finding shelter for more than 140,000 migrants who have arrived in new york city for the past year and a half. so what exactly is happening here? what is this area?
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>> when people come in, we immediately want to give you a place to sit, offer a meal, and then you come up here and this is where you register. registration is what's your name and how big is your family. we know who can get placed there immediately. >> under the chandeliers in the main lobby where new yorkers once hob knobbed, immigrants now wait to be registered. they are exhausted. they are worried, many have made dangerous treks to get here. and now they need a place to stay.
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>> the number of rooms we have available across new york city at this given moment is zero. >> so none of these people have a place to sleep tonight? >> correct, none of them do. and currently it's not an exaggeration. we have zero rooms across new york city for families with children. >> outside the hotel hundreds more wait to be processed. there are no beds available, but a consent decree requires new york city to offer anyone and everyone shelter. >> think about this for a moment, new yorkers. we have a policy in place right now that states you can come from anywhere on the globe, come to new york city, and we have to pay for your food, shelter, clothing for as long as you want. when does it reach a point where it says it's not sustainable?
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>> how many a day are you getting? >> last week there was a day where we got 1,000, over 1,000 people. we're seeing a surge, and that is just -- to us it's unsustainable because our city was not setup to manage a humanitarian crisis of this magnitude for this long. >> more than 2.4 million people have crossed the southern border in the past year. a recent spike brought on in part by the end of a covid era policy that turned back migrants at the border. thousands of them are now in new york city. joelhernandez is one of them. when hernandez finally arrived today the southern border last year he had no idea he would end up in new york. a free bus ticket made the decision for him.
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>> hernandez now works as a delivery driver in a city he barely knows. >> since the spring of 2022, republican governors have been sending often unsuspecting migrants to liberal cities. using human beings as pawns to exact political revenge and hoping to provoke an anti-immigrant backlash. >> they put out policies self-proclaiming that they're
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sanctuary cities. and they love to promote these liberal ideologies until they have to actually live up and apply them. >> this past weekend there was a night where between 11 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. we had seven unannounced buses from texas arrive overnight. >> were those buses that were sent by the governor. >> those were buses sent by the governor and the cities of texas. >> clearly texas wants to make a point, but what are we to do? let people sleep in the street? >> they always get the fake news media right back to -- >> this has been a live issue on the presidential campaign trail where donald trump has been stoking anti-immigrant fear for political profit. >> we know they're terrorists. it is a very sad thing for our country. it's poisoning the blood of our country. >> that sort of language has been echoed across the country. this year even mayor eric adams, a democrat, has come under fire
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for rhetoric critics call dangerous for immigrants. >> this issue will destroy new york city. >> adams has further described migrants as financial burdens for new york taxpayers. >> if i raise your taxes because anyone on the globe that wants to come to new york city can stay here forever and the federal government says it's on our tab, listen idealism collides with realism all the time. the realism is we are out of room. >> i'm the daughter of immigrants. this is an immigrant city. new york city wants to in theory welcome immigrants, but the mayor's rhetoric around immigrants and specifically this group of migrants has been very racist in recent months, and i understand the frustration and the desire for the federal government to intervene in a more formal capacity, but do you at all worry that the messaging from city hall has not been actually that welcoming to the immigrants who will find
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themselves here? >> we've been saying this for over a year we need help. we have to say it in a way that people, you know, pay attention. >> to guarantee beds for every asylum seeker who comes to new york city, more than 200 new city funded shelters have popped up all over the city. >> most people have seen this is being done by the federal government and we're doing it in new york city, and we're hoping this can be used as a model to be replicated everywhere else in the country, but in the meantime, you know, we can't be the only ones. >> the biden administration is helping. >> we've already delivered over $1 billion that congress appropriated to states and cities receiving immigrants. >> but new york city officials say it's not nearly enough. the city has already spent more than $2 billion to house and care for newcombers since the spring of 2022. it is expected today spend $12 billion over three fiscal years.
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>> they only gave us a little over $100 million to pay for this. >> in september the biden administration eased pressure on migrants by offering temporary protected status to more than 470,000 venezuelans already in the u.s. that status allows them to obtain work permits, but some dhs officials worry this might prompt more migration from elsewhere. in the meantime, everyone else is left in limbo. >> every asylum seeker we communicated with said we don't want anything free from new york. we just want to be able to contribute to the city. >> people who call new york city home represents more than 200 nationalities. many came through the southern border, were processed at the
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roosevelt hotel and are now the newest new yorkers. this is turkish, right? >> yeah, it looks like turkish or ukrainian because we serve a lot. >> for now the roosevelt hotel is the only arrival center in new york city. the work is hard, but welcoming migrants is a reminder of what has always made america america. >> we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back
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