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hey, everybody. welcome back. it is 11:00 a.m. in the east. i'm yasmin vossoughian back for a second hour here. we're following the breaking news out of michigan that is putting pressure on the u.s. supreme court this morning. the state supreme court rejecting a case to remove trump from the 2024 ballot, just a week after a ruling by the colorado supreme court removing him from the ballot in that state. want to bring in nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard,

carol lam, and former republican congressman from florida david jolly as well. vaughn, if you will, walk us through this ruling out of michigan. >> it is most notable the supreme court, we should understand, is not actually taking up the appeal from the litigants. instead, they denied to hear any arguments and to take up the case. but by doing so, they are all but affirming the lower court's decision, which in the state of michigan is to not disqualify donald trump from the ballot, like the state of colorado did. on the primary ballot. this is the clear distinction here. and there is one justice that is part of the dissent, he stood by the other justices in the lower court's decision, but he contended they should have taken up and at least heard the case, but on the merits of the difference between colorado state law and michigan state law are different when it comes to who can appear on a primary ballot, leaving it up to the state in michigan -- leaving it up to the political parties to simply sign the identities of individuals that are going to appear on the ballot, versus in

colorado, it is on the secretary of state to determine one's qualification, which hits at the exact argument of the section 3 of the 14th amendment in which donald trump is qualified or not. and that is the part where we see in here, in that justice's dissent, he writes that potentially these litigants could bring this back to the supreme court, come the time that donald trump is actually the nominee for the republica party. because at that point in time is when it is incumbent on either the secretary of state or the courts to determine whether donald trump is qualified to be on the general election ballot, all but essentially punting this down the road. >> carol, give me your sense on this, right. this distinction that they're making between colorado law versus michigan law and the fact that they're going to be able to be on the ballot and the primary calendar in michigan, but there may need to be a revisitation of this if in fact he wins the nomination for the republican party in the general election. >> right. that's exactly the distinction

is that there is still the possibility that there could be challenges that could be successful down the road in michigan, but it will be much further down the line if and when donald trump becomes the republican nominee. that bridge already has been crossed in colorado because of the difference between the colorado state law regarding requirements of qualification that the secretary of state actually has to determine that a person is qualified to be on the primary ballot. and so what we have here is sort of a splintering of states with respect to what their laws require and that is going to create an administrative problem for the country and potentially for the supreme court because they may decide, donald trump indicated he's going to appeal the colorado decision to the supreme court, if they take that case, they will make a decision in that case and that could impact all the future challenges that have been filed in over a dozen cases. but there is one -- even though the state laws are different,

and this supreme court generally is differential to states with respect to their own laws, there is one aspect in common and that is whether the 14th amendment applies to the president, presidential candidate. so that is an issue that the supreme court may decide to take up with the colorado case. >> talk to me about the politics of all this, if you will, david jolly. is this just further kind of these efforts to remove the former president from the ballot, what we saw in colorado. is in just further igniting his base? >> i think it is. look, but i think it provides an intensity to both sides. certainly to his base, who feels resentful about it, and to those who are critical of donald trump who know that as joe biden said, we saw an insurrection in front of our own eyes. donald trump trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power in the united states in january of '21, we saw it. it is an insurrection. does it fit within the

constitutional framework of what the 14th amendment tries to use to disqualify someone from serving or running? that is the question that ultimately as carol said the supreme court will decide. i would suggest the ultimate political impact of this, though, yasmin, and i'm a skeptic as a lawyer in this space, i do not believe any of these strategies will prevent donald trump from being on the ballot in november. so, if you are a democratic activist or if you're simply a critic of donald trump and don't believe he should be president again, the answer is to work very hard to ensure that at the ballot box he is defeated because i don't believe this is the legal or litigation measure that ultimately will keep him off the ballot. i could be wrong. i'm in the minority among a lot of attorneys on that. i just don't see this being the ultimate card that prevents donald trump from appearing on the ballot. >> danny cevallos is on the same page as you as i was talking to him about this last week. i wonder if you worry about if joe biden wins re-election in

2024 if donald trump will even accept the results of that election. and then what happens then? >> yeah. look, i think we're in a very dangerous moment. we talk about the politics all the time. do we have in donald trump someone who will not accept losing? do we have a criminal conviction in the jack smith case that is awaiting appeal when donald trump is on the ballot in november? suppose he's elected. shouldn't the house impeach him if he's actually -- if he's been criminally convicted? but, you can't actually send a sitting president to prison while he's a sitting president. we are entering a very tough chapter politically that i'm not sure we're ready for. the easiest answer of all is don't let donald trump get re-elected and let the courts do their job of holding him accountable. >> inevitably, carol lam, is the supreme court going to end up deciding or influencing this presidential election whether it is on the case of whether or not the former president can be on the general election ballot and/or presidential immunity

and/or whatever else is going to pop up between now and then? >> well, i'm very much with david on this particular issue. i think that, of course, if the supreme court decides that donald trump can't be on the ballot in several states, that is going to have an impact on the outcome of the election. but i very much, with respect to the criminal trials, think that it is not -- there is no legal vehicle here to -- with respect to those criminally charged cases to keep donald trump from being on the ballot and if he becomes the president, with respect to the federal cases, he can simply grant himself probably grant himself pardons, and/or anyone who is going to testify against him give them essentially immunity. so, there is very little that a criminal trial can do to prohibit somebody from becoming the president. and i think that it is very important for people to keep their eye on the ball, but who becomes the president is and remains very much a political issue and not a legal one.

>> how is the former president reacting? >> quick to respond to the michigan supreme court's decision here, they have strongly and rightfully denied the desperate democratic attempt to take the leading candidate off the ballot in the great state of michigan. this comes down, again, to the point that carol and david are making, is that we are 19 days away from the iowa caucus. eight days after that the new hampshire primary. of course, the concern from the trump team and the republican party at large is the potential nullification of republican electorate votes through -- in selecting their nominee. if donald trump wins iowa, wins new hampshire, even if the supreme court of the united states takes this up, as soon as february to hear the 14th amendment arguments, there is still many states that have already taken part in this primary process which begs the question, you know, does nikki haley stick around, ron desantis stick around, wait for the

supreme court to make these determinatio determinations, is there really a possibility that after donald trump becomes the nominee or the presumptive nominee rules that he is disqualified from the general election ballot? what does the republican convention look like in july? these are hypotheticals that are, yes, hypotheticals, but they could very well be real depending on what the courts ultimately decide. >> carol, one more for you, filing a motion it seems by jack smith in the d.c. election interference case saying, quote, unquote, the court should not permit the defendant to turn the courtroom and inject politics into this proceeding, this motion filed this morning. what do you make of it? >> before trial, motions are frequently filed trying to determine what can come into evidence and what can't. in jack smith's case, there is an issue whether he can or should be filing motions, trump objected to these things and the court has had to stay all

proceedings, that is to say basically say we're not doing anything because the case is on appeal right now with respect to the immunity issue. the presidential immunity issue. so, jack smith's motion is not that unusual in trying to keep the trial confined to the actual facts and not become a political forum. we have to see how long it will take for the judge to decide that motion. >> carol lam, david jolly, vaughn hillyard, thank you. up next, we go inside the largest tunnel israel says it discovered in gaza so far. we'll talk to ambassador mark regev as well, senior adviser to prime minister bibi netanyahu about the latest strikes on gaza and why the military says it will not refrain from operating in safe zones. we're back in 60 seconds. e zone. we're back in 60 seconds taking. so every day, you can say, ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off

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forces announcing it has extended its operation into central gaza, israel's army chief says their operations may continue for quote, unquote many months. but the death toll in gaza is continuing to rise as the hamas-run ministry of health says more than 21,000 people have died and more than 55,000 are injured. we're getting a firsthand look at what the idf says is the largest hamas tunnel found so far. nbc news was invited in by the israeli military, but they did not review our material prior to broadcast or enforce any restrictions on its use. want to bring in from tel aviv josh lederman. you got an inside look at these tunnels, not far from the israeli border. what did you see? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. it is only about a ten-minute walk from this tunnel that i went into today to the border crossing with israel, where before the war, thousands of gazan palestinians would go into israel every single day to work and now that border crossing is

essentially a pile of mangled steel and broken concrete after damage from the october 7th attacks. and israel is able to bring journalists like myself into gaza, into northern gaza specifically to see the tunnels because it has largely finished clearing out hamas battalions in the north while in the south and in central gaza, israel's military says the war is far from over. take a look. this morning, israel is grinding ahead with a war it says will last many more months. inside the gaza strip, the heavy fighting continued overnight. israel saying it hit more than 100 sites on tuesday. gaza's health ministry saying 241 people were killed in the last 24 hours. in washington, top netanyahu adviser ron dermer met with secretary of state antony blinken and national security adviser jake sullivan.

on the agenda, the hoshostages,e humanitarian situation and what comes the day after the war. back on the ground in gaza, israel's military is expanding operations. in northern gaza, where israel says it has almost full control, israel's miitary brought nbc news inside the largest tunnel they say they found so far. this is the entrance to the tunnel. you can see how it goes from the surface of the earth, diagonally into the ground. you can easily see how they could fit an entire full size vehicle down into this tunnel. and in southern gaza, volunteers carried out a grim task in gaza's sandy earth, they dug a mass grave and laid to rest 80 palestinians. this is mohammad, his mom was killed when their house was bombed. his dad is missing. at 13, the lives of his seven siblings are in his hands. i don't know how to deal with this, he says. but i know how to make my sisters milk. i change her. she hardly drinks the milk.

after more than 80 days of war and despite intense global pressure to scale back the operation, prime minister netanyahu is vowing to stay the course. his military chief of staff saying there are no short cuts to dismantling a terrorist group there are no magic solutions. an explosion near the embassy in india, but there were no injuries, israel is warning its citizens, though, it needs to take its safety seriously. >> josh lederman, thank you. want to bring in ambassador mark regev, senior adviser to prime minister benjamin netanyahu to joining us now to talk more about this. welcome to you. thank you for joining us on this. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about the tunnels. how is israel not aware of the extent. i know you knew they were there, but the massiveness of the tunnels and what they could hold and where they went, only ten

minutes from the border, how did you not know? >> we did know. maybe we didn't have all the details, but we did know, and we have been going in and finding all this stuff and showing it to the world. and the most important thing i think to understand is for years, hamas was stealing from the people of gaza. the cement and the concrete, and the iron that went into building these tunnels was supposed to be for the people of gaza to build housing, to build roads and so forth. and they stole this and other aid over years to invest in millions that should have gone to the people of gaza into their underground terror network. that network we're now destroying. >> did hamas use these tunnels during the attack on october 7th? >> it is not clear they used this specific tunnel, which is interesting. the truth is on october 7th, they attacked us on land. they crossed over the border and

fences and stormed into israel and as you know, as has been widely reported, they murdered, they raped, they beheaded, they burnt people alive, they machine gunned the young people at the music festival. terrible, terrible things and we can never allow them do that again and that's the goal of our operation. it is to destroy hamas' capabilities, to commit that sort of terror attack and to end that rule over the gaza strip. so in the future, when aid -- when aid is given to -- when aid is give tonight people of gaza in the future, that aid has to reach the people of gaza, not be stolen by hamas to build an nefarious military machine. >> we're going get into that in a moment, ambassador. i'm wondering when you're going to launch an investigation into the security breakdown as to what led to october 7th, allowing the hamas militants and terrorists over the border into israel. >> i think the minute the war is over, there will be an investigation. in the past when we had such security lapses or crises in the past we had investigations.

most famously after the 1973 war, when prime minister was surprised by the arab onslaught, we were attacked at the time from the north by syria, from the south by egypt, and a coordinated attack that our intelligence didn't pick up. at the end of the war, we had a national commission of inquiry headed by our chief justice and former chiefs of staff of the israeli military and called witnesses from the prime minister down and, of course, something similar will happen now, lessons have to be learned and everyone from prime minister netanyahu down everyone of responsibility, we want to know what did they know, when did they know it and what information did they act or not act. >> many israelis are finding the prime minister responsible for not bringing their family members home. those that are still being held hostage. they stopped a speech the prime minister was issuing, was giving a couple of days ago. how receptive is he to the family members of the hostages that are still being held in gaza and the efforts to get them

home? >> very much so. he's been meeting with the families of hostages, and offering them support. you can only imagine what hell these people are going through. they got loved ones who have been kidnapped now for more than 80 days in the gaza strip, they know what violence hamas is capable of. we saw it on october 7th. we heard it from the first group of hostages who were released in november, the physical and psychological abuse that they suffered. so, of course, the families deserve our support. we believe our strategy of applying military pressure on hamas is the way to achieve the freedom of our hostages. ultimately hamas isn't going to release people because they suddenly become humanitarian. on the contrary. we understand that they are brutal terrorists. but they will, as president biden said, they will respond to pressure and the israeli defense forces are applying that pressure as we speak on hamas' military machine.

>> bibi netanyahu has essentially said many times he's going to go to the very end, you're going to fight to the very end unless hamas is eradicated. i imagine you mean the group. how in fact do you plan to address the ideology of hamas? >> we have to create an alternative that people can believe in the future, a better future without hamas. it is most important to remember, if i can use an example from the second world war, yes, the nazi regime in germany was destroyed. it doesn't mean there aren't nazis. there are still nazis in germ toy today. they don't control the government or the army or the police. that's the goal. maybe you can't control what people think. but by removing hamas from power, it won't have the capabilities to hurt other people with its crazyxtmist ideology. >> i want to read for you a quote from thomas friedman,rom "the new york times,"alng about what needs to happen next in this war and weigh in on it, ambassador if you can. he says the best way to discredit and destroy sinwar,

which you well know is the leader of hamas, is for israel to leave gaza and make him come out of his tunnel, face his people and the world and own gaza's rebuilding on his own. is this something the prime minister, that your government, is open to? >> i'm afraid it's not that simple. hamas rules gaza with an iron fist and they're not going to allow the people there to vote in free elections, they're not going to allow free expression of opinion. but i believe that once hamas has been destroyed, and we will destroy it, i think you'll see the pent-up anger by the people of gaza who are angry with hamas for starting this terrible war, for bringing about this crisis, for bringing about all the destruction and the tragedy in gaza, they understand that it was hamas that started this war, they understand that it was hamas by refusing to release more hostages, ended the cease-fire that was in until the end of november, the beginning

of december. people of gaza are not stupid. they know who this -- who is responsible for the violence that we're seeing. >> what about the civilian casualties, ambassador, we're looking at 20,000 plus palestinians that have been killed on the ground in gaza, many of them women and children. the ap reporting there was a strike in israel declaring a safe zone one woman was killed and eight were wounded in response. israel's military saying it would not refrain from operating in safe zones, if it identifies terrorist organization activity threatening the security of israel. are there any safe zones, ambassador, in gaza? you tell people to go south, they're struck in the south. you identify safe zones, they're struck in the safe zones. where do palestinians go? >> yes, we have asked people to go to the safe zones where we don't expect there to be heavy close quarter fighting, like we have seen in places like gaza

city. but if hamas is there, we will be very, very surgical. but the safe zones are safer than staying in combat zones. we urge people to go there. they are safer, definitely so. if you ask me the larger question about civilian casualties, we don't want to see a single civilian casualty, not one. we're making -- >> you've seen 20,000, ambassador, at this point. 20,000 plus civilian casualties in gaza. you've seen images that the world have seen, children dieing in the arms of their parents in gaza. at what point is it enough? >> yasmin, if you don't mind, i'll politely correct you. hamas has 20,000 people killed and they want you to believe they're all civilians. we think the number is exaggerated and they're not all civilians. hamas makes no distinction, they put out numbers and it is as if once again they're all civilians. it is not true.

we believe we have hit thousands, many thousands of palestinian terrorists. we have killed in this operation. that's our goal. and if hamas says, well, 200 people died in the weekend, so, they don't give you the background, if all 200 were terrorists for hamas, that's good. they're our enemy. we want to get them. we don't want to see civilians. we're making a maximum effort. that's why we're asking civilians, please, leave the zones where we know there will be heavy close order fighting between us and the terrorists. move to the safer zones. they are safer. they are there. and we're hoping people evacuate where we can. >> you don't argue that children aren't also using their lives in gaza right now, right? >> 100% and it is very, very sad and tragic. and we don't want to see any civilians, especially not children, being caught up in the cross fire. >> ambassador -- >> it is important to understand that hamas is deliberately sacrificing gaza's children.

their strategy of using human shields, not just israel says so, the united states says so, the uk, the european union all said hamas has adopted a deliberate strategy of using gazan civilians and gazan children as a shield for its war man. that's why they built their military structure over neighborhoods and schools and mosques and the u.n. facilities and hospitals. this is hamas' whole strategy. every time a civilian is killed inadvertently for us, it is a tragedy. that's hamas' strategy. they want to see civilian deaths. they want to see every last gazan die on the altar of their crazy extreme agenda. >> ambassador mark regev, thank you, sir, appreciate it. up next, we're live at a border crossing in texas as thousands of migrants make their way through mexico to the u.s. border. what you need to know about the hazardous weather conditions along parts of the east coast, taking a toll on travel across the country. you're watching msnbc. we'll be right back. country. you're watching msnbc. we'll be right back. ♪

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welcome back, everybody. secretary of state tony blinken set to land in mexico party, part of a larger delegation that are going to meet with the mexican president to find a solution to the record number of migrants arriving at the southern u.s. border. joining us now, morgan chesky and monica alba. morgan, i'll start with you on this one.

the mexican president said he's willing to meet the u.s. delegation halfway, essentially saying that they're willing to make concessions and help out with the migrant situation. where are we on this and what are you learning? >> reporter: yeah, it is going to be very interesting to hear how this meeting goes between that u.s. delegation and the mexican president because right now in theory all options, all effective options are on the table. but there are several specific ones that we anticipate hearing more about. one will be mexico being able to find a way to keep migrants who are migrating through the country there for a longer period of time instead of rushing to the border. one option that has been suggested yasmin is offering them work visas in exchange for them staying there. another has been bolstering these prescreening centers closer to guatemala, near the southern border of mexico where migrants can go ahead of time, submit their information, and instead of making that dangerous

thousand mile journey or so all the way here to the border. and, of course, bolstering border security, another issue as well. we do know that here locally in eagle pass there have been ongoing conversations between authorities here on this side of the border, talking with counterparts on the other side, exchanging information on migrant movements, as a result of that we did see one thing happen over the last several weeks, that was the closing down of several railroads after reports of migrants riding on top of those freight trains. so, there are multiple options here, but as you mentioned, yasmin, it is not going to go just one way. mexico for their part expected to lean on the u.s. to have a better, more efficient system for processing migrants once they come over. >> monica, how closely is the white house watching these conversations? >> reporter: extremely closely, yasmin. the fact that these u.s. officials are going to mexico city today really that came out of a call that president biden had with mexican president last

week and it really speaks to the urgency here, the fact that secretary blinken, secretary mayorkas, the white house, homeland security adviser liz sherwood randall are all getting on a plane and going there today, the week between christmas and new year's, speaks to how the white house is viewing this. they want to be able to say that they are trying their very best to address this, but they also have really spoken to the larger political reality here, which is they're still waiting on congress to see if they're going to be able to break the deadlock of negotiations on some potential border funding and border policy changes that could help this situation. but that could be weeks away if they even do get to a deal, which in january, in the coming weeks, will be very difficult with everything else that capitol hill needs to deal with. the president here has really dispatched some senior aides here to go meet face to face with the mexican president and talk about some potential other enforcement options, controlling the railways as morgan mentioned

on the agenda for sure, and also potentially just discussing what else they can do on their own in the form of these two governments, because they have to wait for congress to step in and do anything else and, again, that may prove to be extremely elusive, but the biden administration is saying this issue is only growing and they want to say they're doing everything they can to address it. >> monica alba for us, and morgan chesky, thank you. much of the country facing winter storms this holiday season, this morning many americans waking up to rainfall on the west and the east coast. i know well. michelle grossman joining us now with more on this. it wasn't great today, michelle. it wasn't great on christmas. some parts now getting snow, which is good for them. what are the expectations here? >> yeah, that snow is winding down. we had a tough travel day in portions of the plains. we have some snow still falling today, but really only one, two, three inches expected. we could see a little glaze of

ice on top of that, we have some winter weather advisories, only half a million people left under those winter weather advisories. as you mentioned, it was not a great commute and i'm sure it is a dreary day, gloomy, we have fog in place. so this system is still very large, you can see it on radar, lots of clouds with satellite, but where you see the blue, that's where we're seeing the snow still falling. we'll pick up a few more inches there. that includes iowa as well. parts of missouri. but, rain, rain is falling very heavy in some spots. we're going to continue to see pockets of rain. that means slowdowns at the airport and on the road. when it rains, we know things slow down a bit. so we're looking at that heavy rain where you see the brighter colors, the reds, the oranges, the ye yellows. this is extending from the great lakes into the interior parts of the northeast, new england, the northeast, mid-atlantic, down to the carolinas, lots of us seeing the rain this morning. and unfortunately slow to get out of here. we're talking about today,

thursday, even into friday. really not until the second part of the weekend where wee see high pressure building back in and drying us out. so we're expecting quite a bit of rain and, remember, we're saturated because we had some recent rains that were very heavy. we're watching the rivers, they could see some rising as we go throughout the day. one, two, three inches of rain in some spots and notice it is for the big cities along the i-95 corridor, hartford, new york city, philadelphia, down to d.c., we're expecting a soaking of rain and as if are asnowfall totals, we're not expecting a lot. we're expecting delays in new york city, d.c., seattle and san francisco. >> delays. >> we're messy on both coasts. >> just delays. thanks for the good news, my friend. up next, as the israel-hamas war wages in gaza, palestinians say they're facing more threats from israeli settlers trying to push them out. we're going to check in with richard engel who saw the hostility in one village. richard engel who saw the

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have been forced out. >> reporter: shepherds tend to their flocks in scenes unchanged for centuries. sammy whose family lived here for generations, told me since hamas october 7th massacre, jewish settlers have become far more aggressive, in their long campaign to drive palestinians from this land. the idea is just to make your life so hard that you'll leave. >> to make live unlivable, unsustainable, unsafe, just some point from here. >> reporter: sammy says the attackers come from a jewish settlement built on occupied palestinian land. the settlement is illegal under international and israeli law. >> now they have more and more authority and more and more protection to do what they want. >> reporter: that includes, he says, shooting at palestinians. if you were shot right now, there would be no consequences. >> no consequences. >> reporter: no one would ask.

it didn't take long before we were notice. there is a jeep coming toward us now. he was dressed like an israeli soldier but had no name tag or rank. you want us to leave? >> yes. >> reporter: okay. >> what's the problem? >> stop the camera. get into the car, now! >> reporter: okay. >> get into the car, now! leave it. get into the car, now! get into the car, now! >> he needs his i.d. to go. >> yes, get in the car, now. >> reporter: okay. what do you think is going to happen now? >> i don't know. anything can happen. now we will see. >> we left without further incident. sammy shared with us other videos appearing to show settlers atacking his neighbors. the israeli government responded in a statement saying in part, it has zero tolerance for citizens taking the law into their own hands. and that most of the so-called settlers are law abiding

citizens. >> the vast majority of violence is committed by settlers goes absolutely undocumented unaccounted for. >> reporter: illeana is an activist documenting violence against palestinians in the west bank. does the israeli government support this movement? >> absolutely. think it is essential to understand that the settler movement and the israeli government are deeply enmeshed and intertwined. >> reporter: the settlers are not hiding their goal of full jewish control of the west bank and gaza strip, and believe october 7th was a turning point. daniela wiese is a leader of the settler movement. >> national independence to arab in the jewish land, i make it as clear as possible. enough to is enough. no patience, no forgiveness, no consideration, out. >> reporter: deliberately expelling an entire people from

their homeland is a war crime. >> yes, because they deliberately killed my friends. they massacred my friends. and this is the way i react. i'm full with pain for my people. i do not have room for other people. >> reporter: richard engel, nbc news, in the west bank. coming up next, new details about how nasa is prepping for its next journey into space, half a century in the making and it all rests on one company. plus, a record-breaking weekend at the box office, we'll tell you which movie landed on top. you're watching msnbc. landed on top. you're watching msnbc.

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welcome back. it was a recordbreaking holiday at the box office. "the color purple" smashed records. it brought in $18 million on monday, the biggest christmas day opening since 2009 and second biggest of all time. i saw oprah's instagram post. i knew something big was happening. she was reading reviews of the turnout. >> reporter: when you watch oprah's instagram video that you are talking about, i think even she was surprised by this record christmas day opening. like you said, it's the biggest

since 2009. i think it comes down to the oprah affect. oprah starred in the 1985 original film based on the book. she starred in that alongside whoopi goldberg. it put their careers on the map. it was directed by steven spielberg. he came back to produce this alongside oprah. what you see is that this is a warner brothers film that nabbed the top spot. you see a demographic over the age of 50 coming out for "the color purple." it's just such a good theme right now that resonates today about female friendship and overcoming insurmountable odds. i think oprah and steven spielberg think it will continue to smash records. >> the question is, are theaters back? you had big hits this year. was it enough? is it enough to bring folks back to the theaters? are they making the money they

once were? >> reporter: it's great question. if you look at the numbers this year, total box office revenue in north america, it's right under $9 billion. that's more than last year. it's thanks to movies like "barbie," when you look at beyonce and taylor swift and their concert films. we are not seeing pre-pandemic levels that were upwards of $11 billion. it's because of streaming. there's so much to watch and there's a shorter amount of time between when a movie -- a big blockbuster hits theaters and then when it hits streaming. there's less of an incentive for people to get off their couch and go see it in theaters. at this amc behind me, for a family of four, if i were to take my kids, it's over $100 to go. going to the movies is a luxury. what's the incentive if you can pay a little over $20 to watch these films from the comfort of your home and have an unlimited room of people?

going to the movies, it's expensive these days. >> it is. i like going to the movies, but i like sitting on my couch better. thank you. good to see you. 2024, ramping up to be one of the greatest years in the galaxy, literally. tom costello has more on what we can expect from the year ahead in missions to space. >> three, two, one. we have liftoff. >> reporter: that rocket roar and cheering coming from south texas in november. >> separation. >> reporter: it was for a much improved second test of elon musk's starship after the first one exploded shortly after liftoff. nasa and america has strapped their dreams to that spacex rocket. late in the year, nasa's artemis astronauts will loop around the moon. in 2022, a test flight orbited

the moon with no crew. she's the spaceship that will take the artemis ii crew around the moon for the first time in more than 50 years. this is a nine-day mission, a quarter of a million miles just to get there. this ship is nothing like apollo that carries armstrong and ardrin. they are training. mission commander wiseman, koch and hansen. >> i'm looking forward to paving the way for the future, back to the moon, on to mars. the fact that we get to contribute to that, absolutely an honor. the honer of my life. >> we are proud to be a part of the artemis generation. >> reporter: they hope they will rendezvous in orbit and land and

begin building a base. in 2024, boeing is hoping to launch its star liner spaceship with astronauts to the space station. many years delayed and behind spacex. jared isaacman will command a private mission with three others in a spacex rocket set to reach the highest earth orbit flown. why do this? why do we need to go into space? >> i mean, there are questions that we have been asking ourselves since the dawn of civilization that we don't know the answers to. the universe is so big. >> a lot to be watching for in the year ahead. thanks to tom costello for this

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