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from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with new word on donald trump's legal team preparing to challenge states that are trying to keep him off the ballot. the new york times saying these new filings could happen as soon as tuesday. both colorado and the main cases. maine joined colorado this week, disqualifying trump from its primary ballot, citing its role in the january 6th capitol riot. main secretary of state, shayna pillows, telling msnbc's laura mcdonald that she was bound to make this decision. >> i was duty bound to follow the -- two ensure that the candidates, all of them who appear on the primary ballot, or qualified for the office they seek. joining me now is emma barnett, who is in kittery, maine, for

us. we are going to break this down. you have been reporting on section three of the 14th amendment. you have been following the possibility of donald trump being removed from this ballot for months. tell me how we got here and what mean voters are saying about where they are now? >> alex, i'm so sorry, we're dealing with a little bit of a situation here. i'm gonna have to get back to. i'm so sorry about that. we have to toss to the next person. >> okay, are you safe, amma? >> it's a bit of an issue. we are safe. we have to move locations. i will join you as soon as i can. >> thank you for explaining that. as long as you are safe we will look forward to welcoming you back in just a few minutes. speaking in just a few minutes, -- formulated best a guitar for the january six committee will be joining us. we are going to ask him about all of this. we will sk him about his testimonin the colorado supreme court case against donald trump. in the meantime, the justice department is threatening to sue the state of xas over one

of the strictest immigration laws to ever pass. effect in march and would allow state police to arrest anyone they believe cross the border illegally. the guardian reports the law would include improper border entry as a new criminal offense. new york city mayor, eric adams, calling texas governor, greg abbott,'s politics cruel and inhumane. >> a city built by immigrants who work together to emerge from this crisis stronger than ever before. but this is a national problem and it has only been exacerbated by governor abbott's cruel and inhumane politics that requires additional national solutions. >> we are following both local and federal responses to the border crisis playing out all across the united states. as i welcome you, both we will start with antonia hylton, joining us in new york. efforts by mayor adams too

slowly -- they appear to be failing to some degree. antonia, what is eric adams doing? what is not working? >> well, alex, a brand-new executive order is going into place here in new york city. what the mayor's vision here is to slow and make this process more orderly. this is what it will look like now from 8:30 in the morning until 12 pm noon. that is going to be the only window where these buses, that have been so popular for governor greg abbott, it has been part of his primary strategy to move migrants from his state to states like ours or to chicago in denver. they're going to have this tight window of a rival. only to the port authority and they have to get 32 hours notice now. if they failed to do that they will face serious penalties and misdemeanors, fines, and possible seizure of their buses by the nypd. this is, of course, part of the effort here in new york to remain a sanctuary city, to continue to provide support to families, many of whom are processing -- where i'm standing right now.

but the reality is that, as thousands of people have arrived, we are in the midst of a record surge right now. the city and the many groups and nonprofits and support these efforts to try to connect these families with the resources and schools, they are struggling to keep up with the pace. the problem is that these mayors are trying to take on a national challenge. take a listen to some of what julián castro shared earlier. >> the mayors have been pushing, and i understand it, as a former man, look, this strains budgets. it's also causing tensions in the cities. chicago is a good example of that. my hope is that the administration is going to be able to provide more resources and republicans are going to compromise on that. but again, i think right now republicans feel like heading into the 2024 election they have this issue of border security and immigration where they -- i don't think they are good

faith actors to actually make a deal and compromise. >> alex, you heard castro allude to it there, which is the political football in all of this. you know, so long as some lawmakers don't have enough incentive to take action on immigration, it may continue to fall on the shoulders of these localities, these mayors, to take action on a problem that, again, it's national. what these mayors are calling on and asking the at biden administration for is more support, more resources, and to help them essentially spread the load. so that migrants are resettled, they get support in other communities. right now we are looking at potentially thousands of additional people approaching the border. the end of this crisis, quite frankly, is not in sight, alex. >> antonia, very quickly. i know that a lot of times these buses, because they don't want to break the rules, the cities are now establishing them including new york. they will stop 20, 30, 40, 50 miles outside of their

destination and just drop the migrants off. that is creating problems for other smaller cities as well. it is quite an extraordinary situation. antonia, i know we'll be back with you again, thank you so much. let's go to nbc's, aaron gilchrist, who is with the president in saint croix there in the u.s. virgin islands. nice job, if you could get there, erin. let's see what is on hand there -- new york city is not the only city calling on the federal government to help with the influx of migrants. how is the administration responding to these requests? >> antonio summed it up nicely. new york city, obviously, but she met in chicago, denver, those are also cities that have worked with to new york to say to the federal government that they need more funding, they want more efforts to create work authorization processes that are easier and faster for these migrants who are coming into their cities. they also want this coordinated national strategy, as antonia noted, to spread out some of the issues they are seeing in their cities.

the biden administration has said that the president is well aware of this. this is something we are trying to work on in a couple of different ways. the administration noted that the president is already providing more than a billion dollars in grant funding to cities to be able to manage some of the influx they are seeing in the past year in particular. the administration is also looking to accelerate the work permit process. that's part of the national security supplemental requests that we saw this fall, they administration is asking for more than a billion dollars to work with shelters and migrant issues in the cities as well. they have said that congress needs to do or to secure this money so that ties can spread out some of the burden that is coming with these people who are coming into the cities. i want to note the response we t omhe department of homeland security, knowing they havepent more than a billion dollars aland helping localities but that they will continue wk with and collaborate dire with

chicago,deer, new york, as th work to deal with some of these issues and urged congress to approve the supplemental request to establish a lasting into sustainable series of solutions to fix the broken immigration system and provide communities across the country with financial support. alex, this is a part of the process that the president is trying to have executed. both from a funding perspective in congress and also a broader national security efforts being undertaken by the state department, tony blinken -- 's meeting with the mexican president this past week we know there will be more meetings in the months to come to address some of the root causes of the migrant influx that we're seeing in the u.s.. >> more than a few meetings, i would suspect. thank you so much, from saint croix. my next guest will give me a sense of the supreme court in how it might respond in the battle to kick donald trump off the primary ballot. we are back in 60 short seconds. seconds. help stop the frustration and start taking align every day.

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days raises new questions over whether the supreme court will allow former president trump to appear on state primary ballots in 2024. on thursday, main secretary of state decided trump's constitutionally ineligible to appear on the states primary ballot next year. that's the second state to do so over his efforts to overturn the election. -- shortly after the decision. >> the record demonstrates that, in fact, the events of january 6th, 2021, which were unprecedented and tragic, we're in an insurrection. in the meaning of section three in the 14th amendment. and finally, in reviewing the facts represented, the evidence, the law, history, we determined that under section three of the 14th amendment, mr. trump engaged in insurrection and therefore was disqualified. >> joining me now, former lead

investigator for the january six select committee, -- i would also know that you stified in the colorado case. i will get to that in a moment. thank you for being here, friend. let's get into it. i want to read an expert bell's decision. she said in part, the quote goes, i do not reach this conclusion lightly. democracy is sacred. i am mindful that no secretary of state has ever deprived a presidential candidate of ballot access based on section three of the 14th amendment. i am also mindful, however, that no presidential candidate has ever before engaged in insurrection. give me your reaction to this decision and of bella's saying she was duty bound to disqualify trump. >> alex, look. we are in new territory here. the judges, secretaries of state, they like to follow precedent. we don't really have much more any precedent here either. factually for a former

president of the united states -- interpretation of this amendment. all of which calls out for definitive interpretation by the supreme court. i'm not surprised at all that various state courts and state officials are finding that the former president engaged in insurrection. our entire select committee investigation led to that very same conclusion. and the question then is, can the former president be disqualified? is the section three of the 14th amendment self executing? has there been sufficient to process given to the former president on that finding? these are legal questions that the supreme court will have to wrestle with. the supreme court does not really look at facts. that is not what up supreme court really does. they generally referred to factual findings of lower courts if they find that the process by which those facts were found --

goes with the due process in the constitution. i don't expect the supreme court to talk to findings about the insurrection. it's more, so what? what is the law for fire in the wake of the factual finding? >> tim, listening to that description, which i'm sure you are 100% right in that assessment, it sounds to me like that authorizes the supreme court to look at this from a political perspective as well. it seems interpretive of the law. does that already raise questions about how the supreme court would be perceived doing this? >> look, the supreme court i think is absolutely mindful of legitimacy, of how their decisions are perceived. but look, they take an oath to follow the law, to interpret the law fairly, to interpret the language of the law. here there is not a lot of precedent. so they are essentially evaluating the language of section three. i could imagine the court

saying there needs to be a more different factual proceeding in which insurrection is found. it can't be solely the opinion at the secretary of state or a court. it has to actually be a product of more thorough -- cross-examination. that would be illegal determination. again, alex, really hard to predict what factors will guide the decision in which way they will go. it's pretty clear that since we have different interpretations of this very significant constitutional provision, that is precisely the kind of situation in which the court steps in. it's likely they take it. which way they go, what questions they choose to frame and how they answer the question is hard to predict. >> to that point, there's a different interpretation because hours after mains decision, california secretary of state decided to keep trump on the ballot based on her interpretation of california law. that follows a similar decision this week by michigan supreme

court. give me your sense, if you can, of how the supreme court could ultimately decide. there are contradictory rulings coming out of our state. is there ruling going to be something that would be adhered to across the country? all 50 states? it then becomes an issue of federalist rights versus states rights. >> yes. so elections in this country as a -- state governments. they are run by, managed by, and the rules are articulated by state governments. we have not federalized elections. that said, the constitution, the ultimate arbiter of what the constitution says in means is the united states supreme court. here you have elections, state issues, though affected by a constitutional provision. i think the courts interpretation of section three of the 14th amendment will be definitive and will govern what

states in courts do around the country. again, alex, we don't have much president. that is why you might have a different conclusion in maine than you would have in california. because they are essentially dividing their interpretation of the plain language of the statute without any guidance from the supreme court. unquestionably, if the court takes the case, and i think they will, it will reverberate and likely apply, depending on how it's framed, to every state court. instead it will resolve the issue of whether the former presidents actions around january six disqualify him from further elective office. >> tim, i know you testified in the colorado supreme court case against trump. give me a sense of the nature of your testimony. do you think it tipped the scales in any way in the court ruling? >> my testimony was really limited, alex. i was really there as a fact witness to lay the foundation of -- the mission of the january six

committee findings in support of the argument that the former president engaged in insurrection. i was simply there to answer questions about the committee process, about how they arrived at the findings of insurrectionary conduct. in order to admit evidence in any court proceeding, there needs to be some authentication of it. that was essentially my role. just authenticating the findings up to the january six -- >> tip anyone challenge you on how you came to things? >> i was cross-examined by the lawyers for the former president. the essential line of cross-examination was well, all of the members of this select committee have already publicly declared that the president should be impeached for this same conduct that you're investigating. essentially it was not a fair investigation because it was a predetermine outcome. my response to that was, in every a best acacia knee start with a suspect or a theory or

hypothesis that you test against which all of the evidence that you subsequently develop -- no question we started the work of the select committee, all of the facts have been already developed by the committees and publicly revealed but the former president. and his coconspirators culpability. about everything we found, it was compared against that, and we reached an ultimate conclusion. so the judge did admit that the findings of the select committee in support of her finding that the president engaged in insurrection. >> one more question on this. the colorado court upheld the finding that trump engaged in an insurrection. and, yet i'm struck in the colorado republicanarty supreme court appeal to overturn the case that they do not take issue with whether trump engaged in an insurrection. they are arguing the 14th amendment clause does not apply to the presidency. and that congress alone enforces section three of the amendment. is that true? isn't the issue of engaging in

insurrection critical to the entire question of whether trump should be on the ballot? >> yes. those are questions of law. this goes back to questions of fact versus questions of law. a question of law is, is the presidency one of the opposites that is covered by section three of the 14th amendment? section three of the 14th amendment, the plain language list lot of offices. it does not last the presidency. that said, it sort of seems an officer of the united states, abroad all encompassing definition includes the former president. who enforces it? is it an act of congress to apply the section three of the -- can individual state actors, through litigation or otherwise, exercise their discretion to conduct elections? can they avail themselves of that authority? those are legal questions that are open, they're separate from the factual findings that the former president engaged in insurrection. these are the kinds of things

the supreme court will have to wrestle with. they may base their decision on some of these legal questions and not touch the factual finding of insurrection. >> reporter: i have to tell, you tim, i always come away from our conversations better informed, with a deeper understanding of what is going on. i'm so grateful for you. i wish you a happy new year and i can't wait to see you in 2024. thank. you there seems to be an obvious answer. so why not say it? later, reverend al sharpton on the answer to a question one gop candidate got wrong. one gop candidate got wrong.

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the israel-hamas war. the white house by the asked congress to approve a 147.5 million dollar weapons sale to israel. this is the second time this month that the administration has use executive power to expedite a multi million dollar arms sale. let's go to nbc's josh -- joining us from tel aviv, israel. josh, welcome. what is the reason behind the decision? >> it all has to do with the urgency of israel's need for this military equipment. the first bar the u.s. has to me to be able to justify going around congress on this is to say that it's not going to undermine america's national security to be giving israel these weapons. it's actually going to come out of a u.s. and military stop. the state department issuing a statement saying not only would not affect u.s. security but that it's in america's national security interest for israel to

have the equipment that it needs to be able to defend itself in the course of this war. that we should point out, as you said, this is not the first time the u.s. is going around the congress. and there seems to be a reason that they are doing. so this is what is called foreign military sales. we are not giving the stuff to israel, we are selling it to them. it speaks to the same level of concern that we saw over in the u.s. assistance to israel, which has been repeatedly held up in congress, there have been political concerns about providing weaponry to israel at a time when so many civilians are being killed and whether u.s. weaponry could actually be implicated in the killing of palestinian civilians. there has been many in congress calling for conditioning some of the aid to israel or not providing additional military assistance to israel to be used in this war. the biden administration appears to be making sure that it doesn't have to deal with the potential risk that

congress would actually intervene and block the sale of this weaponry which israel says it needs to be able to continue to fight in the gaza strip. it comes as there is a lot more scrutiny internationally on the way israel is conducting itself in this war, with south africa's government announcing that it is opening a case against israel at the international court of justice alleging that israel is committing genocide against the palestinians. the south africans are asking the court to intervene to stop israel from continuing to conduct attacks in the gaza strip. the israelis say that that is baseless, they say it is a blood liable to use that word to describe their operation in the gaza strip. clearly it speaks to the level of growing concern internationally about the way this war is being conducted that may be playing into the sense of urgency that the u.s. has in going around congress and providing this 150 million-dollar sale of weaponry to the israeli government.

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giving you a live look at the presidential contender, nikki haley. she is in coralville, iowa.

she is certainly full in campaign mode but also still in damage control mode of what comments this week at a new hampshire town hall that overlooked the role of slavery in the civil war. take a listen. >> what was the cause of the united states civil war? >> well, don't come with an easy question. right? i think the cause of the civil war was basically how government was going to run. the freedoms, in what people could and couldn't do. what do you think the cause of the civil war was? >> thank you. in the year 2023 it is astonishing to me that you could answer that question without mentioning the word slavery. >> of course the civil war was about slavery. we know that. that is unquestioned, always the case, we know the civil war was about slavery. but it was also more than that. it was about the freedoms of every individual.

>> joining me now is reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network and host of msnbc's politicsnation. an msnbc political analyst, white house correspondent for the new york times and co-author of the divider, trump in the white house 2017 to 2021, peter baker. two of my favorites. welcome to you both. brad, give me your take on what happened here? from the comment that wasn't to the explanation for omitting slavery as the cause of the civil war, but it seemed like an obvious answer, and easy layup. why not just say it? >> she didn't say it -- she's clearly playing [inaudible] that donald trump helped to bring out. i don't think she created it. she is giving at energy and in many ways has -- they want to rewrite american history and act as though certain things didn't happen.

the reason this is so contentious is that you must remember, at the same time, we have a conservative supreme court ruling affirmative action. you have government desantis -- banning black history month. in the context of those that want to rollback the question of racial equity in this country. i think it was deliberate, i think it was her intent. i think that someone in new hampshire called her out on it, i think that was something she didn't see coming and i respect him for standing up and saying that. >> look, you're saying it was deliberate. i mean, clearly she knows the cause of the civil war. so you are saying that, i will use the word -- was she pandering to the trump voter? >> i think she was. i think she was pandering at best land she was trying to not offend him.

but she was pandering and saying, i'm all right with this. if someone were to talk about what happened with the election in south africa in 94, and not mention apartheid, it would be insulting. if someone asked me about the not see germany and i don't mention the holocaust, it is insulting. how can you talk about the end of slavery and not mentioned slavery or the civil war, and not mentioned slavery without offending those of us that are the descendants of slaves and those that -- the inequality that is it was still within this country? >> i will leave that one rhetorical. nikki haley has been surging, of, course in the polls recently. what are the political implications of this? mike one moment like this turn her trajectory around? >> surely, in the old days, if a candidate flipped this kind of question would be heard enormously by it. but we're in a different era, it's hard to know for sure. but it does challenge the

coalition she has been trying to build. it is a coalition of more moderate, conventional, mainstream republicans who are sick of donald trump don't think donald trump can win again or shouldn't win again. those republicans and independents who have gone to -- where there is not a bar against independent voting in a primary are going to be the ones who are most disturbed by this. that is the damage she has done to her campaign. we will see whether she convicts it but by trying to keep on the good side of people of the trumpian base, she may have offended these people that she wanted to attract to the candidacy. >> meanwhile, you have donald trump who really seems to have lost the christmaspirit this holiday season. you know one christmas day he addressed president biden, special counsel jack smith, and his political adversaries with this charming post on truth social that red, may they rot in hell. the next day he posted a word

cloud that showcase the phrases revenge, power, and dictatorship, among others. rev, what do you make of all of this? >> i think donald trump is more rattled about the 91 felonies he is facing, the four cases, and civil suit. i think that he is showing publicly now that he is becoming even more unhinged, even though many of us didn't think it was possible. how do you randomly just do all of that? unless there is some deep-seated middle of the night anxiety -- that he has concerns. i think when you see him talk about power and dictatorship all in one, he is trying to continue to send the signal, give me the power and i am going to use that power to try

to -- how we deal with the judicial process. so even in this -- [inaudible] he is also projecting how he wants to proceed if he is put back in the white house. and that is with revenge, which is anti-democratic. >> reporter: peter, you spent time with donald trump when you are interviewing him for your book. i'm not gonna ask you to get inside your head, but from your interaction with, him what message is he sending with this post? is he getting more extreme? and could it be to the revs point, because of all the legal pressure? >> well, he does feel pressure. that is absolutely of course the case. he clearly feels grievance and victimization. this is of course part and parcel of his political strategy going back now seven, eight years, as he first began running for the presidency, appealing to victimization, appealing to feelings of anger and popular discontent.

he is trying to turn his own narrative into this larger message in retribution, i will be a retribution, he said when he began running this time. he's not leading away from. it other presidential candidates don't tend to emphasize kishida's like retribution and revenge, must lead dictatorship. he's leaning into it because he thinks that it is a successful message for his base. he would not do it if he didn't think it was going to be a message -- the polls suggest that it is. they haven't turned away from him because of that. they don't take it seriously when he says dictatorship. they think it is a joke and that he's trying to own the libs or whatever. but he's telling us clearly what he wants to use a second term for. and he is back to get revenge against those who have gone against him, including people who used to work for him. >> it's something you could say that is declarative policy. some of donald trump's closest allies are providing insight

into what a second term might look like and it's alarming. take a listen. >> my three-week reign of terror, as trump acting attorney general before i get chased out of town with my trump pardon, i will rain held on washington veasey. we talked about this but i have five lists ready to go and they are growing. miss number one, we are going to fire a lot of people in the executive branch of the deep state. we're going to indict joe biden and hunter biden and jim biden, and then every other scam, balls sleaze ball biden. i recommend a lot of pardons. every january 6th defendant will get a pardon. >> we will go out and find the conspirators, not just in government but in the media, yes, we are going to come after the people of the media who lied about american citizens, who helped joe biden right presidential elections. we're coming after you. >> peter, your most recent argue -- about how a trump digs tater ship is charging the american

-- how sobering are these comments? this is exactly what you are writing about. can i highlight one sentence that had my jaw drop when i read it in this article? it goes, last december, shortly after opening his comeback campaign, mr. trump called for termination of the constitution to remove mr. biden immediately and reinstall himself in the white house without waiting for another election. stunning. >> these are his words. these are not democratic talking points, these are not accusations by his opponent on what he would do, these are donald trump's own talking points, this is him and his people telling the public what they plan to do with power if they are return to power. they think it's an appealing message to his supporters. it is not the kind of message you normally hear from presidential candidates. you don't normally hear presidential candidates or his people talk about how they want to take power back so they can indict and through other enemies in prison. it's not new for trump. remember, in 2016, he relished

the crowds that teared, lock her up! lock her up! about hillary clinton. he is definitely taking on an intense focus this time around. you are hearing them more and more talk about the notion of termination of the constitution, to give an example. the idea that they do not believe in the constraints on the presidency that have traditionally found other occupants in that office, he is back in the white house, he's telling us exactly what he wants to do >> peter baker, thank you so much. rev, i apologize not coming back to you with another question. we're out of time. but you are coming back shortly to be on air on msnbc. for all of you, something special, on sunday at five pm eastern, tune in for the 13th annual revenue awards. they are so great. it's a politicsnation special where rev al and his panel celebrate the best and worst of politics in 2023 and they give awards to those who deserve it for better or for worse. it's always a fun tune in. thank you gentlemen.

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electioneer facing some domestic and foreign policy headwinds. with his job disapproval at 56% in the real clear politics average. the man who correctly predicted that no red wave in 2022, now says in a new column, president biden's chances are much stronger than people realize for 2024. joining me, now the author of that msnbc.com column. simon rosenberg, a democratic strategist and substack author. simon, welcome to you. so looking at this, you cite three reasons for your assessment. the first one involves president biden keeping what you call his central promise in 2020. what is that? >> well, in the 2020 campaign his central promise was to get

us to the other side of covid successfully. and i think he has fulfilled that promise. you look at the economy today, it's the strongest recovery of any g7 country, the best job market since the 1960s, you, know the stock market is breaking records. the deficit is down from one who came into office. i think it's clear as day when you look at where the country is now that joe biden is a good president. the country is better off, the democratic party is winning elections all over the country. look, we entered 2024 in really good shape. it leaves me very optimistic about what we can do next year. >> that's good to. here let's get to the second reason. it is, this the strength of the presidents record is only matched by his party. you just touched on that. it's not widely understood how strong the democratic party is right now. you write that. explain the factors driving that strength. >> look, we had really good elections in 2020. once the country understood that trump had become mega i

think there was some belief in the 2016 that he would be a country club republican businessman. once we understood how extreme he was, democrats in 2018 in 2020 -- what was supposed to happen is that the party in power usually loses seats in midterm elections. that's what happens going back decades in america. the exact opposite has happened. we actually gained ground in most of the major battleground states in 2022 and arizona, colorado, georgia, minnesota, michigan, new hampshire, pennsylvania. those strong performances that we saw throughout the country in 2022 have carried on into 2023. we just won elections all over the country. we took away a six-week abortion ban in ohio, we won two of the largest republican cities in the country, colorado springs in jacksonville. we had a remarkable year. so when voters have had to vote, not answer polls, but when they actually, both democrats keep defying history, winning elections that the republicans continue to struggle in. to me this is the most

important electoral data that we have today. it's far more important to me than polling. that will help us understand where we are as we enter 2024. >> let's get to the third reason donald trump -- two things have happened to trump since 2020 that bode well for biden. what are they? >> well, it is very important to recognize that this election is nothing like 2020. the republican brand, two major things have happened since 2020 that is going to make it far harder for them to win. they have been instrumental in our election victories over the last several years. that is the ending of roe. stripping away fundamental rights of more than half the population. and then, the attempt to overturn the election in 2020 and and american democracy. those two things have been front and center in our politics in the last couple of years. and republicans have really struggled with these new realities that are weighing down their brand. so i think any comparisons 2016 or 2020 is invalid. this is a new election.

every election is unique. it's never like any other election. the republicans have these two enormous anchors dragging them down as they entered to 2024. it's not just me saying. it's what we've seen in elections since the spring of 2022. >> given all of that, though, i know you don't necessarily rely on the polls at this point. how do you perceive his standing? trump i'm talking about? he's ahead of biden in some of the recent polls. that includes a number of key swing states. do you think those are just outliers? >> no, i think it is 11 months. out the republicans have a primary, we don't really have a primary. we have not started, i mean, polls cannot predict the future. , they cannot tell you what's going to happen tomorrow but alone what is going to happen 11 months from now. part of the reason i got 2022 right was that i did not center my analysis around polling. i looked at a lot of other data, some of the stuff we were discussing today. i feel really good about where we are.

i think we're gonna have a good year next year. i think we will win the presidency, we will fall to the house. i think the senate will be a battle to the final day to be decided by one. seat but i think democrats should feel good about where we're ending 2023. we should be optimistic. we have a lot of work to do, no doubt, this is going to -- trump is a formidable candidate and we are going to have to beat. him but what is important is we have the opportunity in 2020 for not just to win an election, but if we can win this one big we can win it by five, six, seven points, we can really weaken the hold of mega on the republican party which is going to be good for everybody. democrats and republicans alike. >> simon rosenberg, this was a great conversation. i want to thank you for. that i tend to be an optimist but i like to think in this case but you are being it's a realist. so that would be great. thank you so much. >> i hope so,. alex >> i think you are. so what if someone could tell you when holiday traffic will be at it's absolute worst today? we have that information. it is next. we have that information it is next it is next por más de 100 años,

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travel is hitting record numbers this weekend, surpassing pandemic levels. the tsa as averaging 2.6 million passengers daily over the last few days. that is nearly half 1 million more than in 2017. the misery map right now, it's the nation -- mostly green without delays. how does it pan out before 2024? for the answers we go to nbc's blaine alexander who has them for us. you are at atlanta airport, my, friend how are things looking? they're what can travelers expect just two days after kicking off the new year? >> alex, i've learned that what travelers can expect really depends on what time they get to the. airport what you see here behind me, atlanta hartsfield jackson, the world's busiest airport, it's like night a day from what we saw earlier. of course, earlier saw lines like that one, lawn lines stretched out where i'm standing. now things are moving smoothly, but again, this is one of the

busiest days of the year. and certainly it mirrors what we're seeing around the country. take a look. >> from the streets to the skies, millions of americans are taking off on one of the busiest travel days of the year. the tsa is expecting some 2.5 million air travelers on monday. new year's day. that is higher than last year. it is why, in city after city, passengers are staring down long lines like this one at orlando airport. as more brace for increased delays and cancellations. >> it is. busy plan extra. time i, mean you just have to. it is the world we live in today. >> more than 48,000 flights are set to take off today, some airlines are already reporting hours long delays. at miami international airport, the holiday rush shattered and nearly century old record. marking the highest number of daily travelers ever this year. six of its ten busiest days all coming in the last two weeks. but the high volume mixing with

bad weather in short staffing in air traffic control towers has left some airlines asking for help in preventing delays. in a letter to the faa, the department of transportation, airlines for america and the airline industry group representing major carriers like american, united and southwest, rights, continued atc staffing challenges have driven increased delays and cancellations over the holiday period. and, if you think it is crowded in the, air try hitting the road. aaa says nearly 104 million people are driving to their holiday destinations this year. the good news is that gas prices are lower than last year. the national average is around $3.12 a gallon. experts warn that the downward trend could become to stop. >> alex, for people watching and who are preparing to hit the, roads here's something important to, know aaa says that the busiest time today is going to be between five pm and eight pm. so if you