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>> dictatorship, autocracy, revenge. those were just some of the terms included in that word cloud former president donald trump posted to his truth social account this week without comment or context. within hours, journalists connected it to a poll that asked voters what word they associate with trump and a second term. earlier this month, at a fox news town hall, trump declined to say he would not use power to seek retribution. he said, i would not be a dictator except for day one. that wasn't a top whistle. it was a focal. and perhaps the only thing monitoring and the threats is how little some americans seem to care about them. even when his likely 2024

opponent's suggestion or implicitly supporting the idea kill and american democracy been. out in 2020, biden was able to win by casting himself as the alternative to trump. unclear if he'll be able to win a second time on the message that, you know, he's not as bad as the other guy. last month a reuters ipsos poll found 50% of biden supporters described their vote as being against donald trump and his policies. only 38% said they would be voting to support joe biden and his policies. the battle for the soul of the nation, remember, those are the words jackpot used in 2020 to win the campaign. it did work in 2020. but some progressives might not buy it after biden's handling of the humanitarian crisis in gaza. so what is the vision bond iselin to the american people? to quote democratic congressman maxwell frost in a recent interview -- he said, what are the plans for

2025, 26, and beyond? and how does that fit into the future we're fighting for? joining me now, former congressman joe wells and current host of the white flag with joe walsh, -- monahan public scholars fellow and jennifer rubin, msnbc political analyst and opinion writer at the washington post. jennifer, i want to start with. you take a step back again net worth had a long time to reflect on this year and everything and everything we have heard. what do you make of biden's current campaign strategy? >> i think the campaign for biden has barely begun. one of the reasons we have ridiculous poles a year out that don't really mean anything is because the entire attention of the country has been following the one active primary. the republican side. and actually if you look at polling over the last several years, more polling shows him tied or ahead then shows him behind.

but putting that aside for a moment, i think his message is going to be very clear. first of all, he's running on a very strong economy, inflation is down, unemployment is down, growth is up. gas prices are down, there has been a resurgence of manufacturing in the interior of the country. so that is all going in the right direction. secondly, it is very much the case that he is the only thing that will stand between america and a dictatorship. donald trump is telling us what he is all about. and i fully expect, because he's already been signaling, it that the incumbent president is going to set you have a choice. don't compare me to the almighty he says, compare it to the alternative. and in this case the alternative is somewhat promising to be a dictator. and for those of us who don't like everything trump, does that bottom, does like what donald trump has to do, even less. this is a guy who wants to

round up immigrants and deport them. this as a guy who wants to use that military to suppress dissent. this is a guy who wants to remake the federal government and the model of his own shock troops. and of course, this is the governor says he wants to expand whatever that means that muslim ban. as we get into 2024, i think just as they did in 2022, i think the media is taking an unduly gloomy view of that democrats prospects. i think he's at least a 50/50 shot to win. >> okay, christina. given this very clear picture that jennifer has to -- paint it at that, yes. what this campaign is about. and this election as. about which is yes, joe biden is the person at least for now that can sort of prevent us from slipping into a dictatorship. but i still have to ask, is that image and is that message resonating with people of color? is it radiant young people?

jennifer, you are right. we should be very skeptical off the polls. we still have a long way to go. but there's still a trend that also can't be ignored. christina, what do you make of the way this message may hurt may not be resonating with voters of color? >> right, thanks paula. i want to add one piece that general it up beautifully. but i would, and abortion. because donald trump has also promised to punish women. i think that is a rogue democrats have been very successful in reaching of voters. especially and for voters, to make sure that and i think what's at stake. when it comes to voters of color, piddly african american men, have been in the news quite a bit and looked in voters, we do not many orcas planted with joe biden. this purity test he supposed to pass. but i would say, let's not focus on the few african american man who may be disappointed with joe biden. let's focus on that millions upon millions of what americans who consistently vote for donald trump him if it hasn't. so we do know that joe biden

has not been perfect. sure, what president has? i think the articulation of this jennifer light out for joe biden need to be a lot more clear and i think joe biden and that democratic party need to give targets or the local level to talk to african american voters and lieutenant voters and asian american voters who seem to be spent voters in many ways on local levels to really lay out why it is that the economy is doing much better. and even if particular voters may not feel exclusively in their pocketbooks. and i think that disconnect is where we are seeing black and latino voters and asian voters not as neat deep in that democratic party as we have seen in the past. we still have to remember, black women are still 95% voting democratic, men are still 89 or 90% voting. those a few severe just person in the post. i think democrats tend to like to blunt voters of color when they don't get their white. we also have to recognize it millions upon millions of white women and white men who tend to

for the republican party and against their own civil liberties and freedoms. >> many will vote for donald trump, even considering the fact joe, that he literally just posted that word dictator and that red cloud we saw last week. what's your reaction to that? instead of dozens and himself from this image, trump goes there. >> absolutely right. look, trump is gonna lean into this. donald trump believes, i think he believes this. and i think his advisors believe that really promising to be an authoritarian, to be a dictator, it is going to help him. when i think he believes that will help him with people beyond just his base. and man, our democracy is on the slide. it really is. and i hope and pray that that's the message and the tone that

president biden takes. this is not going to be a normal election. democracy is on that line. trump's going to make it easy. because he's not going to hide run from it. he believes america at once a dictator. and that's kind of the scary thing. what scares me more than trump 's, i think there are a lot of americans that publicly or privately want an authoritarian. and biden's just got to go at that hard. >> joe, you said something, which is this idea that, let's also listen to what the american people are saying. jennifer, you recently wrote about. thismake note of this. use it in your recent op-ed, you said, there is another element, the analysis do not fully acknowledge. voters. we get that government we want and deserve. jennifer, can you expand on that? because i think it ties very

neatly to what chuck is saying. which is, yes, let's look at trump but let's really analyze what the american people are telling us. >> we can blame the politicians. we can blame fox news. we can blame all sorts of things. but when it comes down to the republican party, tens of millions of americans know exactly what donald trump s know exactly what donald trump stands for. they saw him for four years and he keeps telling them. so there is no hiding from it. if they nevertheless embrace that, this is on them. they are choosing a dictatorship. they are choosing to check out of a pluralistic democracy. and i think we need to come face to face with the fact it's not been done to us. it's being done by us. we have always had these trends in american politics. but never, i think, have they been so connected, so animated. and frankly so plentiful. and what donald trump has done

is he's taken a racist nationalist, christian nationalism and he's supercharged it. that is what we are up against. and i would say. this in addition to abortion, there are issues that, in particular, vice president kamala harris keeps stressing. that i think are absolutely vital to getting young people engaged. one's abortion, and she's absolutely right. she talks about it as a means of freedom. the other is like an issue. this is an issue that resonates strongly with young people who've grown up on that school shootings, grown up with should drills their entire lives. and donald trump is the guy who wants to make it easy to get guns and hard to get books. it's that simple. and i think these simple phrases that donald trump has used need to be undone by equally simple but truthful and persuasive messaging from the biden campaign. >> christina, you have of course, trump, who isn't scared

to say things, who isn't serotonin protests. then you have nikki haley, who's scared and won't mention a word like slavery. she failed to mention slavery led to the civil war. what was your reaction to that? >> not surprising, but paola -- >> i knew you were gonna say this, i had to ask you. >> we all know nikki haley, i think she's heaven her 15 minutes of fame. i think she will ultimately fizzle out. because fortunate fibers labeled. and she's not boat. for someone who represented a state's over one quarter african american and she dealt with a confederate like issues on several different levels when she was governor, for her to go to new hampshire and mealymouthed, to try and step aside, say it's about the government and economics, not even economics, she didn't go that far. so it just lets us know that that republicans have other shallow bench. and all of them are so afraid of donald trump they, they're

on stage -- the progress as why? they're not even really run for the presidency. they're running just to stay in his good gracious, possibly get a job when inevitably he becomes the nominee. so i'm not surprised but those types of comments. i think it just lets us know help for that party has won. they're not only just revisionist, they're trying to deny the true reality of what this country has been founded on. and sadly it's not surprising. but in soon to be 2024, to have a republican candidate for the presidency not even be able to set those words, as jennifer said, they want to ban books. if you've been books, we don't get that real history of what this country has always been. predicated on, black racism, since its definition. >> joe, i'm running out of time. but i have to ask you. as a former republican, is nikki haley a motion strategic? >> i would only quibble with this.

i think this last week told us a lot less about nikki haley and a lot more about where republican voters are. because think about it. what did nikki haley do? she was afraid to tell republican voters that truth. slavery. that means she thinks republican voters don't want to hear that word. and she's right. that's, again, the scary thing. this tells us more about the voters. >> with that, please stick around. we have a lot more to talk about. coming up, can james comer's latest wild goose chase related to the biden family?

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this follows hundreds reportedly offering to testify in a public hearing on capitol hill, defying a congressional subpoena that called him to testify behind closed doors. ands a for oversight chairman james comer after an entire year of wild goose chases. as philippe bump writes for the washington post, qunstead of using his majority methodically flesh of the existing allegations against the president, comer and his republican allies found selves offering up baseless or debunked allegations to a conservative media revenues for them. my panel is back with me. jennifer, i'm going to start with you. what is left for james comer's credibility? i, maine will he have any lift for 2024? >> listen, in summer and the date bells of the maga movement, i suppose he's popular. but even they, or he's come under a lot of criticism. because i keep saying, where is that? meet where are the goods?

you haven't shown us the information we need. there were quite upset with him, actually. so he's not doing so well. and we cannot ignore the irony that jim jordan, whose picture was just on the screen, of course, ignored the subpoena from the january 6th committee for nearly a year. so the notion that a president or administration might be held responsible for ignoring a subpoena, and this case, from a committee that has zero jurisdiction over the private, personal, legal issues of a president's son is really beyond irony. so james comer is flailing around and i have to think that people cape expecting him to pull a rabbit out of a head, they're going to be deeply disappointed when there's none there. >> jennifer laid it out perfectly. whereas the, that's the question. still, there is no answer to the question. you still see that gop pushing to get any and all forms of

communication between biden and hunter of lawyers. what do you make of that? what's the strategy behind that, given that nothing seems to be sticking? >> this is all about revenge for donald trump. this is what republicans will lose the house next year. and deserve to lose the house next year. they promised us that if they got control of the house that we're going to investigate every democrat that we're going to investigate and they were going to try to impeach donald trump. this is all about and it's been this way from the very beginning, retribution for how that republican base believes donald trump was treated. and it doesn't matter that there is no evidence, i mean effects, there are no justification. this is to make donald trump smile and the base smile. there is nothing there. >> christina, comer has spent an entire year hyping up all

these -- that turned out to be absolutely nothing. but let's take a step back. let's compare where democrats were in 2019. by this, point democrats had called major witnesses for. they hit witnesses like alexander mad men, ivanovich -- if we take a second to compare these two strategies, how do you paint a picture of voters as they're trying to make sense of these impeachment inquiries? >> we have to remember, every accusation by republicans is a confession of something they've already done. going after hunter biden, but a very cautious in doing that. where were ivanka and jared and they're hundreds of millions of dollars they received while they were working for donald trump during the presidency? but we do not democrats or bring these charges into legislative body. it does take time away from legislation, but their injuries were about the future of american democracy. and the safety of our democratic republic. there were severe concerns

about some of the financial connections of the president and his family and people in his administration. they critically needed to investigate in order to move for. this is very different from republicans promising to impeach joe biden if i ever had the power to do so. when they were asked before they had power. what are you going to impeach him for? don't worry about it, we'll get there when we get there, but we're going to do. it's a part of it goes to joe's previous point from the last segment. this is what they're promising their voters. so many of their voters aren't interested in legislation. we know margaret taylor greene, lauren boebert, matt gaetz, they're not interested in the process of putting forth legislation. it's theater. it's for the audience of one, donald trump, or the audience of their primary voters, to sit or stick it to the democrats. that's the antithesis of what congress is supposed to do but we know republicans aren't interested --

and something a little election that will help millions of americans. >> it's interesting. as chris and it's, is they are performing, it's a sort of dramatic performance, but then simultaneously there is this need for secrecy. right? pushing this idea the biden administration isn't being transparent. and we have hunter biden who wants to be public about. so once again, what is the strategy behind the secrecy of hunter biden testifying? >> there is no -- intent was brilliant, because hunter called your bluff a couple weeks ago. look, there is no strategy here. and i've said this now for a few years. it pains me to say. this many people have said this. my former political party, the republican party, is really no longer a party. it is a cult. this is all performance. for their cult leader. to please their total leader. there is no reason, no

rationale, no justification to move toward impeachment of joe biden. but this is all done to please their cult leader. i just, i just, i don't think america has wrapped their arms around the fact that one of our two major political parties is radicalized authoritarian embracing coat. that's scary stuff. >> jennifer rubin, think you. joe and michelle, we'll see you later in this hour. next, the biden administration response to a controversial texas law, making illegally crossing the border a state crime. stay with us. h us

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state if he moves forward with a controversial new portal security law known as sb 4. in a letter, that the ig official called the law unconstitutional and one that will disrupt the federal government and immigration enforcement operations. unclear the law, set to take effect in early march, illegally crossing the mexico border would be a state crime. and texas law enforcement officials would be allowed to stop, arrest, and -- migrants suspected of doing. so judges would also be empowered to order their removal. in other words, local state officials could suddenly act as control agents, latent to racial profiling. and lawsuits -- said the bill deprive people of the federal rights and to process that congress provided to them. including that right to contest removal and state asylum. texas has until generate threat to respond to the department of justice. and a spokesperson for abbott has already promised to take

this case all the way to the u.s. supreme court if needed. join me now, immigration activist -- founder of dream big nevada, and organization dedicated to providing aid to nevada's immigrant families. thanks for coming, i appreciate it. when i hear -- i automatically think about -- what happened there, the history there. i'm wondering what dangerous you foresee and what comes to your mind as you think about this bill. >> this is exactly what i think all of us think about. these past errors that have already been done in different states and different levels of government. we are all that does is bring throughout your families. what it does is bring misinformation. there is the amount of people being afraid to do normal things, grocery shopping, pick up a family member. hamas times has text not said these different bills that are gonna hurt families and at the end of the day what we need is

for an actual solution. what we need is for a state like texas to come to the actual table and come up with a solution, not these continued piecemeal approaches -- >> you mentioned solutions. i feel like we always talk about. this what does a humane, just, affective, immigration system look like? and i ask you this because it's not just immigration activism -- activists that have expressed concern with sb 4. it's also sheriffs along the border saying it. if this law and when this law is enacted, it will completely of when the jail systems, of a lump that local reserve has. i want to ask you directly. what does a humane approach look like to this crisis? >> i think i think we have to remember, what these types of, bills it's these types of talk of saying, well, we're going to get these families, these

criminals, these people. when actually, that's not being targeted. you are targeting grandma's. your targeting grandpas. you are targeting people who have never committed a crime in their entire lives. you are targeting people that our, who would be -- and unfortunately, what ends up happening in this is that our communities continuously over and over criminalize. and okay. let's put it on the table. let's talk about how it really -- these are just policies that will be made to talk to get attention. because when the solutions are there, the solutions we only, we have been trying to get in for over 40 years. that lost time there was any actual immigration reform was in the 80s, before you and i were born. our families, what we need as a solution. and now continue to take these videos, pictures of people at the border. at some point, it was a little girl at a border. and now i'm 45 years old. we have to come up with what's going to be a solution. and that bottom line is, we can't do it state-by-state.

we need to work on this federally. we need to get congress to act. every single generation of new children coming, that are growing up as americans, as i have, we are going to continue fighting. this >> let me ask you. how many years have you've been living in limbo? >> since 1992. >> and how many years have you head -- at this? point >> at this point, i've had docket for 11 years. >> i'm asking you this because it's been decades at this point. so you just said you were once that little girl at the u.s. mexico border. i'm wondering if you were to address, let's say, a ten year old migrant that is hated this way. about two or is in the midst of embarking on this journey, towards the united states, about to embark on a very similar journey to what you went on, what would you tell them? >> that they matter.

that they're important. that no matter what, we are told we're not from the [inaudible] and we're also told the same thing [inaudible] and they're not afraid to tilt about how they were able to cross the border. it's not about what they've done. it's not about the actual act

of come to the united states. it's about what they've been able to do with that. what people like i have been able to do. what people let your family have been able to do. all these families that have contributed to the united states and network a generation. and at a certain, point unlike this bill that would point out any person and say this person's not from here, who are way to say who's from here and who's not? >> and i want to point out, you are talking to me from nevada, obviously nevada is a critical battleground state and this election. even though you can't foot, right? i know a lot of dreamers count vote. you always have been an important part of the democratic machine. right? and so, i'm curious about what you're hearing on the ground in nevada in terms of president biden's reelection campaign, as we think about 2024. how are people feeling? how's your community feeling? what's sort of the vibe, for lack of a better word, and nevada right? now >> yes, the vibe.

i will say it's very difficult. we are in a place were unfortunately there's a lot of misinformation. that misinformation, as serious as it, is has been able to penetrate a lot of our community members and pit community members against immigrants. that's the saddest thing i've seen, at least, throughout the years i've been doing policy. we have not gotten to a point where because nothing has been done for so many years, we are now the ones able to say these terrible things about people that are at the border. it just comes down to the policy not being done. and i see a lot of my fellow immigrants that say we need to take care of us first. and while i agree, we need to take care of anybody at this point, it comes down to that policy. for me, it's really important that not only are we active but also that we stay true to what our values are. that we stay true to what it was that brought our parents to

this country. what was it that we came for? and a lot of families, ultimately, it's the american dream. i know a lot of people scoff and say no one has the american dream at this point. but for me it's being able to see my nephew now be an american citizen, born in this country, and kids like camps that are going to grow up. >> cross. thanks for joining us tonight, keep it up. >> next, our worst of the year matchup. former house speaker kevin mccarthy current house speaker mike johnson. woman: cancer doesn't care how old you are, and it's devastatingly scary. if you're donating to st. jude, you're supporting finding a cure, because the fight never stops. narrator: every gift counts, and whatever you can give will make a difference for children like gideon. make your donation today to help st. jude save lives.

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and other extremist republicans to finally become house speaker after 15 rounds of voting. just nine months later, that same fringe faction of his party voted him out, making his tenure the shortest in more than 140 years. then, two months after that, he officially resigned from congress, abandoning his constituents and giving his gop colleagues the parting gift o shrinking they're already slim majority. okay. and then, there's mccarthy successor. house speaker mike johnson, whose nickname, of course, maga mike for a reason, for many reasons. there are his ties to religious exemts, his anti lgbtq beef his election denialism and his support of the impeachment inquiry into biden. most recently, he promised to blur the faces of the capitol riders from january 6th footage before releasing it to the footage so they don't face charges. that's what he's worried about. >> all right, joe walsh and christina greer, you are both with me. joe, you go first. who is your pick?

>> the biggest loser of those two would be mccarthy. because, you are right, he sold his soul. to become speaker. and i served with mccarthy. all he wanted in life wisdom become speaker and then nine months later he lost it. johnson is more dangerous. >> okay, christina? >> i would say johnson by a landslide. -- mccarthy's feckless, so are the vast majority of almost all republicans in congress right now. they really -- low with the wind. you can't trust them in any way to stick by their word. johnson is a true believer. and, as you laid out with his anti lgbtq beliefs, regions and alliances with so many right-wing, extremist groups that are so anti -- i mean, just anti-civil liberties, anti-civil freedoms. it is frightening what he truly believes, unlike donald trump, who really doesn't care about half the things that he spouts, johnson has been indoctrinated.

he wants to indoctrinate others. so, i find him to, be as joe walsh, said, incredibly dangerous, because he actually has a very clear vision of what he thinks america should look like. and i think he is willing to try and finagle his beliefs into every corner and crevice of the legislature when he can. >> joe, going back to mccarthy, what do you think his legacy will be? >> that's such a great question. i actually don't think he will have a legacy. because he did not stand for a damn thing. in the history books, he will be the first speaker to get bounced like this. but there will be no legacy. remember, he and paul ryan and eric kanter, they were the young guns. they were the future of the republican party. they pretty much all sold their soul. and mccarthy, because he never stood for anything, i don't think he will have a legacy. >> okay. there's a very harsh words. i'm not surprised.

>> christina, going back to mike johnson, let's go back to 2019. this was when trump was being impeached by the house. remember, that mike johnson said that a single parting impeachment is exactly what the founding fathers warned against. now he's seeing a completely different tune when he's it's coming to impeaching president biden. what do you make of this? >> there is no -- with the republican party, and we know they consistently move the goalposts. we know that when we think about january 6th and the insurrectionists, we can only imagine if these were people of color, if they were -- identified as democrats, if they were wearing joe biden t-shirt as opposed to trump t-shirts and. -- swastikas in the whole life like, we have republicans lining up behind them. so the, fact that we have a speaker who is willing to aid and abet that type of behavior and ideology lets us know where he is. he lets us know where his party is. it lets us know where his voters are.

and that's why i think that he is much more dangerous than kevin mccarthy. we do also have to remember how kevin mccarthy even got the job, during the multiple rounds of voting that the world witnessed, where his republican colleagues didn't really want him anyway. >> yeah, it was pretty bad. >> yeah, you lose them how you get them. and that's essentially what happened. >> i will say this -- i will add this. mccarthy and johnson, and all of this chaos is what will pretty much deliver the house to the democrats in the next year. so, they have done the democrats a huge favor. >> okay. joe and christina, please don't go anywhere. stick around. next, we'll run fruit through the biggest political cultural moments of 2023. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere.

okay, before we wrap up the year, it's time to look back at some of the top political and cultural moments that helped shape 2023. joe walsh and christina greer are back with their picks.

christina, i'm going to start with you. what is your top political moment of 2023? >> i have many. but i'm going to go with ohio voters voting to codify legal abortion in their state and opening the door for other states to allow a woman her own right to choose. >> okay. that's a pretty hard one to win over. joe, what about you? >> that history making former president made a lot of history in 2023. the first former president to be criminally indicted. and he did it four times. incredible. >> what i can't stop thinking about, and i think it's one of my top moments of 2023, is that mugshot. that mugshot -- >> yeah. >> that definitely was a big moment. christina, one more pick. anything else?

>> i will say, the melee in alabama, i had that on my list. i think that exposed a lot of the racism we've experience in this country for centuries. and i think a lot of white americans had a moment of -- that was very important and powerful for all americans to witness, and it's a powder keg, in some ways. it was an unfortunate incident, in a lot of ways. but it was an educational moment, i think, for a lot of families, about history of the south, the history of america, and the road we still have to travel collectively as a nation. >> all right. joe, we've got one more pick from you. >> and i've got an easy one. two words, and i'm just going to drop it. george santos. that's it. that's it. >> okay. that is good. and a question for all of us, what about elon musk? >> oh my god. you think about that --

the richest man in the world, who is a child, and he happens to run twitter. it's incredible. it's mind-boggling when you think about it. >> we also have one wealthy man who has turned what was really a robust way of communicating, especially about politics and so many other facets of our lives, into basically a old mall and a kiosk and an old jcpenney. it's that what he's done to what was a great educational tool and away for others to communicate across the world. >> one thing to -- as we wrap up the year is, how donald trump's thinking about this year for himself. because one could argue he has had a pretty good year, considering absolutely every single legal challenge that he is facing. and yet, he is where he is. on the other hand, it's been a horrendous year for him. what do you both think about that? >> i think he's -- >> a let christina go. >> go, ahead christina. >> he's got a very busy

january. and several court cases. sadly, we are dealing with sexual assault. with insurrection, we're dealing with financial crimes. so, he's been able to be teflon don for a very long time. and -- a lot of people around donald trump have gone down. and so, chickens come home to roost at some point in time. 2024 just may be -- >> joe? >> trump is humanly incapable of shame, unlike all of us. to him, this is all great, great stuff. he is in the league. he's going to be the nominee. he loves it all. >> it's been a very, very heavy year. so, i just want to ask you both, before we go, what brought you joy? what sort of made you tune out of all of this craziness and all the images and all these discussions we've been having throughout the entire year? christina, what gave you joy? >> i am a bird nerd. so, i've been burning birding birding --

and obviously folks who are birders, they come from all walks of life -- going to be highly controversial. i recently discovered pickleball. and that has brought me great joy. >> okay, i was not expecting either of those responses. joe, what about you. what brought you joy? >> i love dogs. i have two dogs. i wish i had 200 dogs. they keep me alive. i'll say this. the other thing is, what gives me joy is, saying -- because i'm an old guy. seeing young people involved and engaged in politics fires me up. >> all right. well, thank you both so much. i know, obviously, i'm -- you both have been completely crucial to helping millions of americans understanding all these complex political, legal and cultural matters. so, i think you both so much for joining me tonight. and both go have some joy tonight for the end of the year. >> thank you. >> and thank you at home for

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