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to remove trump from their. ballots california says not so fast. why? well, i will as the california secretary of state. this is all happening as republican presidential contenders are gearing up for the first major test. the iowa caucuses and new hampshire primaries, there just a couple of weeks away. who has the most at stake in these early contests? we'll ask our political panel this hour. plus, our culture critics are here to ring in the new year. we are looking at the biggest moments of 2023, and what's in and out in 2024. i am symone sanders-townsend, i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ in just over two weeks, all

eyes will be on iowa. that's when the state republicans will caucus in the first nominating contest of 2024 for the president of the united states. now, these make-or-break races for republican presidential hopefuls, they will be happening against the backdrop of an urgent and unprecedented constitutional question. you are looking at the first seconds of donald trump's presidency. this video he is taking the oath of office, swearing to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states of america. section three of the 14th amendment says that no person who takes this oath shall have engaged in insurrection, or rebellion against the united states government. or have given aid to anyone who did. 1447 days later, the same spot where donald trump swore that oath would be overrun by extremist supporters, weaponizing flags that bore his name. their goal? to violently prevent the peaceful transition of power. it was the definition of an

insurrection. 13 months, the former president wants to stand on that spot and take that oath again. but the section three prohibit donald trump from appearing on primary ballot? the united states constitution gives insurrection or instruction on presidential elections. but it actually makes no mention of how to nominate candidates. that process is up to the states. leaving officials across the country to wrestle with this very crucial and urgent question. most recently in maine, secretary of state shanna bellows, as amended by her state laws, heard objections to donald trump's candidacy for registered voters, then heard counter arguments representatives for donald trump before ultimately deciding that he was disqualified under section three. colorado, republican and unaffiliated voters sued democratic secretary of state, janet griswold, in her official capacity, arguing that donald trump should not appear on the ballot. secretary griswold agreed. but the question went all the

way to the colorado supreme court. which also decided that trump was ineligible to run in their state. now, both of these rulings have been suspended to allow for appeals. but here is what both secretary of state have said about their processes. >> i made a decision because i was obligated to buy the law. and the oath that i talked to the constitution. >> i do believe the colorado supreme court got it right. that trump should be disqualified from the ballot, because of his role in the insurrection. but ultimately, i will follow whatever decision that's in place. >> not every official has agreed with the secretaries of states. including one that might surprise you. california secretary of state shirley webber declined to remove donald trump from the ballot, despite pressure from her own lieutenant governor. and some other california democrats. although not governor newsom. crary weber told the l.a. times, she foundtrp's behavior abhorrent. d anti-democratic. but added, quote, if i believe in this democracy that is there,

i have to basically continue to abide by the rule of law. for me to not do that, i am no better than trump. and i must be better than trump. the united states supreme court is facing extreme pressure to make a final ruling on the donald trump's eligibility that can apply to the nation as a whole. but this is unprecedented constitutional territory, y'all. to reach their ruling, the high court will have to look at what the authors of the insurrection cause we're hoping to achieve. including whether it was intended on to bar confederate leaders from taking office after the civil war. well, there's a little recent analysis from abc's steven portly. portnoy on the 1866 debate of the clause that does seem to answer that question. west virginia republican senator peter van winkel told his colleagues at the time, quote, this is to go into our constitution and to stand to govern future insurrection as well as the present. i should like to have that point definitely understood. well, more than 155 years later,

will soon seen whether our constitution and the people who safeguard it are equipped to hold insurrectionists accountable. do they understand? joining me now is california's secretary of state shirley webber. welcome to you, madam secretary. happy new years eve. i want to start with the pressure that you received from across the board in your state to remove donald trump from the california primary ballot. it wasn't just fellow democrats amongst the state, you lieutenant governor what has been the response since your decision not to remove the former president? >> overall, we've actually received quite a bit of support not to include him. it's been interesting there's some articles in the l.a. times that interview this week, some who have actually been involved in processes we have in california because it was not just my decision. it has to do with much more than that. as a result, we've received

quite a bit of support to say, no, this is not the thing to do. that may be the call for from the lieutenant governor was driven by a political pressure. in terms of her own election to be governor. those kinds of things are factors that factor into some of the decisions that folks have made to call for me to remove. the by and large, folks have been supportive. i'm generally one who tries as much as possible, despite the fact that i am a democrat in vote democrat, and i'm registered as a democrat. to make sure that the laws of california followed. most folks thinks we have liberal laws, not that liberal in the terms of elected officials. the really quite strict. in terms of what the secretary can do, how much authority we have to do what people want to do. and most of our things are driven through the court. we've had some court cases that have been dismissed that did not allow us to remove him from the ballot. >> you know, you told the l.a. times, secretary weber, that you believe that donald trump's behavior was abhorrent. and disturbing and an attack on

democracy. do you believe that donald trump incited or aided an insurrection on january 6th? >> yes. i believe that. but my belief is not based on law, nor is it based on fact. other than what i saw and every also. it was unfortunate that, in all of the discussions that have been held, we have yet to actually hold him accountable for the insurrection that occurred. we held a lot of people accountable, and we've actually basically incarcerated some individuals that have been found guilty of it, quite a few. yet, no one in the senate, or even the congress, has actually brought forth the idea that he was basically the leader of the insurrections. in my belief, he should've been impeached. at that time. of course, we run against all kinds of deadlines and dates and so forth and so on. but we have avoided, i think, at the federal level, the responsibility of looking at what took place. anyone who saw the insurrection on january 6th knows that it

was an attack on the government. anyone who doesn't believe trump had a role in it has not been responsive in terms of looking at the things that need to be there. the issue of the constitution and whether or not it applies to state by state, or the whole federal discussion has to be addressed. because of the fact that you can have one or two states that are implementing federal law in one or two that are not. most of us are hopeful that the supreme court will rule in terms of the issue of colorado. california has a totally different process. we'd have to have a hearing. we'd have to have, and we've had some cases that came forward. they've not been strong cases. they've been strong enough, they've all been thrown out. so, we haven't had a case that really allowed us to really have this conversation. and allow our judges to rule on this particular issue. and give us instruction as they did in colorado. even the hearing that took place in maine was not done by an individual, it was done through a process. california doesn't have a process. >> california does not have a

process. i think it's very important. if we look at, what we have on the screen right now, governor gavin newsom, who opposed the efforts to remove donald trump from the ballot, what is the law on california's, this the california constitution it prohibits anyone who advocates for overthrowing the government from the country from holding elected office. but in california. the question, i wonder. okay, do you think then that the state legislature should act to expand that particular provision? to ensure that that applies to all candidates and ballots as well including for national office? >> we'd have to ask, and i think that a discussion that has to be held. because you say one of the problems we face is that, who is an insurrectionist? maybe i've heard folks say that black lives matter people should never hold office because they have engaged in some kind of activity, some violent activity, or some discussion of making the

government be responsive to their needs. that's the real challenge we face. finding out what action would be the standards to be used. who should use those standards, and how should they be applied? because i've had folks concerned that it would actually be open up the floodgates for anyone who's actually been an activist. who's raised issues, protested against the government, who may have had some violent activity that occurred that all of those individuals would be eligible to be taken off of any ballot in any primary or any general election. so, it's an important discussion that has to be held. it could be held in california, but the bottom line, we've got these folks now, take a distance from court. we've consistently asked them to answer some critical questions. is donald trump immune to prosecution? i mean, that's an extremely important question. for a democracy. does this law apply in terms of insurrection to every election, and one of the standards to be implemented? in the process to be used?

i mean, this is very, very important. i think we, as a nation, have avoided this kind of conversation. because of the fact that we haven't had this level of engagement on the part of a former president try to overthrow the government. in terms of their own election. so, i'm optimistic that the supreme court on january 4th will actually take this up. we're waiting to see what happens, and without, we're gonna have some states that have him on the ballot, and some that don't. and then what will happen, will have chaos, because people will argue that it was rigged against him again. so forth and so on. and those kinds of things. we really need a national discussion. international decision about this particular amendment in the constitution. >> i have heard many legal scholar make the argument that you just made, madam secretary, even folks right here on this network i do want to just clarify very quickly, i don't anyone in misconstrue what you may have said. you do not believe the activists who participated in the black lives matter movement

or insurrectionists. >> no. but what i'm concerned about is that those who are on the other side, when you write laws, you can't write them for the person for me as a democrat. you have to make sure that it applies to everyone. no, i don't believe that. but what happens is that many are concerned that folks will use this. they tried to use it against maxine waters. an issue i think in illinois. we have to make sure that we are clear about. it some folks believe anybody who has a negative attitude should not basically run for office. well, i think that would be ridiculous. when we look at the folks who have been in office and protesters john lewis or. whomever that have basically protested against the government with regards to policies and issues. no, i don't believe that it all. i'm saying that's the danger we run into if we don't get clarity about what we need when we talk insurrection. if we don't have folks reeling to actually litigate these matters, and we don't have a statement from our supreme court that's clear. what's the process? who does this? who makes this decision for the

nation? because it's a federal decision. this is a person's gonna represent the united states. it's not the governor of california or the secretary of state of california. this is the nation. in the world is watching. i can tell you that. to see exactly whether or not our supreme court, which is its job is going to rule on this critical matter. and matter that's probably more important than any other decision that they will have had in their time. >> california secretary of state, shirley webber, a refresher your time. thank you so much. >> thank you, symone, appreciate being with you this morning. >> absolutely. coming up next, folks, we just discussed. it different states, different laws. different decisions on whether inciting an insurrection should keep donald j trump off the presidential primary ballot. where is this all this headed in 2024? i've got a legal experts standing by to help us make sense of it all. stick around. stick around

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this is the same question that the supreme court declined to take up on an expedited ruling. but the case is slowly making its way back to the highest court inland. no matter how the appeals court rules, in all likelihood, the losing side will appeal to the supreme court. joining me now is former federal prosecutor, university of michigan law professor and msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade. barbara, can we start with the conversation i just had with secretary weber of california. what did you think of her comments? she really gave a forceful explanation that i've heard a number of legal analyst make here about the fact that the supreme court has to weigh in because this is a national question, a national conversation. and this is, essentially, the supreme court's job. >> yes, i was very impressed with secretary weber and the seriousness with which she is treating this question. she said, i'm a democrat, i can't just do what is politically expedient and

please myself and people who want me to bump donald trump off the ballot. she had to follow the law. and in her state. she does not have the power to unilaterally remove someone. she said there are pending lawsuits. in those cases will work their way through the process. we see a very different process in maine. with the secretary of state does have the obligation to determine whether someone is qualified to be on the ballot when there is that challenge. so, we really have to answer that fundamental question of whether donald trump's board out of the 14th amendment. ultimately, the decision has to be made by the supreme court. one hopes it will be done sooner rather than later, because very soon, these states are going to have to start printing their ballots for the primaries. it would be useful for the supreme court to answer this question once and for all. >> barb, is there a scenario where the supreme court does weigh in, but they do not weigh in on the question. and i'm seeing the capital t h, bold, underline question. is if donald trump is, in fact,

an insurrectionist, he cannot be on the ballot. they could weigh in on, they continue around the engines, correct? they don't it's not a foregone conclusion that they will give us the ultimate answer, or is? >> no, you're right. sometimes courts look for off-ramps. and don't answer the ultimate question here. there are a number of things. one, this issue as to whether the president is a u.s. officer for purposes of the 14th amendment. i think it's clear the answer is yes. but it's a question of some debate. there's also a question as to whether the provision is self executing or there needs to be some sort of enabling legislation passed by congress. or what finding has to be made to determine that someone is or is not engaged in insurrection. there's a lot of procedural questions that the court could decide on without ever quite addressing the insurrectionist question. >> barb, i think a lot of people heard that across america and just grip the table

a little bit. it is a scary thing to hear. the supreme court, it's just not the 14th amendment questions, right? there's also jack smith. i would love if you could weigh in on jack smith is essentially telling the court that, look, they reject this assertion that donald trump is immune. they want the appeals court to have a decision quickly. if they do have a decision, do you think it will be quick? and how long to think before the supreme court takes up this question if donald trump is immune from prosecution for conduct that he did while he was in office. >> yeah, so, jack smith got a setback when the u.s. supreme court declined his request to leapfrog the court of appeals, that intermediate court and decide the case quickly. and said, no, take her time, regarding this in due course. in the meantime, that court of appeals did, i think, get the message about urgency. because they said the oral argument on an expedited basis for january 9th.

so, instead of waiting in the normal course which could take months and months, they're going to decide this case, it appears, relatively quickly. and then i'm sure you're right, whichever side loses in the d.c. circuit court of appeals is going to appeal this to the u.s. supreme court. i hope that they will act quickly. i do think that, in the meantime, we are going to see at least a 60 to 90 day lasts from the trial date of march 4th that was originally set. one of the things that the judge has ruled, judge tanya chutkan in the trial court, well all of these appeals are sorting themselves out, she's entered a stay in the trial courts. all the things that ordinarily would be doing right now pretrial to get the case ready for trial in march, pretrial motions exchange of discovery, setting up questionnaires to prospective jurors, all of that has ground to a halt. not until the supreme court decide the case and says it back will we resume from that pause. that's why i think even if they

decide pretty quickly, it's hard to imagine this case would really go to trial in march. i do think it's realistic to go to trial and say june. it can still beat the election by a fair amount. >> okay, barb, two questions then. first off, why would judge chutkan state her own, why would she's day on the pretrial motions and things that need to happen to get ready for trial we'll be appeals processes happen? wouldn't one think you'd want to be ready whenever the final decision comes down? secondly, it really does feel like that there is significant delays, and not just this january 6th case in the d.c. case in federal court, the case in florida, georgia, 2024, november 2024, they will potentially not be a verdict. i keep going back to the fact that, in georgia specifically, it took ten months to do jury selection for the current racketeering case that happening there. >> yeah, so, first with regards

to why judge tanya chutkan grated that stay so that there is this pause in her case is, she believed, and when she entered the order that she had no choice that she had to do that. when someone raises an issue of immunity, it divests the trial court of jurisdiction. because the defendant who asserts it has the right to be free from all the burdens of litigation until that question is resolved. there's some debate about that. amicus briefs has been filed in the court of appeals, disagreeing with that proposition. so, maybe that gets revisited. probably not because jacks mitt even conceded that point. but you raise another excellent point. delay, delay, delay. this is certainly donald trump's strategy. try to put off all of these trials until after the election. you know, i often said, when i was trying cases, trial dates are made to be broken. the wheels of justice turn slowly, unfortunately. >> all right, barbara mcquade. making it plain on the last day of the year. appreciate your time. >> thank you, happy to.

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officially an election year. the american people have team coverage of for trump free debates. untold numbers of social media posts and callous campaign stops. in 15 days, they'll see where the 2024 republican primary process is headed. next month, republicans in iowa and new hampshire will caucus and cast ballots for the president they think should be the republican presidential nominee in 2024. and then the mad dash for the 1235 delegates, yes folks, delegates, that's what you need to win a nomination. that begins, my political panel joins me now to discuss. maya -- is the former chairwoman of the maryland democratic party. and president and ceo of global policy solutions. matt bartlet is here, a republican strategist. welcome, welcome, welcome to you both. first of all, madam chairwoman, can we just talk about, i mean, you have been through a number of primaries and presidential election seasons. what do you think we're gonna

learn in two weeks in iowa, and a week later in new hampshire? >> well, this is an unprecedented election season. we have not seen anything like this before. certainly, in iowa, we have a president who's barely campaign there, but you know, you're looking at two other candidates who are running neck and neck. nikki haley, in certainly ron desantis. ron desantis has put all in in iowa. so, he is betting the entire race on his performance coming out on top in terms of second place. in iowa. and nikki haley is trailing close behind. i do think that nikki has a strong chance of overtaking desantis. i do think the republican electorate is taking a strong look at her. she seems to be cresting at just the right moment. it will be interesting to see new hampshire, on the other hand, is a different story. certainly, the republicans are duking it out. in terms of president biden not being on the ballot, this is

gonna be interesting with regards to the democratic party. >> yes, i will note, there is a key senate race, very competitive senate race happening in new hampshire. come 2024. joe biden will not be on that ballot in this primary process. because of dnc rules. speaking of new hampshire, matt, we've been talking about. at what point chris christie was polling significantly in new hampshire. he has invested a lot of time there. the governor of new hampshire, governor sununu, has endorsed nikki haley, former governor of south carolina, former u.n. ambassador under trump. and today, this morning, he called on chris christie to resign. resigned, good of the race. resigned his way, drop out. saying that chris christie is only helping donald trump by taking votes away from nikki haley. what is your response to the governor's argument? you know, i actually think we have some sound. let's play the sound if we have it. >> he knows his voters, who want to see trump defeated, are

all coming over to nikki haley. in fact, the only person that wants chris christie to stay in the race is donald trump. think about the irony of that. there is no doubt that if christie stays in the race, the risk is that he takes her margin of the. when i think he's a smart guy, he wants to have a voice in this party. he doesn't want to go forward upsetting all the anti trump people to. he kind of overstayed his welcome put his ego first. i just think he's gonna make the right decision in the end. >> governor sununu does sound like a pundit. matt, your thoughts? >> well, if he's a pundit, he's a great. when he's a very popular governor. in a purple state, new hampshire. his endorsement of nikki haley is working to her advantage. and has given her rocket boosters in new hampshire. when it comes to governor christie, i think a lot of people are saying, if you mean what you say, can't you do it better from the sidelines? what is the pathway, what is the plan? everyone has a plan. when they run for president. sometimes they don't share that play with the voters so. >> i've been. there >> were gonna see what happens.

new hampshire as a way of sorting it all out. and whether or not the governor makes the decision to end his campaign i think like governor sununu just said, i think a lot of his voters are, smart or wise, are gonna naturally make their way over. >> quickly, do you think it is a foregone conclusion that chris christie voters, people who are looking at chris christie, they then go to nikki haley? >> boy, another good point. i've been with all of them, even last week i was up there with chris christie. he was saying, how crazy is polling? a lot of my supporters might go back to trumpify drop out. as crazy the as that sounds. nothing is a given. including a trump victory. we are gonna see what happens in iowa, as you said, and then we're gonna head over to new hampshire where lot of independents that can swing either way, are gonna make their mark. and see who they feel would be the best republican nominee. >> madam chairwoman, there is not a competitive democratic primary happening. joe biden will be the democrat's nominee. however, the general i, mean, i

feel like from the democrats perspective, they're looking towards a general election and i've talked to a number of democrats to do believe that donald trump is going to be the republican nominee. again, the voters still have to decide. how should the biden campaign be strategizing at the top of the year? they don't have a lot of folks on the ground in some of these key battleground states. what should they be doing well the republicans are sorting out the primary process? >> first of all, don't tell dean phillips -- -- [laughter] >> i'm gonna get a call. it's competitive. one of my good friends. >> competitive primary. the fact of the matter is, they should be raising money. they should also be figuring out ways to actually narrow cast two segments of the voting population that they might be losing. we are looking at the possible collapse of certainly the obama coalition. certainly the coalition that got him into office in 2020.

so, they need to be giving serious thought about how you actually reach out and attract voters who, for whatever reason and they're different reasons, are feeling disaffected from the democratic party and certainly from some joe biden as a nominee. >> what do they do about no labels? >> well, i think a lot of negotiating and certainly the maneuvering is happening in the background. i think that any third party ballot candidacy is a concern to the biden campaign. this is a squeak or. if it is donald trump and joe biden and a third party candidate that's viable, we are looking at potentially another scenario like we saw in 2016. >> yes, you get the last word. >> i was gonna say. i was how trump and all the right echo chambers propped up rfk junior as a threat to joe biden. now he's gonna run as an independent? and who could be a threat to? donald trump. >> it remains to be seen.

i think the biden people should still be scared. matt bartlett, -- thank you both. and happy, happy new year. appreciate you. >> i want to turn to ohio now. and governor mike dewine. the governor is drawing the ire of some of his fellow republicans. frankly, doing the right thing. on friday, he vetoed a bill that would have been transgender minors from getting related health care. and restricted transgender girls precipitation in sports. governor dewine's veto prevents ohio from joining 22 states with laws on the books that impact whether or not young people can get the gender affirming care they need and deserve. governor dewine says these are choices that should be made by the government. >> these are gut-wrenching decisions that should be made by parents. and should be informed by teams of doctors who are advising them. these are parents who have watched their child suffer, sometimes for years. and who have real concerns that

their child may not survive to reach adulthood. >> both donald trump and ron desantis slammed the decision, and urge the republican dominated ohio general assembly to overturn the veto. they need a three fifths majority vote to do just that. we'll keep you posted on these developments. coming up next, folks, another republican governor, another veto, but a very different outcome. why a nebraska governor -- is often his state out of a program that would've helped feet roughly 150,000 low income children. don't go away. you're watching symone. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ zero heartburn. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today.

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it's a relatively new pandemic-era federal program. and if the governor had decided to participate this year it would provide nebraska is roughly 150,000 children, who qualified for free and reduced lunches during the school year with under $20 d t benefits. those $120 could be critical critical to the nutrition of those children. according to the cdc, even making sure children have a healthy breakfast can ensure improve cognitive function, particularly memory. according to a 2020 report about 17% of children in nebraska are food insecure. and the group feed america says children who are hungry are more likely to experience developmental, social, and even behavioral problems. now, making sure that children access to meals during summer break is especially important considering that during the summer, but not receiving that usual mail that they wouldn't school. so, understandably, governor palin's decision has been controversial. but bipartisan group of nebraska lawmakers urged him

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in 39 cities around the world. number two is the day, we as a cultural never forget. their group of black people came to the rescue of a black dog worker who was attacked by a group of white voters in montgomery, alabama. the video of the brawl went viral, not just for laughs, but also for representation. finally, and number three, rihanna shocked the nation with her electrifying super bowl performance, revealing her second pregnancy. in a recent interview with access hollywood, re-re-confirmed that her belly reveal is actually unplanned. which i am glad for that clarification. what other moments will go down in the 2023 history books? honorable mention for usher, by the way, and his show. let's ask our culture critics. nationally syndicated radio host for pop crushed nights, donny meacham. and media personality, autumn joy here with me at the table. welcome to you both. okay, both of y'all give us your top three moments in a list. we're gonna put on the screen for folks. i want you to briefly go down

your list and share why each moment made it in your top three, donny, you first. >> well, number, one obviously, taylor swift had her foot on our next all year long. it was nonstop, i'm a masochist. i loved every second of it. between the eras tour, and then she dumped a man, she got a new man, leveled up, i say in my opinion. that was a big hit. the actors and writers strike really reshaped hollywood and people spoke out relic, you know what? we deserve to get paid what is ours. they came up and they did their thing. and then finally, barbie mania. real men wore pink. and everyone was okay with it. the film for women's rights. we all learned life in plastic, truly is fantastic. it shocked everybody. huge fan. >> huge fan. shadow to barbie's marketing team, okay, they need a race. autumn, here's your list. >> yes. >> top moments, tell us why these made for you.

>> okay, for me, it was the diddy and cassie moment. for obvious reasons. we did not know what was going on with the diddy and cassie relationship until cassie came out and it open up the door for other women to come forward. with their truths and we're seeing a lot of redemption, if you will, in these last couple of weeks for 2023. that was a huge moment. didi is such a pillar in our industry. also, like, you beyoncé renaissance. i mean, she had the world in a chokehold and still does with her film. i am fortunately did not go see it, i was pregnant. i had to live -- >> i saw twice for, you i saw twice. >> same, as my friend here with the writer strike. that was going on throughout the summer. and they just finally came to some sort of agreement. not too long ago. it's historic. it's gonna be historic for generations to come. to see those folks stand on business was amazing. and to get the results that they did >> all right, there's also a viral trend going around, ins and outs. you both also have lists for

those. tell us your list, okay? donny? what's your list, what? >> in is, i think people can be dating in real life. now we're post covid. we're getting out there. -- >> donny, why you make a people get off the? apps fine love on the. apps >> no, get rejected, i get i do all the time. i love. a great poet once it's, thank, you next. do. it mocktails are in. i think people are cutting back on alcohol. britney spears, i mean, this is gonna be it for her. this is a year. we're all rooting for her. in radio. people are going back to traditional things. what is out is, i have to say this because swifties, i'm never going to hiding afterwards. we're into swift fatigue. there's a lot of tears with happening. she's a business woman. she smart enough to know, step back. social media, people could be cutting it down. people are tired of overworking. we're not doing it anymore. living for ourselves. and then i think the whole world's over kanye.

he's done. >> i'm not. i love kanye. >> okay. first of, all of, i'm not gonna get you the time to defend your kanye love. i'm just cautioning you to say, but when i walk that back on the internet. >> okay, okay. what's on your engine outs? >> my engine out or interesting. so, for my ins, of course, bigger checks. more chatter, hello, there is that. i want more women living in their softness. i want to realize, it's okay to treat ourselves every now and then. >> i said the other day, i don't want to be a workhorse anymore. i want to be a show pony. >> there we, go pings off in 2024. and living in our truth. whatever your truth is, standing on that and honoring it and being exactly who you are. of course, the weekend. with -- right here. what's out, gun violence. i am so over every single day we're hearing about somebody passing away. or something happening with gun violence. self-doubt.

being more confident. don't tell yourself anymore. go on the 2024 sure about yourself. those smash and grab jobs that are going on of those real retailers. it's annoying, after senate side now in line because they don't wanna budget. people >> are, to d.c. they made you stand outside. smash-and-grab. >> the checks be clear. can we just say crush, on blue, face and jaden. can we leave that drama. can we leave. >> i like to leave it in 2023. bring the baby. can i tell you guys that i quickly did not put a list together. but the thing that i want that is out for 2024, i want people to leave, i want the assistance and the people whose ndas have expired that i wanna come out and come clean and tell the tea that they gathered themselves about 5:10 years ago they are. out i'm done with them. don't tell us, now you fell out. let it go. what's in is the weekend.

donny, autumn, thank you both. i will be whatever happy new year. and i will see you very soon. thank you out there for watching symone on this sunday, you can find us on instagram, the site for me known as twitter, and tiktok. politics nation with the great reverend al sharpton will start right after this break with a 13th annual ravi awards. the rev and his panel are going to celebrate the best in the worst of politics of 2023. and they're gonna give awards to those who deserve. you really do not want to miss the rev, easy. all enjoy, have a very happy and very safe new york. i am giving or find the -- bar? e -- bar?

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